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"martus" |
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29 Jan 2004 01:23:22 AM |
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Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich
and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the
forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does
not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its
name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with
understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number
of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989 (Re
13:16). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
We know the beast people will have the 666 mark on their head but what
will it look like?
If we suppose that when John saw that mark it was the numeric hebrew
number 666 on the forehead then that information was translated into
the Greek for the common person to understand but what then would that
mark look like in hebrew numeric numbering?
The hebrew numbering for 666(six hundred and sixty six) looks very
like a representation of socket holes and this is what I believe is
the actual meaning of the mark.
This would explain why these people have been rejected by God because
by medical intervention they have a direct connection to their brain
which they download and upload emotions, information etc from the
computer via electrical impulses. They have become cyborg and unable
to tune to God because these false inputs have become their gods.
So much of the description of the false prophet and what he does found
in Revelation seems to directly infer to this computer technology of
our modern day.
The False Prophet will bring so many to hell through this technology
of pleasure control and information. Technology is not our saviour,
God is!
28 ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh;
and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.
Young, R. (1997). Young's literal translation (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor:
Logos Research Systems.
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End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963
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| User: "kosmos -" |
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| Title: Re: Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
29 Jan 2004 01:16:51 PM |
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Hi Martus, thank you for your website, I'm enjoying reading the content in
it. God bless you.
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| User: "Otis Pan" |
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| Title: Re: Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
29 Jan 2004 01:54:33 AM |
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Jezus H Christ are you ever full *****. Have you had family members ask you to get on
medication?
Are you on some kind of medication?
I note this line from below: "The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, "
I wonder... 1996, is this a number that reflects a devil sign?
You are one of the more classic examplse of the stupidity of religion. What a bunch
looser quacks.
How many human beings will this ***** effect in a religous way? Do you think it will
reduce starvation
or lost souls? It is all mental babble crap!
Dam you need to get out!
martus wrote:
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich
and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the
forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does
not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its
name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with
understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number
of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989 (Re
13:16). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
We know the beast people will have the 666 mark on their head but what
will it look like?
If we suppose that when John saw that mark it was the numeric hebrew
number 666 on the forehead then that information was translated into
the Greek for the common person to understand but what then would that
mark look like in hebrew numeric numbering?
The hebrew numbering for 666(six hundred and sixty six) looks very
like a representation of socket holes and this is what I believe is
the actual meaning of the mark.
This would explain why these people have been rejected by God because
by medical intervention they have a direct connection to their brain
which they download and upload emotions, information etc from the
computer via electrical impulses. They have become cyborg and unable
to tune to God because these false inputs have become their gods.
So much of the description of the false prophet and what he does found
in Revelation seems to directly infer to this computer technology of
our modern day.
The False Prophet will bring so many to hell through this technology
of pleasure control and information. Technology is not our saviour,
God is!
28 ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh;
and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.
Young, R. (1997). Young's literal translation (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor:
Logos Research Systems.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Details of false prophet explaned here:
End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
29 Jan 2004 05:06:45 AM |
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:54:33 -0800, Otis Pan <crap@dogshit.com> wrote:
Jezus H Christ are you ever full *****. Have you had family members ask you to get on
medication?
Good luck having people respond to you in a Christian group when your
first words curse God. And since I have no choice but to believe it
was premeditated, you have no class, demoniac!
John W
Are you on some kind of medication?
I note this line from below: "The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, "
I wonder... 1996, is this a number that reflects a devil sign?
You are one of the more classic examplse of the stupidity of religion. What a bunch
looser quacks.
How many human beings will this ***** effect in a religous way? Do you think it will
reduce starvation
or lost souls? It is all mental babble crap!
Dam you need to get out!
martus wrote:
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich
and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the
forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does
not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its
name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with
understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number
of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989 (Re
13:16). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
We know the beast people will have the 666 mark on their head but what
will it look like?
If we suppose that when John saw that mark it was the numeric hebrew
number 666 on the forehead then that information was translated into
the Greek for the common person to understand but what then would that
mark look like in hebrew numeric numbering?
The hebrew numbering for 666(six hundred and sixty six) looks very
like a representation of socket holes and this is what I believe is
the actual meaning of the mark.
This would explain why these people have been rejected by God because
by medical intervention they have a direct connection to their brain
which they download and upload emotions, information etc from the
computer via electrical impulses. They have become cyborg and unable
to tune to God because these false inputs have become their gods.
So much of the description of the false prophet and what he does found
in Revelation seems to directly infer to this computer technology of
our modern day.
The False Prophet will bring so many to hell through this technology
of pleasure control and information. Technology is not our saviour,
God is!
28 ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh;
and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.
Young, R. (1997). Young's literal translation (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor:
Logos Research Systems.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963
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| User: "Otis Pan" |
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| Title: Re: Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
29 Jan 2004 03:01:22 PM |
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Tell me oh holy one, just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are some kind of an authority
of good and evil? Who the hell appointed you to such a judgmental position? How about I do just
like you? I could easily demonstrate how idiots like you are the true demonic ones by helping to
divert the meaning of the bible as an instrument to teach good into a fools game of finding evil
where it does not exist! People like you are dime a dozen, it is so easy to be stupid, anyone
can do it. Your sleuthing here with 666 crap does zero to contribute to the body of Christ, you
are an ***** like so many authority wanna be's found on these groups. Why don't you get with
Pastor Frank's racist ***** and pervert the bible into a xenophobic instrument of hate. He calls
himself a Christian, why can't dumb asses like you do it too?
You are joke and anyone that gives you any kind of respectable discourse on your devil hunting
crap is too!
"John
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:54:33 -0800, Otis Pan <crap@dogshit.com> wrote:
Jezus H Christ are you ever full *****. Have you had family members ask you to get on
medication?
Good luck having people respond to you in a Christian group when your
first words curse God. And since I have no choice but to believe it
was premeditated, you have no class, demoniac!
John W
Are you on some kind of medication?
I note this line from below: "The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, "
I wonder... 1996, is this a number that reflects a devil sign?
You are one of the more classic examplse of the stupidity of religion. What a bunch
looser quacks.
How many human beings will this ***** effect in a religous way? Do you think it will
reduce starvation
or lost souls? It is all mental babble crap!
