Religions > Bible > "Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?"
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20 Aug 2007 07:59:59 PM |
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"Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?" |
"Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?"
If so, will you tell me how denying the false doctrine of a triune god
is in any way related to rejecting the Deity of Christ?
If the Deity of Christ is NOT clearly taught in the Bible, then how does
the doctrine of a triune god affirm His Deity?
A Scriptural Doctrine of God
http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
Glenn
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20 Aug 2007 09:41:42 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:59:59 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
"Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?"
If so, will you tell me how denying the false doctrine of a triune god
is in any way related to rejecting the Deity of Christ?
If the Deity of Christ is NOT clearly taught in the Bible, then how does
the doctrine of a triune god affirm His Deity?
A Scriptural Doctrine of God
http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
Glenn
His witness
Glenn,
If the "Deity" of Jesus Christ were clear in the Bible, why did they
invent the word "Deity?"
The Word of God does not say "Jesus Christ is God" and it does not say
"Jesus is God."
Trinitarians figured that since God wasn't smart enough to say that
"Jesus Christ is God," or "Jesus is God" they would say it for Him
and so they invented words like "Deity", "Divinity,"and "Trinity"
which are all "y" words - "y" words when you don't need them?
When a normal person reads the Greek word "theos" he knows it means
"God". When he sees a similar word spelled "theios" he knows it means
"like god". When he sees another word that looks like the first two
spelled "theiotes" he knows it is some characteristic that belongs to
God who is Holy, Spirit, and Love; the nature of God.
But religionists can't trick people as easy with God's words. So they
come up with words that they can trick people with. That's "y" we
have the words Deity, Divinity and Trinity. They are words used by
real smart people to trick real dumb people.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "ramiga" |
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21 Aug 2007 06:26:10 AM |
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On Aug 20, 9:41 pm, Bible Bob <bible...@saintly.com> wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:59:59 -0700, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com>
wrote:
"Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?"
If so, will you tell me how denying the false doctrine of a triune god
is in any way related to rejecting the Deity of Christ?
If the Deity of Christ is NOT clearly taught in the Bible, then how does
the doctrine of a triune god affirm His Deity?
A Scriptural Doctrine of God
http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
Glenn
His witness
Glenn,
If the "Deity" of Jesus Christ were clear in the Bible, why did they
invent the word "Deity?"
The Word of God does not say "Jesus Christ is God" and it does not say
"Jesus is God."
Trinitarians figured that since God wasn't smart enough to say that
"Jesus Christ is God," or "Jesus is God" they would say it for Him
and so they invented words like "Deity", "Divinity,"and "Trinity"
which are all "y" words - "y" words when you don't need them?
When a normal person reads the Greek word "theos" he knows it means
"God". When he sees a similar word spelled "theios" he knows it means
"like god". When he sees another word that looks like the first two
spelled "theiotes" he knows it is some characteristic that belongs to
God who is Holy, Spirit, and Love; the nature of God.
One GOD - Scripture discusses the attributes of GOD, the ONE. As
language changes, other ideas come to unify the allness of GOD. As we
are taught about the Father, Son and Holu Ghost, we see that some holy
ideas from the are interchangeable between them. So the idea of unity
remains in both Bible testaments...
Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the
stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 30:15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In
returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence
shall be your strength: and ye would not.
Romans 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision
by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Ezekiel 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live?
And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Luke 12:8 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men,
him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending
and descending upon the Son of man.
I include the performances of the prophets all all religions for their
service is indeed holy through GOD the Father, the Son of GOD and the
Holy spirit of GOD.
http://www.marmsweb.com/music/index.html
Master Teachings in Song
But religionists can't trick people as easy with God's words. So they
come up with words that they can trick people with. That's "y" we
have the words Deity, Divinity and Trinity. They are words used by
real smart people to trick real dumb people.
BBhttp://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Aug 2007 05:13:18 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:59:59 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
"Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?"
If so, will you tell me how denying the false doctrine of a triune god
is in any way related to rejecting the Deity of Christ?
Christianity is the triune God.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "john w" |
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21 Aug 2007 07:20:09 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:59:59 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
"Is the deity of Christ clearly taught in The Bible?"
Yes.
If so, will you tell me how denying the false doctrine of a triune god
is in any way related to rejecting the Deity of Christ?
If He is not part of a Tri Unity Who are God, then you have changed
who He is. Since He is God the Father in flesh (John 1), that makes
Him a vital, essential, inextricable part of a greater One.
And only the tiny-minded attack the Tri Unity because they / you do
not understand it.
Your small mind simply cannot wrap around One God being Three.
Because you can't UNDERSTAND that, you REJECT it.
Your loss.
If the Deity of Christ is NOT clearly taught in the Bible, then how does
the doctrine of a triune god affirm His Deity?
A Scriptural Doctrine of God
http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
Kindly don't label heresy "scriptural"
The Bible CLEARLY teaches Three _____ who are God. The Bible teaches
clearly that Christ is that God. AGAIN, Yhwh told Moses that He is The
I AM. Jesus told the Jews that HE is "The I AM." How can Jesus AND
Yhwh BOTH be "The I AM" unless Jesus Christ IS God the Father in
flesh??
