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Religions > Bible |
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"Transition Zone" |
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26 Feb 2004 07:28:19 AM |
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is it true ?? |
Well, I guess I have wondered whether it was pure coincidence or not
that King Herod tried to kill all of the kids born at the same time
Jesus was - in an attempt to kill Jesus.
Since the cart never comes before the horse, it's the one not-very-
coincidental-appearing act of nature that makes one wonder about the
New Testament.
Well. The other quote in all of the testaments is: Isaiah 40:22: "It
is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a
curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
It's not very coincidental that 2 or 3000 year-old men wearing togas
would know how the earth looked as it orbited in space, either. Makes
you wonder if it isn't all true after all.
Pretty scary.
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 09:28:57 AM |
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On Thu 26 Feb 2004 08:35:58a, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> kicked
back with a beer, ruminated at length, fell asleep, woke up, lit up a
joint, then fell asleep again after thoughtfully blurting out:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:f034682623d0e6f725abddbb0c426e68@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:12:50 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
No evidence of that happening whatsoever.
On the contrary, the Bible lays out that evidence for all to see.
Since you appear to think that because something is in a book, it
is true,
Oh? Where did I say that?
You didn't? Ok then we agree. Since nothing is true just because it
is in a book, there is no reason to asume Herod killed those babies.
You began well, then faltered, since there IS a reason to assume Herod
killed those babies. In fact, the Bible clearly lays out that reason
- he wanted to kill the Christ child.
No, you see, that would be Herod's reason for doing it -- *if* he actually
did it. That's not a reason for us to believe he did it. Allow me to
demonstrate:
I claim that Pope John Paul II burns babies alive and eats them for the
purpose of Satanic rituals. You point out that there is no reason to
believe that, and I respond brilliantly with, "You began well, then
faltered, since there IS a reason to assume John Paul II burns alive and
eats babies. In fact, I've clearly laid out that reason -- he wants his
Satanic rituals to work!"
Now you see, I've proven (by your own logic) that Pope John Paul burns
babies alive and eats them! What's even more interesting is that I could
insert any name -- not necessarily the Pope's -- into that proof, and thus
I've conclusively proven that EVERYBODY burns babies alive and eats them!
Even you! Even me! Even the President! Even your own dear mamma!
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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| User: "W.Syme" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 08:28:38 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:35:58 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You didn't? Ok then we agree. Since nothing is true just because it is
in a book, there is no reason to asume Herod killed those babies.
You began well, then faltered, since there IS a reason to assume Herod
killed those babies. In fact, the Bible clearly lays out that reason - he
wanted to kill the Christ child.
Yeah that's right. Because he had a reason to kill those babies, he
did.
Also, I know a goblin stole my carkeys this morning. I know for sure,
because he had a good reason to. Goblins like carkeys. They collect
them.
--
Stil waiting for a xtian to prove to me that goblins don't exist. You can't do it, can you?
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| User: "John Fraud Kerry" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 08:49:33 AM |
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"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:ae290cdf1c39d1a0fd87cb2cab439372@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:35:58 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You didn't? Ok then we agree. Since nothing is true just because it is
in a book, there is no reason to asume Herod killed those babies.
You began well, then faltered, since there IS a reason to assume Herod
killed those babies. In fact, the Bible clearly lays out that reason -
he
wanted to kill the Christ child.
Yeah that's right. Because he had a reason to kill those babies, he
did.
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then you
start whining?
Also, I know a goblin stole my carkeys this morning. I know for sure,
because he had a good reason to. Goblins like carkeys. They collect
them.
Whatever. In any event, you have now been informed of the reason why Heron
had a reason to kill those babies.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 05:18:03 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:ae290cdf1c39d1a0fd87cb2cab439372@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:35:58 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You didn't? Ok then we agree. Since nothing is true just because it is
in a book, there is no reason to asume Herod killed those babies.
You began well, then faltered, since there IS a reason to assume Herod
killed those babies. In fact, the Bible clearly lays out that reason -
he
wanted to kill the Christ child.
Yeah that's right. Because he had a reason to kill those babies, he
did.
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then you
start whining?
No, you didn't. You pretended that it happened because the bible says
so.
To somebody you knew wasn't Christian - which is just being stupid.
And it is also an admission that you can't give a reason because if
you had one that would convince a non-Christian you would have used it
instead.
Also, I know a goblin stole my carkeys this morning. I know for sure,
because he had a good reason to. Goblins like carkeys. They collect
them.
Whatever. In any event, you have now been informed of the reason why Heron
had a reason to kill those babies.
Nope.
You need to start thinking outside the box that is your religion.
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| User: "W.Syme" |
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26 Feb 2004 08:41:34 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then you
start whining?
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
Where is it?
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Stil waiting for a xtian to prove to me that goblins don't exist. You can't do it, can you?
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| User: "John Fraud Kerry" |
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26 Feb 2004 08:56:46 AM |
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"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:441390d2f59b1d169c007cc2ff7906d0@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then you
start whining?
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
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| User: "David K. Lewis" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 01:15:26 PM |
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"John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> writes:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:441390d2f59b1d169c007cc2ff7906d0@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then you
start whining?
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible.
The evidence for a bible claim isn't the claim itself, lol.
You said the bible says Herod went on a baby killing spree
and when asked for evidence you repeat the claim. lol.
Next time someone asks me for evidence for something I say,
I'll have to remember to respond with "Didn't you hear
me just say it?", lol.
As always any opinions I may have written above are mine and mine alone.
Dave.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 05:19:36 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:441390d2f59b1d169c007cc2ff7906d0@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then you
start whining?
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
How is that evidence? It is merely the scriptures of one of the many
religions.
If you wouldn't be convinced of reincarnation as a greater of lesser
form of life because the Hindu scriptures say so, why imagine the
Christian equivalent is evidecne?
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| User: "John Fraud Kerry" |
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26 Feb 2004 05:40:43 PM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:glvs30tgc9ik21gu2t2hqik03msohcsrve@4ax.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:441390d2f59b1d169c007cc2ff7906d0@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then
you
start whining?
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
How is that evidence?
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Feb 2004 09:55:26 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
The Moses myth of being found in a boat is also found in Sumerian
myths about Giglamesh.
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single authur, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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27 Feb 2004 10:03:46 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
The Moses myth of being found in a boat is also found in Sumerian
myths about Giglamesh.
That is a claim, not proof.
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single authur, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your
own image when it turns out that God hates all the same
people you do. - Anne Lamott
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
27 Feb 2004 02:15:27 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6iqu30hvup4q319givaulb7tcvhm905nu6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
At least you acknowledge it.
The Moses myth of being found in a boat is also found in Sumerian
myths about Giglamesh.
That is a claim, not proof.
Just like your own, only with more outside bolstering.
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single authur, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
Not that you can *prove*.
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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29 Feb 2004 09:48:13 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:15:27 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <zzN%b.785$rW6.722@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6iqu30hvup4q319givaulb7tcvhm905nu6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
At least you acknowledge it.
The Moses myth of being found in a boat is also found in Sumerian
myths about Giglamesh.
That is a claim, not proof.
Just like your own, only with more outside bolstering.
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single authur, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
Not that you can *prove*.
Susan, you won't get any honesty from PD. He's a play toy. You won't
get dialog from him.
Susan
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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29 Feb 2004 05:00:32 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4b2440pv4fhcumuf5kgeofssma4tsrv77u@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:15:27 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <zzN%b.785$rW6.722@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6iqu30hvup4q319givaulb7tcvhm905nu6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single authur, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
Not that you can *prove*.
Susan, you won't get any honesty from PD. He's a play toy. You won't
get dialog from him.
Yeah, I know.
I just like pointing it out.
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Mar 2004 03:05:11 PM |
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:00:32 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <kau0c.12417$C65.5945@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:4b2440pv4fhcumuf5kgeofssma4tsrv77u@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:15:27 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <zzN%b.785$rW6.722@nwrddc03.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6iqu30hvup4q319givaulb7tcvhm905nu6@4ax.com...
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single authur, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
Not that you can *prove*.
Susan, you won't get any honesty from PD. He's a play toy. You won't
get dialog from him.
Yeah, I know.
I just like pointing it out.
Noted. I wasn't sure if you were aware of it, or not.
/me plugs Susan's 'spotlight' into the "generator of never fail(tm)."
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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01 Mar 2004 04:07:10 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:ba9740l1jece5lndjdqsia4mvi4gjq5q6a@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:00:32 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <kau0c.12417$C65.5945@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Not that you can *prove*.
Susan, you won't get any honesty from PD. He's a play toy. You won't
get dialog from him.
Yeah, I know.
I just like pointing it out.
Noted. I wasn't sure if you were aware of it, or not.
/me plugs Susan's 'spotlight' into the "generator of never fail(tm)."
Why, thank you!
Ever the gentleman!
Susan
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 Mar 2004 11:23:27 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:07:10 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <iuO0c.18431$C65.9873@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:ba9740l1jece5lndjdqsia4mvi4gjq5q6a@4ax.com...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:00:32 GMT, "Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net>,
Message ID: <kau0c.12417$C65.5945@nwrddc01.gnilink.net> wrote in
alt.atheism;
Not that you can *prove*.
Susan, you won't get any honesty from PD. He's a play toy. You won't
get dialog from him.
Yeah, I know.
I just like pointing it out.
Noted. I wasn't sure if you were aware of it, or not.
/me plugs Susan's 'spotlight' into the "generator of never fail(tm)."
Why, thank you!
Ever the gentleman!
You're quite welcome, gracious lady. :)
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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27 Feb 2004 11:34:11 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:03:46 -0500, a stranger
called by some Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
Have you read them? I have.
The Moses myth of being found in a boat is also found in Sumerian
myths about Giglamesh.
That is a claim, not proof.
The legend of Giglamesh predates the Moses story, and is avaliable
both in books and on the web. Read it.
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single author, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
Care to bet some money?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "John Fraud Kerry" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
27 Feb 2004 02:18:07 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:rqvu30dbdejnjh4itb6p13vnvmpibdcspl@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:03:46 -0500, a stranger
called by some Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
Have you read them? I have.
So have I. And, as Pastor Dave correctly stated, you made a CLAIM, and it
was a claim for which you offered no proof. Pastor Dave was correct, and
we're not going to allow you to weasle away, Douglas.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
27 Feb 2004 07:20:59 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:18:07 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
So have I. And, as Pastor Dave correctly stated, you made a CLAIM, and it
was a claim for which you offered no proof. Pastor Dave was correct, and
we're not going to allow you to weasle away, Douglas.
You, sir, are the expert on weaseling.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
27 Feb 2004 08:00:10 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:18:07 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
So have I. And, as Pastor Dave correctly stated, you made a CLAIM, and it
was a claim for which you offered no proof. Pastor Dave was correct, and
we're not going to allow you to weasle away, Douglas.
You really must be xtain. No matter what you post yourself (only
unsubstantiated assertions), the other party must proof everything. No
matter how ridiculous your own claims are.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
27 Feb 2004 02:17:03 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:34:11 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:03:46 -0500, a stranger
called by some Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:55:26 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, a stranger
called by some "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com> came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
Have you read them? I have.
That is a claim, not proof.
The Moses myth of being found in a boat is also found in Sumerian
myths about Giglamesh.
That is a claim, not proof.
The legend of Giglamesh predates the Moses story, and is avaliable
both in books and on the web. Read it.
No, a WRITING of it PRESENTLY predates the text of the
Bible. That does not mean what has been found, is all
that will ever be found. That type of logic is
anti-archaeology. By your logic, all of the
archaeologists should be fired, as there is no more
need for them. You also fail to understand that the
text was passed down orally, from generation to
generation, with exact repetition. Certain Jews were
raised learning the text, word for word and had to
repeat it without error.
As for the Gospels, they themselves claim to be by single authors
(Matthew, Mark, Luke and Joh, plus the writers of the Apocrapha.) The
rest of the NT are also claimed to be by a single author, but there is
no evidence to support that either. Hell, there are different
versions of almost all the books of the NT.