Dam you need to get out!
martus wrote:
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich
and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the
forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does
not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its
name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with
understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number
of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989 (Re
13:16). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
We know the beast people will have the 666 mark on their head but what
will it look like?
If we suppose that when John saw that mark it was the numeric hebrew
number 666 on the forehead then that information was translated into
the Greek for the common person to understand but what then would that
mark look like in hebrew numeric numbering?
The hebrew numbering for 666(six hundred and sixty six) looks very
like a representation of socket holes and this is what I believe is
the actual meaning of the mark.
This would explain why these people have been rejected by God because
by medical intervention they have a direct connection to their brain
which they download and upload emotions, information etc from the
computer via electrical impulses. They have become cyborg and unable
to tune to God because these false inputs have become their gods.
So much of the description of the false prophet and what he does found
in Revelation seems to directly infer to this computer technology of
our modern day.
The False Prophet will bring so many to hell through this technology
of pleasure control and information. Technology is not our saviour,
God is!
28 ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh;
and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.
Young, R. (1997). Young's literal translation (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor:
Logos Research Systems.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Details of false prophet explaned here:
End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
31 Jan 2004 07:41:13 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tell me oh holy one,
When you are serious, come back with a respectful, humble attitude,
and we'll talk about it. I could give you many answers; however, I
will not talk with you until I see some respect and humility.
just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes
time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are some kind of an authority
of good and evil?
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
Come back with a mind and a mouth that indicate yuo are ready to
receive.
Who the hell appointed you to such a judgmental position?
You came to me with questions. If you want to receive answers, show
me and my God some respect.
John W
How about I do just
like you? I could easily demonstrate how idiots like you are the true demonic ones by helping to
divert the meaning of the bible as an instrument to teach good into a fools game of finding evil
where it does not exist! People like you are dime a dozen, it is so easy to be stupid, anyone
can do it. Your sleuthing here with 666 crap does zero to contribute to the body of Christ, you
are an ***** like so many authority wanna be's found on these groups. Why don't you get with
Pastor Frank's racist ***** and pervert the bible into a xenophobic instrument of hate. He calls
himself a Christian, why can't dumb asses like you do it too?
You are joke and anyone that gives you any kind of respectable discourse on your devil hunting
crap is too!
"John
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:54:33 -0800, Otis Pan <crap@dogshit.com> wrote:
Jezus H Christ are you ever full *****. Have you had family members ask you to get on
medication?
Good luck having people respond to you in a Christian group when your
first words curse God. And since I have no choice but to believe it
was premeditated, you have no class, demoniac!
John W
Are you on some kind of medication?
I note this line from below: "The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, "
I wonder... 1996, is this a number that reflects a devil sign?
You are one of the more classic examplse of the stupidity of religion. What a bunch
looser quacks.
How many human beings will this ***** effect in a religous way? Do you think it will
reduce starvation
or lost souls? It is all mental babble crap!
Dam you need to get out!
martus wrote:
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich
and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the
forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does
not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its
name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with
understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number
of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989 (Re
13:16). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
We know the beast people will have the 666 mark on their head but what
will it look like?
If we suppose that when John saw that mark it was the numeric hebrew
number 666 on the forehead then that information was translated into
the Greek for the common person to understand but what then would that
mark look like in hebrew numeric numbering?
The hebrew numbering for 666(six hundred and sixty six) looks very
like a representation of socket holes and this is what I believe is
the actual meaning of the mark.
This would explain why these people have been rejected by God because
by medical intervention they have a direct connection to their brain
which they download and upload emotions, information etc from the
computer via electrical impulses. They have become cyborg and unable
to tune to God because these false inputs have become their gods.
So much of the description of the false prophet and what he does found
in Revelation seems to directly infer to this computer technology of
our modern day.
The False Prophet will bring so many to hell through this technology
of pleasure control and information. Technology is not our saviour,
God is!
28 ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh;
and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.
Young, R. (1997). Young's literal translation (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor:
Logos Research Systems.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963
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| User: "Chris" |
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31 Jan 2004 12:53:25 PM |
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"John @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tell me oh holy one,
When you are serious, come back with a respectful, humble attitude,
and we'll talk about it. I could give you many answers; however, I
will not talk with you until I see some respect and humility.
just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes
time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are
some kind of an authority
of good and evil?
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say! Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining the
validity of a prophet's claims, but I don't imagine you know them.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
Chris
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| User: "Falcon" |
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| Title: Re: Insight on the 666 mark on the people! |
31 Jan 2004 01:09:29 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:53:25 GMT, "Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
"John @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
news:50cn10tvi33du9o2nqhu8mu4scfib9rmjh@4ax.com...
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say! Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining the
validity of a prophet's claims, but I don't imagine you know them.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
Here is one of his better ones....
========== The "Prophet" John =========
From: John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has
Appeared
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So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has Appeared
I see a nuclear launch by N Korea in the next week or so. I see a
response from our west coast, but my area, Seattle, will likely be a
first hit. That will be my answer to prayer; I'll be taken out first.
I pray my son will follow VERY shortly.
Expect a hit on the Eastern seaboard, and a third, wherever the Al
Quaida have planted the one of 2 or 3 missing briefcase bombs.
Nuclear.
Whether Russia will join the nuclear fray is doubtful, but All sides
will probably stand down momentarily, and then enter State Left, the
Anti-Christ with a 7-year Peace Treaty in his hand.
Those who are attuned will be able to connect the dots. So far, the
scenario I've foreseen is happening.
The News just announced that the Muslim holy day has ended, and as of
this moment, 0504 PST, we can expect a nuclear attack on America at
any time.
Pray for our nation as the war comes to our shores. Perhaps this is
America's payback for ther national sins, such as America ignoring the
children stolen by our corrupt governments.
================= End of quote ========================
Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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31 Jan 2004 01:30:55 PM |
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I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say! Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining the
validity of a prophet's claims, but I don't imagine you know them.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
Here is one of his better ones....
========== The "Prophet" John =========
From: John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has
Appeared
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So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has Appeared
I see a nuclear launch by N Korea in the next week or so. I see a
response from our west coast, but my area, Seattle, will likely be a
first hit. That will be my answer to prayer; I'll be taken out first.
I pray my son will follow VERY shortly.
