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User:	"Bible John"
Date:	07 Oct 2005 05:28:57 PM
Object:	If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?

Some of you would rather spend all your time talking about me when these
are newsgroups dedicated to christians who want to discuss the bible.
Please rethink your motives before your next post and ask these
questions.
1. Is this post on topic?
2. Will this post hurt or offend someone?
3. And ultimately why am I here?
Perhaps some of you can take better use of your time posting elsewhere.
Thanks.
John
--
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, 蛆 am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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User: "Just Mark - John Wolfs biggest fan"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	07 Oct 2005 08:03:37 PM

"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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: Some of you would rather spend all your time talking about me when these
: are newsgroups dedicated to christians who want to discuss the bible.
:
: Please rethink your motives before your next post and ask these
: questions.
:
: 1. Is this post on topic?
: 2. Will this post hurt or offend someone?
: 3. And ultimately why am I here?
:
: Perhaps some of you can take better use of your time posting elsewhere.
:
: Thanks.
Physician, heal thyself...
JM
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User: "Bible Bob"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	07 Oct 2005 08:27:54 PM

On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 01:03:37 GMT, "Just Mark - John Wolf's biggest
fan" <nunyabidniss@nospam.com> wrote:

JM,
Your point. I should have thought of that one.
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User: "Terrell D Lewis"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	07 Oct 2005 06:13:36 PM

"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black
You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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User: "Terrell D Lewis"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	07 Oct 2005 06:25:16 PM

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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

Oh, and as to why I'm here, I find I learn a lot from people who sincerely
articulate their beliefs whether I agree with them or not, especially if I
disagree with them for I'm forced to re-examine why I dsagree and either
strengthen my belief or change, but, and I should make this clear - people
like you serve only to examine your beliefs and believe the opposite
because, obviously, you are the exact opposite of a Christian.
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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User: "Soul food"
Title: Re: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	08 Oct 2005 02:40:59 AM

"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> added,at "Bible
John":

http://www.heathens.org.uk/r13%20Bagpipes.mp3
------------------------------------------------
"The real dichotomy in today's world is between reason and religion.
The future of civilisation rests upon how many people realise that and do something about it."
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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User: "j w"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	08 Oct 2005 07:11:25 PM

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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

p k Terrell.
You have any number of times accused me of judging YOU. However, you
now take it upon yourself to judge BJ.
Apparently, you believe you are the only one qualified to judge.
Placing yourself on the Judgment Seat.
I wouldn't do that if I were you.
God bless!
john w
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User: "Bible John"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	10 Oct 2005 02:10:02 PM

In article <AiD1f.675$HA.521@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

Until the due time you have no authority over my teachings and presence
here!
John
--
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, 蛆 am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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User: "Last of All"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	10 Oct 2005 03:24:35 PM

"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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In article <AiD1f.675$HA.521@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
"Terrell D Lewis" <composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

Until the due time you have no authority over my teachings and presence
here!

John

Interesting that here you paraphrase a demon:
And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus,
thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
(Mat 8:29)
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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User: "j w"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	08 Oct 2005 07:09:37 PM

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:13:36 GMT, "Terrell D Lewis"
<composer7NOSPAM@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

And, yet, you just accused a person who claims to be a brother. You
refuse to even DISCUSS the Deity of our Lord, which I quite nicely
offered to work through with you-- which you REFUSED to do. You
refused to even DISCUSS the TriUnity, which I quite nicely offered to
work through with you-- which you REFUSED to do.
If there is a wolf among us, Terrell, I'm afraid you're as much /
better a candidate as BJ.
:-)
God bless!
john w
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User: "Last of All"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	08 Oct 2005 08:10:04 PM

"j w @yoh.hah>" <j-w<no> wrote in message
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

The Lord prevents it. For several years until I finally "got it" he
continued to impress upon me: "There will be no pop quiz on doctrine at the
judgment seat." It is the heart that's judged, not checking the right
series of boxes on a test.
--
Terrell
http://lastofall.blogspot.com/
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User: "j w"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	09 Oct 2005 06:23:48 AM