Answer:
He cannot!
Glenn
His witness
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Aug 2007 05:13:43 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:20:09 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
If He is not part of a Tri Unity Who are God, then you have changed
who He is. Since He is God the Father in flesh (John 1), that makes
Him a vital, essential, inextricable part of a greater One.
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
Basic Christianity.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "john w" |
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21 Aug 2007 08:40:23 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:13:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:20:09 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
If He is not part of a Tri Unity Who are God, then you have changed
who He is. Since He is God the Father in flesh (John 1), that makes
Him a vital, essential, inextricable part of a greater One.
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Col 2
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
Basic Christianity.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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22 Aug 2007 05:03:14 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
Yep.
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
Basic Christianity.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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26 Aug 2007 06:01:41 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
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27 Aug 2007 01:41:36 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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27 Aug 2007 08:18:10 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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30 Aug 2007 08:34:08 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
===>Not to misguided Christians. They accept the falsehoods they read in
their Bible. -- L.
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31 Aug 2007 04:45:53 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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joerevskelton@bellsouth.net wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
===>Not to misguided Christians. They accept the falsehoods they read in
their Bible. -- L.
In this case, it would be falsehood read _into_ the Bible.
The child is born: is given. at the time of the story; and will be the
various things attributed to a perfect King at some future time; that is,
when the child just born takes the throne.
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01 Sep 2007 01:14:09 PM |
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wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
===>Not to misguided Christians. They accept the falsehoods they read in
their Bible. -- L.
In this case, it would be falsehood read _into_ the Bible.
The child is born: is given. at the time of the story; and will be the
various things attributed to a perfect King at some future time; that is,
when the child just born takes the throne.
===>Exactly.
Of course, while Hezekiah was apparently a pretty good king, he never
accomplished all those wonderful things.
Also, it is possible, the chapter was edited into the book to make
people think it is about king Joshiah, whose scribes produced (compiled,
edited, wrote) the OT pretty much as we have it, in order to support his
expansionist ambitions. (SEE: "The Bible Unearthed" by Silberman &
Fiklestein). -- L.
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28 Aug 2007 05:20:56 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:18:10 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
Isaiah foretold the coming of the Messiah.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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29 Aug 2007 10:38:01 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:18:10 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
Isaiah foretold the coming of the Messiah.
Is born.
Is given.
Present tense.
It is a prophesy about a newborn in the prophet's time.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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29 Aug 2007 04:47:45 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:38:01 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:18:10 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
Isaiah foretold the coming of the Messiah.
Is born.
Is given.
Present tense.
It is a prophesy about a newborn in the prophet's time.
Gee, you think maybe Isaiah cut English class that day and forgot to change "is"
to "will be".
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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30 Aug 2007 08:39:34 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:38:01 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:18:10 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
Isaiah foretold the coming of the Messiah.
Is born.
Is given.
Present tense.
It is a prophesy about a newborn in the prophet's time.
Gee, you think maybe Isaiah cut English class that day and forgot to change "is"
to "will be".
===>That is what CHRISTIANS believe. -- L.
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:18:10 -0500, <joerevskelton@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
It is clear that the words refer to a child born in Isaiah's own time.
Isaiah foretold the coming of the Messiah.
===>There is NOTHING "foretold".
He is declaring that a child HAS BEEN BORN.
IN HIS TIME. ALREADY HAPPENED. NOTHING "FORETOLD".
And that "messiah" was, exactly like all others,
an "anointed" king! That is what the word meant. -- L.
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27 Aug 2007 06:10:50 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:41 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
===>False translation of a statement about the prince Hezekiah.
Trinitarianism is built on such falsehoods! -- L.
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
===>You know NOTHING of "Scripture" except what you've learned
in your Catechism. -- L.
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28 Aug 2007 05:19:25 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:10:50 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
===>You know NOTHING of "Scripture" except what you've learned
in your Catechism. -- L.
An excellent source revealing the bible.
duke, American-American
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30 Aug 2007 08:36:09 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:10:50 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Can't be - It's clear in Scripture.
===>You know NOTHING of "Scripture" except what you've learned
in your Catechism. -- L.
An excellent source revealing the bible.
===>INTERPRETING and twisting it to support RC doctrines. -- L.
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:03:14 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
Yep.
You just agreed with me, slow one. The prophesy of Isaiah said the
Messiah would be BOTH the Son (for unto us a SON is born)
AND the Father. (He will be... the Everlasting FATHER..."
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
????? "Jesus and the Father..." ?
smirk.
You can't even say it correctly!
Must be because you're a Roman Catholic.
Basic Christianity.
duke, American-American
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:11:01 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:03:14 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
Yep.
You just agreed with me, slow one. The prophesy of Isaiah said the
Messiah would be BOTH the Son (for unto us a SON is born)
AND the Father. (He will be... the Everlasting FATHER..."
