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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"sharon" |
| Date: |
29 Nov 2003 12:11:25 AM |
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Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know (be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
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What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits, lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards, mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological, and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
29 Nov 2003 07:55:14 AM |
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homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
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| User: "Adrian Miles-Davros" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
29 Nov 2003 04:53:13 PM |
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"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's >
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing argument.
Adrian
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| User: "Erica" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
29 Nov 2003 05:20:44 PM |
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In article <bqb7v5$20nac9$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's >
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing argument.
Adrian
Yes, it looks like she's quoting a response to an article she wrote, and
putting her rebuttal to that response after.
Sharon, it could be clearer that's what you're doing. You might want to
label each part very specifically so that people realize the first part
is not you talking. I've gotten confused on your posts too.
Erica
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
29 Nov 2003 07:11:09 PM |
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"Erica" <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:scribe53151nospam-65A2B2.17204429112003@newshost1.news.tds.net...
In article <bqb7v5$20nac9$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's >
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian
to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing
argument.
Adrian
Yes, it looks like she's quoting a response to an article she wrote, and
putting her rebuttal to that response after.
No, I was quoting a Christian over in alt.christnet.theology and rebutted
what she said about homosexuality being "unnatural" and against God's "order
of things"--- why would God's order of things, have farm animals exhibiting
homosexual behavior? I didn't bother to mention it, but what about
hermaphrodites? Is it God's order of things to be alone without a mate?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/11/06/male.worms.ap/
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Male sex is important even for the lowly nematode, a soil
worm that can reproduce without the masculine gender. A new study shows that
keeping guys around may be essential to survival of the species.
Researchers long have wondered why the male nematode continues to exist
since the simple worm reproduces so well without a partner. The answer, says
Elizabeth B. Goodwin, a University of Wisconsin researcher, is that when
conditions are tough, the male makes a key genetic contribution to keep the
species going.
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/AsexualReproduction
..html
Asexual reproduction is the formation of new individuals from the cell(s) of
a single parent.
Sounds like an "order of things" that favors diversity in sexuality --- and
it is completely natural.
Sharon, it could be clearer that's what you're doing. You might want to
label each part very specifically so that people realize the first part
is not you talking. I've gotten confused on your posts too.
Erica
Here's the specific "Christian" which I was quoting... I figured it didn't
matter much about the exact Christian... they all sound the same to me...
----- Original Message -----
From: "sue_rochford29" <sue_rochford29@btopenworld.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.theology
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Homosexuality - A Brief Word Study in the Pentateuch
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know (understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat
on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's order
of
things.
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| User: "the cutest atheist" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
29 Nov 2003 07:32:55 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:6064ab20d9b05e89b79658a09350e6f5@news.secureusenet.com...
"Erica" <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:scribe53151nospam-65A2B2.17204429112003@newshost1.news.tds.net...
In article <bqb7v5$20nac9$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian
to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing
argument.
Adrian
Yes, it looks like she's quoting a response to an article she wrote, and
putting her rebuttal to that response after.
No, I was quoting a Christian over in alt.christnet.theology
well, pass my criticisms on to her then...sorry, it did look like you were
the original poster for that sentence :)
and rebutted
what she said about homosexuality being "unnatural" and against God's
"order
of things"--- why would God's order of things, have farm animals
exhibiting
homosexual behavior? I didn't bother to mention it, but what about
hermaphrodites? Is it God's order of things to be alone without a mate?
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/11/06/male.worms.ap/
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Male sex is important even for the lowly nematode, a
soil
worm that can reproduce without the masculine gender. A new study shows
that
keeping guys around may be essential to survival of the species.
Researchers long have wondered why the male nematode continues to exist
since the simple worm reproduces so well without a partner. The answer,
says
Elizabeth B. Goodwin, a University of Wisconsin researcher, is that when
conditions are tough, the male makes a key genetic contribution to keep
the
species going.
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/AsexualReproduction
.html
Asexual reproduction is the formation of new individuals from the cell(s)
of
a single parent.
Sounds like an "order of things" that favors diversity in sexuality ---
and
it is completely natural.
Sharon, it could be clearer that's what you're doing. You might want to
label each part very specifically so that people realize the first part
is not you talking. I've gotten confused on your posts too.
