"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41b225de$0$8932$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Tell me Rev, what is the purpose of hell?
It can't be for the purpose of reform so it must be about revenge.
Isn't revenge just a way of getting even?
Isn't getting even a self-serving exercise and thus evil?

Hell is the perfect justification for your choices.

YOU are responsible for your choices, for you have FREE WILL,

therefore if you are sent to hell, it is because you have chosen to be so.

You were warned of the consequences of choosing evil and sin,

which is hellfire, and you were given opportunity to be forgiven of your
sins and your slate wiped clean,

but you chose to deny it,

therefore it is NOT about revenge but you, yourself, determining your own
fate.

cont

Why did Jesus shed his blood on the cross Rev?
Isn't that what one would call a 'human blood sacrifice'?
Isn't 'human blood sacrifices' what people used to do for their ancient
false pagan gods long before the Christian god came onto the scene?
Why is the Christian god emulating false pagan gods Rev?

Because in the beginning man was given LIFE, and thus in order to receive
eternal life, a life had to be given in exchange,

this I did for YOUR opportunity for your forgiveness of sins.

It is a requirement to separate those who are loyal and faithful to their
Creator and those who deny Him.

God ALONE has the authority to choose what is required for salvation, thus
a human blood sacrifice of His own Son, was of His choosing. HUMANS have
NO right to sacrifice human life, and thus, the evil ones, who serve Satan
and worship pagan gods did this in blasphemy of God's plan of salvation.

The "Christian" God is the CREATOR of the Universe and has always existed,
therefore the ancient pagans were also created by Him, and they chose to
deny Him and worship gods of their own imaginations.

cont

How do you know Jesus actually said those things and how do you
know exactly what he meant Rev?
Were you actually there to hear him say them?

Because those who take the step of faith and believe have been given a
spiritual gift that through the experience of faith has changed their
lives, providing for them the evidence that the words written by the
ancients and preserved in the Bible, were true.

cont

Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).

The spiritual can be proven to each individual through their obedience to
the words of God, as they enter into the kingdom of God, IN THE SPIRIT,
therefore experiencing the spiritual realm for themselves.

"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41b225de$0$8932$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Tell me Rev, what is the purpose of hell?
It can't be for the purpose of reform so it must be about revenge.
Isn't revenge just a way of getting even?
Isn't getting even a self-serving exercise and thus evil?

Hell is the perfect justification for your choices. YOU are responsible
for your choices, for you have FREE WILL, therefore if you are sent to
hell, it is because you have chosen to be so. You were warned of the
consequences of choosing evil and sin, which is hellfire, and you were
given opportunity to be forgiven of your sins and your slate wiped clean,
but you chose to deny it, therefore it is NOT about revenge but you,
yourself, determining your own fate.

cont

Why did Jesus shed his blood on the cross Rev?
Isn't that what one would call a 'human blood sacrifice'?
Isn't 'human blood sacrifices' what people used to do for their ancient
false pagan gods long before the Christian god came onto the scene?
Why is the Christian god emulating false pagan gods Rev?

Because in the beginning man was given LIFE, and thus in order to receive
eternal life, a life had to be given in exchange, this I did for YOUR
opportunity for your forgiveness of sins. It is a requirement to separate
those who are loyal and faithful to their Creator and those who deny Him.
God ALONE has the authority to choose what is required for salvation, thus
a human blood sacrifice of His own Son, was of His choosing. HUMANS have
NO right to sacrifice human life, and thus, the evil ones, who serve Satan
and worship pagan gods did this in blasphemy of God's plan of salvation.
The "Christian" God is the CREATOR of the Universe and has always existed,
therefore the ancient pagans were also created by Him, and they chose to
deny Him and worship gods of their own imaginations.

cont

How do you know Jesus actually said those things and how do you
know exactly what he meant Rev?
Were you actually there to hear him say them?

