Religions > Bible > Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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24 Nov 2003 09:10:49 PM |
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Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor? |
Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?
Let's have a real quick Bible study:
Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any
thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or
maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of
life.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and
whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth
and maketh a lie.
See http://www.acts2-38.org/holiday
Pastor Winter
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| User: "Lance S. Ferm" |
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| Title: Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor? |
24 Nov 2003 10:40:10 PM |
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John 5:20 "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He
Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may
marvel.
John 5:21 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even
so the Son gives life to whom He will.
John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to
the Son,
John 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He
who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
stever deceiver believes that that the Father is the Son.
"Heretic Winter JNAHC" <steve@prime.org> wrote in message
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Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor?
Let's have a real quick Bible study:
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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25 Nov 2003 12:35:45 PM |
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"Lance S. Ferm" <lsferm@earthlink.net> spake thusly and wrote:
John 5:20 "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He
Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may
marvel.
John 5:21 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even
so the Son gives life to whom He will.
John 5:22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to
the Son,
John 5:23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He
who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
The filthy false-christian scum Lance S. Ferm posts more
scripture that he believes justifies his polytheism.
Jesus pointed out that those who think He is a separate person
from God the Father don't really know Jesus at all.
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father
also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it
sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and
yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath
seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
False-christian scum like Lance S. Ferm don't know Jesus at all,
and they don't want you to either.
Real Christians join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding
Lance S. Ferm and the filthy preachers behind him.
Also, one should consider the first of all the commandments.
Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them
reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them
well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
** Many teach that it doesn't matter if you believe in three
lords **
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all
thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments
of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of
all principality and power:
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man
sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of
heaven.
**Right hand does not mean a big ole arm in the sky**
John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am [he].
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I am.
Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent
me unto you.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with
you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me
hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the
Father?
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken
before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the
last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having
not the Spirit.
Jude 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most
holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the
mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the
fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and
to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with
exceeding joy,
Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and
majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.
Isaiah 43:11 I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is]
no saviour.
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take
counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who]
hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there
is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is]
none beside me.
Hosea 13:4 Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt,
and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour
beside me.
Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a
Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Pastor sTeve Winter http://www.prerapture.org/holiday
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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| Title: Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor? |
29 Nov 2003 12:43:37 AM |
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"Lance S. Ferm" <lsferm@earthlink.net> spake thusly and wrote:
...and false religious people don't understand the love of God.
To a filthy false-christian scum like Lance S. Ferm the only
thing that appears "loving" is when he hears the sugar coated
fables from his filthy false preachers.
There is nothing loving about a false-christian scum like Lance
S. Ferm deceiving others to join him in a comfortable
disobedience of the Bible and the resulting eternal torment.
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure
sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,
and shall be turned unto fables.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and
vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of
the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet
colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and
filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE
EARTH.
False-christian scum like Lance S. Ferm would define "love"
as the telling of the lies to which they have become comfortable.
Let's look at how God defines "love".
Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love
me, and keep my commandments.
Deuteronomy 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that
love me and keep my commandments.
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he [is]
God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them
that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand
generations;
Deuteronomy 11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and
keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his
commandments, alway.
Deuteronomy 11:13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken
diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to
love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and
with all your soul,
Deuteronomy 11:22 For if ye shall diligently keep all these
commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD
your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;
Deuteronomy 19:9 If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do
them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God,
and to walk ever in his ways; then shalt thou add three cities
more for thee, beside these three:
Deuteronomy 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the
LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments
and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and
multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land
whither thou goest to possess it.
Joshua 22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the
law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the
LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his
commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all
your heart and with all your soul.
Nehemiah 1:5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the
great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them
that love him and observe his commandments:
Psalms 119:127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea,
above fine gold.
Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my
confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping
the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that
keep his commandments;
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it
is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my
Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love;
even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his
love.
I John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when
we love God, and keep his commandments.
I John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his
commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
II John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his
commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard
from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
So you see, false-christian scum like Lance S. Ferm make a
mockery of the word "love" as they use it to try to deceive
souls into joining them in a lake of fire.
Pastor Steve Winter http://www.prime.org/holiday
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| User: "Lance S. Ferm" |
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07 Dec 2003 05:14:38 PM |
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Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good
for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.
http://www.truthandgrace.com/
"Demon Winter JNAHC" <steve@prime.org> wrote in message
news:dkfgsv89s59aqlbmd639mhps6ihkstp9he@4ax.com...
"Lance S. Ferm" <lsferm@earthlink.net> spake thusly and wrote:
...and false religious people don't understand the love of God.
To a filthy false-christian scum like Lance S. Ferm the only
thing that appears "loving" is when he hears the sugar coated
fables from his filthy false preachers.
There is nothing loving about a false-christian scum like Lance
S. Ferm deceiving others to join him in a comfortable
disobedience of the Bible and the resulting eternal torment.