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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

If His True Identity were not an issue, why did He ask the apostles,
"Peter... (and the others), who do men say that I am?"
"Peter, who do YOU say that I am?"
Why then the confrontation with Tom the night of the week after He
rose?
He DELIBERATELY came to Tom in the upper room, and showed Tom His
scars. Then He said to Tom, "Thomas, see my scars? Touch them and
BELIEVE!"
If WHO He was weren't an ISSUE, why did He be so VERY sure that all
the disciples, and all the apostles KNOW He was the risen God in
flesh? (John 1, Col 2, Rev 1-3, Rev 22)
???
We have but 2 choices. They are: He was God in flesh, or He was a
created being.
If you give that CONSIDERABLE thought, there is only ONE God.
And THEN there is God's creation, which includes even the angels!
If Jesus was NOT God in human flesh, He was a created being, an
angel, or a man.
THAT is VITALLY important!
THAT is why we must "test the spirits".
And if you DENY or REJECT the VITAL IMPORTANCE of "Who do men say that
I am ? Who do YOU say that I am?"
You have missed the boat!
No MAN could have raised himself from the grave!
You say, "God raised Him from the grave!"
VERY true.
yet Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in 3 days *I* will rebuild
it!" He declared that He-- Himself-- would raise Himself!
There is no other possible answer.
And at the tail end of that narrative, where He said, "I will raise
the temple in 3 days," the comment from the narrator is, "they didn't
understand until LATER that He had declared 'the temple of which He
spoke was His BODY!"
:-)
God bless!
john w
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User: "Eeyore"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	09 Oct 2005 04:42:35 PM

In article <61vhk1lr5ole8h880083l33kd68gb4rrrn@4ax.com>, j w
<j-w<no>@yoh.hah> wrote:

The answer as to the motive for the insertion of this particular Thomas
fable into"John's Gospel" is rather obvious.
By the time the religious tract referred to as John's Gospel was penned by
unknown author(s) between seventy and a hundred years had passed since the
death of Jesus.
By this time both Christians and pagans were demanding clearer evidence
for Christian claims. Jesus had NOT returned and the end of the world had
not materialised.
In addition, within Christianity and within the area referred to as
"gnosticism" there were extreme doubts as to whether a BODILY resurrection
of Jesus had taken place.
These doubts were hardly unreasonable, but the increasingly dominant
"Literalist" form of Christianity that is so similar to our modern
Fundamentalism in some ways (and similarly based in Paulism) needed to
find ways to convince and maintain the flock.
The Thomas story is aimed at weakening or countering the demand for
EVIDENCE. It is with this story - undoubtedly a factional propagandist
myth - that Literalist Christianity finally broke with reason and turned
Christianity into a religion based on a distorted concept of "FAITH" and
"BELIEF" whereby both are separated from truth and reason and placed
instead into the areas of heirarchichal authority, wishful thinking and
loyalty
And the Paulist dominated religion with John's highly questionable
"Gospel" finally walked away from the historical Jesus - as a paganised
European religion that was uniquely intolerant of other contemporary
cults.
+++++++++++
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User: "Bible Bob"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	09 Oct 2005 07:22:33 PM

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:23:48 -0700, j w <j-w<no>@yoh.hah> wrote:

"j w @yoh.hah>" <j-w<no> wrote in message
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

jw,
Which is he? You keep changing your mind. Is he God in the flesh or
the Son of God in the flesh. None of your references say that he is
god in the flesh.
John 1:14 says that the "word became flesh" which means that the word
became Jesus. God's word is God in the same way that your word is you
so God's word becoming Jesus does not make Jesus God.
Col 2:9 only says that Christ's body was filled to capacity with the
divine nature. The proves him to be separate and apart from God who
filled him to capacity.
You habit of not providing incomplete passages citations is not a
problem when it comes to a commonly known verses such as the above.
But when you cite three chapters that say nothing about Jesus being
God or Jesus or God being God in the flesh, that is taking it too far.
However, the book of Revelation does leave no doubt that the Son
(Jesus Christ) and the Father (God) are two separate entities.
With regard to Thomas:
John 20:26-31 LITV
26 And after eight days, His disciples were inside again, and Thomas
was with them. The door having been locked, Jesus came and stood in
the midst, and said, Peace to you.
27 Then He said to Thomas, Bring your finger here and see My hands,
and bring your hand and thrust into My side, and be not unbelieving,
but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
29 Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, you have
believed. Blessed are the ones not seeing, and believing.
30 Then truly Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence
of His disciples, which are not written in this book.
31 But these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the
Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His
name.
Verse 31 concludes the whole matter when it says that the purpose of
the book of John was so that we may believe "the Jesus is the Christ,
the Son of God, and that beleiving [that he is the Son of God] you may
have life in His name - and what is His name? Jesus Christ. Jesus'
response to Thomas was a reproof for failure to believe correctly.
Anyone that uses John to prove that Jesus is other than the Christ,
the Son of God is using the words in the book out of context to
promote false doctrines. God said that Jesus is the Christ, the Son
of God. Jesus said that he is the Christ, the Son of God. Anyone who
says otherwise calls both God and Christ liars.
Thomas lost control of his emotions for a moment and mouthed that
Jesus was a Lord and a god to him (the editors added the capital G to
god as there is no capital G in the Greek). Thomas did not have the
authority to proclaim Jesus to be God with a capital G, but he could
refer to Jesus as a god with a little g because Jesus is a god with a
little g but not God with a capital G. A few hundred years later a
bunch of oral traditionalists (Nicene Pharisees) got together and
voted Jesus to be God and based on their human appointment some people
in the church have been taught that Jesus is God. Others have been
taught correctly that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God as the
written word of truth says. God made Jesus a lord and God made Jesus
a god and that is the way it should be because thats the way it really
is.

???

We have but 2 choices. They are: He was God in flesh, or He was a
created being.

If you give that CONSIDERABLE thought, there is only ONE God.
And THEN there is God's creation, which includes even the angels!

If Jesus was NOT God in human flesh, He was a created being, an
angel, or a man.

THAT is VITALLY important!

THAT is why we must "test the spirits".

And if you DENY or REJECT the VITAL IMPORTANCE of "Who do men say that
I am ? Who do YOU say that I am?"

You have missed the boat!

No MAN could have raised himself from the grave!

You say, "God raised Him from the grave!"

VERY true.

yet Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in 3 days *I* will rebuild
it!" He declared that He-- Himself-- would raise Himself!

There is no other possible answer.

And at the tail end of that narrative, where He said, "I will raise
the temple in 3 days," the comment from the narrator is, "they didn't
understand until LATER that He had declared 'the temple of which He
spoke was His BODY!"

:-)

God bless!

john w

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User: "john w"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	10 Oct 2005 06:04:56 PM

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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:22:33 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
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author.

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:23:48 -0700, j w <j-w<no>@yoh.hah> wrote:

"j w @yoh.hah>" <j-w<no> wrote in message
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

jw,

Which is he? You keep changing your mind. Is he God in the flesh or
the Son of God in the flesh. None of your references say that he is
god in the flesh.

Why all the confusion? You the world's greatest Bible scholar should
know. He has MANY titles, yet who He is doesn't change!

John 1:14 says that the "word became flesh" which means that the word
became Jesus. God's word is God in the same way that your word is you
so God's word becoming Jesus does not make Jesus God.

Where did you get the nonsense that "God's Word " is the same as my
word?
In the beginning
was the Word
(co-eternal)
The Word was WITH God.
(co-existent/ co-eternal)
The Word WAS God
Word = God / Deity
(co-equal)
The Word (God, co-existent/co-eternal)
became FLESH.
We beheld Him, and we called Him "The Son of God."
Paul calls Him "God in flesh" in Col 2.
Paul calls Him "the Image of the Invisible God" in Col 1

Col 2:9 only says that Christ's body was filled to capacity with the
divine nature.