Because those who take the step of faith and believe have been given a
spiritual gift that through the experience of faith has changed their
lives, providing for them the evidence that the words written by the
ancients and preserved in the Bible, were true.

cont

Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).

The spiritual can be proven to each individual through their obedience to
the words of God, as they enter into the kingdom of God, IN THE SPIRIT,
therefore experiencing the spiritual realm for themselves.
--
Dore

www.dorewilliamson.com


"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:WPksd.249$Sp3.195@lakeread01...

Jesus is the only way of salvation and He is the only one that can keep
you from going to eternal hell.

Tell me Rev, what is the purpose of hell?
It can't be for the purpose of reform so it must be about revenge.
Isn't revenge just a way of getting even?
Isn't getting even a self-serving exercise and thus evil?

That is because He is the only one who can take away sins be
the blood He shed on the cross.

Why did Jesus shed his blood on the cross Rev?
Isn't that what one would call a 'human blood sacrifice'?
Isn't 'human blood sacrifices' what people used to do for their ancient
false pagan gods long before the Christian god came onto the scene?
Why is the Christian god emulating false pagan gods Rev?

Without having your sins forgiven by the Blood of Jesus Christ, you will
still be in your sins and if you die in your sins, you will spend
eternity
in hell fire. This is the same for every human being on the face of the
earth.
Jesus made many statements that He is the only way to be saved,
some are John 14:6 I am the way, the truth and the life, no one
comes to the Father but through me. John 8:24 I said therefore unto
you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he,
ye shall die in your sins.
1 John 5 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the
Son of God hath not life.
There are many more statements Jesus made about Himself being
the only way of Salvation. The choice is yours, Jesus Christ or eternal
damnation.

How do you know Jesus actually said those things and how do you
know exactly what he meant Rev?
Were you actually there to hear him say them?


--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved nor
disproved (agnostic).


"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has
been for us." ~ Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner

The purpose of hell was actually a place of punishment for Satan and
the Angels who rebeled against God.

The reason humans go there is
because it is the ONLY place in existence where God purposefully
witholds his presence.

God sends us to hell if we are living in sin not
to punish us, not to get revenge.

He sents us to hell because SIN
cannot exist in his presence.

He gives us leeway on earth, because
there is still a chance that we will turn to Christ (who can wash away
our sins), but once we die those sins become a part of our eternal
spirit, and those sins are what cause us to be placed in a location of
eternal separation from God (Hell).

The reason Christ shed his blood on the cross for us is because a
perfect and eternal sacrifice needed to be made for the forgiveness of
sins. Yes it was a human sacrifice, but more so it was a divine
sacrifice.

Christ had to bear the PUNISHMENT for all of our sins, he
had to take the beating, mocking and the nails for us.

It would be like
if I rushed in on the day of your hanging and said "don't do it, I'll
take the nouse (sp?)". The sacrifice of Christ is both perfect (he
never sinned)

and eternal (he is God) and therefor was able to take
away our sins forever if we submit to him.

Secondly the Pagan human sacrifices were made to appease their gods.
They were not made for the same reason that Christ's sacrifice was.

It
is not a copy of their sacrifice, because their intentions were
completely different. Pagan sacrifices were made to EARN the love or
favor of their angry gods. Christ's sacrifice was actually God showing
his love to us through the act of his sacrifice.

As far as How do I know that what Christ said is what Christ said,
there is lots of evidence, and I will be posting it.

I don't have it
available right now, but consider this. How do you know that the
declaration of independance is accurate?

How do you know that George
Washington actually existed?

How do you know that "Four score and seven
years ago" actually came out of Lincoln's mouth, and what did he REALLY
mean by it. You take all those things for granted, and you take them as
factual examples of accurate history. I would argue that the Bible, and
the words of Christ should not be treated with any greater scrutiny
than any other historical document or figure. Yet it is, Explain that
mr "Paranormal Agnostic"

"WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH DILIGENCE"
-- The Buddha

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp