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"Daniel Vieira" |
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06 Oct 2004 08:45:24 PM |
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Ike on the Military-Industrial Complex |
Here is President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower's speech on the
Military-Industrial complex. Does this sound like anything our
current Solons in power would say today?
--begin quote--
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
from Eisenhower's Farewell Spech, delivered January 17, 1961
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our
arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential
aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by
any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of
World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no
armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and
as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk
emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to
create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to
this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the
defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than
the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms
industry is new in the American experience. The total influence --
economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every
State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the
imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend
its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all
involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties
or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an
alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the
huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful
methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our
industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution
during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more
formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is
conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been
overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing
fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the
fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a
revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs
involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for
intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds
of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal
employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we
should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that
public policy could itself become the captive of a
scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate
these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our
democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free
society.
--end quote--
Amen Ike.
Daniel
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Ike on the Military-Industrial Complex |
10 Oct 2004 07:46:39 PM |
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"Daniel Vieira" <dan@danielvieira.com> wrote in message
news:dd19d.214$xj1.90020@okeanos.csu.net...
Here is President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower's speech on the
Military-Industrial complex. Does this sound like anything our
current Solons in power would say today?
--begin quote--
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
from Eisenhower's Farewell Spech, delivered January 17, 1961
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our
arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential
aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
War and military might, is the desire of the rich, wealthy, evil dictators
(America included) of the world for their entertainment alone. There is NO
need for military or war for any reason, IF you had a true leader that
leads. Those who fight in battles and war, are the children of the poor and
working class, fighting against other poor and working class children of
their rulers, following, without question, the desires for wealth, power,
and control of their evil, selfish political, wealthy rulers and
controllers, who are, in ALL nations, of the same social circles, same
organizations and are NOT enemies whatsoever. But they have military might
and wars, because it is FINANCIALLY PROFITABLE TO THEM, and for NO other
reason, than this selfish gain. The globalist rulers are the enemy of the
people and they are the threat to all liberty, freedom, economy, spirit,
soul and life of the common man.
Ike Eisenhower's soul is being destroyed in hell, what good are his LYING,
propaganda, wealthy interest only opinions?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Daniel Vieira" <dan@danielvieira.com> wrote in message
news:dd19d.214$xj1.90020@okeanos.csu.net...
Here is President Dwight D. "Ike" Eisenhower's speech on the
Military-Industrial complex. Does this sound like anything our
current Solons in power would say today?
--begin quote--
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
from Eisenhower's Farewell Spech, delivered January 17, 1961
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our
arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential
aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by
any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of
World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no
armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and
as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk
emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to
create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to
this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the
defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than
the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms
industry is new in the American experience. The total influence --
economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every
State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the
imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend
its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all
involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties
or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an
alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the
huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful
methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our
industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution
during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more
formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is
conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been
overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing
fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the
fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a
revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs
involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for
intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds
of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal
employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we
should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that
public policy could itself become the captive of a
scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate
these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our
democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free
society.
--end quote--
Amen Ike.
Daniel
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| User: "Reuben Hick" |
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| Title: Re: Ike on the Military-Industrial Complex |
10 Oct 2004 08:13:45 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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War and military might, is the desire of the rich, wealthy, evil dictators
(America included) of the world for their entertainment alone.
Looks like somebody flunked world history.
There is NO need for military or war for any reason,
So you are in favor of the deeds of the Barbary Pirates who raided ships in
the Mediterranean from the 16th to the 19th century? It took a military to
hunt them down and terminate their robbery. But you hate the military, so
clearly you prefer pirates and the Law of the Jungle prevailing.
So you are in favor of Germany rolling Europe?
So you are upset that Japan didn't conquer the Pacific and the Asian
nations?
And the spread of communism is something you have no problems with?
Clearly you hate America, for you have just told us that you are against the
Revolutionary War.
Clearly you love slavery because you have just told us that there was no
need for Lincoln's War.
Also you wish Saddam continued to occupy Kuwait and upset the world economy.
War is a necessary component to maintain freedom, otherwise tyrants and
dictators will just rule with impunity. I guess that means that you would
rather live a life in chains without hope and constantly fearing that your
government will rape, torture and kill you - like those during Stalin's
reign, Mao's ruling of China and most recently Saddam's terror state.
It would probably me meaningless to talk to you about Ruwanda, Zimbabwe the
Sudan and other African nations that have and are experiencing what can only
be described as genocide because the UN in particular and the world in
general just doesn't care about black people on a distant continent. To
stop it would require a military, but you hate militaries - so let the
genocide and the atrocities continue.
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| User: "Reuben Hick" |
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| Title: Re: Ike on the Military-Industrial Complex |
10 Oct 2004 02:59:35 PM |
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"Daniel Vieira" <dan@danielvieira.com> wrote in message
news:dd19d.214$xj1.90020@okeanos.csu.net...
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no
armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and
as required, make swords as well.
....and just pull that GPS guidance technology off the internet... Doesn't
GM keep a stash of HE in a vault? We can easily convert a vacuum cleaner
manufacturer in India into a bunker buster missle factory, right?
...Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop...
....would be immediately arrested and thrown in prison by the ATF/FBI/NSA/DHS
et al if he made an automatic weapon, a silencer, a spring loaded knife, or
a potent pepper spray. In fact the mere possession of chemicals, that,
under the right circumstance can produce a mix that might give a person a
case of nausea will be arrested and fined by the FDA/USDA/OSHA/EPA/ATF/FBI
et al...
Let's say that a solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop made a surface to
air missle for under $10,000. Which Fe'ral agency would put the fatal
bullet into his skull because the MSM considered such a solitary tinkerer to
be a terrorist?
But now we can no longer risk
emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to
create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions.
