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"RainLover" |
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27 Apr 2004 10:22:06 PM |
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Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
From another thread... I point good enough for it's own thread.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:24:39 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote:
Christ was taught all things by the Father and didn't need to
learn other disciplines anywhere.
I have a question I hope we can discuss...
The bible says that Jesus lived as a man... was tempted, etc, correct?
How could a man be tempted, if it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to give into temptation? It's a fore drawn
conclusion that a 'perfect' Jesus COULD never have given into temptation, so how could He actually
have had a real threat of 'giving in' to it?
Since He could *NOT* have given in to temptation, He was never TRULY tempted.
And, furthermore, since He was never able to give into temptation, he never could have experienced
the human feeling's that come with such failures in life.
Also, if Jesus was taught ALL things by God, then how could Jesus know any failure? How could He
know triumph or success?
For example: If a 13 year old Jesus was learning to ride a bike and God had already taught Him, how
could he ever fall, or skin his knee, or try over and over for weeks, failing every time, until,
finally, in clicked and He Understood... excited and triumphant that he figured it out.
He could NOT have ever failed since God had already taught Him this.
In the end, how could Jesus have lived any sort of life "as a man" since He could NEVER experience
what it was like to truly be a fallable, imperfect, fragile human being?
James, Seattle
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
04 May 2004 02:53:26 PM |
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"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
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From another thread... I point good enough for it's own thread.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:24:39 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Christ was taught all things by the Father and didn't need to
learn other disciplines anywhere.
I have a question I hope we can discuss...
The bible says that Jesus lived as a man... was tempted, etc, correct?
How could a man be tempted, if it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to give into
temptation?
He couldn't, in order to be *tempted* one has to *desire it*
It's a fore drawn conclusion that a 'perfect' Jesus COULD never have
given into temptation,
I don't agree, but such are opinions, His perfection wasn't that He
couldn't, but in that He didn't
so how could He actually have had a real threat of 'giving in' to it?
Just like you and me.
Since He could *NOT* have given in to temptation, He was never TRULY
tempted.
If such were true, you would be correct.
And, furthermore, since He was never able to give into temptation, he
never could have experienced
the human feeling's that come with such failures in life.
Correct, He wooldn't, IF what you say were true.
<snip>
James, Seattle
Glenn, Houston
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
13 May 2004 12:03:01 AM |
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Not so. Any person seeking truth will find in the scriptures, the way to
find the truth. Scriptures do not and cannot lead any person into atheism.
Atheism is a religion a person follows and believes in. It is a belief
system the same as religion is a belief system.
Scriptures, especially the new testaments, do not speak of any belief
system; they offer a way to "know" the truth. Both atheists and religionists
reject this way preferring their mere belief systems.
Jesus of Nazareth was "perfected" by God. He was the first to enter into and
follow the way in and by which God perfects His creation called "man."
Although he learned the way from the writings of David, he remained true and
faithful to all he was taught by God where others didn't and fell away from
the teachings of God.
This man, Jesus of Nazareth, died a spiritual death in order to receive life
from God as the Son of God; the creation of God in mind and spirit.
The disciples of this man, having been taught the way to know the truth,
entered into and followed this way, receiving the same truth he did,
becoming the Sons of God and becoming perfected by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
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From another thread... I point good enough for it's own thread.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:24:39 GMT, "Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>
wrote:
Christ was taught all things by the Father and didn't need to
learn other disciplines anywhere.
I have a question I hope we can discuss...
The bible says that Jesus lived as a man... was tempted, etc, correct?
How could a man be tempted, if it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to give into
temptation?
He couldn't, in order to be *tempted* one has to *desire it*
It's a fore drawn conclusion that a 'perfect' Jesus COULD never have
given into temptation,
I don't agree, but such are opinions, His perfection wasn't that He
couldn't, but in that He didn't
so how could He actually have had a real threat of 'giving in' to it?
Just like you and me.
Since He could *NOT* have given in to temptation, He was never TRULY
tempted.
If such were true, you would be correct.
And, furthermore, since He was never able to give into temptation, he
never could have experienced
the human feeling's that come with such failures in life.
Correct, He wooldn't, IF what you say were true.
<snip>
James, Seattle
Glenn, Houston
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
14 May 2004 01:39:03 PM |
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"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10a5pd4edke8n8b@corp.supernews.com..