That is false.
Care to bet some money?
I don't bet, so that was a ridiculous proposal and you
still have only provided a claim, not proof.
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± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"If you believe what you like in the Gospel, and reject
what you like - it is not the Gospel you believe, but
yourselves." - St. Augustine
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
27 Feb 2004 07:20:37 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:17:03 -0500, a stranger
called by some Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> came
forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:34:11 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> spake thusly:
And your proof is? Many of the stories in the Bible come from older
sources, such as the legends of Mithra, Apllonus of Tyrana, and
others.
That is a claim, not proof.
Have you read them? I have.
That is a claim, not proof.
Do you expect me to write down a full semster load worth of Sumerian
comparative archeology? Go read the actual work by the people who
spend their lives doing this sort of thing. I'm a planetary
astronomer, all I can do is point to the sources.
The legend of Giglamesh predates the Moses story, and is avaliable
both in books and on the web. Read it.
No, a WRITING of it PRESENTLY predates the text of the
Bible. That does not mean what has been found, is all
that will ever be found. That type of logic is
anti-archaeology. By your logic, all of the
archaeologists should be fired, as there is no more
need for them. You also fail to understand that the
text was passed down orally, from generation to
generation, with exact repetition. Certain Jews were
raised learning the text, word for word and had to
repeat it without error.
No, the legend predates the Moses story, since the earlist known copy
of Exodus is far younger than the oldest copies of the Epic of
Giglamesh. The "found baby" story is found in many cultures, care to
read the story of Oedipus Rex?
Care to bet some money?
I don't bet, so that was a ridiculous proposal and you
still have only provided a claim, not proof.
Got take a good comaprative religion course.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 07:56:06 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:glvs30tgc9ik21gu2t2hqik03msohcsrve@4ax.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:441390d2f59b1d169c007cc2ff7906d0@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:49:33 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
You claimed "there is no reason", so I laid it out for you, and then
you
start whining?
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
How is that evidence?
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
It is a record of what they believed.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 08:08:28 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:40:43 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
It is the historical record, as carefully written down by multiple
chroniclers.
and your proof is .... ?
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| User: "W.Syme" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 08:47:31 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
Sorry, the bible does not make valid evidence.
--
Stil waiting for a xtian to prove to me that goblins don't exist. You can't do it, can you?
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| User: "John Fraud Kerry" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 10:52:01 AM |
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"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:d82d1b435043a240f6dfbace6b12d21c@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
Sorry, the bible does not make valid evidence.
Why not?
BTW, it's spelled "Bible", since it is a proper noun. You merely make
yourself appear ignorant when you attempt cheap slights like that.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 05:21:16 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:52:01 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:d82d1b435043a240f6dfbace6b12d21c@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
Sorry, the bible does not make valid evidence.
Why not?
BTW, it's spelled "Bible", since it is a proper noun. You merely make
yourself appear ignorant when you attempt cheap slights like that.
And you use that as an excuse to acknowledge the point. Please be less
dishonest next time.
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| User: "W.Syme" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 10:46:02 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:52:01 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:d82d1b435043a240f6dfbace6b12d21c@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you have
never seen the Bible??
Sorry, the bible does not make valid evidence.
Why not?
Because the fact that something is on paper doesn't make it true.
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Where are the goblins?
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| User: "John Fraud Kerry" |
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| Title: Re: is it true ?? |
26 Feb 2004 11:30:03 AM |
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"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:1fed943fe8805056b31a7353c61ac66c@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:52:01 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
"W.Syme" <w.syme.killspam@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:d82d1b435043a240f6dfbace6b12d21c@news.teranews.com...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:56:46 GMT, "John Fraud Kerry" <JFK@DNC.com>
wrote:
I have yet to see the evidence that you claim to have for the baby
massacre.
The evidence I have claimed so far is the Bible. You're saying you
have
never seen the Bible??
Sorry, the bible does not make valid evidence.
Why not?
Because the fact that something is on paper doesn't make it true.
But neither does the fact that something IS on paper make it therefore "not
valid evidence".
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