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| User: "Maverick" |
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06 Dec 2003 09:46:05 AM |
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Steve, Steve, Steve. Folks think I can be rude and crude, but in my
worst moments you make me you look like a Victorian prude. If I were
an unbeliever, you would never make me want to even examine your
claims because of your demeanor. At least use biblical terms like
heretic or false teacher but the scum thing and the other stuff I have
seen you use over the years does not enhance your position.
Just because you Oneness folks do not understand the Trinity does not
make it false or teaching polytheism. The baptism of Christ, the
mount of Transfiguration and even John's Gospel creates major problems
for y'all's position. Does God talk to Himself or misrepresent
Himself? I don't think so. Jesus is in the water, the Spirit
descends on Him and the Father speaks from Heaven. We either have
three gods as you purport the Trinity teaches, a God that is not
making Himself clear, or you have the Trinity. How does one come from
the Father and go to the Father if indeed the Father is standing there
in the form of Jesus? How does the Son go tot eh Father but will send
the Holy Spirit, which is the same essence of at least the Son if the
Spirit is there in the form of Jesus? On the Mount, Jesus is standing
there and the voice is saying, "This is my beloved Son". Is Jesus
throwing His voice or talking to Himself? Nope. So, here you have at
least 2 mentioned which kicks your concept of Oneness in the tail. We
have at least a Di-unity of not a Tri-unity, but other passages
mention the Spirit as deity so your position is untenable.
I do not completely understand the essence of God as a tri-unity, but
it is taught and I must believe it. When I get there, I will
understand it perfectly. People get uptight because the word trinity
is not in the Bible. That is not a problem. The word was coined to
define what was being taught in the Scripture. Is it the best
description of the doctrine? Maybe mot, but it is the best we can
come up with so far. No need to get crazy about it or start another
group over. While, it is honorable that you wish to stand against
polytheism you need to understand what that is and yell at the jehovah
Witnesses who have two gods rather than getting bent out of shape over
the trinity. It is taught clearly in the Word.
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| User: "Mark Bassett" |
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06 Dec 2003 07:05:33 PM |
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"Maverick" <mavmin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9fa10563.0312060746.4c88c511@posting.google.com...
Steve, Steve, Steve. Folks think I can be rude and crude, but in my
worst moments you make me you look like a Victorian prude. If I were
an unbeliever, you would never make me want to even examine your
claims because of your demeanor. At least use biblical terms like
heretic or false teacher but the scum thing and the other stuff I have
seen you use over the years does not enhance your position.
Just because you Oneness folks do not understand the Trinity does not
make it false or teaching polytheism. The baptism of Christ, the
mount of Transfiguration and even John's Gospel creates major problems
for y'all's position. Does God talk to Himself or misrepresent
Himself? I don't think so. Jesus is in the water, the Spirit
descends on Him and the Father speaks from Heaven. We either have
three gods as you purport the Trinity teaches, a God that is not
making Himself clear, or you have the Trinity. How does one come from
the Father and go to the Father if indeed the Father is standing there
in the form of Jesus? How does the Son go tot eh Father but will send
the Holy Spirit, which is the same essence of at least the Son if the
Spirit is there in the form of Jesus? On the Mount, Jesus is standing
there and the voice is saying, "This is my beloved Son". Is Jesus
throwing His voice or talking to Himself? Nope. So, here you have at
least 2 mentioned which kicks your concept of Oneness in the tail. We
have at least a Di-unity of not a Tri-unity, but other passages
mention the Spirit as deity so your position is untenable.
I do not completely understand the essence of God as a tri-unity, but
it is taught and I must believe it. When I get there, I will
understand it perfectly. People get uptight because the word trinity
is not in the Bible. That is not a problem. The word was coined to
define what was being taught in the Scripture. Is it the best
description of the doctrine? Maybe mot, but it is the best we can
come up with so far. No need to get crazy about it or start another
group over. While, it is honorable that you wish to stand against
polytheism you need to understand what that is and yell at the jehovah
Witnesses who have two gods rather than getting bent out of shape over
the trinity. It is taught clearly in the Word.
Don't worry about "Steve, Steve, Steve". He doesn't even understand the
Oneness. You should though, because you want to be a believer in the God was
manifest in our Lord Jesus Christ, and you want to represent Him correctly.
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| User: "Phillip Ray Holmes" |
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10 Dec 2003 10:59:31 PM |
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"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote in message news:<x1vAb.5297$0U4.1393852@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Maverick" <mavmin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9fa10563.0312060746.4c88c511@posting.google.com...
Steve, Steve, Steve. Folks think I can be rude and crude, but in my
worst moments you make me you look like a Victorian prude. If I were
an unbeliever, you would never make me want to even examine your
claims because of your demeanor. At least use biblical terms like
heretic or false teacher but the scum thing and the other stuff I have
seen you use over the years does not enhance your position.
Just because you Oneness folks do not understand the Trinity does not
make it false or teaching polytheism. The baptism of Christ, the
mount of Transfiguration and even John's Gospel creates major problems
for y'all's position. Does God talk to Himself or misrepresent
Himself? I don't think so. Jesus is in the water, the Spirit
descends on Him and the Father speaks from Heaven. We either have
three gods as you purport the Trinity teaches, a God that is not
making Himself clear, or you have the Trinity. How does one come from
the Father and go to the Father if indeed the Father is standing there
in the form of Jesus? How does the Son go tot eh Father but will send
the Holy Spirit, which is the same essence of at least the Son if the
Spirit is there in the form of Jesus? On the Mount, Jesus is standing
there and the voice is saying, "This is my beloved Son". Is Jesus
throwing His voice or talking to Himself? Nope. So, here you have at
least 2 mentioned which kicks your concept of Oneness in the tail. We
have at least a Di-unity of not a Tri-unity, but other passages
mention the Spirit as deity so your position is untenable.
I do not completely understand the essence of God as a tri-unity, but
it is taught and I must believe it. When I get there, I will
understand it perfectly. People get uptight because the word trinity
is not in the Bible. That is not a problem. The word was coined to
define what was being taught in the Scripture. Is it the best
description of the doctrine? Maybe mot, but it is the best we can
come up with so far. No need to get crazy about it or start another
group over. While, it is honorable that you wish to stand against
polytheism you need to understand what that is and yell at the jehovah
Witnesses who have two gods rather than getting bent out of shape over
the trinity. It is taught clearly in the Word.
Don't worry about "Steve, Steve, Steve". He doesn't even understand the
Oneness. You should though, because you want to be a believer in the God was
manifest in our Lord Jesus Christ, and you want to represent Him correctly.
I wonder how Raymond Knapp knows these people like Mother Theresa
isn't in HEll?
Maybe he visits down there during the time we have Winter season here
in the United States!
Mr. Bassett, Does your lying on the alt.religion.christian.pentecostal
give
GOD the Glory? Ask yourself that reprobate Bassett
Phillip Ray Holmes
1455 Keene Road
Enville, TN 38332
ctn27548@yahoo.com
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| User: "Mark Bassett" |
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11 Dec 2003 12:31:32 AM |
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"Phillip Ray Holmes" <ctn27548@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:d8f9d6ea.0312102059.2883324c@posting.google.com...
Mr. Bassett, Does your lying on the alt.religion.christian.pentecostal
give
GOD the Glory? Ask yourself that reprobate Bassett
Phillip,
I am not the one who repeatedly published lies about the UPC embracing the
trinity doctrine. You are. Reconcile that, and I'll have a conversation with
you.
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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11 Dec 2003 06:55:41 PM |
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"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> spake thusly and
wrote:
I am not the one who repeatedly published lies about the UPC embracing the
trinity doctrine. You are. Reconcile that, and I'll have a conversation with
you.
Reprobate Bassett, do you deny that the UPCI licenses divorced
and remarried men as preachers?
Pastor Winter
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Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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| User: "Pastor Winter JNAHC" |
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11 Dec 2003 10:29:40 AM |
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"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote
Phillip Ray Holmes:
I am not the one who repeatedly published lies about the UPC embracing the
trinity doctrine. You are. Reconcile that, and I'll have a conversation with
you.
Reprobate Bassett, I am in no way supportive of Phillip Ray
Holmes as he simply joins the voices against your lying.
However you have supported reprobate Knapp who believes in
triunity and you ***** with trinity filth when it suits your
whim and fancy. You even conspire with trinity filth to do
malicious acts etc.
Do you repent of your association with Raymond Knapp?
Pastor Winter
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Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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| User: "Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Is Jesus honored when people make a lie in His honor? |
12 Dec 2003 11:13:57 AM |
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Pastor Winter JNAHC <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message news:<0m6htv807dkjkvf0abm3ivf0hvabeo4sik@4ax.com>...
"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> spake thusly and wrote
Phillip Ray Holmes:
I am not the one who repeatedly published lies about the UPC embracing the
trinity doctrine. You are. Reconcile that, and I'll have a conversation with
you.
Reprobate Bassett, I am in no way supportive of Phillip Ray
Holmes as he simply joins the voices against your lying.
However you have supported reprobate Knapp who believes in
triunity and you ***** with trinity filth when it suits your
whim and fancy. You even conspire with trinity filth to do
malicious acts etc.
I believe you Steve are a Triunity, of Body, Soul and Spirit, if you
don't believe that, it is no wonder your sick and mentally ill and
post the way you do. If anyone is a "*****" that would have to be you
Steve, the way you keep bring that foul name into your post. Jesus
said he came for all the sinners, even you, seems your trinity SysOp's
left you when they seen your foul writings.
Do you repent of your association with Raymond Knapp?
Pastor Bassett does not associate with me, you have with him over the
years, all the way back to the UPC. But with me, nope, never met the
man, you just can not stop lying, then the demons that control you, I
suppose just push you on and on.