Not so. Any person seeking truth will find in the scriptures, the way to
find the truth. Scriptures do not and cannot lead any person into
atheism.....
I appear to have misstated my view, the scriptures are ink on paper, they
can't. of themselves do anything, AND / BUT if one turns to them, with
prayer, and the leading of God's Spirit, a seeker of truth will find it
"Seek and you shall find"
The problem though, is when one restricts the Spirit, as in insisting that
the texts must be taken LITERALLY, one CAN be led into atheism, I know,
because the literal text doesn't fit reality
<snipped good stuff>
The disciples of this man, having been taught the way to know the truth,
entered into and followed this way, receiving the same truth he did,
becoming the Sons of God and becoming perfected by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
14 May 2004 02:55:48 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:39:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10a5pd4edke8n8b@corp.supernews.com..
Not so. Any person seeking truth will find in the scriptures, the way to
find the truth. Scriptures do not and cannot lead any person into
atheism.....
I appear to have misstated my view, the scriptures are ink on paper, they
can't. of themselves do anything, AND / BUT if one turns to them, with
prayer, and the leading of God's Spirit, a seeker of truth will find it
"Seek and you shall find"
And some seek, and find Buddha, or seek and find Allah, or Wicca, or Atheism.
The problem though, is when one restricts the Spirit, as in insisting that
the texts must be taken LITERALLY, one CAN be led into atheism, I know,
because the literal text doesn't fit reality
There are MANY christians here who have just written you off as a false
christian trying to lead people away from Christ; how does that make you feel?
I say this because the bible is not only Error Free, but Literal even every
sense according to them and to suggest otherwise is to dilute God's Word.
Your idea of totally opening up yourself to the Holy Spirit and letting it
convince you of Jesus is this. . .
That's the EXACT technique needed and used by every oddball cult in the
world... Once someone "opens themselves up" and let's in whatever thinking or
belief is in front of them, they are gullible and ripe for the plucking.....
<snipped good stuff>
The disciples of this man, having been taught the way to know the truth,
entered into and followed this way, receiving the same truth he did,
becoming the Sons of God and becoming perfected by God.
The only "truth" you know is what the bible tells you. You don't believe the
bible was written and compiled by politians and religous leaders with an
agenda of getting the masses to obey them, but that's exactly what they did
and why the bible exists.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
14 May 2004 09:23:57 PM |
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"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
news:1m8aa0hb9333s28h7hmmmu74a1ub712hhf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:39:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10a5pd4edke8n8b@corp.supernews.com..
Not so. Any person seeking truth will find in the scriptures, the way
to
find the truth. Scriptures do not and cannot lead any person into
atheism.....
I appear to have misstated my view, the scriptures are ink on paper, they
can't. of themselves do anything, AND / BUT if one turns to them, with
prayer, and the leading of God's Spirit, a seeker of truth will find it
"Seek and you shall find"
And some seek, and find Buddha, or seek and find Allah, or Wicca, or
Atheism.
That they do
The problem though, is when one restricts the Spirit, as in insisting
that
the texts must be taken LITERALLY, one CAN be led into atheism, I know,
because the literal text doesn't fit reality
There are MANY christians here who have just written you off as a false
christian trying to lead people away from Christ; how does that make you
feel?
I hope you didn't think that you were introducing me to something new
I say this because the bible is not only Error Free, but Literal even
every
sense according to them and to suggest otherwise is to dilute God's Word.
It isn't "God's Word", but words which were inspired by peoples' belief in
Him.
Your idea of totally opening up yourself to the Holy Spirit and letting it
convince you of Jesus is this. . .
That's the EXACT technique needed and used by every oddball cult in the
world... Once someone "opens themselves up" and let's in whatever thinking
or
belief is in front of them, they are gullible and ripe for the
plucking.....
We all have our opinions.
<snipped good stuff>
The disciples of this man, having been taught the way to know the
truth,
entered into and followed this way, receiving the same truth he did,
becoming the Sons of God and becoming perfected by God.
The only "truth" you know is what the bible tells you. You don't believe
the
bible was written and compiled by politians and religous leaders with an
agenda of getting the masses to obey them, but that's exactly what they
did
and why the bible exists.
James, Seattle
Glenn (Christian Mystic) Houston
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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15 May 2004 09:32:00 AM |
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Thank you for presenting the epitome of a delusional religionist.