That is NOT what it says. You are rewording and TWISTING the meaning.
It says all that God could be in flesh, Christ was.
"In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead in flesh."
The proves him to be separate and apart from God who

filled him to capacity.

Proves nothing of the sort.
And with that LIE, you are done.
God bless!
john w
snip

You habit of not providing incomplete passages citations

You can't even complete a correct sentence. Have you ever heard of a
"double negative?"
"You habit of not providing incomplete passages citations..."
Means I provide complete passage citations.
snip
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User: "Bible Bob"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	10 Oct 2005 11:12:04 PM

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:04:56 -0700, john w <jw<no>@yow.how> wrote:

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 04:23:48 -0700, j w <j-w<no>@yoh.hah> wrote:

"j w @yoh.hah>" <j-w<no> wrote in message
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
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pot - kettle - black

You do much harm to the body of Christ through your Inquistions, litmus
texts and promoting division, others chalk it up to your immaturity and
lack
of knowledge, me, I think I can smell someone who is in deep with the
"accuser of the brethern."

jw,

Which is he? You keep changing your mind. Is he God in the flesh or
the Son of God in the flesh. None of your references say that he is
god in the flesh.

Why all the confusion? You the world's greatest Bible scholar should
know. He has MANY titles, yet who He is doesn't change!

But we are not talking about titles. We are talking about
relationship. Sonship is a relationship not a title.

John 1:14 says that the "word became flesh" which means that the word
became Jesus. God's word is God in the same way that your word is you
so God's word becoming Jesus does not make Jesus God.

Where did you get the nonsense that "God's Word " is the same as my
word?

It's not. Didn't say that. Read it again.

In the beginning

was the Word
(co-eternal)

The Word was WITH God.
(co-existent/ co-eternal)

Yep. God's word which is God's will existed with him. Or are you of
the opinion that God was empty headed and unable to think.

The Word WAS God

Yep. The Word was God.

Word = God / Deity
(co-equal)

Well God's thoughts would not necessarily be co-equal because God
would be in control of His thoughts which makes Him superior to His
thoughts just as you are superior to your thoughts.

The Word (God, co-existent/co-eternal)

The word which is the will of God became flesh. It was not the will
of man that became flesh because verse 13 says so. Verse fourteen
begins with the conjunction "and" so that words that follow and are in
correspondence with the will of God in the conclusion of verse 13.

became FLESH.

We beheld Him, and we called Him "The Son of God."

Yep, they saw Jesus who was the will of God became flesh.

Paul calls Him "God in flesh" in Col 2.

Not in Colossians 2. Don't you mean 1 Tim 3:16 where the word "God"
is "Who".

Paul calls Him "the Image of the Invisible God" in Col 1

Thats right and in doing so proves to separate entities as an image is
an icon of another.

Col 2:9 only says that Christ's body was filled to capacity with the
divine nature.

That is NOT what it says. You are rewording and TWISTING the meaning.

No that's what it says. Read the various versions and then read the
Greek.

It says all that God could be in flesh, Christ was.

If that's true then you have two separate entities.

"In Him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead in flesh."

No. The word "Godhead" is divine nature which is holy spirit so that
Jesus was filled to capacity limited by the space available in his
body proving two separate enteties - the filler and the filled.

The proves him to be separate and apart from God who

filled him to capacity.

Proves nothing of the sort.

It does in Greek and English.

And with that LIE, you are done.

Not a lie, jw. A lie would be a deliberate deception. I am not
trying to deceive you. I just tell the truth and count on the spirit
of truth that is in you to open the eyes of your understanding.

God bless!

john w

snip

You habit of not providing incomplete passages citations

You can't even complete a correct sentence. Have you ever heard of a
"double negative?"

Yes I have heard of a double negative. Cool aren't they. Us
non-conformists use them from time to time.

"You habit of not providing incomplete passages citations..."

Means I provide complete passage citations.

Oh, well in that case what I meant to say was please cite chapter and
verse number for your audience.

snip

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User: "john w"
Title: Re: If your not here to talk about the bible then why do you post?	12 Oct 2005 12:34:11 AM

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