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Religions > Bible |
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"John" |
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27 Feb 2005 03:50:41 PM |
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Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
You said this in the above forums to me.
<< No, you don't. You don't affirm the trinity that most fundamentalist
Christians and even Catholics affirm. You worship the Oneness
Pentecostal
trinity that demotes Christ and distorts the character of God.
Sincerely,
Jason>>
Jason were you refering to me or Pastor Dave in these forums that you
call med a HERETIC? Honestly because your reply was in response to
soemthign I said. Just to let you know (encase it was directed at me)
that I believe the Oneness folk or United Pentecostals to be HERETICS.
I do not agree with their theology, and I have debated with them many
times.
If you called me a Heretic than I forgive you.
John
PS- I read your post on adding people to my killfile. But a question.
People like Mike Rosenberg and Bev A Kapuf keep on getting out of my
killflter. These people are much, much more abusive than people like
Pastor Dave, Steve Walz and such. I killfile them, and when I read
their posts in free.christians and such they are out of the filter. I
use MT Newswatcher for the Mac and I need to KILLFILE them in all
boards.
Mike and Bev call me bad names, and have been stalking me for sometime.
Creating aliases does not work, since these stalkers have got my ip,
newsserver and client figured out. What would you do?
--
1Cor. 1:18 ¶ For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 04:33:06 PM |
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John <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
PS- I read your post on adding people to my killfile. But a question.
People like Mike Rosenberg and Bev A Kapuf keep on getting out of my
killflter. These people are much, much more abusive than people like
Pastor Dave, Steve Walz and such. I killfile them, and when I read
their posts in free.christians and such they are out of the filter.
See, Jason, here's a perfect example of John doing whatever he pleases
and whining at the consequences. He's crossposting religious topics to
microsoft.public.handheldpc to ***** off Clinton Fitch. I wouldn't even
see these posts if he weren't doing that, but when I respond he whines
and says I'm stalking him.
He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried to
get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 05:13:57 PM |
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He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried to
get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
Found out how to put you in the permanent filter yipee!!! Bev
repeatedely calls me "diaper boy" and insults me. You also took a audio
clip from my server that I accidently did not set the correct
permissions for. I never advertised this file, but had it in that
directory, but failed to set the correct permission. You and her then
advertised that file to the public and still do even after I told you
not too!!! I had Bev's account terminated on 2 of her servers because
of this. Geocities was one and her work was anothwer one. Both removed
the file or her account.
You also posted some pictures of someone in diapers that you thought was
me on your site.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/mike.gif
These pictures are not of me. Yes I told you to display the pictures if
they were of me, but since you have no hard pictures of me you do not
know!!
John
PS- Can I talk with Jason please? You are know on permanent filter.
--
1Cor. 1:18 ¶ For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 06:07:58 PM |
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John <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried to
get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
It's interesting that you quoted this without comment.
You also posted some pictures of someone in diapers that you thought was
me on your site.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/mike.gif
You left out the part where I told you in advance that someone sent them
to me and said they were of you. You left out the part about how I had
those pictures for over a month and had no intention of posting them,
but then you, out of the blue, brought up the topic in a post to
alt.parenting.solutions. Makes me wonder if you sent them to me in the
first place to set me up.
These pictures are not of me. Yes I told you to display the pictures if
they were of me, but since you have no hard pictures of me you do not
know!!
And you left out the part where I took them down as soon as you said
they weren't you.
See, this is his modus operandi -- he carefully prunes the truth to omit
the parts where he looks bad. He doesn't talk about all the off-topic
posts (religious and/or political) he's made to computer-related
newsgroups. He doesn't talk about all the times he's pretended to be
two or more people in the same thread to make it look like someone is
supporting him. He doesn't talk about the times he's impersonated
people. He doesn't mention all the lies he's posted. No, he just tells
you what's happened in response to all of that.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 05:23:24 PM |
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John wrote:
He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried
to get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
Found out how to put you in the permanent filter yipee!!! Bev
repeatedely calls me "diaper boy" and insults me. You also took a
audio clip from my server that I accidently did not set the correct
permissions for. I never advertised this file, but had it in that
directory, but failed to set the correct permission. You and her then
advertised that file to the public and still do even after I told you
not too!!! I had Bev's account terminated on 2 of her servers because
of this. Geocities was one and her work was anothwer one. Both
removed the file or her account.