Erica
Here's the specific "Christian" which I was quoting... I figured it didn't
matter much about the exact Christian... they all sound the same to me...
----- Original Message -----
From: "sue_rochford29" <sue_rochford29@btopenworld.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.theology
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Homosexuality - A Brief Word Study in the Pentateuch
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew
has
more than one meaning. I can know (understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat
on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's order
of
things.
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| User: "Erica" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
29 Nov 2003 11:20:16 PM |
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In article <6064ab20d9b05e89b79658a09350e6f5@news.secureusenet.com>,
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
(snippage)
Sharon, it could be clearer that's what you're doing. You might want to
label each part very specifically so that people realize the first part
is not you talking. I've gotten confused on your posts too.
Erica
Here's the specific "Christian" which I was quoting... I figured it didn't
matter much about the exact Christian... they all sound the same to me...
Doesn't matter really, as long as we know it's not you speaking.
----- Original Message -----
From: "sue_rochford29" <sue_rochford29@btopenworld.com>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.theology
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Homosexuality - A Brief Word Study in the Pentateuch
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know (understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat
on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's order
of
things.
Actuall,y I was talking more about form than content, something like:
Christian: blah, blah, blah.
Sharon replies: yadda, yadda, yadda.
So much easier to see what's coming from whom.
Not telling you what to do, just suggesting for the sake of clarity.
Erica
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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22 Dec 2003 08:58:54 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 01:11:09 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
"Erica" <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:scribe53151nospam-65A2B2.17204429112003@newshost1.news.tds.net...
In article <bqb7v5$20nac9$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's >
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian
to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing
argument.
Adrian
Yes, it looks like she's quoting a response to an article she wrote, and
putting her rebuttal to that response after.
No, I was quoting a Christian over in alt.christnet.theology and rebutted
what she said about homosexuality being "unnatural" and against God's "order
of things"--- why would God's order of things, have farm animals exhibiting
homosexual behavior? I didn't bother to mention it, but what about
hermaphrodites? Is it God's order of things to be alone without a mate?
What about people with three sexes?
-Barry
========
Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "stoney" |
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24 Dec 2003 09:40:41 AM |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:58:54 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<brbfuv4il52sl6ol5mtpogjhcksb32mfip@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 01:11:09 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
"Erica" <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:scribe53151nospam-65A2B2.17204429112003@newshost1.news.tds.net...
In article <bqb7v5$20nac9$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's >
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian
to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing
argument.
Adrian
Yes, it looks like she's quoting a response to an article she wrote, and
putting her rebuttal to that response after.
No, I was quoting a Christian over in alt.christnet.theology and rebutted
what she said about homosexuality being "unnatural" and against God's "order
of things"--- why would God's order of things, have farm animals exhibiting
homosexual behavior? I didn't bother to mention it, but what about
hermaphrodites? Is it God's order of things to be alone without a mate?
What about people with three sexes?
?????
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
24 Dec 2003 09:46:33 PM |
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===>Nature is all there is.
Hence, NOTHING that ever happens can be "unnatural". -- L.
stoney wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:58:54 +1100, Barry OGrady
<god_freee_jones@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<brbfuv4il52sl6ol5mtpogjhcksb32mfip@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 01:11:09 GMT, "sharon" <*...@....com> wrote:
"Erica" <scribe53151nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:scribe53151nospam-65A2B2.17204429112003@newshost1.news.tds.net...
In article <bqb7v5$20nac9$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"the cutest atheist" <herdofnerd(remove)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6z1yb.32280$aT.27178@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
lucky there is no god then, you *****. leave other people's >
sexuality alone. if you don't like it, stop renting gay porn
I think Sharon is supporting homosexuality rather than denigrating it.
Thank you Sharon, if I may I will refer a certain homophobic christian
to
your post, it should add some interesting insights to our ongoing
argument.
Adrian
Yes, it looks like she's quoting a response to an article she wrote, and
putting her rebuttal to that response after.
No, I was quoting a Christian over in alt.christnet.theology and rebutted
what she said about homosexuality being "unnatural" and against God's "order
of things"--- why would God's order of things, have farm animals exhibiting
homosexual behavior? I didn't bother to mention it, but what about
hermaphrodites? Is it God's order of things to be alone without a mate?
What about people with three sexes?
?????