Expect a hit on the Eastern seaboard, and a third, wherever the Al
Quaida have planted the one of 2 or 3 missing briefcase bombs.
Nuclear.
Whether Russia will join the nuclear fray is doubtful, but All sides
will probably stand down momentarily, and then enter State Left, the
Anti-Christ with a 7-year Peace Treaty in his hand.
Those who are attuned will be able to connect the dots. So far, the
scenario I've foreseen is happening.
The News just announced that the Muslim holy day has ended, and as of
this moment, 0504 PST, we can expect a nuclear attack on America at
any time.
Pray for our nation as the war comes to our shores. Perhaps this is
America's payback for ther national sins, such as America ignoring the
children stolen by our corrupt governments.
================= End of quote ========================
Ciao,
Falcon
Yeah, John. What up with that?
Is there any particular reason anybody should
take you seriously as a prophet now?
You're right about one thing:
there are many like you.
Praying for nuclear holocaust, too.
End Time Theologies are evil.
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| User: "John" |
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31 Jan 2004 10:54:59 PM |
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On 31 Jan 2004 11:30:55 -0800, RetroProphet
<RetroProphet_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say! Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining the
validity of a prophet's claims, but I don't imagine you know them.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
Here is one of his better ones....
========== The "Prophet" John =========
From: John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist
Subject: So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has
Appeared
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So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has Appeared
I see a nuclear launch by N Korea in the next week or so. I see a
response from our west coast, but my area, Seattle, will likely be a
first hit. That will be my answer to prayer; I'll be taken out first.
I pray my son will follow VERY shortly.
Expect a hit on the Eastern seaboard, and a third, wherever the Al
Quaida have planted the one of 2 or 3 missing briefcase bombs.
Nuclear.
Whether Russia will join the nuclear fray is doubtful, but All sides
will probably stand down momentarily, and then enter State Left, the
Anti-Christ with a 7-year Peace Treaty in his hand.
Those who are attuned will be able to connect the dots. So far, the
scenario I've foreseen is happening.
The News just announced that the Muslim holy day has ended, and as of
this moment, 0504 PST, we can expect a nuclear attack on America at
any time.
Pray for our nation as the war comes to our shores. Perhaps this is
America's payback for ther national sins, such as America ignoring the
children stolen by our corrupt governments.
================= End of quote ========================
Ciao,
Falcon
Yeah, John. What up with that?
It proves one thing: I should not try to see into the future; I should
stick with prophesying (preaching the Gospel). Even the apostles made
mistakes. They just didn't end up in the Bible.
Is there any particular reason anybody should
take you seriously as a prophet now?
I could give you several, but I somehow think you're not actually
receptive. Let me know if you are. Your following note says you are
not, and that you are one who merely wants to ridicule.
You're right about one thing:
there are many like you.
I know. There are many like you, too.
Praying for nuclear holocaust, too.
I don't see anywhere I prayed for a nuclear war.
End Time Theologies are evil.
to some. They confirm the faith to many of us.
John W
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01 Feb 2004 02:14:25 AM |
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========== The "Prophet" John =========
From: John W <john_weatherly47@yahoo.com>
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Subject: So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has
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So, As the News Blares This AM, that a 2nd Osama tape has Appeared
I see a nuclear launch by N Korea in the next week or so. I see a
response from our west coast, but my area, Seattle, will likely be a
first hit. That will be my answer to prayer; I'll be taken out first.
I pray my son will follow VERY shortly.
Expect a hit on the Eastern seaboard, and a third, wherever the Al
Quaida have planted the one of 2 or 3 missing briefcase bombs.
Nuclear.
Whether Russia will join the nuclear fray is doubtful, but All sides
will probably stand down momentarily, and then enter State Left, the
Anti-Christ with a 7-year Peace Treaty in his hand.
Those who are attuned will be able to connect the dots. So far, the
scenario I've foreseen is happening.
The News just announced that the Muslim holy day has ended, and as of
this moment, 0504 PST, we can expect a nuclear attack on America at
any time.
Pray for our nation as the war comes to our shores. Perhaps this is
America's payback for ther national sins, such as America ignoring the
children stolen by our corrupt governments.
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Yeah, John. What up with that?
It proves one thing: I should not try to see into the future; I should
stick with prophesying (preaching the Gospel). Even the apostles made
mistakes. They just didn't end up in the Bible.
Is there any particular reason anybody should
take you seriously as a prophet now?
I could give you several, but I somehow think you're not actually
receptive. Let me know if you are. Your following note says you are
not, and that you are one who merely wants to ridicule.
You're right about one thing:
there are many like you.
I know. There are many like you, too.
Praying for nuclear holocaust, too.
I don't see anywhere I prayed for a nuclear war.
End Time Theologies are evil.
To some. They confirm the faith to many of us.
John W
Perhaps you should not try to see into the future,
but you cannot help but do so, because your theology
is based upon the assumption that you know what the
future will bring.
It is impossible for you to preach your theology
on any other basis.
To you, the story always ends the same way.
It is so real to you, you have such faith in it,
it so permeates your thoughts and dreams that you
actually believed that The End was about to occur
and sought to warn others.
So central a figure were you in your delusional
fantasy of how the story ends, that you yourself
are standing at ground zero, just as you prayed
you would be.
No, you didn't pray for a nuclear war.
I did misread your post and apologize for that.
Your prayer was to be taken out quickly.
Nevertheless, I think it is safe for me to assume
that you do pray for the fulfillment of your theology.
Isn't it really the same thing?
You say that End Time Theologies
"confirm the faith to many of us".
I'm sure it is a real comfort to all of you.
However, there are many like me who do not find
any comfort in living alongside folks who have
amply proven over and over that they are prone to
delusional thinking.
Worse, delusion thinking that by definition
cannot be dispelled by ANYTHING.
If the end of your story led to anything other
than the destruction of billions of human beings,
I could let it slide. Unfortunately, it is
something that makes this world a significantly
more dangerous place in which to live.
Your faith led you to only dream about End Time war.
Do you believe that none of your fellow "faithful"
are willing to really do it?
And, there are your counterparts of other "faiths"
who are of similar thinking, also willing to get it on.
All in the names of benevolent peaceful gods.
You suggested that I am not "receptive" to what
you have to say and only wish to ridicule.
What I have written here is not ridicule.
It is a reasonable response to a situation that
should be reasonably viewed as being ridiculous.
And dangerous.
End Time Theologies are evil.
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tell me oh holy one,
When you are serious, come back with a respectful, humble attitude,
and we'll talk about it. I could give you many answers; however, I
will not talk with you until I see some respect and humility.
just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes
time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are
some kind of an authority
of good and evil?
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say!
Yes. One of probably thousands, all over the world, keeping the
message pure.
Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
Look beyond me to the message.
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining the
validity of a prophet's claims,
I believe you are mistaken with what you are saying. But let me put it
this say. In the Old Testament, the prophets wrote the Old Testament
books. In the New Testament (apostolic days), the apostles and
selected disciples wrote the New Testament. No New Testament prophets
have appeared since the close of the apostolic age (somewhere between
30 AD to 100 AD.
However, since the close of the Bible, we preachers and heralds are
called "prophets". I do not write scripture. I preach; I herald the
2nd Coming.
So take that into consideration. The Old Testament prophets who were
"tested" were those who claimed to write scripture, and we remember
them for that. I do not write scripture, nor do I claim to. I
preach/I proclaim.
but I don't imagine you know them.
I do know the Old Testament tests.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
I have prophesied / preached / declared in here. And I have
prophesied/ preached in churches in which I preached.
Any preacher who gets up and preaches the true Gospel today is a
":prophet."
John W
Chris
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tell me oh holy one,
When you are serious, come back with a respectful, humble attitude,
and we'll talk about it. I could give you many answers; however, I
will not talk with you until I see some respect and humility.
just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes
time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are
some kind of an authority
of good and evil?
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say!
Yes. One of probably thousands, all over the world, keeping the
message pure.
Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
Look beyond me to the message.
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining
the
validity of a prophet's claims,
I believe you are mistaken with what you are saying.
Far from it, as I will explain in a moment. I see, however, that you have
changed your story. You used the title "prophet" to describe your ability
to understand, to essentially FORETELL what the mark of the beast is all
about. Once someone reposted one of your old messages in which you made
some predictions which did not come true, you admitted to not being able to
see into the future, and redefined "prophet" to mean someone who is
preaching, heralding the Second Coming. Would you care to supply a
Scripture to support this use of the term prophet? Before you do, consider
that the Bible teaches otherwise:
(1 Cor 12:28 NIV) And in the church God has appointed first of all
apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also
those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts
of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
I would think someone proclaiming anything about God would be either an
apostle or a teacher, but, please, supply a Scripture to support your
position.
Let me say "kudos" for admitting that you were unable to see into the
future. Many people would try to rationalize such a matter, but you chose
not to. That was a very responsible thing to do. The thing is, when a
Biblical prophet saw the future, they did not do it of their own ability.
God either told them what would happen, or showed them what would happen in
a vision or dream. You essentially made a prediction up and believed it was
from God. You therefore have a proven inability to distinguish between
stuff you make up and revelation from God. This is a very dangerous thing
in someone who now claims to be preaching and heralding the Second Coming.
It's dangerous because you cannot tell the difference between things you
invent and things that God has revealed. You have the potential to do great
damage to the work of spreading the Gospel because you think things you
invent are real.
With all humility, I urge you to ask yourself what has fundamentally changed
in you from a year ago when you gave a false prophecy to now. If you cannot
specifically name what has changed, perhaps you should consider another
vocation, such as working lots of overtime, and giving your extra income to
missionaries or to the poor. You would still be serving God, and spreading
the Gospel, but you'd be doing it in a way that cannot harm the Gospel.
Think very hard about this - what has changed?
Now, on to the New Testament criteria for determining a prophet's claims.
By the way, if you consider yourself a preacher, you really should learn the
Bible better.
(1 Cor 14:29-32 KJV) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other
judge. {30} If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the
first hold his peace. {31} For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may
learn, and all may be comforted. {32} And the spirits of the prophets are
subject to the prophets.
Paul defines the norm for the way prophecy is to be given. It is to be
given in the context of a church setting. Furthermore, other prophets are
to "judge" the prophet speaking.
So, let me ask you: Did you give your false prophecy in a church setting
and allow other prophets to judge it before you posted it? No, you did not.
Did you place yourself in a position of being subject to other prophets?
No, you did not.
Had you known Scripture better, you could have easily recognized what you
were doing for the error that it was simply by virtue that you did not
prophecy in the specified way.
And now, despite your inability to differentiate between your thoughts and
an actual revelation from God, and despite that fact that you did not know
Scripture well enough to be able to determine the criteria of a prophet, you
remain a self-proclaimed prophet. Isn't it possible that you might possibly
be mistaken about anything? And if it is possible that you are mistaken,
and if you preach something based on a mistake, isn't it possible that you
could be doing damage to the Kingdom of God?
Chris
But let me put it
this say. In the Old Testament, the prophets wrote the Old Testament
books. In the New Testament (apostolic days), the apostles and
selected disciples wrote the New Testament. No New Testament prophets
have appeared since the close of the apostolic age (somewhere between
30 AD to 100 AD.
However, since the close of the Bible, we preachers and heralds are
called "prophets". I do not write scripture. I preach; I herald the
2nd Coming.
I don't suppose you'd case to supply a Scripture reference for this, would
you?
So take that into consideration. The Old Testament prophets who were
"tested" were those who claimed to write scripture, and we remember
them for that. I do not write scripture, nor do I claim to. I
preach/I proclaim.
but I don't imagine you know them.
I do know the Old Testament tests.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
I have prophesied / preached / declared in here. And I have
prophesied/ preached in churches in which I preached.
Any preacher who gets up and preaches the true Gospel today is a
":prophet."
John W
Chris
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tell me oh holy one,
When you are serious, come back with a respectful, humble attitude,
and we'll talk about it. I could give you many answers; however, I
will not talk with you until I see some respect and humility.
just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes
time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are
some kind of an authority
of good and evil?
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
well be the first one you have encountered.
A prophet, you say!
Yes. One of probably thousands, all over the world, keeping the
message pure.
Very well, I will not ask you to prove it or anything,
Look beyond me to the message.
because our Lord would not use His supernatural abilities when tempted by
Satan. There are, however, valid New Testament criteria for determining
the
validity of a prophet's claims,
I believe you are mistaken with what you are saying.
Far from it, as I will explain in a moment. I see, however, that you have
changed your story.
You see nothing of the sort. Because of argumentative, uninformed
folks like yourself, I don't give all the details at once. It would
take more time than I choose to devote; and you prove my reasons why.
Always an argument. Always, you can't prove that Always, "Liar!"
You used the title "prophet" to describe your ability
to understand, to essentially FORETELL what the mark of the beast is all
about.
That may be what you understood. That is NOT what I suggested. And
WHEN I detected that some people were going in a wrong direction, I
corrected that mis-impression.
Once someone reposted one of your old messages in which you made
some predictions which did not come true, you admitted to not being able to
see into the future,
That is quite true.
and redefined "prophet" to mean someone who is
preaching, heralding the Second Coming.
The only thing wrong with the words above is the word "redefined." I
merely transmitted the correct information AGAIN that had been lost in
translation previously.
Would you care to supply a
Scripture to support this use of the term prophet? Before you do, consider
that the Bible teaches otherwise:
No, I don't care to continue with yuo.
John W
(1 Cor 12:28 NIV) And in the church God has appointed first of all
apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also
those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts
of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.
I would think someone proclaiming anything about God would be either an
apostle or a teacher, but, please, supply a Scripture to support your
position.
Let me say "kudos" for admitting that you were unable to see into the
future. Many people would try to rationalize such a matter, but you chose
not to. That was a very responsible thing to do. The thing is, when a
Biblical prophet saw the future, they did not do it of their own ability.
God either told them what would happen, or showed them what would happen in
a vision or dream. You essentially made a prediction up and believed it was
from God. You therefore have a proven inability to distinguish between
stuff you make up and revelation from God. This is a very dangerous thing
in someone who now claims to be preaching and heralding the Second Coming.
It's dangerous because you cannot tell the difference between things you
invent and things that God has revealed. You have the potential to do great
damage to the work of spreading the Gospel because you think things you
invent are real.
With all humility, I urge you to ask yourself what has fundamentally changed
in you from a year ago when you gave a false prophecy to now. If you cannot
specifically name what has changed, perhaps you should consider another
vocation, such as working lots of overtime, and giving your extra income to
missionaries or to the poor. You would still be serving God, and spreading
the Gospel, but you'd be doing it in a way that cannot harm the Gospel.
Think very hard about this - what has changed?
Now, on to the New Testament criteria for determining a prophet's claims.
By the way, if you consider yourself a preacher, you really should learn the
Bible better.
(1 Cor 14:29-32 KJV) Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other
judge. {30} If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the
first hold his peace. {31} For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may
learn, and all may be comforted. {32} And the spirits of the prophets are
subject to the prophets.
Paul defines the norm for the way prophecy is to be given. It is to be
given in the context of a church setting. Furthermore, other prophets are
to "judge" the prophet speaking.
So, let me ask you: Did you give your false prophecy in a church setting
and allow other prophets to judge it before you posted it? No, you did not.
Did you place yourself in a position of being subject to other prophets?
No, you did not.
Had you known Scripture better, you could have easily recognized what you
were doing for the error that it was simply by virtue that you did not
prophecy in the specified way.
And now, despite your inability to differentiate between your thoughts and
an actual revelation from God, and despite that fact that you did not know
Scripture well enough to be able to determine the criteria of a prophet, you
remain a self-proclaimed prophet. Isn't it possible that you might possibly
be mistaken about anything? And if it is possible that you are mistaken,
and if you preach something based on a mistake, isn't it possible that you
could be doing damage to the Kingdom of God?
Chris
But let me put it
this say. In the Old Testament, the prophets wrote the Old Testament
books. In the New Testament (apostolic days), the apostles and
selected disciples wrote the New Testament. No New Testament prophets
have appeared since the close of the apostolic age (somewhere between
30 AD to 100 AD.
However, since the close of the Bible, we preachers and heralds are
called "prophets". I do not write scripture. I preach; I herald the
2nd Coming.
I don't suppose you'd case to supply a Scripture reference for this, would
you?
So take that into consideration. The Old Testament prophets who were
"tested" were those who claimed to write scripture, and we remember
them for that. I do not write scripture, nor do I claim to. I
preach/I proclaim.
but I don't imagine you know them.
I do know the Old Testament tests.
Therefore, I can confidently ask you the following question:
Where are you when you give a prophecy and who is with you?
I have prophesied / preached / declared in here. And I have
prophesied/ preached in churches in which I preached.
Any preacher who gets up and preaches the true Gospel today is a
":prophet."
John W
Chris
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On 31 Jan 2004 13:41:13 GMT, John wrote:
Followups set to trolls home group, check google if you think john w isn't
an unwelcome addition to any discussion.
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tell me oh holy one,
When you are serious, come back with a respectful, humble attitude,
how bizarre, you demand respect, & give none until it serves your purpose.
You demand others be humble around you, & the stature you have is
synominous with, say a fly turd in a 1000 ton lot of freshly ground black
peppper, for yopu have demonstrtaed no knowl;wedge of your mythology.
Now, it is a given that ypou make assertions, but assertions are justso
much sewer gas until you provide evidence for them. A thing you are noted
for not doing.
What you are noted for doing is engaging is self agrandizement & attempting
to denigrarte others with your lame attempts to be insulting.That & running
away decalring victory as ypou fail in demonstarteing your vaunted
education.
and we'll talk about it. I could give you many answers; however, I
will not talk with you until I see some respect and humility.
Now if you just would hold to that, a golden silence would temporarily
settle upon arcb, the group, you have perturnbed since Aug of 2002.
just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes
time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are some kind of an authority
of good and evil?
I am what is called a "prophet." There are many of us, although I may
A self proclaimed prophet, just like the others. & just like the others, a
foolish person that attaches importance to their whines & claims them to be
in accordance with their version of a god, or in your case, their pantheon.
But then, if you were as educated as you have implied & claimed, you would
know that.
well be the first one you have encountered.
Actually, in your case, no one has encountyered a prophet. Like your
claimed messiah prophesis, your claims miust not be taken in any context
except as claimed by you.
BTW, who was the messiah supposed to be, & which line would he be from.
Mind you, it can't be from ther house of David, for there is a person in
their that non descendent of could ever sit the throne agasin accordingg to
your grimporie.
& yes, there was a messiah, & still is a messiah, expected by the Jerws of
+1 G.
Come back with a mind and a mouth that indicate yuo are ready to
receive.
No one really wants the green manure that you dump on the groups.
So really, why should anyone receive your false claims anyway. You
certaninly don't even know the history of your mythology, so you certainly
are not one to teach it in a rational manner.
You can't even tell the audience when Jerusalem was first settled, & it is
not in accordance with your mythology.
You can not even tell the audience when the followers of yahweh split from
the followers of el,
Nor can you tell the audience when the goiddesses were finally eliminated
from the worship of the Judaic [Jewish] tribes.
Who the hell appointed you to such a judgmental position?
You came to me with questions. If you want to receive answers, show
me and my God some respect.
Just who the hell are you top denmand others respect you when you show no
respect to others, yourself, or the gods of others.
You are contemmptable, & any god that permited the likes of you to espouse
its cause would wear tthe same shirt of rejection by decent people.
As to your pantheon, they are unworthy of respect according to your
greimorie, add to that the simple observation that they appear to be
terminally missing since science broke free from the church's control.
John W
Which john w persona are you trying to foist off on the unsuspecting
public this time jezebeth?
SNIP, the groups have gagged enough allready.
walksalone who notes john w is still unable to be civil, courteous, or act
as an educated person. & that is his most commopn persona.
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:01:22 -0800, Otis Pan <ibfreeme@hotmail.com>
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BTW, O P,
I know what your last name means; yuo fool no one. So go away, Satan!
John W
Tell me oh holy one, just what kind of a Christian ignores all the good of Jesus and wastes time
with devil hunting number crap? Are you trying to tell me that you are some kind of an authority
of good and evil? Who the hell appointed you to such a judgmental position? How about I do just
like you? I could easily demonstrate how idiots like you are the true demonic ones by helping to
divert the meaning of the bible as an instrument to teach good into a fools game of finding evil
where it does not exist! People like you are dime a dozen, it is so easy to be stupid, anyone
can do it. Your sleuthing here with 666 crap does zero to contribute to the body of Christ, you
are an ***** like so many authority wanna be's found on these groups. Why don't you get with
Pastor Frank's racist ***** and pervert the bible into a xenophobic instrument of hate. He calls
himself a Christian, why can't dumb asses like you do it too?
You are joke and anyone that gives you any kind of respectable discourse on your devil hunting
crap is too!
"John
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:54:33 -0800, Otis Pan <crap@dogshit.com> wrote:
Jezus H Christ are you ever full *****. Have you had family members ask you to get on
medication?
Good luck having people respond to you in a Christian group when your
first words curse God. And since I have no choice but to believe it
was premeditated, you have no class, demoniac!
John W
Are you on some kind of medication?
I note this line from below: "The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, "
I wonder... 1996, is this a number that reflects a devil sign?
You are one of the more classic examplse of the stupidity of religion. What a bunch
looser quacks.
How many human beings will this ***** effect in a religous way? Do you think it will
reduce starvation
or lost souls? It is all mental babble crap!
Dam you need to get out!
martus wrote:
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich
and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the
forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell who does
not have the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its
name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let anyone with
understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number
of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.
The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989 (Re
13:16). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
We know the beast people will have the 666 mark on their head but what
will it look like?
If we suppose that when John saw that mark it was the numeric hebrew
number 666 on the forehead then that information was translated into
the Greek for the common person to understand but what then would that
mark look like in hebrew numeric numbering?
The hebrew numbering for 666(six hundred and sixty six) looks very
like a representation of socket holes and this is what I believe is
the actual meaning of the mark.
This would explain why these people have been rejected by God because
by medical intervention they have a direct connection to their brain
which they download and upload emotions, information etc from the
computer via electrical impulses. They have become cyborg and unable
to tune to God because these false inputs have become their gods.
So much of the description of the false prophet and what he does found
in Revelation seems to directly infer to this computer technology of
our modern day.
The False Prophet will bring so many to hell through this technology
of pleasure control and information. Technology is not our saviour,
God is!
28 ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh;
and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I am Jehovah.
Young, R. (1997). Young's literal translation (Le 19:28). Oak Harbor:
Logos Research Systems.
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End times:
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31 Jan 2004 11:58:06 AM |
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My goodness people - look at yourselves!
Well have multiple people claiming to have special insight from God - one
who claims to have heard His voice, saying different things. What a great
witness for Christ my fiends. Why the disagreement? Because the Bible
doesn't give enough information to know exactly how the mark of the beast
will be used or applied. All you are able to do is speculate, and when
different people speculate they come up with different conclusions. Most
rational people can tell the difference between speculation and fact, but
not here. Some of you good people (and I mean that term sincerely) have
just simply lost touch with reality.
I'm beginning to see some common psychological traits:
1. Technophobia - the fear of technology. You are trying to contextualize
and justify this phobia by finding justification in your Christian faith.
This is common to some phobics - they look to justify their irrational fear.
People with an irrational fear of flying will justify their fear by pointing
to airplane crashes; the fact that more people are killed every year while
walking than by flying has no effect.
Many of the things you look to as being marks of the beast are
technology. Take some comfort in the fact that people freaked out and
thought the Tribulation was near when the musket, train, Gatling gun,
typewriter, telephone, automobile and airship were invented.
2. Paranoia - unknown people are using technology in a conspiracy - in this
case to trick you into serving the beast or accepting him mark. Look at
this paranoid stuff you have come up with:
"6" or "666" is embedded in barcodes. Sheesh - I've worked to program
barcode systems. "6" and "666" do come up from time to time, but no more
frequently than any other number or sequence of numbers. One product that I
remember had "666" in the barcode was a generic hemorrhoid cream. I'm sorry
to tell you guys this, but the Beast is not building an empire founded on
our itchy butts. Relax.
Every credit card has "666" in it. Nonsense. How do you prove it?
Because your bank manager won't give you access to the World Bank and
therefore has something to hide! Well, he does have something to hide -
everyone else's money from some nutbar!
ID Transponders have "666" embedded in them. Nonsense! I saw the test
read from my dog's transponder - there's no 666 in it. If my kids had
locating transponders in them, I'd rest much easier every time they went out
because I'd know if they were kidnapped they could be found. That's a good
thing my friends.
So what can I do? Must people with phobias and paranoia can't be helped
except by using prescription drugs to correct chemical imbalances. The most
I can do is provide council from the Word of God - you do know what the
Bible is, right - it's that thing you are supposed to use to learn about God
instead of Mayan calendars, Nostradamus, calculators, Hal Lindsey's and Tim
LaHaye's books and personal fantasy.
First, I note that all you folks who think "666" is embedded in barcodes,
credit cards and ID transponders never assert that the Beast's name is
embedded. What does the Word of God say about the Mark?
(Rev 13:16-17 NIV) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor,
free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, {17}
so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name
of the beast or the number of his name.
How come his name is never embedded? Is the Bible wrong? It's the NAME
*OR* the NUMBER, but you guys just think it's the number. This should be a
clue as to your imbalanced understanding.
Second, in what context is the mark of the beast given?
1. A great beast comes up out of the sea with 10 horns and 7 heads. He is
active for 42 months.
2. Another beast comes out of the earth. He makes all the inhabitants of
the earth worship the first beast.
3. The second beast makes a living image of the first beast. He causes
everyone who does not worship the image to be killed.
4. He also causes everyone of receive the mark.
My friends - until someone makes you worship something other then God on
pain of death, the mark is not existent. When I get my credit card
application sin the mail, it doesn't read "To accept this card, you must
provide the following information and worship the beast. Failure to do so
will result in your death." Strangely, when I buy my groceries, no one
holds a gun to my head to make me worship some false deity.
The mark comes after you are made to worship some false deity. Since
that hasn't happened yet, the mark IS NOT here.
Just relax. Stop being afraid of technology. Stop believing urban
legends. Stop speculating and thinking your guesses are fact.
Chris
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| User: "Don" |
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31 Jan 2004 12:33:00 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:58:06 GMT, "Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
My goodness people - look at yourselves!
Well have multiple people claiming to have special insight from God - one
who claims to have heard His voice, saying different things. What a great
witness for Christ my fiends. Why the disagreement?
I know that many females entering their 40s and especially 50s have
hormonal changes that occasionally will result in God visiting them or
speaking to them.
One of my lady friends, aged 56, said "God TOLD her" to leave this
specific church. She then attended a church for three years, pastored
by a "profit" who proclaimed several false prophesies, to which some
he admitted and others he ignored. Another lady friend said that God
touched her on the shoulder when she was in the shower. Hmmm?!?
One of our male members just mentioned that "God doesn't want [him] to
leave, just yet." Special insight? Perhaps.
I have another friend who, in the midst of an "elder board vs.
pastor/staff" conflict, suddenly felt that God was "leading" him to
take a church position in Salt Lake City, Utah. Of course, after
three years, when the pastor was not the kind, honest man my friend
expected him to be, suddenly God (again) lead him BACK TO TEXAS, his
home! Special insight...or just moving for convenience and blaming
God for it all?!?
All you are able to do is speculate, and when
different people speculate they come up with different conclusions. Most
rational people can tell the difference between speculation and fact, but
not here. Some of you good people (and I mean that term sincerely) have
just simply lost touch with reality.
Supposedly, the HOLY SPIRIT is supposed to lead people, but people are
rarely lead in the same direction while all claiming leadership of the
Holy Spirit.
Maybe the Holy Spirit has a bizarre sense of humor.
D*
"We ain't gone be po no mo."
- - Pastor Greg Powe, Atlanta
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| User: "The Last Church" |
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| Title: Re: PARANIOD DELUSIONS |
31 Jan 2004 09:40:14 PM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:33:00 -0600, Don
<calldonREMOVEIT@something.net> wrote:
Maybe the Holy Spirit has a bizarre sense of humor.
Well God certainly has a strong since of humor just ask a
platypus. And the platypus thinks humans are the funniest
things on the planet. I agree with the platypus!
..
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A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: PARANIOD DELUSIONS |
02 Feb 2004 07:33:31 AM |
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:58:06 GMT, "Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
My goodness people - look at yourselves!
Well have multiple people claiming to have special insight from God - one
who claims to have heard His voice, saying different things.
Actually, the belief that one has seen God in some visible form is not
uncommon. And we see the same claim in both Testaments.
The experience of hearing God's voice is also not unheard of. And the
test, as Paul taught us, is NOT "did yuo hear a voice?" but "What did
the voice say?" If the person who heard the voice tells you he was
told to kill everyone on his block; such a message questionable.
However, if the person tells you God told him something and the
message relayed, as in my chase, is NOT contra-scriptural.
God cannot speak to us if our ears and our eyes and our hearts remain
closed.
John W
What a great
witness for Christ my fiends. Why the disagreement? Because the Bible
doesn't give enough information to know exactly how the mark of the beast
will be used or applied. All you are able to do is speculate, and when
different people speculate they come up with different conclusions. Most
rational people can tell the difference between speculation and fact, but
not here. Some of you good people (and I mean that term sincerely) have
just simply lost touch with reality.
I'm beginning to see some common psychological traits:
1. Technophobia - the fear of technology. You are trying to contextualize
and justify this phobia by finding justification in your Christian faith.
This is common to some phobics - they look to justify their irrational fear.
People with an irrational fear of flying will justify their fear by pointing
to airplane crashes; the fact that more people are killed every year while
walking than by flying has no effect.
Many of the things you look to as being marks of the beast are
technology. Take some comfort in the fact that people freaked out and
thought the Tribulation was near when the musket, train, Gatling gun,
typewriter, telephone, automobile and airship were invented.
2. Paranoia - unknown people are using technology in a conspiracy - in this
case to trick you into serving the beast or accepting him mark. Look at
this paranoid stuff you have come up with:
"6" or "666" is embedded in barcodes. Sheesh - I've worked to program
barcode systems. "6" and "666" do come up from time to time, but no more
frequently than any other number or sequence of numbers. One product that I
remember had "666" in the barcode was a generic hemorrhoid cream. I'm sorry
to tell you guys this, but the Beast is not building an empire founded on
our itchy butts. Relax.
Every credit card has "666" in it. Nonsense. How do you prove it?