You also posted some pictures of someone in diapers that you thought
was me on your site.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/mike.gif
These pictures are not of me. Yes I told you to display the pictures
if they were of me, but since you have no hard pictures of me you do
not know!!
John
PS- Can I talk with Jason please? You are know on permanent filter.
I figured there were some answers to the questions about your actions.
Thanks for posting them. They make some sense, now.
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on usenet.
Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is precious. The Devil,
like many of the unbelievers, know where they are going and they know that
the overall battle has been lost. So, they like to steal moments from us
and from other believers. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.
God bless,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 05:45:55 PM |
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In article <MDsUd.15258$VD5.12885@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
I figured there were some answers to the questions about your actions.
Thanks for posting them. They make some sense, now.
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on usenet.
Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is precious. The Devil,
like many of the unbelievers, know where they are going and they know that
the overall battle has been lost. So, they like to steal moments from us
and from other believers. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.
God bless,
Jason
Thanks Jason yes I should focus on that amen.
John
--
1Cor. 1:18 ¶ For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
03 Mar 2005 12:00:41 AM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on usenet.
Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is precious. The Devil,
like many of the unbelievers, know where they are going and they know that
the overall battle has been lost. So, they like to steal moments from us
and from other believers. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.
God bless,
Jason
-----------------
You are truly delusional. You believed the liars you ran into as
a child. You know somewhere inside that they are just people, lying
cheating conniving people, just like we find everywhere else, but
because these were the first ones to dump this made-up ***** into
your head you fancy that they must magically be "THE ONE AND ONLY
Messengers from Gawd"? Nonsense. They don't know that the people
who passed it all to THEM were lying through their teeth, telling
THEM something that THEY ALSO had no actual reasonable ground to
believe!!
The actual garbage you are spouting here is that we should believe
the first bastards that got a hold of you and harmed you with their
trash. It is basically a call to every vicious little fundie bigot
to go ahead and brainwash your kids with your particular brand of
insane unreasoning crap and to expect that they should believe it
and go declare their particularly deranged little jihad on the rest
of us so that we have to kill them a few at a time to root out their
maniacal criminally delusional insanity.
Revealed religion of every kind flies in the face of reasoned truth
and good sense, and certainly humanity and peace and good will. This
unreasoning religion ***** should be rooted out of society and burned
in a deep pit!!
Steve
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| User: "David" |
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27 Feb 2005 05:31:45 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
John wrote:
He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he
tried
to get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
Found out how to put you in the permanent filter yipee!!! Bev
repeatedely calls me "diaper boy" and insults me. You also took a
audio clip from my server that I accidently did not set the correct
permissions for. I never advertised this file, but had it in that
directory, but failed to set the correct permission. You and her
then
advertised that file to the public and still do even after I told
you
not too!!! I had Bev's account terminated on 2 of her servers
because
of this. Geocities was one and her work was anothwer one. Both
removed the file or her account.
You also posted some pictures of someone in diapers that you
thought
was me on your site.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/mike.gif
These pictures are not of me. Yes I told you to display the
pictures
if they were of me, but since you have no hard pictures of me you
do
not know!!
John
PS- Can I talk with Jason please? You are know on permanent
filter.
I figured there were some answers to the questions about your
actions.
Thanks for posting them. They make some sense, now.
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on
usenet.
Really?
"Pastor" Dave and Bible Bob are "saved Christians," Jason.
So are the Christians over at Unchained Radio and several other web
sites.
What about them?
Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is precious.
Yes, by all means, glorify God. Start now.
You haven't been doing that so far.
The only glory you give is to yourself.