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Roadrunner" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
02 Dec 2003 04:07:39 AM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know (be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
It is this simple. You don't get offspring from homosexuality do we. So it
is counter evolution and creation
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
02 Dec 2003 09:28:10 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:LvZyb.40336$dP1.152037@newsc.telia.net...
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew
has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos
on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
It is this simple. You don't get offspring from homosexuality do we. So
it
is counter evolution and creation
You don't get offspring from a lot of human behaviors.
Including some heterosexuals that don't produce offspring.
Does that make them wrong?
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
02 Dec 2003 11:35:43 AM |
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
news:LvZyb.40336$dP1.152037@newsc.telia.net...
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew
has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end
fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on
its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and
against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things
I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order
of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is
a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls,
cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female
macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior
has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos
on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten
ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social,
psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
Roadrunner:
It is this simple. You don't get offspring from homosexuality do we.
So
it
is counter evolution and creation
Sharon:
You don't get offspring from a lot of human behaviors.
Including some heterosexuals that don't produce offspring.
Does that make them wrong?
I've got another question for you Roadrunner... what you're saying is that
anything that disrupts "the nature of things in the reproduction process" is
not acceptable.
So, birth control is an abomination to you? Condoms, birth control pills,
etc etc...
these too, interfere with reproduction like homosexuality.
what about people who take fertility drugs, and spawn 4 or 5 kids, vs. 1 ...
they've disrupted the "normal flow of things" by nature (God). Have they
committed some sin? By normal standards they'd have 1 baby ... By nature,
they wouldn't have a baby... with modern medical science, some can now.
Is it a sin to play God like that? Remember scripture teaches God is the one
who opens the womb. So, have they the right to play God?
Gn:29:31: And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but
Rachel was barren. Gn:30:22: And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to
her, and opened her womb.
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03 Dec 2003 07:59:17 AM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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"Roadrunner" <pegasus@privat.utfors.se> wrote in message
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does
not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word
know/knew
has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can
know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end
fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on
its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and
against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of
things
I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order
of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it
is
a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look
at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls,
cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes,
rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female
macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior
has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and
photos
on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten
ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social,
psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
Roadrunner:
It is this simple. You don't get offspring from homosexuality do we.
So
it
is counter evolution and creation
Sharon:
You don't get offspring from a lot of human behaviors.
Including some heterosexuals that don't produce offspring.
Does that make them wrong?
I've got another question for you Roadrunner... what you're saying is that
anything that disrupts "the nature of things in the reproduction process"
is
not acceptable.
I wouldn't say not acceptable. I would rather say not directly
'pro-creation'.
So, birth control is an abomination to you? Condoms, birth control pills,
etc etc...
these too, interfere with reproduction like homosexuality.
No, it isn't for me. Abortion on the other hand used as a method of
birthcontrol I have problems with.
what about people who take fertility drugs, and spawn 4 or 5 kids, vs. 1
....
they've disrupted the "normal flow of things" by nature (God). Have they
committed some sin? By normal standards they'd have 1 baby ... By nature,
they wouldn't have a baby... with modern medical science, some can now.
I for one would not care if my offspring would not carry my genes. I'm
thinking about an adopted child. For many this seems to be an issue, I
wouldn't care less. I would love it unconditionally either way. It is the
one raising it who is the actual father or mother in my opinion.
Is it a sin to play God like that? Remember scripture teaches God is the
one
who opens the womb. So, have they the right to play God?
Gn:29:31: And when the Lord saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb:
but
Rachel was barren. Gn:30:22: And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened
to
her, and opened her womb.
I wonder, who is actually this God? I have problems to see that this God is
so lovable, he wasn't very nice to Job for instance. And why should he need
to prove himself for satan?
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04 Dec 2003 08:18:25 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:07:39 GMT, "Roadrunner"
<pegasus@privat.utfors.se>, Message ID:
<LvZyb.40336$dP1.152037@newsc.telia.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know (be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
It is this simple. You don't get offspring from homosexuality do we. So it
is counter evolution and creation
Congradulations on demonstrating your vast ignorance. Yes, homosexuals
do have children. Whether they do or do not is not 'counter evolution.'
Creation as in manuafacuring is merely a theist fantasy.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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29 Nov 2003 09:38:03 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
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snip
Good work Sharon...
Anyhoo, homosexuality must be natural because I observe it often without the
need for any supernatural cause.