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good
and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a
tree is known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For
out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil
things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will
give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will
be condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post
can see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like
yourself, everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your
filthy Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter
worded post. I am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the
opposite of a liar. All that I do is direct people to my website,
where the information is. Also lots of pictures of people in the
Churches we work with. With so many baptisms in the name of the Lord
JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in Asia and around the world.
You express so very much your evil and toilet expressions, everyone
has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since you talk so
much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as guttery
as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as you
post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian
as that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
Pastor Winter
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(Raymond) spake thusly and wrote:
I believe you Steve are a Triunity, of Body, Soul and Spirit
Just look at what the filthy false-christian dirt Raymond Knapp
is publishing? This scum Raymond Knapp claims to be a "oneness
missionary".
Any of you dimbulbs beginning to figure out why I rejected
him as a fake years ago?
You are the scum on record believing in "triunity", reprobate
Knapp.
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Isn't it amazing the level of filth that comprise the list
of the public supporters of the reprobate Mark Bassett?
Pastor sTeve Winter
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Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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rwknapp@hotmail.com (Raymond) spake thusly and wrote:
I believe you Steve are a Triunity, of Body, Soul and Spirit
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good and
its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is
known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post can
see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like yourself,
everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your filthy
Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter worded post. I
am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the opposite of a liar. All
that I do is direct people to my website, where the information is. Also
lots of pictures of people in the Churches we work with. With so many
baptisms in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in
Asia and around the world. You express so very much your evil and toilet
expressions, everyone has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since
you talk so much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as
guttery as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as
you post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian as
that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
Pastor sTeve Winter
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13 Dec 2003 06:51:32 PM |
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Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary". He is a liar and a deceiver.
Raymond Knapp is a "oneness/trinity hybrid", a spiritual *****.
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Isn't it amazing the level of filth that comprise the list
of the public supporters of the reprobate Mark Bassett?
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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14 Dec 2003 02:44:16 AM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary". He is a liar and a deceiver.
Raymond Knapp is a "oneness/trinity hybrid", a spiritual *****.
Thank you for proving these verse as true, and you fit them like a tee.
That speaks voluem about you.
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good and
its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is
known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post can
see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like yourself,
everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your filthy
Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter worded post. I
am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the opposite of a liar. All
that I do is direct people to my website, where the information is. Also
lots of pictures of people in the Churches we work with. With so many
baptisms in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in
Asia and around the world. You express so very much your evil and toilet
expressions, everyone has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since
you talk so much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as
guttery as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as
you post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian as
that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
Please do write them a thank you note, tell them it is about time someone
tried to clean up the newsgroups.
In Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder of Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
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"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Raymond Knapp is a "oneness/trinity hybrid", a spiritual *****.
Thank you for proving these verse as true, and you fit them like a tee.
That speaks voluem about you.
What a lying scum we find in the reprobate Knapp. It is his
website with a plethora of links to his trinitarian brethren.
I call Raymond Knapp a spiritual *****, an infidel, a spiritual
***** as well as he is a filthy liar.
"Infidels" what does that mean?
Consider the term infidelity? See the association? Consider
also the related concepts of "chaste" vs. "unchaste". This is
also related to "holy" and "unholy".
Can someone who is spiritually unchaste be holy at the same time?
Can an unholy, unchaste person be saved? (I speak of the
unrepentant here).
We see so called "preachers" licensed by the United Pentecostal
Church advocating lying and we see so called "christians"
supporting such sin. ( I speak of reprobate Bassett and the
filth associated with him here)
Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the
dead:
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the
infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members
servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so
now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become
servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end
everlasting life.
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly
beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the
flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Holiness is not some optional issue! Salvation depends on it.
The Bible teaches that merely "bearing with" a teacher of false
doctrine makes one "unchaste". Note carefully how Paul is
concerned for their chastity.
Keep in mind the relationship of chastity, fidelity and holiness.
If that is not enough to convince you notice that Paul is talking
about Christians being corrupted!
2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly
jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may
present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve
through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the
simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have
not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not
received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might
well bear with him.
Now see that the great thing that Paul is so fearful of here is
also sin of omission as well. What does it mean to "bear with"
someone? Does it not mean to tolerate? Let's look at
Strongs. It does not mean that we believe Strong was a
Christian to accept that he was an adequate linguist.
430 anechomai {an-ekh’-om-ahee}
middle voice from 303 and 2192; TDNT - 1:359,*; v
AV - suffer 7, bear with 4, forbear 2, endure 2; 15
1) to hold up
2) to hold one’s self erect and firm
3) to sustain, to bear, to endure
Consider Paul's fear for the Church that they would become
unchaste and corrupt just for "bearing with" a deceiver like a
trinitarian.
There is a generation of so called "Oneness Christians" who are
devoid of even the concept that there exists such a thing a
spiritual chastity, but that is were we get "infidel" from!