The Devil,
like many of the unbelievers, know where they are going and they know
that
the overall battle has been lost.
No, Jason, the battle hasn't been lost - at least not by "unbelievers."
The battle is for the human mind and the human spirit. Those are
things you would control or, failing that, that you would destroy.
And all because you're afraid of a mythical Devil and a mythical Hell.
That can't be allowed, Jason. Not any more.
So, they like to steal moments from us
and from other believers. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.
The "prize" is human dignity, human worth and human progress.
Okay, those are THREE prizes, but they are things YOU, as an evangelist
wannabe, can't allow, because you want power over others.
You can't have that power, Jason.
< snip >
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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27 Feb 2005 10:01:24 PM |
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David wrote:
<snip>
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on
usenet.
Really?
"Pastor" Dave and Bible Bob are "saved Christians," Jason.
So are the Christians over at Unchained Radio and several other web
sites.
What about them?
Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is precious.
Yes, by all means, glorify God. Start now.
You haven't been doing that so far.
The only glory you give is to yourself.
What happens to christians who claim a mission from god to minister to
atheists, then runs away?
Jason promised to answer questions he had run from several months ago.
He first spent a lot of time explaining under what circumstances he would
answer the questions.
Initially he said he did not remember them. I pointed out there was little
for me to gain posting again and again the same questions.
He "remembered" they had been asked but then said I had forgotten them.
Next he moved to saying they did not exist.
Two steps from the end and after someone posted one of the original
questions was to say that he *would* answer it.
17 minutes later the next to the last step said they did not exist.
The last step was to kill file me again, tell me he would never respond,
again and order me not to write to him unless I was saved....
It's sad when a man lacks the honor and courage to admit he does not know
something.
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| User: "George Peatty" |
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28 Feb 2005 06:15:30 PM |
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:23:24 GMT, "Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on usenet.
Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is precious. The Devil,
like many of the unbelievers, know where they are going and they know that
the overall battle has been lost. So, they like to steal moments from us
and from other believers. Let's keep our eyes on the prize.
Sound advice. Sadly .. and it is sad .. I don't see it happening in the
online community. Too many people who claim to be Christian, whose
testimony is anything but Christian. There are wolves in our midst (Acts
20:29, Jude 3-4), and there is nothing we can do about it. The assault of
these people on our beliefs, our ministry, and our fellowship is more
damaging than all the petty remonstrances of the atheists and other
unchurched combined. Still, I'm glad you said what you did.
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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01 Mar 2005 11:32:22 AM |
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George Peatty wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:23:24 GMT, "Jason Gastrich"
<usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bottom line: saved Christians should stick together; especially on
usenet. Let's glorify God and redeem the time. Our time is
precious. The Devil, like many of the unbelievers, know where they
are going and they know that the overall battle has been lost. So,
they like to steal moments from us and from other believers. Let's
keep our eyes on the prize.
Sound advice. Sadly .. and it is sad .. I don't see it happening in
the online community. Too many people who claim to be Christian,
whose testimony is anything but Christian. There are wolves in our
midst (Acts 20:29, Jude 3-4), and there is nothing we can do about
it. The assault of these people on our beliefs, our ministry, and
our fellowship is more damaging than all the petty remonstrances of
the atheists and other unchurched combined. Still, I'm glad you said
what you did.
Thanks, George. And of course I'm talking about saved Christians; not
simply people that call themselves believers. The legitimate Christians
need to stick together, remember our calling, and enjoy the world God
created for us.
God bless,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "John" |
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27 Feb 2005 05:15:46 PM |
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He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried to
get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
Found out how to put you in the permanent filter yipee!!! Bev
repeatedely calls me "diaper boy" and insults me. You also took a audio
clip from my server that I accidently did not set the correct
permissions for. I never advertised this file, but had it in that
directory, but failed to set the correct permission. You and her then
advertised that file to the public and still do even after I told you
not too!!! I had Bev's account terminated on 2 of her servers because
of this. Geocities was one and her work was anothwer one. Both removed
the file or her account.