Because your bank manager won't give you access to the World Bank and
therefore has something to hide! Well, he does have something to hide -
everyone else's money from some nutbar!
ID Transponders have "666" embedded in them. Nonsense! I saw the test
read from my dog's transponder - there's no 666 in it. If my kids had
locating transponders in them, I'd rest much easier every time they went out
because I'd know if they were kidnapped they could be found. That's a good
thing my friends.
So what can I do? Must people with phobias and paranoia can't be helped
except by using prescription drugs to correct chemical imbalances. The most
I can do is provide council from the Word of God - you do know what the
Bible is, right - it's that thing you are supposed to use to learn about God
instead of Mayan calendars, Nostradamus, calculators, Hal Lindsey's and Tim
LaHaye's books and personal fantasy.
First, I note that all you folks who think "666" is embedded in barcodes,
credit cards and ID transponders never assert that the Beast's name is
embedded. What does the Word of God say about the Mark?
(Rev 13:16-17 NIV) He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor,
free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, {17}
so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name
of the beast or the number of his name.
How come his name is never embedded? Is the Bible wrong? It's the NAME
*OR* the NUMBER, but you guys just think it's the number. This should be a
clue as to your imbalanced understanding.
Second, in what context is the mark of the beast given?
1. A great beast comes up out of the sea with 10 horns and 7 heads. He is
active for 42 months.
2. Another beast comes out of the earth. He makes all the inhabitants of
the earth worship the first beast.
3. The second beast makes a living image of the first beast. He causes
everyone who does not worship the image to be killed.
4. He also causes everyone of receive the mark.
My friends - until someone makes you worship something other then God on
pain of death, the mark is not existent. When I get my credit card
application sin the mail, it doesn't read "To accept this card, you must
provide the following information and worship the beast. Failure to do so
will result in your death." Strangely, when I buy my groceries, no one
holds a gun to my head to make me worship some false deity.
The mark comes after you are made to worship some false deity. Since
that hasn't happened yet, the mark IS NOT here.
Just relax. Stop being afraid of technology. Stop believing urban
legends. Stop speculating and thinking your guesses are fact.
Chris
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: PARANIOD DELUSIONS |
02 Feb 2004 10:57:06 PM |
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John @yahoo.com> attempted to bs himself with the following, alas, all
it really did is verify it doesn't even know th history of its own myth.
Followups set to trolls home group, arcb. His claim, not theirs.
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:58:06 GMT, "Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net>
wrote:
My goodness people - look at yourselves!
Well have multiple people claiming to have special insight from God - one
who claims to have heard His voice, saying different things.
Actually, the belief that one has seen God in some visible form is not
uncommon. And we see the same claim in both Testaments.
Really?? & the claim that none have seen him, as opposed to the opposite
claim is explained just how. & no, yaweh is noit ever eyeballed in the
NT, & very rarely in the OT. El is even more elusive.
The experience of hearing God's voice is also not unheard of. And the
test, as Paul taught us, is NOT "did yuo hear a voice?" but "What did
the voice say?" If the person who heard the voice tells you he was
told to kill everyone on his block; such a message questionable.
Such a message is scriptual, or did you miss those parts about the
claimed exodus & the genocide of the native Canaanite preople during the
theft of their lands???
However, if the person tells you God told him something and the
message relayed, as in my chase, is NOT contra-scriptural.
Right, god told you so, anyone else is the receiver of false mnessages.
Got it, not that anyone believes you.
God cannot speak to us if our ears and our eyes and our hearts remain
closed.
If it really is a god, & is so limited, that is a rather puny god you
worship.
John W
Which john w, the perpetual teller of falsehoods according to google, or
the one engaged in an ongoing effort to prove to itself that it has
nothing to say?? Hard to tell them apart.
SNIPPED, jw had nothing to say, as usual, & I could care less.
walkslaone who notes that per usual, jw had nothing to say & wanted the
news groups to know it by displaying his lack of knowledge about his
mythology.
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| User: "William" |
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| Title: Re: PARANIOD DELUSIONS |
02 Feb 2004 09:23:42 AM |
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On 2 Feb 2004 13:33:31 GMT, John <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
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"Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net>wrote:
My goodness people - look at yourselves!
Well have multiple people claiming to have special insight from God - one
who claims to have heard His voice, saying different things.
Actually, the belief that one has seen God in some visible form is not
uncommon.
Except that the bible clearly states that no-one has seen God at any
time.
And we see the same claim in both Testaments.
The experience of hearing God's voice is also not unheard of. And the
test, as Paul taught us, is NOT "did yuo hear a voice?" but "What did
the voice say?" If the person who heard the voice tells you he was
told to kill everyone on his block; such a message questionable.
Not at all. Deut 7:2 "and when the LORD your God gives them over to
you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you
shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them."
Apparently it happens a lot.
William
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| User: "Don" |
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| Title: Re: PARANIOD DELUSIONS |
02 Feb 2004 01:13:05 PM |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:23:42 GMT, (William)
wrote:
On 2 Feb 2004 13:33:31 GMT, John <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Chris" <vze235xx@nospamverizon.net>wrote:
My goodness people - look at yourselves!
Well have multiple people claiming to have special insight from God - one
who claims to have heard His voice, saying different things.
Actually, the belief that one has seen God in some visible form is not
uncommon.
Except that the bible clearly states that no-one has seen God at any
time.
The Bible clearly states that if you have seen Jesus, you have seen
the Father.
John 14:9, " he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;"
John 15:24, " but now have they...seen...both me and my Father."
D*
"You stupid smuck can't you read the Holy Bible, and not your demonic
occult books jew boy. We don't need your lying demonic idiotic self in
here you stupid evil Jew. Yes we know you serve Satan, as your master
Jew! Go to HELL Jew you be there soon enough you atheist dog!"
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
"You open your mouth fool and just prove my point you stupid moron
demonic devil,"
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
"Eliyahu look you brain dead demonic lying demon from Hell Jew your
nothing but a lying jackass, an asinine idiot with the Iq of a gnat.
So much for you Eliyahu the lying demonic Jew, Satan Worsipper.
Jew devil go back to HELL where you came from Jew."
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
"I had wonder if you really were a dumb and then you open your
big mouth and remove all doubt!"
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
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