This generation is a manifestation of the fruits of a generation
measuring themselves by themselves and their traditions.
2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the
number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves:
but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing
themselves among themselves, are not wise.
Paul gives the Church commandments as well regarding what to do
regarding those who bring false religion to you.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
Let me mention that the phrase "let him be accursed" appears only
twice in the Bible. Also note that Paul's commandment is the
only commandment that the Bible repeats twice. Some teach that
it is not a commandment but these also,
in my experience also believe in women preachers, double married
preachers and that it is OK for a Saint to attend trinitarian
worship services among other things.
It is a sin to merely "bear with" a trinitarian preacher. Now,
it is important to realize that every trinitarian is not a
preacher, but if a trinitarian is promoting
false doctrines, then they are a "preacher". The same
individual that I might invite into my home for a visit if they
just dropped by, I would probably curse on my doorstep if they
came bringing false-christian tracts on behalf of their cult.
The way some of those Mormon boys look at me wide eyed you would
think I was the first one to ever curse them in the Name of the
Lord Jesus Christ!
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in
the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father
by him.
And, if you do not have the scriptural foundation to curse them
in the Name of the Lord Jesus, then you better not do it.
Remember, just to bear with someone teaching a false religion is
spiritual whoredom. That's right! What do you thing that
"unchaste" means?
There is a wedding supper coming up. There is also Great *****,
the mother of all trinity denominations! God chose that
terminology, not me!
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had
the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither;
I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that
sitteth upon many waters:
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
That's right the trinity really is a "mystery" as most
trinitarians will admit because they themselves can't begin to
understand the confusion. It is MYSTERY BABYLON! God is not the
author of confusion!
The false-christian dirt Raymond Knapp not only "bears with"
trinitarians, but he promotes them.
Pastor Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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14 Dec 2003 10:33:54 PM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Thank you for proving these verse as true, and you fit them like a tee.
That speaks voluem about you.
What a lying scum we find in the reprobate Knapp. It is his
website with a plethora of links to his trinitarian brethren.
I see you hid again this notice I have posted at my website, then your just
jealous as I do not have a link to your website. Below is the Statement
found at the website.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/links.htm go to it and
see what Mr. Winter is so upset about, also note Five Apostolic websites
listed at the beginning of that list of contexts.
Internet Ministries for Christian information, check these links out.
These Links are provided as a service to you the web traveler.
Pioneers For Jesus, makes NO endorsement of their content or of their
doctrinal beliefs or their teachings.
YOU the viewer must decide whether they are truly Christian.
Happy surfing! Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, Th.B, D.D
I provide links to all kinds or website for the general public that wants
information about Church groups, so they can check them out and find what
they do teach so they can argue with the likes of Steven Ray Winter, and
have what these churches do teach, correct or not, a Believer needs to know
what others do believe, and not just toilet mouth everyone and anyone that
does not belong to their church or cult as Mr. Winter likes to do.
I call Raymond Knapp a spiritual *****, an infidel, a spiritual
***** as well as he is a filthy liar.
Yes you prove your evil and you prove what the bible says about such people
that do what you say and admit to doing in this post. Thank you it makes it
so much easier to prove you are not a Christian, not a believer in the
LORDSHIP of Christ and just full of hate and envy of them that God does
bless.
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good and
its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is
known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post can
see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like yourself,
everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your filthy
Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter worded post. I
am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the opposite of a liar. All
that I do is direct people to my website, where the information is. Also
lots of pictures of people in the Churches we work with. With so many
baptisms in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in
Asia and around the world. You express so very much your evil and toilet
expressions, everyone has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since
you talk so much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as
guttery as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as
you post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian as
that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
"Infidels" what does that mean?
Consider the term infidelity? See the association? Consider
also the related concepts of "chaste" vs. "unchaste". This is
also related to "holy" and "unholy".
Can someone who is spiritually unchaste be holy at the same time?
Can an unholy, unchaste person be saved? (I speak of the
unrepentant here).
You speak of yourself here and your sure are unrepentant and full of pride,
and sinful unholy terms and unchaste lips. Your own statements bring that
out.
We see so called "preachers" licensed by the United Pentecostal
Church advocating lying and we see so called "christians"
supporting such sin. ( I speak of reprobate Bassett and the
filth associated with him here)
They have a licensed what does the so called Pastor Winter have to show for
a license? The UPC does not advocate lying, you do that, then since they
do tell the truth, you being a liar by trade, would call them lying as they
will not lie with you on these matters. Yes it is all in whom is speaking,
Satan would never say he is lying since he doesn't need to, he is the father
of liars, and as such could not tell the truth, and so if he said he was not
lying, he would be lying. Steve has a lot of practice in these kind of
things. Don't take my word for it, just read some of his many post in the
NG. Does take long to see the evil and hate, for the work and ministry of
them that do have real churches, and real converts, and pictures and
buildings listed in the telephone books and local church newspapers. Which
I understand Steve hidden from view, doesn't have. Do you even have a
license Mr. Winter, or did you just print your own up, so you call yourself
names?
Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein.
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the
infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members
servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so
now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
Romans 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become
servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end
everlasting life.
2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly
beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the
flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God
is created in righteousness and true holiness.
I love the Bible and all the above just adds more evident to your lack of
Christian character and love for God and His people. Your righteousness is
as filthy rags as your mouth and toilet tongue is, which your newsgroup post
prove and your unchaste evil terms proves.
Holiness is not some optional issue! Salvation depends on it.
Salvation depends on follow Jesus Christ as Lord, and accepting His blood
for the forgivenss of all sin. With out that belief, faith, trust in Jesus
as LORD, your kind of hoilness is full of holes, and sinful, as it makes
folks like you, full of sin, hate,distrust, evil terms and lying spirits
just have a time with your Holy less life.
The false-christian dirt Raymond Knapp not only "bears with" trinitarians,
but he promotes them.
You are like the mud calling the ground dirt, you not only bear with these
folks you supported them in your Prime Net BBS in Hong Kong, and you were
their Head SysOp, you supported the Tinity BBS groups and Churches in Hong
Kong, and I have the names and node list to prove it. Shall I post it, and
show how much you do lie, the facts are easy to prove. I am not false and
I sure am not dirty, I did not have a child out of wedlock YOU DID!
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/links.htm
In Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder of Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
Pastor Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist
2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical
holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the
Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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15 Dec 2003 10:56:16 PM |
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"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
These Links are provided as a service to you the web traveler.
Pioneers For Jesus, makes NO endorsement of their content or of their
doctrinal beliefs or their teachings.
But the spiritual ***** reprobate Knapp still promotes their
sites, eh?
Any of you real Oneness brethren wondering why I rejected
the reprobate deceiver Raymond Knapp years ago? Do you still
wonder why I call him a spiritual *****, a *****?
You are also the false-christian scum on record believing in
"triunity", reprobate Knapp.
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Isn't it amazing the level of filth that comprise the list
of the public supporters of the reprobate Mark Bassett?
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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16 Dec 2003 11:58:17 AM |
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"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You do have a problem reading and comphetion is clear by your silly remarks,
what part of "MAKES NO ENDORSEMENT OF THEIR CONTENT" Do you not understand.
You whorish ignorant false-christian scum Raymond Knapp! What
does your silly disclaimer have to do with your promotion of
trinity sites?
Let all real Christians join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8
regarding the deceiving reprobate Knapp!
No, reprobate Knapp, I guess you just couldn't help lying again,
eh?
You are the scum on record believing in "triunity", reprobate
Knapp.
Raymond Knapp is a lying, reprobate, spiritual ***** trying to put
himself over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.
Isn't it amazing the level of filth that comprise the list
of the public supporters of the reprobate Mark Bassett?
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You do have a problem reading and comphetion is clear by your silly
remarks,
what part of "MAKES NO ENDORSEMENT OF THEIR CONTENT" Do you not
understand.
You whorish ignorant false-christian scum Raymond Knapp! What
does your silly disclaimer have to do with your promotion of
trinity sites?
It doesn't promote trinity sites, or Oneness sites or Apostolic sites, just
so called Christian sites, which your not listed as or ever will be. Then
your foul terms stink up the newsgroup again.
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good and
its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is
known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post can
see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like yourself,
everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your filthy
Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter worded post. I
am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the opposite of a liar. All
that I do is direct people to my website, where the information is. Also
lots of pictures of people in the Churches we work with. With so many
baptisms in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in
Asia and around the world. You express so very much your evil and toilet
expressions, everyone has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since
you talk so much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as
guttery as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as
you post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian as
that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
Pastor sTeve Winter
In Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder of Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
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17 Dec 2003 11:57:57 AM |
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"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You whorish ignorant false-christian scum Raymond Knapp! What
does your silly disclaimer have to do with your promotion of
trinity sites?
It doesn't promote trinity sites, or Oneness sites or Apostolic sites, just
so called Christian sites, which your not listed as or ever will be. Then
your foul terms stink up the newsgroup again.
The false-christian scum Raymond Knapp makes some interesting
admissions that prove he is a spiritual *****.
Any of you dirt who threw away your honor, integrity and
salvation to try to defend Knapp feeling the least bit
embarrassed yet?
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Isn't it amazing the level of filth that comprise the list
of the public supporters of the reprobate Mark Bassett?
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
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17 Dec 2003 10:50:05 PM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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"Raymond" <rwknapp[-no-scam]@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
It doesn't promote trinity sites, or Oneness sites or Apostolic sites,
just
so called Christian sites, which your not listed as or ever will be.
Then
your foul terms stink up the newsgroup again.
The false-christian scum Raymond Knapp makes some interesting
admissions that prove he is a spiritual *****.