You also posted some pictures of someone in diapers that you thought was
me on your site.
http://johnw.freeshell.org/mike.gif
These pictures are not of me. Yes I told you to display the pictures if
they were of me, but since you have no hard pictures of me you do not
know!!
John
PS- Can I talk with Jason please? You are know on permanent filter.
--
1Cor. 1:18 ¶ For the message of the cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it
is the power of God.
(Read John MacArthur's "Ashamed of the Gospel" when the church becomes like the world).
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 10:06:05 PM |
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John wrote:
PS- Can I talk with Jason please? You are know on permanent filter.
Note to the EAC staff manageing JG.
Please pass all messages from John on to him.
I think the new plan is working.
Have any of our programmers managed to finish the routines that will,
alegedly, allow him to pass the Turing Test.
Remember it's a week end in Woodland California if you get it done.
your phone number will be 666-xxxx
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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27 Feb 2005 05:21:21 PM |
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
John <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
PS- I read your post on adding people to my killfile. But a
question. People like Mike Rosenberg and Bev A Kapuf keep on getting
out of my killflter. These people are much, much more abusive than
people like Pastor Dave, Steve Walz and such. I killfile them, and
when I read their posts in free.christians and such they are out of
the filter.
See, Jason, here's a perfect example of John doing whatever he pleases
and whining at the consequences. He's crossposting religious topics
to microsoft.public.handheldpc to ***** off Clinton Fitch. I wouldn't
even see these posts if he weren't doing that, but when I respond he
whines and says I'm stalking him.
I was wondering why that group was in religious cross-posts.
He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried
to get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
Sounds bad.
JG
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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27 Feb 2005 06:07:57 PM |
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Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
See, Jason, here's a perfect example of John doing whatever he pleases
and whining at the consequences. He's crossposting religious topics
to microsoft.public.handheldpc to ***** off Clinton Fitch. I wouldn't
even see these posts if he weren't doing that, but when I respond he
whines and says I'm stalking him.
I was wondering why that group was in religious cross-posts.
Yep, that's the reason, and I can show you the posts to
microsoft.public.handheldpc where he explicitly states this.
He says Bev Kupf is abusive but he neglects to mention that he tried
to get her internet account cancelled when she corrected him on a
networking issue.
Sounds bad.
Yeah, and later he tried to get her fired from her job. But all he'll
ever tell people is that she's a crazy person who's stalking him.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
27 Feb 2005 09:26:06 PM |
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And you failed to mention that she stole a file from my site, and I
wanted that file down, but both Geocities and her University closed her
account.
You failed to mention this
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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28 Feb 2005 07:07:02 AM |
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<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
And you failed to mention that she stole a file from my site, and I
wanted that file down, but both Geocities and her University closed her
account.
You failed to mention this
Well, you're just demonstrating my point. Bev corrected you on your lie
about Mac networking. You tried to get her account cancelled way back
then. Then you started whining when she treated you in kind.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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28 Feb 2005 07:18:52 AM |
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<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
You failed to mention this
BTW, you also failed to mention that the page of aliases was down and
had been down for several months until you started your rampage in
microsoft.public.handheldpc. Again, you whine about the consequences
while overlooking your actions that lead to them.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Bev A. Kupf" |
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28 Feb 2005 07:43:23 AM |
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On 27 Feb 2005 19:26:06 -0800,
() wrote:
And you failed to mention that she stole a file from my site, and I
wanted that file down, but both Geocities and her University closed her
account.
First, I didn't steal a file from you. It was available for download
on your website. No usename/password was needed, the file was in plain
view, and I downloaded it. And guess what, anyone who wants it can
email me (very simple to decrypt the Reply-To), and hear your idiotic
ramblings for themselves.
Second, yes Geocities did stop me from publishing the file because you
claimed it was copyright material. However, no one else has, and I
still have _every_ account I started out with.
You failed to mention this
Because it wouldn't be true.
Beverly
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Many a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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28 Feb 2005 10:43:12 AM |
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Bev A. Kupf wrote:
On 27 Feb 2005 19:26:06 -0800,
johnw_94020@yahoo.com (johnw_94020@yahoo.com) wrote:
And you failed to mention that she stole a file from my site, and I
wanted that file down, but both Geocities and her University closed
her account.
First, I didn't steal a file from you. It was available for download
on your website. No usename/password was needed, the file was in
plain view, and I downloaded it. And guess what, anyone who wants it
can email me (very simple to decrypt the Reply-To), and hear your
idiotic ramblings for themselves.
John said that the file wasn't linked. It sounds like you had to look into
the directory to get it. Is this correct? If so, the action wasn't quite
as innocent as you make it sound. It's not like he was offering it to
people via a link. It was on his server and fairly hidden.
Why would I or anyone else want to hear "idiotic ramblings"?
Anyhow, the transcript of the sound file looks fairly innocent. Yes, he was
hurt and angry, but he didn't swear, threaten, or condemn anyone. So, he
actually used quite a bit of restraint in his time of pain.
Why are you trying to exploit his time of pain? This seems awfully sick of
you.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
28 Feb 2005 05:21:43 PM |
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Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
John said that the file wasn't linked. It sounds like you had to look into
the directory to get it. Is this correct? If so, the action wasn't quite
as innocent as you make it sound. It's not like he was offering it to
people via a link. It was on his server and fairly hidden.
It wasn't fairly hidden at all.
Why are you trying to exploit his time of pain? This seems awfully sick of
you.
John neglected to mention that she didn't do this until after he had
tried first to get her internet account canceled (after all she had done
up to that point was correct a lie he tried to spread about Mac
networking) and, failing that, tried to get her fired from her job. He
can't expect to treat someone like that without repercussion.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
01 Mar 2005 11:37:02 AM |
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
John said that the file wasn't linked. It sounds like you had to
look into the directory to get it. Is this correct? If so, the
action wasn't quite as innocent as you make it sound. It's not like
he was offering it to people via a link. It was on his server and
fairly hidden.
It wasn't fairly hidden at all.
Was I correct about its location? Why didn't you answer my question?
If you put a file on your server and didn't link it, would you expect for
others to take it and broadcast it? Would you be happy if they took it and
wouldn't return it? Put yourself in his shoes.
Why are you trying to exploit his time of pain? This seems awfully
sick of you.
John neglected to mention that she didn't do this until after he had
tried first to get her internet account canceled (after all she had
done up to that point was correct a lie he tried to spread about Mac
networking)
Can you prove this? Copy and paste the messages with date stamps and try
and prove it. If you can, then maybe you have a case. Otherwise, this is
just heresay.
Below you talk of "repercussions." Well, consider that there were some
"repercussions" from stealing this file. Yes? I'm not saying he was right
and godly in the matter, but you want to accept people's repercussions for
unseemly behavior, so here you go.
Incidentally, I've read that one or two internet companies AGREED with John
and removed her accounts. This is large evidence that she was doing
something absolutely wrong and possibly criminal. Yes? You seem to have
avoided that part of this soap opera.
and, failing that, tried to get her fired from her job.
How did he do this? Do you have some proof?
He can't expect to treat someone like that without repercussions.
Regards,
Jason
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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01 Mar 2005 02:50:22 PM |
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Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
It wasn't fairly hidden at all.
Was I correct about its location? Why didn't you answer my question?
I stated in other posts that it was right in the root web directory.
If you put a file on your server and didn't link it, would you expect for
others to take it and broadcast it? Would you be happy if they took it and
wouldn't return it? Put yourself in his shoes.
I would never put a file anywhere on the server that I intended to keep
private.
John neglected to mention that she didn't do this until after he had
tried first to get her internet account canceled (after all she had
done up to that point was correct a lie he tried to spread about Mac
networking)
Can you prove this? Copy and paste the messages with date stamps and try
and prove it. If you can, then maybe you have a case. Otherwise, this is
just heresay.
Oh, I certainly can and will be delighted to when I have time to track
them down.
Below you talk of "repercussions." Well, consider that there were some
"repercussions" from stealing this file. Yes? I'm not saying he was right
and godly in the matter, but you want to accept people's repercussions for
unseemly behavior, so here you go.
After all the harassment he put Bev through and a whole bunch of general
harassment against the comp.sys.mac.* newsgroups most of which you
haven't even heard about yet, it's my feeling he deserved whatever he
got.
Incidentally, I've read that one or two internet companies AGREED with John
and removed her accounts. This is large evidence that she was doing
something absolutely wrong and possibly criminal. Yes? You seem to have
avoided that part of this soap opera.
Bev can tell that part of the story much better than I can.
and, failing that, tried to get her fired from her job.
How did he do this? Do you have some proof?
Again, Bev can tell this part of the story much better than I can, but
the documentation is out there.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
01 Mar 2005 05:42:08 PM |
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Mike Rosenberg wrote:
Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
It wasn't fairly hidden at all.
Was I correct about its location? Why didn't you answer my question?
I stated in other posts that it was right in the root web directory.
Yes. You're acting like a person who is on the witness stand and trying to
hide something. Repetition isn't helping your case. "In the root
directory." "In the root directory." "In the root directory."
Yes, it was in the root directory. We established that much.
Was there a link to it? How did you know it was in the root directory?
If you put a file on your server and didn't link it, would you
expect for others to take it and broadcast it? Would you be happy
if they took it and wouldn't return it? Put yourself in his shoes.
I would never put a file anywhere on the server that I intended to
keep private.
Me either, but some people do.
John neglected to mention that she didn't do this until after he had
tried first to get her internet account canceled (after all she had
done up to that point was correct a lie he tried to spread about Mac
networking)
Can you prove this? Copy and paste the messages with date stamps
and try and prove it. If you can, then maybe you have a case.
Otherwise, this is just heresay.
Oh, I certainly can and will be delighted to when I have time to track
them down.
Ok.
Below you talk of "repercussions." Well, consider that there were
some "repercussions" from stealing this file. Yes? I'm not saying
he was right and godly in the matter, but you want to accept
people's repercussions for unseemly behavior, so here you go.
After all the harassment he put Bev through and a whole bunch of
general harassment against the comp.sys.mac.* newsgroups most of
which you haven't even heard about yet, it's my feeling he deserved
whatever he got.
Ok. What do you feel he deserves now? What do you feel she deserves, now?
And you? And free.christians?
I suggest you guys drop it and move on. Any suggestions? It will start
with one of you, though; obviously, the most mature one.
Incidentally, I've read that one or two internet companies AGREED
with John and removed her accounts. This is large evidence that she
was doing something absolutely wrong and possibly criminal. Yes?
You seem to have avoided that part of this soap opera.
Bev can tell that part of the story much better than I can.
For someone who seems to know a lot about this entire circumstance, this is
suspiciously vague.
and, failing that, tried to get her fired from her job.
How did he do this? Do you have some proof?
Again, Bev can tell this part of the story much better than I can, but
the documentation is out there.
Same as above.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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| Title: Re: Jason Gastrich why did you call me a HERETIC? |
01 Mar 2005 06:56:26 PM |
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Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes. You're acting like a person who is on the witness stand and trying to
hide something. Repetition isn't helping your case. "In the root
directory." "In the root directory." "In the root directory."
Yes, it was in the root directory. We established that much.
Was there a link to it? How did you know it was in the root directory?
All anyone had to do was point a web browser to http://johnw.freeshel
l.org to find it. There's really nothing more to the story.
Ok. What do you feel he deserves now? What do you feel she deserves, now?
And you? And free.christians?
Remember, this current episode when John decided to bombard
microsoft.public.handheldpc with crossposts from a handful of religion
newsgroups, not just free.christians. He included
alt.parenting.solutions presumably to get Steve Waltz to, ahem, liven up
the discussion. The inundation of microsoft.public.handheldpc with
off-topic posts continues and would be doing so without any
participation by Bev and me. The regulars in
microsoft.public.handheldpc are the true victims here and he's using
everyone else, you included, to punish them. So you tell me, what does
he deserve now? Everyone else deserves an apology from John.