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| User: "Diederik" |
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01 Dec 2003 06:48:07 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know (be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits, lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards, mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological, and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sa
Homosexual behavior has even been observed in parasites. I don't
recall the species but it was mentioned in Parasite Rex by Carl
Zimmer.
Diederik
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
01 Dec 2003 07:26:18 PM |
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"Diederik" <diederik_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a012326d.0312011648.6cb754cd@posting.google.com...
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew
has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos
on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sa
Homosexual behavior has even been observed in parasites. I don't
recall the species but it was mentioned in Parasite Rex by Carl
Zimmer.
Diederik
What about ants... and honeybees. So I read the female worker bees toss out
the drones, to avoid having to feed them during the winter.
The Queen can stay, the drones aren't welcomed.
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| User: "Diederik" |
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03 Dec 2003 06:23:34 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:<a254380ee88bf3a6bbc8fdd2251b420d@news.secureusenet.com>...
"Diederik" <diederik_b@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a012326d.0312011648.6cb754cd@posting.google.com...
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not
mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew
has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know
(be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
---------
What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its
face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I
am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at
that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits,
lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards,
mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos
on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological,
and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sa
Homosexual behavior has even been observed in parasites. I don't
recall the species but it was mentioned in Parasite Rex by Carl
Zimmer.
Diederik
What about ants... and honeybees. So I read the female worker bees toss out
the drones, to avoid having to feed them during the winter.
The Queen can stay, the drones aren't welcomed.
I wouldn't call that homosexual behaviour. The parasites actually
copulated. Scientists tried to seperate them and they got back
together and started having sex again. The drones are unneccessary
except for sexual purposes. If ants are like bees, males are haploid
and so males are not needed to produce more males. Any unfertilized
egg will turn into a male. Considering that bees and ants are both in
Hymenoptera, there is a good chance this is the case.
Diederik
Diederik
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| User: "Dave" |
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01 Dec 2003 07:41:53 PM |
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary to those of men?
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| User: "sharon" |
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01 Dec 2003 08:51:30 PM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary to those
of men?
Doesn't science teach that males are totally excess baggage in nature?
--
Googled "cloning male not needed"
cloning
.... male cloning animal you need female's womb. After all the fact that only
female can
give birth to a baby doesn't change. In the future male will not be needed
....
www.educ.ls.toyaku.ac.jp/~s977079/content.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
Study suggests why males are needed
.... is male, with one X chromosome. Since the worm can self-replicate,
researchers
wonder, why would the species continue to make males if they are not needed?
....
www.msnbc.com/news/990101.asp?0bl=-0
Cloning
.... to reproduce without dependency on a male sperm donor ... Concern:
Cloning is contrary
to "natural selection" and ... because it's not needed for survival of our
species ...
Description: Douglas Dunn examines ethical considerations. Written by an
identical twin (one of "nature's clones").
Category: Society > Philosophy > ... > Applied > Bioethics > Cloning > Human
www.wordwiz72.com/cloning.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
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02 Dec 2003 02:46:51 AM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:5591d176.0312011741.af4483c@posting.google.com...
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message
news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary to those
of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Adrian
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| User: "Dave" |
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03 Dec 2003 01:42:19 PM |
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"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bqhjfv$1usjhi$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
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| User: "sharon" |
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03 Dec 2003 07:19:11 PM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bqhjfv$1usjhi$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
But they can speak for the "The Lord" and helped author Scripture?
2Chr:34:22: And Hilkiah, and they that the king had appointed, went to
Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvath, the son of
Hasrah, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the
college:) and they spake to her to that effect.
2Chr:34:23: And she answered them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Tell
ye the man that sent you to me,
2Chr:34:24: Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place,
and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in
the book which they have read before the king of Judah:
2Chr:34:25: Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto
other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their
hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not
be quenched.
2Chr:34:26:And as for the king of Judah, who sent you to enquire of the
Lord, so shall ye say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel concerning
the words which thou hast heard;
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| User: "Adrian Miles-Davros" |
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03 Dec 2003 03:36:07 PM |
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to >
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
Because we as a society have hopefully evolved from the time when such
teachings were used to keep over half the population in thrall.
That sort of delusional idea of following a mistranslated manuscript which
was deliberately used to maintain a hegemonic construct of church and state
should be totally outdated now.
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03 Dec 2003 07:20:13 PM |
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"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Dave" <galt_57@hotmail.com> wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
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Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to >
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
Because we as a society have hopefully evolved from the time when such
teachings were used to keep over half the population in thrall.
That sort of delusional idea of following a mistranslated manuscript which
was deliberately used to maintain a hegemonic construct of church and
state
should be totally outdated now.
I don't know where he got the idea I cared to be a "Priest" anyway.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
04 Dec 2003 08:11:03 PM |
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On 3 Dec 2003 11:42:19 -0800, (Dave), Message ID:
<5591d176.0312031142.2260c2a9@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bqhjfv$1usjhi$1@ID-207900.news.uni-berlin.de>...
"Dave" < > wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
Why shouldn't she be?
1) The Bible has no legal standing in the U.S..
2) Christians violate the Bible on an almost consistent basis.
3) The Bible teaches many lies, flat errors, and contradicts itself all
over the place. It is good only as a window into a bronze age culture
some two millenia dead.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
05 Dec 2003 10:04:45 AM |
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stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<83qvsvg69jn8d7qvpv6nvltce272jq61v2@4ax.com>...
On 3 Dec (Dave), wrote in alt.atheism;
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dave" < > wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
Why shouldn't she be?
1) The Bible has no legal standing in the U.S..
2) Christians violate the Bible on an almost consistent basis.
3) The Bible teaches many lies, flat errors, and contradicts itself all
over the place. It is good only as a window into a bronze age culture
some two millenia dead.
What I'm asking is why don't more women reject it utterly?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
07 Dec 2003 12:22:20 AM |
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On 5 Dec 2003 08:04:45 -0800, (Dave), Message ID:
<5591d176.0312050804.7c72f9c0@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<83qvsvg69jn8d7qvpv6nvltce272jq61v2@4ax.com>...
On 3 Dec (Dave), wrote in alt.atheism;
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_davros@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dave" < > wrote in message:
"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message:
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
[...]
Doesn't the Bible teach that the opinions of women are secondary
to those of men?
Fucking Idiot!
Why should a woman be commenting on the Bible when this is contrary to
Biblical teaching? Women are not to be priests, etc...
Why shouldn't she be?
1) The Bible has no legal standing in the U.S..
2) Christians violate the Bible on an almost consistent basis.
3) The Bible teaches many lies, flat errors, and contradicts itself all
over the place. It is good only as a window into a bronze age culture
some two millenia dead.
What I'm asking is why don't more women reject it utterly?
Ah. Sorry, I misunderstood. Reasons differ according to the person,
but some possibilities are:
1) Childhood indoctrination is too strong.
2) They don't read the tome or just the safe stuff.
3) /cue "divine plan, greater good' and other empty prattle.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "MaryC" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
02 Dec 2003 12:03:00 AM |
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"sharon" wrote
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
Nature includes a whole lot of things that would shake up
people who want the bible to be their main source of
information. But anyway why should "natural" as opposed
to "unnatural" be the most important standard in judging
whether something is good for human society? What could
be more unnatural than both mother and baby surviving
a birth when the baby's head is too big to fit through
the mother's pelvis? Nevertheless, I'm all for necessary
C-sections. Likewise, I'm in favor of artifically boosting
our immunity to deadly viruses, and learning how to
regenerate organs like the liver and pancreas. I've got
nothing against putting people into comas while their
brains recover from trauma-induced swelling. I think it's
OK that we store far more knowledge than anyone can
memorize in the form of print and computer bytes. I can
even accept the fact that people move in cars, trains
and planes at rates far beyond the capacity of their
own legs. If same sex love proved to be a human cultural
rather than a biological phenomenon--so what?
MaryC
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| User: "sharon" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
02 Dec 2003 12:31:53 AM |
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"MaryC" <combs-bachmann@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:ddb0303a.0312012203.6c831859@posting.google.com...
"sharon" wrote
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end
fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's
order of things.
Nature includes a whole lot of things that would shake up
people who want the bible to be their main source of
information. But anyway why should "natural" as opposed
to "unnatural" be the most important standard in judging
whether something is good for human society? What could
be more unnatural than both mother and baby surviving
a birth when the baby's head is too big to fit through
the mother's pelvis? Nevertheless, I'm all for necessary
C-sections. Likewise, I'm in favor of artifically boosting
Women are suppose to die with such pregnacies according to scripture.