As with most religionists of the religion of Christianity, you are
anti-Christ. Which is to be against the way of Christ; the way of being
taught truth by God.
Many, many, atheists have come into existence because of religionists and
their false doctrine and teachings such as you and yours.
Scriptures are merely writings of mankind who wrote about the matters of
God. They are not God and are certainly not the Word of God. Because of
foolishness, religionists have used scriptures and their private
interpretation to do many evil things, including creating more and more
religious organizations.
Religion is a creation of mankind and his perverted mind. Religions of man
have nothing to do with the reality of God. Any person hating God does so
because of religionists.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
news:1m8aa0hb9333s28h7hmmmu74a1ub712hhf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:39:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10a5pd4edke8n8b@corp.supernews.com..
Not so. Any person seeking truth will find in the scriptures, the way
to
find the truth. Scriptures do not and cannot lead any person into
atheism.....
I appear to have misstated my view, the scriptures are ink on paper, they
can't. of themselves do anything, AND / BUT if one turns to them, with
prayer, and the leading of God's Spirit, a seeker of truth will find it
"Seek and you shall find"
And some seek, and find Buddha, or seek and find Allah, or Wicca, or
Atheism.
The problem though, is when one restricts the Spirit, as in insisting
that
the texts must be taken LITERALLY, one CAN be led into atheism, I know,
because the literal text doesn't fit reality
There are MANY christians here who have just written you off as a false
christian trying to lead people away from Christ; how does that make you
feel?
I say this because the bible is not only Error Free, but Literal even
every
sense according to them and to suggest otherwise is to dilute God's Word.
Your idea of totally opening up yourself to the Holy Spirit and letting it
convince you of Jesus is this. . .
That's the EXACT technique needed and used by every oddball cult in the
world... Once someone "opens themselves up" and let's in whatever thinking
or
belief is in front of them, they are gullible and ripe for the
plucking.....
<snipped good stuff>
The disciples of this man, having been taught the way to know the
truth,
entered into and followed this way, receiving the same truth he did,
becoming the Sons of God and becoming perfected by God.
The only "truth" you know is what the bible tells you. You don't believe
the
bible was written and compiled by politians and religous leaders with an
agenda of getting the masses to obey them, but that's exactly what they
did
and why the bible exists.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus couldn't have been perfect. |
15 May 2004 09:15:32 PM |
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Amen to that !!!
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10ac3ftckrcv671@corp.supernews.com...
Thank you for presenting the epitome of a delusional religionist.
As with most religionists of the religion of Christianity, you are
anti-Christ. Which is to be against the way of Christ; the way of being
taught truth by God.
Many, many, atheists have come into existence because of religionists and
their false doctrine and teachings such as you and yours.
Scriptures are merely writings of mankind who wrote about the matters of
God. They are not God and are certainly not the Word of God. Because of
foolishness, religionists have used scriptures and their private
interpretation to do many evil things, including creating more and more
religious organizations.
Religion is a creation of mankind and his perverted mind. Religions of man
have nothing to do with the reality of God. Any person hating God does so
because of religionists.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"RainLover" <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message
news:1m8aa0hb9333s28h7hmmmu74a1ub712hhf@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:39:03 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net> wrote in message
news:10a5pd4edke8n8b@corp.supernews.com..
Not so. Any person seeking truth will find in the scriptures, the way
to
find the truth. Scriptures do not and cannot lead any person into
atheism.....
I appear to have misstated my view, the scriptures are ink on paper,
they
can't. of themselves do anything, AND / BUT if one turns to them, with
prayer, and the leading of God's Spirit, a seeker of truth will find it
"Seek and you shall find"
And some seek, and find Buddha, or seek and find Allah, or Wicca, or
Atheism.
The problem though, is when one restricts the Spirit, as in insisting
that
the texts must be taken LITERALLY, one CAN be led into atheism, I know,
because the literal text doesn't fit reality
There are MANY christians here who have just written you off as a false
christian trying to lead people away from Christ; how does that make you
feel?
I say this because the bible is not only Error Free, but Literal even
every
sense according to them and to suggest otherwise is to dilute God's
Word.
Your idea of totally opening up yourself to the Holy Spirit and letting
it
convince you of Jesus is this. . .
That's the EXACT technique needed and used by every oddball cult in the
world... Once someone "opens themselves up" and let's in whatever
thinking
or
belief is in front of them, they are gullible and ripe for the
plucking.....
<snipped good stuff>
The disciples of this man, having been taught the way to know the
truth,
entered into and followed this way, receiving the same truth he did,
becoming the Sons of God and becoming perfected by God.
The only "truth" you know is what the bible tells you. You don't
believe
the
bible was written and compiled by politians and religous leaders with an
agenda of getting the masses to obey them, but that's exactly what they
did
and why the bible exists.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 May 2004 09:22:42 AM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:00 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
Thank you for presenting the epitome of a delusional religionist.
As with most religionists of the religion of Christianity, you are
anti-Christ. Which is to be against the way of Christ; the way of being
taught truth by God.
Many, many, atheists have come into existence because of religionists and
their false doctrine and teachings such as you and yours.
Scriptures are merely writings of mankind who wrote about the matters of
God. They are not God and are certainly not the Word of God. Because of
foolishness, religionists have used scriptures and their private
interpretation to do many evil things, including creating more and more
religious organizations.
Religion is a creation of mankind and his perverted mind. Religions of man
have nothing to do with the reality of God. Any person hating God does so
because of religionists.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Religion has nothing to do with the Bible, which is the
written word of God to mankind. If you cannot trust
that, then you need to throw your Bible out, since you
don't know what to trust in it, if anything.
It never ceases to amaze me how people learn about
Jesus through the Bible and trust what it says for
their salvation and then, once they claim to be saved,
then proceed to claim that the Bible isn't the written
word of God.
The fact is, that Jesus confirmed Scripture and the
Apostles preached from Scripture.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your
own image when it turns out that God hates all the same
people you do. - Anne Lamott
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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15 May 2004 09:21:04 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:00 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
<snipped good stuff>
DW Suiter
Son of God
Religion has nothing to do with the Bible, which is the
written word of God to mankind.
The only thing God wrote was the Ten Commandments.
If you cannot trust that, then you need to throw your Bible out, since you
don't know what to trust in it, if anything.
We trust the Holy Spirit
It never ceases to amaze me how people learn about
Jesus through the Bible and trust what it says for
their salvation and then, once they claim to be saved,
then proceed to claim that the Bible isn't the written
word of God.
Heb.6:1-4
The fact is, that Jesus confirmed Scripture and the
Apostles preached from Scripture.
The only scriptures existing in Jesus' time was the OT
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your
own image when it turns out that God hates all the same
people you do. - Anne Lamott
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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16 May 2004 10:04:12 AM |
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As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way in and
by which man learns truth from God.
Foolish religionists who have foolishly believed false religious doctrines,
cannot grasp fundamental principles of God.
There are two different scriptures. There are those written by man which are
now compiled into what is known as the "bible" and there are those God
engraves within mankind as promised.
Jesus of Nazareth was a "living stone" in which God engraved His Word. This
Word, is the only Word of God. It is the Word coming from the "mouth" of
God.
"Holy" scriptures are those God engraves in man according to His promise.
The scriptures of man are scriptures that speak of what is Holy.
Very foolish religionists reject the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth,
declared to be the way to know the truth. Instead, they make their bed with
fellow man, their mind being the seed bed and the false teachings of
religionists being the seed for this bed. These are the foolish ones for
they follow the way Adam followed which caused his death. Religionists
remain in this death because of the seed they prefer as they reject the Seed
from God.
Religionists are the enemy whom Jesus of Nazareth spoke of and condemned.
Their father is the devil as he declared. Religionists are not Sons of God.
Only the Sons of God have God as their Father. And their Teacher.
Religionists cannot rightfully call God their "Father."
Sons of God is what God predetermined "man" kind to be; the creation of God
in mind and spirit.
By rejecting the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth religionists reject their
salvation by God. They remain in what they have chosen for their selves;
false religious doctrines that keep them from coming to God to receive what
God has promised. They have chosen to believe the liar and deceiver instead
of Jesus of Nazareth.
Religion is a creation of religionists created as a replacement for God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:00 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
<snipped good stuff>
DW Suiter
Son of God
Religion has nothing to do with the Bible, which is the
written word of God to mankind.
The only thing God wrote was the Ten Commandments.
If you cannot trust that, then you need to throw your Bible out, since
you
don't know what to trust in it, if anything.
We trust the Holy Spirit
It never ceases to amaze me how people learn about
Jesus through the Bible and trust what it says for
their salvation and then, once they claim to be saved,
then proceed to claim that the Bible isn't the written
word of God.
Heb.6:1-4
The fact is, that Jesus confirmed Scripture and the
Apostles preached from Scripture.
The only scriptures existing in Jesus' time was the OT
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your
own image when it turns out that God hates all the same
people you do. - Anne Lamott
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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16 May 2004 02:46:03 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way in and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible, or if someone had not
told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose
you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side of the
flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye
dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the
LORD. - Joshua 24:15
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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20 May 2004 09:26:58 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:m6hfa09h49o4t84ehmblkin88mmr5omqr6@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way in
and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible,
God's Holy Spirit is not as LIMITED as you want to believe, He needs no book
to communicate with His people. He didn't need one to talk to us before the
Bible was written, and He doesn't need one now
That YOU think that YOU need a BOOK, doesn't mean that everyone else does.
or if someone had not told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
Just because you worship a BOOK, our God is, evidently, SILENT to you. I
pity you
"They have ears, but cannot hear !"
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose
you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side of the
flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye
dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the
LORD. - Joshua 24:15
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way in
and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible,
God's Holy Spirit is not as LIMITED as you want to believe, He needs no book
to communicate with His people. He didn't need one to talk to us before the
Bible was written, and He doesn't need one now
I did not limit the Holy Spirit to communicating
through a book.
That YOU think that YOU need a BOOK, doesn't mean that everyone else does.
Then why do you keep quoting that Book?
or if someone had not told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
Just because you worship a BOOK, our God is, evidently, SILENT to you. I
pity you
Where did I say that I worship a book? Why do you keep
falsely accusing me of this?
"They have ears, but cannot hear !"
Why do you quote the Bible you speak against?
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:26:58 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way
in and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible,
God's Holy Spirit is not as LIMITED as you want to believe, He needs no
book
to communicate with His people. He didn't need one to talk to us before
the
Bible was written, and He doesn't need one now
I did not limit the Holy Spirit to communicating
through a book.
So why do you think that everyone else should be ? Why are you so determined
that we couldn't know what we know without the Bible ?
That YOU think that YOU need a BOOK, doesn't mean that everyone else
does.
Then why do you keep quoting that Book?
Because people like you are limited to it, why do you use your Strong's ?
or if someone had not told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
Just because you worship a BOOK, our God is, evidently, SILENT to you. I
pity you
Where did I say that I worship a book?
In almost every post, that you have posted in this thread.
Why do you keep falsely accusing me of this?
John 1:1-5
"They have ears, but cannot hear !"
Why do you quote the Bible you speak against?
I speak against the idea that it is God's dictated word, because it isn't.
It isn't the Bible, itself, that I speak against.
Don't tell me that you don't quote from books written by imperfect human
beings, because you would be lying
--
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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22 May 2004 06:26:30 AM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:43:43 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:26:58 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way
in and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible,
God's Holy Spirit is not as LIMITED as you want to believe, He needs no
book
to communicate with His people. He didn't need one to talk to us before
the
Bible was written, and He doesn't need one now
I did not limit the Holy Spirit to communicating
through a book.
So why do you think that everyone else should be ? Why are you so determined
that we couldn't know what we know without the Bible ?
That YOU think that YOU need a BOOK, doesn't mean that everyone else
does.
Then why do you keep quoting that Book?
Because people like you are limited to it, why do you use your Strong's ?
or if someone had not told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
Just because you worship a BOOK, our God is, evidently, SILENT to you. I
pity you
Where did I say that I worship a book?
In almost every post, that you have posted in this thread.
Why do you keep falsely accusing me of this?
John 1:1-5
"They have ears, but cannot hear !"
Why do you quote the Bible you speak against?
I speak against the idea that it is God's dictated word, because it isn't.
It isn't the Bible, itself, that I speak against.
Don't tell me that you don't quote from books written by imperfect human
beings, because you would be lying
You have some deep, deep problems. I would suggest
some counseling, of the Christian sort. I would also
suggest you sit down and talk to a minister. Either
your brain has been seriously affected by your tragedy,
or you are simply a heretic.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"Wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in
the world believed that the world was flat? And
up until like what, 50 years ago, you all thought
the atom was the smallest thing, until you split
it open and this like, whole mess of crap came out.
Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably
arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny
tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?"
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:43:43 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:26:58 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
<snip>
I speak against the idea that it is God's dictated word, because it
isn't.
It isn't the Bible, itself, that I speak against.
Don't tell me that you don't quote from books written by imperfect human
beings, because you would be lying
You have some deep, deep problems. I would suggest
some counseling,
I counsel in prayer and meditation with the Holy Spirit
of the Christian sort. I would also
suggest you sit down and talk to a minister.
Yeah, you would suggest leaning on human beings, rather than on God, for
spiritual insight, now why isn't that surprising ?
Either your brain has been seriously affected by your tragedy,
or you are simply a heretic.
Nice cop-out
--
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"Wasn't there a time when the brightest minds in
the world believed that the world was flat? And
up until like what, 50 years ago, you all thought
the atom was the smallest thing, until you split
it open and this like, whole mess of crap came out.
Now, are you telling me that you are so unbelievably
arrogant that you can't admit that there's a teeny
tiny possibility that you could be wrong about this?"
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17 May 2004 01:10:24 AM |
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As with many intellectually deprived religionists you have made the bible
your God, denying and rejecting the true God and Father of Jesus of
Nazareth.
So be it. You shall receive your reward and know the reality of the
consequences of rejecting God because of your love for the abomination
called religion. Religionists crucified the Christ, and continue to do so in
this day and hour. How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a blasphemer
having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God?
But them you are too dense to conceive what I speak of for you are not of
God. You are a religionist.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way in
and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible, or if someone had not
told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose
you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side of the
flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye
dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the
LORD. - Joshua 24:15
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20 May 2004 09:35:40 PM |
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As with many intellectually deprived religionists you have made the bible
your God, denying and rejecting the true God and Father of Jesus of
Nazareth.
So much so, that the idea that others can hear God without some book, is so
totally incomprehensible to Him, that he can't accept fact that God can talk
directly to people
He is convinced that we *must* have gotten our beliefs enirely from that
IDOL of his.
So be it. You shall receive your reward and know the reality of the
consequences of rejecting God because of your love for the abomination
called religion. Religionists crucified the Christ, and continue to do so
in
this day and hour. How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a blasphemer
having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit of
God?
Yes, trying to LIMIT the Holy Spirit to the words of a book, is blasphemous
But them you are too dense to conceive what I speak of for you are not of
God. You are a religionist.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 08:04:12 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As Glenn has stated, the Holy Spirit of and from God is the only way in
and
by which man learns truth from God.
And you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit, if you had
not read about it in the Bible, or if someone had not
told you about it, after they learned it from the
Bible.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose
you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which
your fathers served that were on the other side of the
flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye
dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the
LORD. - Joshua 24:15
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17 May 2004 05:51:17 AM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:10:24 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As with many intellectually deprived religionists you have made the bible
your God, denying and rejecting the true God and Father of Jesus of
Nazareth.
So be it. You shall receive your reward and know the reality of the
consequences of rejecting God because of your love for the abomination
called religion. Religionists crucified the Christ, and continue to do so in
this day and hour. How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a blasphemer
having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit of God?
Now how do you know that's "the unpardonable sin"?
Oh wait, that's right, THE BIBLE says it is...
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
Oh, I'm sorry, you don't get to use that, because you
said we're supposed to put the Bible down, remember?
Hypocrite!
But them you are too dense to conceive what I speak of for you are not of
God. You are a religionist.
You are acting stupid. You cannot refute what I said,
so you attack me on a personal level.
The fact is, you wouldn't know about the Holy Spirit,
if you had not read about it in the Bible, or if
someone had not told you about it, after they learned
it from the Bible.
The Bible tells us of the Bereans.
Acts 17:10-12
10) And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and
Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into
the synagogue of the Jews.
11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of
mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those
things were so.
12) Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable
women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
Note that the Bereans were called more noble than those
in Thessalonica for two reasons.
1) They received the word with readiness of mind. In
other words, they were open to God's Word.
2) They SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, WHETHER THOSE
THINGS WERE SO.
I.e., If it wasn't in Scripture, they were not going to
believe Paul, period. God's Word was the final
authority.
Again, for the ABOVE TWO REASONS, they were considered
"MORE NOBLE" than those in Thessalonica.
And notice the key closing statement... "THEREFORE
many of them believed..." They believed not just
because Paul (or some pope) said so, but because it was
backed up by SCRIPTURE. "Therefore.... i.e., Because
of that..."
Now go ahead and tell ME that I worship the Bible,
because I provided this example, after YOU told me I
was blaspheming the Holy Ghost, which statement is to
be found IN THE BIBLE. You're a lying hypocrite.
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
If your bible is falling apart, chances are your
life is staying together.
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20 May 2004 09:40:16 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:10:24 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As with many intellectually deprived religionists you have made the bible
your God, denying and rejecting the true God and Father of Jesus of
Nazareth.
So be it. You shall receive your reward and know the reality of the
consequences of rejecting God because of your love for the abomination
called religion. Religionists crucified the Christ, and continue to do so
in
this day and hour. How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a
blasphemer
having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit of
God?
Now how do you know that's "the unpardonable sin"?
Oh wait, that's right, THE BIBLE says it is...
No, because the Holy Spirit talks to us, just as He talked to they who He
inspired to write the scriptures...
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
Oh, I'm sorry, you don't get to use that, because you
said we're supposed to put the Bible down,
At least stop worshipping it.
<snip>
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:40:16 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fv5ha0p7rlobsh89skdnq3cfmtkq2uvjo3@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:10:24 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As with many intellectually deprived religionists you have made the bible
your God, denying and rejecting the true God and Father of Jesus of
Nazareth.
So be it. You shall receive your reward and know the reality of the
consequences of rejecting God because of your love for the abomination
called religion. Religionists crucified the Christ, and continue to do so
in this day and hour. How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a
blasphemer having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit of
God?
Now how do you know that's "the unpardonable sin"?
Oh wait, that's right, THE BIBLE says it is...
No, because the Holy Spirit talks to us, just as He talked to they who He
inspired to write the scriptures...
So then you didn't repeat a phrase that is written in
the Bible?
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways. You
repeated that phrase, because you read it in the Bible.
At least be honest enough to admit that.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)
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21 May 2004 09:29:04 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:40:16 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 23:10:24 -0700, "DW Suiter"
<dwsuiter@toast.net> posted thusly:
As with many intellectually deprived religionists you have made the
bible
your God, denying and rejecting the true God and Father of Jesus of
Nazareth.
So be it. You shall receive your reward and know the reality of the
consequences of rejecting God because of your love for the abomination
called religion. Religionists crucified the Christ, and continue to do
so
in this day and hour. How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a
blasphemer having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the
Holy Spirit of
God?
Now how do you know that's "the unpardonable sin"?
Oh wait, that's right, THE BIBLE says it is...
No, because the Holy Spirit talks to us, just as He talked to they who He
inspired to write the scriptures...
So then you didn't repeat a phrase that is written in
the Bible?
That phrase is written in several books, heck, it is written in many posts
found within these newsgroups, are they all "God's written word to men" as
well ?
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Huh ?
You repeated that phrase, because you read it in the Bible.
People who can't even read have used that phrase !
At least be honest enough to admit that.
Admit what ?
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
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"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:29:04 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
How does it feel to be anti-Christ? To be a
blasphemer having committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the
Holy Spirit of God?
Now how do you know that's "the unpardonable sin"?
Oh wait, that's right, THE BIBLE says it is...
No, because the Holy Spirit talks to us, just as He talked to they who He
inspired to write the scriptures...
So then you didn't repeat a phrase that is written in
the Bible?
That phrase is written in several books, heck, it is written in many posts
found within these newsgroups, are they all "God's written word to men" as
well ?
Where did they quote the phrase about blasphemy of the
Holy Ghost from?
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
We both know that's where it came from. Why do you try
to dance around that? Never mind, we both know why.
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Huh ?
You repeated that phrase, because you read it in the Bible.
People who can't even read have used that phrase !
And they heard it because someone quoted it from the
Bible. You can even take it down the line through 100
people and at some point, it started with someone
quoting it from the Bible.
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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25 May 2004 09:35:16 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 21:29:04 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
<snip>
That phrase is written in several books, heck, it is written in many
posts
found within these newsgroups, are they all "God's written word to men"
as
well ?