I suggest you guys drop it and move on. Any suggestions? It will start
with one of you, though; obviously, the most mature one.
Again, whether or not I drop it, microsoft.public.handheldpc will still
be getting bombarded with crossposts. Any suggestions on how to do
something about that situation?
Bev can tell that part of the story much better than I can.
For someone who seems to know a lot about this entire circumstance, this is
suspiciously vague.
Where I have specific details, as in his initial attempt to get her
account terminated, I'll gladly provide them. Where I just know the
general circumstances, would you propose that I make up details?
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Jason Gastrich" |
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02 Mar 2005 12:46:30 AM |
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No need to snip so much, Mike. You're altering the flow of the conversation
and impeding people from following it the way it is flowing.
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes. You're acting like a person who is on the witness stand and
trying to hide something. Repetition isn't helping your case. "In
the root directory." "In the root directory." "In the root
directory."
Yes, it was in the root directory. We established that much.
Was there a link to it? How did you know it was in the root
directory?
All anyone had to do was point a web browser to http://johnw.freeshel
l.org to find it. There's really nothing more to the story.
If this is true, then the only problem I see is the refusal to stop using
the file when John asked. If this file was embarrassing to him and
something he wanted to keep privately, then why couldn't you guys honor his
request? Imagine someone having something very embarrassing like a picture
of you that you hate online. It probably wouldn't feel good to have someone
ignore your requests to return it.
Ok. What do you feel he deserves now? What do you feel she
deserves, now? And you? And free.christians?
Remember, this current episode when John decided to bombard
microsoft.public.handheldpc with crossposts from a handful of religion
newsgroups, not just free.christians. He included
alt.parenting.solutions presumably to get Steve Waltz to, ahem, liven
up the discussion. The inundation of microsoft.public.handheldpc with
off-topic posts continues and would be doing so without any
participation by Bev and me. The regulars in
microsoft.public.handheldpc are the true victims here and he's using
everyone else, you included, to punish them. So you tell me, what
does he deserve now? Everyone else deserves an apology from John.
The point is that all of you have done right and all of you have done wrong.
What now?
I suggest you guys drop it and move on. Any suggestions? It will
start with one of you, though; obviously, the most mature one.
Again, whether or not I drop it, microsoft.public.handheldpc will
still be getting bombarded with crossposts. Any suggestions on how
to do something about that situation?
Ask him to stop, then ignore him.
Bev can tell that part of the story much better than I can.
For someone who seems to know a lot about this entire circumstance,
this is suspiciously vague.
Where I have specific details, as in his initial attempt to get her
account terminated, I'll gladly provide them. Where I just know the
general circumstances, would you propose that I make up details?
I'm not suggesting you make something up, but I am suggesting you provide
evidence for your claims. You've been big on claims and small on evidence.
You've even contradicted yourself by callously saying you know how to budget
your time and you can gossip all you want while avoiding to take a few
minutes to provide some evidence that I requested.
Regards,
Jason
--
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Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
http://www.jcsm.org
Over 90,000 web pages!
John 8:36 reads, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be
free indeed."
Galatians 5:1 reads, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which
Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of
bondage."
ICQ#: 20731140 . AIM: MrJasonGastrich . YIM: Jesus_Saved_Jason
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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02 Mar 2005 07:21:10 AM |
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Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
If this is true, then the only problem I see is the refusal to stop using
the file when John asked.
You're basing this simply on what John said. He's conveniently left out
the fact that the file, along with the whole aliases page, came down
when he said he would start posting only under specified identities.
While he was honoring that promise (made in posts to the affected
newsgroups), the page and file remained down. Then, when he started his
campaign against microsoft.public.handheldpc, using a new identity, the
page went back up.
The point is that all of you have done right and all of you have done wrong.
What now?