To the devil and his boys, I suppose anyone that doesn't follow Steve and
Satan would be to them a "spiritual *****" since he likes that term, one
just got to wonder why he post this kind of toilet thinking in public? Then
to make his point clear, he sends all replies not to the newsgroups he post
them to, but to one alt.christnet.public, which my ISP doesn't aloud and
here in China is not accepted for viewing by the cable internet networks. I
wonder also if the foul stink of Mr. Winter has something to do with that
also. Readers if you want to get information about other Church groups,
check out our links, not only to the Apostolic website but to job sites for
pastors and ministers, you know the World that God so loved He gave JESUS,
them folks all of them, except it is clear not Mr. Winter, no links to him
or his. Steve loves to lie, and now even says he has such "admissions",
someone should show him to the mental hospital before he gets himself hurt.
Any of you dirt who threw away your honor, integrity and
salvation to try to defend Knapp feeling the least bit
embarrassed yet?
Sound like a the words of a true follower of Satan, you sure love yourself
Steve, then no one else would.
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good and
its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is
known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post can
see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like yourself,
everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your filthy
Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter worded post. I
am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the opposite of a liar. All
that I do is direct people to my website, where the information is. Also
lots of pictures of people in the Churches we work with. With so many
baptisms in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in
Asia and around the world. You express so very much your evil and toilet
expressions, everyone has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since
you talk so much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as
guttery as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as
you post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian as
that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Isn't it amazing the level of filth that comprise the list
of the public supporters of the reprobate Mark Bassett?
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist
2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical
holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the
Word of God 2003
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
In Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder of Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
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14 Dec 2003 02:47:45 AM |
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"Pastor Winter JNAHC" <steve.NO-SPAM@prime.org> wrote in message
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Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary". He is a liar and a deceiver.
Raymond Knapp is a "oneness/trinity hybrid", a spiritual *****.
Thank you for proving these verse as true, and you fit them like a tee.
That speaks voluem about you.
Matt 12:33-37
33 A Tree Known by Its Fruit (Matt 7:15-20) "Either make the tree good and
its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is
known by its fruit.
34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of
the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good
things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give
account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be
condemned." NKJV
Mr. Steve Ray Winter you're deluded,as anyone who ever reads your post can
see. You keep posting the same text sayings, then for a liar like yourself,
everything you say is a lie! It would seem by most of your filthy
Disgustingly dirty; filled or smeared with offensive matter worded post. I
am not what you are calling me, as the truth is the opposite of a liar. All
that I do is direct people to my website, where the information is. Also
lots of pictures of people in the Churches we work with. With so many
baptisms in the name of the Lord JESUS Christ, as we "Pioneer for JESUS" in
Asia and around the world. You express so very much your evil and toilet
expressions, everyone has to wonder, do you play with whores and such, since
you talk so much about them? Then the toilet word "scum" that is about as
guttery as you can get, brings out the foulness and ungodliness to all as
you post. You're a fake minister whom I would not even call a Christian as
that would be taking the Lords name "Christ" in vain.
Pastor sTeve Winter
--
Email to let them know how you feel about
their blatant religious discrimination against www.prerapture.org
Please do write them a thank you note, tell them it is about time someone
tried to clean up the newsgroups.
In Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder of Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
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12 Dec 2003 11:20:32 AM |
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(Phillip Ray Holmes) wrote in message news:<d8f9d6ea.0312102059.2883324c@posting.google.com>...
"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote in message news:<x1vAb.5297$0U4.1393852@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Maverick" <mavmin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9fa10563.0312060746.4c88c511@posting.google.com...
Steve, Steve, Steve. Folks think I can be rude and crude, but in my
worst moments you make me you look like a Victorian prude. If I were
an unbeliever, you would never make me want to even examine your
claims because of your demeanor. At least use biblical terms like
heretic or false teacher but the scum thing and the other stuff I have
seen you use over the years does not enhance your position.
Just because you Oneness folks do not understand the Trinity does not
make it false or teaching polytheism. The baptism of Christ, the
mount of Transfiguration and even John's Gospel creates major problems
for y'all's position. Does God talk to Himself or misrepresent
Himself? I don't think so. Jesus is in the water, the Spirit
descends on Him and the Father speaks from Heaven. We either have
three gods as you purport the Trinity teaches, a God that is not
making Himself clear, or you have the Trinity. How does one come from
the Father and go to the Father if indeed the Father is standing there
in the form of Jesus? How does the Son go tot eh Father but will send
the Holy Spirit, which is the same essence of at least the Son if the
Spirit is there in the form of Jesus? On the Mount, Jesus is standing
there and the voice is saying, "This is my beloved Son". Is Jesus
throwing His voice or talking to Himself? Nope. So, here you have at
least 2 mentioned which kicks your concept of Oneness in the tail. We
have at least a Di-unity of not a Tri-unity, but other passages
mention the Spirit as deity so your position is untenable.