Where did they quote the phrase about blasphemy of the
Holy Ghost from?
From the Holy Spirit !
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
And WHERE do you think Matthew got this from ?
We both know that's where it came from.
Jesus ! On who the Dove (Holy Spirit) came ! Thus from the Holy Spirit !
Point being, the Bible isn't the Source, God the Holy Spirit, is the Source
Why do you try to dance around that?
Dance around what ? That God's Holy Spirit, is the Source ? I am not the one
dancing around anything, here, EVEN the Bible states that it was inspired by
the Holy Spirit
Never mind, we both know why.
Why what ? That you want something you can both see, and touch, (a BOOK) to
depend on ?
The Israelis did the same with the Temple, for God lived there, they leaned
on it, and saw it burned down, as they were taken into the Babylonian
captivity !
I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Huh ?
You repeated that phrase, because you read it in the Bible.
People who can't even read have used that phrase !
And they heard it because someone quoted it from the
Bible.
Or received it from the Holy Spirit, or saw or heard it from somewhere else.
You can even take it down the line through 100
people and at some point, it started with someone
quoting it from the Bible.
Wrong, it started BEFORE the Bible was written, let alone compiled
OR
Was Jesus quoting the Bible when HE first said it ??? What a SILLY argument
you have going !
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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25 May 2004 12:03:13 PM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:35:16 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
Where did they quote the phrase about blasphemy of the
Holy Ghost from?
From the Holy Spirit !
Nope.
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
And WHERE do you think Matthew got this from ?
Jesus, in person, in the flesh. And he wrote it down
for us.
We both know that's where it came from.
Jesus ! On who the Dove (Holy Spirit) came ! Thus from the Holy Spirit !
Are you Jesus? No, didn't think so. Don't compare
yourself to God.
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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25 May 2004 10:04:02 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:35:16 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
Where did they quote the phrase about blasphemy of the
Holy Ghost from?
From the Holy Spirit !
Nope.
Yes
(Your turn)
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
And WHERE do you think Matthew got this from ?
Jesus, in person, in the flesh.
Correct. Where did Jesus get it from ?
And he wrote it down for us.
Jesus wrote nothing.
We both know that's where it came from.
Jesus ! On who the Dove (Holy Spirit) came ! Thus from the Holy Spirit !
Are you Jesus?
John 17, do you think Jesus' prayer was ever answered ?
I am one with Jesus, His source, is my source
No, didn't think so. Don't compare yourself to God.
Rev.3:21
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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25 May 2004 01:14:58 PM |
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:35:16 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
Where did they quote the phrase about blasphemy of the
Holy Ghost from?
From the Holy Spirit !
Yes!
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
And WHERE do you think Matthew got this from ?
Jesus, in person, in the flesh. And he made it up
for us.
We both know that's where it came from.
Jesus ! On who the Dove (Holy Spirit) came ! Thus from the Holy Spirit !
Are you Jesus? Yes, sometimes I think I am that I am.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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25 May 2004 10:06:47 PM |
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You are far closer to the truth than the other Dave :-)
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 May 2004 09:35:16 -0500, "Glenn \(Christian
Mystic\)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> posted thusly:
Where did they quote the phrase about blasphemy of the
Holy Ghost from?
From the Holy Spirit !
Yes!
"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."
- Matthew 12:31
And WHERE do you think Matthew got this from ?
Jesus, in person, in the flesh. And he made it up
for us.
We both know that's where it came from.
Jesus ! On who the Dove (Holy Spirit) came ! Thus from the Holy Spirit !
Are you Jesus? Yes, sometimes I think I am that I am.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my
lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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23 May 2004 01:12:20 AM |
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Dave, you should be able to comprehend, men wrote what is called scriptures.
Any truth written by them about God came from God, not scriptures. God is
able to teach man truth; able to reveal truth. There is no need for the
writings of others of mankind when God is able to teach truth.
The way of religion is condemned by God because religionists pollute and
defile the Word and truth from God because they refuse to submit to God so
they could learn truth. God commits no errors when teaching truth. Man and
his religions do. And all religions base their beliefs on private
interpretations of scripture.
God did not establish religion nor scriptures as the way to know the truth.
He established a way of spirit, whereby God conveys truth from His mind into
the minds of those able to receive His Word which comes directly from Him.
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