Not only that, but also the Holy Spirit.
The Godhead = 3 equal but separate persons. Basic Christianitiy, jw.
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
????? "Jesus and the Father..." ?
smirk.
You can't even say it correctly!
Oh, **I** said it correctly alright.
Must be because you're a Roman Catholic.
I come from the Chruch founded by Christ.
duke, American-American
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27 Aug 2007 06:09:20 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:11:01 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:03:14 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
Yep.
You just agreed with me, slow one. The prophesy of Isaiah said the
Messiah would be BOTH the Son (for unto us a SON is born)
AND the Father. (He will be... the Everlasting FATHER..."
Not only that, but also the Holy Spirit.
The Godhead = 3 equal but separate persons. Basic Christianitiy, jw.
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
????? "Jesus and the Father..." ?
smirk.
You can't even say it correctly!
Oh, **I** said it correctly alright.
Must be because you're a Roman Catholic.
I come from the Chruch founded by Christ.
===>No, you come from a church that INVENTED "Christ". -- L.
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28 Aug 2007 05:17:46 AM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:09:20 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Must be because you're a Roman Catholic.
I come from the Chruch founded by Christ.
===>No, you come from a church that INVENTED "Christ". -- L.
I'm speechless.
duke, American-American
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30 Aug 2007 08:35:07 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:09:20 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Must be because you're a Roman Catholic.
I come from the Chruch founded by Christ.
===>No, you come from a church that INVENTED "Christ". -- L.
I'm speechless.
===>WOW!
That's hard to believe. -- L.
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dots on the floor long enough to abuse the keyboard. The offspring of such
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:03:14 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
Yep.
You just agreed with me, slow one. The prophesy of Isaiah said the
No, no he did not. Your ignorance of the terms used is stellar, one could
say boundless.
The above terms were commonly used for high status individuals, like son of
god was. Usually kings & their off spring. In this case, it is known,
historically known, the subject was Hezekiah, son of Ahaz. Of course, this
would require you to learn some history, & think. Two things unlikely to
come to pass prior to the expiration date of the universe.
Messiah would be BOTH the Son (for unto us a SON is born)
It's not a messianic passage, even though the Greek testament followers
claim so. It is a prophetic passage however, & is set in the time that
Assyria was fixing to raise hell in the territory.
AND the Father. (He will be... the Everlasting FATHER..."
A title applied to kings, not that you know that.
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
????? "Jesus and the Father..." ?
The first half of the xian gods.
smirk.
You can't even say it correctly!
He is more accurate than you have ever been.
Must be because you're a Roman Catholic.
Must be because most people know more about your myth than your imagination
does. It's not hard to do. Five minutes a year should suffice for the
person with an IQ of -5.
which wannabe this time johnniiee, the pretentious snit of a child in an
adult body that assumes what is true must conform to his fears & limited
understandings?
walksalone who knows the history that goes with the claimed messianic
passage, & that history puts the lie to the claim.
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john w <johnw wrote:
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:03:14 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:40:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6 (New International Version)
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Footnotes:
Isaiah 9:6 Or Wonderful, Counselor
Yep.
You just agreed with me, slow one. The prophesy of Isaiah said the
Messiah would be BOTH the Son (for unto us a SON is born)
AND the Father. (He will be... the Everlasting FATHER..."
===>Ridiculous Christian falsification.
Christian doctrines are based on such falsehoods.
The passage actually talks about a prince born hundreds of years before
"Jesus" and doers not call him any "God" or "Father" or anything like
that! It refers to the prince HEZEKIAH!
"For a child has been born to us,
(Note: HAS BEEN, hundreds of years before the "Jesus" of the Gospels)
A son has been given to us
(Note: HAS BEEN)
And authority has settled on his shoulders.
(Note: HAS SETTLED, hundreds of years before "Jesus")
He has been named
(Note: HAS BEEN NAMED, and obviously not "Jesus"!)
'The Mighty God is planning grace;
The Eternal Father [is planning] a peaceable ruler"
(GPS TANAKH translation from the traditional Hebrew text!)-- L.
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john w <johnw wrote:
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:13:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:20:09 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
If He is not part of a Tri Unity Who are God, then you have changed
who He is. Since He is God the Father in flesh (John 1), that makes
Him a vital, essential, inextricable part of a greater One.
No, jw. Jesus is God become man, not God the Father become man.
You don't know your Bible!
Isaiah 9:6
Col 2
Jesus and the Father are separate but equal.
Basic Christianity.
===>The Pauline teaching is that there is one "God" and one "Lord",
but it does not say they are the same, nor that they are both gods,
nor that they are a kind of reverse Cerberus with two "persons" of one
"head" ("GODHEAD"), and certainly not that there is even a third
"person" named "Holy Ghost/Spirit" belonging to that head. It is just
the result of a further Zoroastrianization of the religion, taking
the Zoroastrian Spanta Mainyu as yet another deity. -- L.
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