For Eve's sin --- her pain should be multiplied.
May every woman who gets an epideral during labor, feel deep guilt.
They'll turn around and say God made this miracle in modern medicine
happen... why wait thousands of years to undo what was done in Eden, through
medical science.. why not just remove this "curse"... ?
our immunity to deadly viruses, and learning how to
regenerate organs like the liver and pancreas. I've got
nothing against putting people into comas while their
brains recover from trauma-induced swelling. I think it's
OK that we store far more knowledge than anyone can
memorize in the form of print and computer bytes. I can
even accept the fact that people move in cars, trains
and planes at rates far beyond the capacity of their
own legs. If same sex love proved to be a human cultural
rather than a biological phenomenon--so what?
MaryC
True.
It is natural for a mother to love her offspring...
I remember one story, of a brave little cat who had her kittens in a
building that caught on fire... and it made headlines --- this cat kept
returning into the fire, to pull out her kittens.
I saw another female cat, which ate the heads off her kittens.
Here is something fairly normal ---
It is natural to hate and fear what we don't understand...
and that is a reason there is so much homophobia, bigotry, sexism.....
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| User: "John Baptist" |
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| Title: Re: Is Homosexuality Unnatural? |
01 Dec 2003 08:33:45 PM |
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Well .... Let's see here.
Maybe the question is a little off. So many here believe that
because it has been found in a few minor instances in nature,
that h.s. is naturual, and therefore, somehow, something that
God created and condones.
But .... I don't think so.
Is there homosexuality in heaven?
Is there homosexuality in hell?
Are there lesbians in heaven?
Are there lesbians in hell?
Is there any sex in heaven?
Is there any sex in hell?
If so, how would you describe it?
Don't know the answer?
Get down. And ask the boss upstairs what he thinks.
What is the light that he would have you see?
Happy contemplations.
Another thought. There is a lot of sin in the bible (murder
of a number of people for one) that is specifically pointed out
as being forbidden in the 10 commandments. Just because you
found an instance of it in the Bible doesn't mean it comes with
God's stamp of approval. There is more meaning within that you
are supposed to get.
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"sharon" <*...@....com> wrote in message news:<156f63e060dbd13d31c96195afa7ee2d@news.secureusenet.com>...
A Christian Wrote against my article located at:
Was the Wickedness of Sodom Homosexuality?
http://www.christainfaith.com/articles/knew_know.html
Just because there is more than one meaning to a single word does not mean
that you can exclude one meaning. In basic English the word know/knew has
more than one meaning. I can know understand/comprehend) or I can know (be
acquainted with) one referring to a situation the other to a person.
Any excuse/attempt to try to justify homosexuality will in the end fall
flat on it's face, homesexuality is totally unnatural and against God's
order of things.
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What our friend is overlooking, is that her reasoning falls flat on its face
when put under scrutiny. Homosexuality is totally unnatural and against
God's order of things? Okay...
Slavery is condoned in the Bible. That's part of God's order of things I am
to assume.
Pulygamy is condoned in the Bible. That too is a part of God's order of
things.
Concubinage is condoned in the Bible. We are to also assume that it is a
part of God's order of things.
As for homosexual behavior being "unnatural"... let us take a look at that.
http://cornellcollege.edu/psychology/cours..._research.shtml
Homosexual behavior has been observed in barnyard animals (bulls, cows,
stallions, donkeys, cats, rams goats, pigs), 18 species in captivity
(including rats, antelope, elephants, hyenas, monkeys, apes, rabbits, lions,
porcupines, hamsters, mice, porpoises). For example, two female macaque
monkeys were observed giving each other orgasms. Homosexual behavior has
also been observed in several species in the wild-- anolis lizards, mountain
sheep, seagulls, langurs, bonobo chimpanzees.
See book on reserve in the library, starting p.99, for info and photos on
homosexuality in bonobos: De Waal, F. (1997). Bonobo: The forgotten ape.
Berkeley: University of California Press. Weinrich, J. D. (1982). Is
homosexuality biological natural? In W. Paul, J. D. Weinrich, J. C.
Gonsiorek, & M. E. Hotvedt (Eds.), Homosexuality: Social, psychological, and
biological issues. Beverly Hills, CA: Sage.
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