This reminds me of the times one football player starts a fight and the
guy who's simply fighting back gets penalized. The instigator should be
the one singled out.
Where I have specific details, as in his initial attempt to get her
account terminated, I'll gladly provide them. Where I just know the
general circumstances, would you propose that I make up details?
I'm not suggesting you make something up, but I am suggesting you provide
evidence for your claims. You've been big on claims and small on evidence.
You've even contradicted yourself by callously saying you know how to budget
your time and you can gossip all you want while avoiding to take a few
minutes to provide some evidence that I requested.
I've already said I'll provide a bunch of posts when I have the time,
and it's not a trivial amount of time that I'll have to spend doing
Google Groups searches. I can't provide details of John's attempts to
get Bev fired because that would involve providing times and dates of
phone calls, which I don't have.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://macconsult.com/diaperboy/> The many identities of John Wolf
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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01 Mar 2005 10:10:47 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
It wasn't fairly hidden at all.
Was I correct about its location? Why didn't you answer my
question?
I stated in other posts that it was right in the root web directory.
Yes. You're acting like a person who is on the witness stand and
trying to hide something. Repetition isn't helping your case. "In
the root directory." "In the root directory." "In the root
directory."
Yes, it was in the root directory. We established that much.
Was there a link to it? How did you know it was in the root
directory?
Since Jason allegedly has me killfiled I hope someone else will point out
that statement makes his ability as a web host as suspect as his claim that
he is a bible scholar.
If he knew a little more he would have been afraid to ask the question.
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| User: "David D." |
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02 Mar 2005 09:34:17 AM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Jason Gastrich wrote:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
Jason Gastrich <usenetspam1@yahoo.com> wrote:
It wasn't fairly hidden at all.
Was I correct about its location? Why didn't you answer my
question?
I stated in other posts that it was right in the root web
directory.
Yes. You're acting like a person who is on the witness stand and
trying to hide something. Repetition isn't helping your case. "In
the root directory." "In the root directory." "In the root
directory."
Yes, it was in the root directory. We established that much.
Was there a link to it? How did you know it was in the root
directory?
Since Jason allegedly has me killfiled I hope someone else will point
out
that statement makes his ability as a web host as suspect as his
claim that
he is a bible scholar.
If he knew a little more he would have been afraid to ask the
question.
You mean embarrassed to ask the question.
This problem happened to George Peatty just recently. He posted a web
page with his statement of faith because Jason was Badgering him about
it. Grinder then noticed that all his credit card information was
visible in the parent directory. I suppose Jason never saw that
episode.
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| User: "Bev A. Kupf" |
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01 Mar 2005 05:51:20 PM |
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:42:08 GMT,
Jason Gastrich (usenetspam1@yahoo.com) wrote:
Bev can tell that part of the story much better than I can.
For someone who seems to know a lot about this entire circumstance, this is
suspiciously vague.
Use a search engine; I'm under no compunction to do your work for you.
It's your position that I'm prevaricating, so go ahead -- prove me wrong.
Same as above.
Likewise.
Beverly
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Many a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer
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| User: "David" |
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01 Mar 2005 12:47:37 PM |
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
Mike Rosenberg wrote:
< snip >
Let's boil this down, shall we?
Jason, you're presuming to chastize others over an alleged STOLEN FILE?
Well, let's review.
The folks at alt-atheism.org had a file - a simple text file that was a
list of atheists and agnostics.
You were denied access to that file by means of an IP block.
KNOWING that, you used a proxy to get around that block.
You took the file, knowing that you were denied the file.
So...help me out, here.
Why aren't you being a hypocrite?
Your attempts to associate this with the Durango Bill issue does
nothing but show your ignorance and pettiness. Bill used an image that
HE CREATED that contained a logo for OCCM.
It was not a copyright violation.
Furthermore, it was used as part of a web site that was a review of
your activities and was critical of those activities.
What he did was "fair use."
Once again, Jason, you have shown that you are a small-minded and
juvenile individual with no integrity and no morals.
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