I do not completely understand the essence of God as a tri-unity, but
it is taught and I must believe it. When I get there, I will
understand it perfectly. People get uptight because the word trinity
is not in the Bible. That is not a problem. The word was coined to
define what was being taught in the Scripture. Is it the best
description of the doctrine? Maybe mot, but it is the best we can
come up with so far. No need to get crazy about it or start another
group over. While, it is honorable that you wish to stand against
polytheism you need to understand what that is and yell at the jehovah
Witnesses who have two gods rather than getting bent out of shape over
the trinity. It is taught clearly in the Word.
Don't worry about "Steve, Steve, Steve". He doesn't even understand the
Oneness. You should though, because you want to be a believer in the God was
manifest in our Lord Jesus Christ, and you want to represent Him correctly.
I wonder how Raymond Knapp knows these people like Mother Theresa
isn't in HEll?
Maybe he visits down there during the time we have Winter season here
in the United States!
Then I never said she was or was not in Hell, Steve said I meet her in
Hell, and I said I was not going to Hell to meet her or anyone in
Hell. Now Steve cuts and mixes up what he likes, and comes up with
this statement, Since I am not going to Hell, and I hope you don't, I
have no way of knowing if she want to Hell, since I am not God, all
sinners will go to Hell. So I would think you would be careful how you
post my friend, you nearer to sinning then you think.
Mr. Bassett, Does your lying on the alt.religion.christian.pentecostal
give
GOD the Glory? Ask yourself that reprobate Bassett
Phillip Ray Holmes
1455 Keene Road
Enville, TN 38332
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10 Dec 2003 10:50:25 PM |
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"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote in message news:<x1vAb.5297$0U4.1393852@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Maverick" <mavmin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9fa10563.0312060746.4c88c511@posting.google.com...
Steve, Steve, Steve. Folks think I can be rude and crude, but in my
worst moments you make me you look like a Victorian prude. If I were
an unbeliever, you would never make me want to even examine your
claims because of your demeanor. At least use biblical terms like
heretic or false teacher but the scum thing and the other stuff I have
seen you use over the years does not enhance your position.
Just because you Oneness folks do not understand the Trinity does not
make it false or teaching polytheism. The baptism of Christ, the
mount of Transfiguration and even John's Gospel creates major problems
for y'all's position. Does God talk to Himself or misrepresent
Himself? I don't think so. Jesus is in the water, the Spirit
descends on Him and the Father speaks from Heaven. We either have
three gods as you purport the Trinity teaches, a God that is not
making Himself clear, or you have the Trinity. How does one come from
the Father and go to the Father if indeed the Father is standing there
in the form of Jesus? How does the Son go tot eh Father but will send
the Holy Spirit, which is the same essence of at least the Son if the
Spirit is there in the form of Jesus? On the Mount, Jesus is standing
there and the voice is saying, "This is my beloved Son". Is Jesus
throwing His voice or talking to Himself? Nope. So, here you have at
least 2 mentioned which kicks your concept of Oneness in the tail. We
have at least a Di-unity of not a Tri-unity, but other passages
mention the Spirit as deity so your position is untenable.
I do not completely understand the essence of God as a tri-unity, but
it is taught and I must believe it. When I get there, I will
understand it perfectly. People get uptight because the word trinity
is not in the Bible. That is not a problem. The word was coined to
define what was being taught in the Scripture. Is it the best
description of the doctrine? Maybe mot, but it is the best we can
come up with so far. No need to get crazy about it or start another
group over. While, it is honorable that you wish to stand against
polytheism you need to understand what that is and yell at the jehovah
Witnesses who have two gods rather than getting bent out of shape over
the trinity. It is taught clearly in the Word.
Don't worry about "Steve, Steve, Steve". He doesn't even understand the
Oneness. You should though, because you want to be a believer in the God was
manifest in our Lord Jesus Christ, and you want to represent Him correctly.
Reprobate Bassett Needs to sk himself if God gets the Glory when a man
who SAYS HE "IS OF GOD" BUT CONTINUES TO LIE ON THESE
POSTINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So Mr. Reprobate Bassett "Do you give God the glory when you lie like
a hound dog on the postings on alt.religion.christian.pentecostal."
Makes you go HUMMMMMMM doesn't it Mr Bassett.
Phillip Ray Holmes
1455 Keene Road
Enville, TN 38332
ctn27548@yahoo.com
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11 Dec 2003 07:46:18 AM |
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(Phillip Ray Holmes) wrote in
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"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote in message
news:<x1vAb.5297$0U4.1393852@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
"Maverick" <mavmin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9fa10563.0312060746.4c88c511@posting.google.com...
Steve, Steve, Steve. Folks think I can be rude and crude, but in
my worst moments you make me you look like a Victorian prude. If I
were an unbeliever, you would never make me want to even examine
your claims because of your demeanor. At least use biblical terms
like heretic or false teacher but the scum thing and the other
stuff I have seen you use over the years | | | | | | |