We can thank the enemies of freedom and liberty for that. Or do you want
them to roll into our country unopposed - or at most opposed by converted
plows? That ten-round magazine that the government barely trusts me with
will sure repel that horde with those APCs with crew served weapons.
Added to
this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the
defense establishment.
And an orders of magnitude more are "directly engaged" in the destruction of
our "defense establishment".
We annually spend on military security more than
the net income of all United States corporations.
Then lets pull out troops from Europe and other lands that can finally spend
their own money on their own security. And if we cut back on the taxes and
regulations on our corporations, they could easily have a larger net income
than our "military security".
Everybody but the America haters win!
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms
industry is new in the American experience. The total influence --
economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every
State house, every office of the Federal government.
Interesting. When we let Halliburton or some other company of that size and
capability relieve the US military forces in Iraq, the Saddamites scream
bloody murder. The theme is always the same. America is evil and China or
some other more moral and noble nation should take the global lead.
We recognize the
imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend
its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all
involved; so is the very structure of our society.
And the alternative is what? Let the forces of communism and tyranny
overrun and destroy our "very structure of society"? When the forces of
evil decide to beat their swords into plowshares (which by every empirical
measure show just the opposite) then we can consider reducing the
development.
I guess it is so quickly forgotten by the anti-american/anti-liberty cabal
that Ronald Reagan's military buildup was a direct cause in the fall of the
Soviet Union, and soon following the leveling of the Berlin Wall, it was
universally agreed that the US would recognize a "peace dividend" that
lasted well over a decade. We all got a chance to *****-away money
earmarked for national defense on drugs, welfare, and pork barrel spending,
rather than reducing taxes or some other truly beneficial thing. Not only
by building up our military did we advance technology, we also happened to
receive the dividend of not worrying about our children practicing "Duck and
Cover".
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of
unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the
militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of
misplaced power exists and will persist.
Gee, under the exact same reasoning, we should disban the NEA. (fat chance)
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties
or democratic processes.
Instead we should let garden variety tax-and-spend liberalism do all of that
instead. At least with the military complex we get great technology, and a
world that is deadly afraid of attacking us.
We should take nothing for granted. Only an
alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the
huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful
methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
"knowledgeable citizenry"? Knowledgeable of what, the winner of this
season's "Survivor"? You can scrap that idea. We are pouring into this
country every year millions of people who don't give a tinker's dam about
this country, its culture, its language or its survival. Along with that
we are graduating scads of ignoramuses who have even less commitment to this
nation's future than our ingrateful immigrants.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our
industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution
during recent decades.
Its more than that. It is the reduction of military man-power in general,
replaced by expendable equipment and by private security forces (aka
"mercenaries"). A great strategy since a private firm can maneuver around
the politics and the chicanery of corrupted bureaucracy to better equip,
staff and coordinate a "job" that once was executed by special forces. - all
at greatly reduced cost.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more
formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is
conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Oh cry me a river of tears. If I were to conduct a private research program
to make a more potent high explosive, I would be spending the rest of my
life behind bars. The same government that is terrified that a feeble
elderly woman could overtake and terrorize a jumbo jet using nothing more
than a finger nail file, is going to want to regulate, and control access to
the technology of advanced weapons production.
I take it you and other prefer that the government spend money on
researching the mating habits of ducks, or the ancestry of some Indian
chief?
...For every old blackboard there are now hundreds
of new electronic computers....
Oh my God, the horror. The depraved use of technology. The Devil invented
electricity. We should be using stones in the dirt to do our calculations.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal
employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
and is gravely to be regarded.
Amen! Dump them Pell Grants and make student actually pay for their own
damned education. I am sick and tired of having my pay check ravaged to pay
for the education of my future competitor or for some dimwit socialist
malcontent who feels a compulsion to have her neighbors pay for her
doctorate in lesbian studies. They should bust their ***** mowing my yard and
serving me food in order to underwrite their education.
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| User: "Daniel S. Vieira" |
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| Title: Re: Ike on the Military-Industrial Complex |
10 Oct 2004 05:35:33 PM |
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Reuben Hick wrote:
I take it you and other prefer that the government spend money on
researching the mating habits of ducks, or the ancestry of some Indian
chief?
You'll have to conjure Ike back from the dead to ask
him that. Maybe the Witch of En-Dor can help you?
Dan
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Daniel S. Vieira
raamthodol **at** earthlink **dot** net
"Between government in the republican meaning, that is,
Constitutional, representative, limited government, on the one
hand, and Empire on the other hand, there is mortal enmity."
-- Garet Garrett, "Ex America"
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| User: "Reuben Hick" |
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10 Oct 2004 05:48:38 PM |
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"Daniel S. Vieira" <email-in-sig@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Reuben Hick wrote:
I take it you and other prefer that the government spend money on
researching the mating habits of ducks, or the ancestry of some Indian
chief?
You'll have to conjure Ike back from the dead to ask
him that. Maybe the Witch of En-Dor can help you?
Dan
I figured you posted it because you agreed with it. Particularly the part
where you added "Amen Ike" .
Maybe you can tell us that you agreed with it before you disagreed against
it. :)
Every now and then I need to work on the SmackDown. Use it or lose it.
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| User: "Daniel S. Vieira" |
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11 Oct 2004 02:31:57 AM |
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Reuben Hick wrote:
Every now and then I need to work on the SmackDown. Use it or lose it.
Which is exactly why I'm not going to comment further.
We won't be able to have a sensible discussion over
it, so why bother?
Dan
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Daniel S. Vieira
raamthodol **at** earthlink **dot** net
"Between government in the republican meaning, that is,
Constitutional, representative, limited government, on the one
hand, and Empire on the other hand, there is mortal enmity."
-- Garet Garrett, "Ex America"
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