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21 Jan 2008 06:13:56 AM |
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Jesus is an Ascended Master |
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Jesus, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master. That means (1)
that Jesus ascended, which is recorded in the Bible (actually He
ascended twice, once into heaven right after the Resurrection and once
again after 40 days, when He ascended above the heights of the
clouds); and (2) that Jesus is a Master. "Ye call me Master and Lord:
and ye say well; for so I am." (John 13:13)
What this means is that Jesus, even while incarnate, was the Master of
all phenomena in this universe. He could appear or disappear at will,
walk on water, or do any miracle whatsoever that He desired to do. If
He wanted to go without eating and pooping (Mark T.'s obsession), He
could easily do that. He was not bound in any way by nature's laws,
for He was the Master of them all.
People can respond in one of two ways to these simple facts, which are
well attested to in the Bible. They can either draw great inspiration
and desire to be like Jesus, which He came to make possible, or they
can become anti-Christs, who are jealous of the LORD, and so want to
deceive others about Him. Which do you choose to do? This is the
only decision you will ever have to make that really matters. This is
the yea or nay of belief in the LORD or enmity with the LORD.
I think you can readily recognize which people on this newsgroup have
made which decision. If Randy and Shmuel believed that Jesus was the
Master of all phenomena in the universe, then would they be arguing
interminably about whether He was finite or infinite? No. Would Mark
T. be worrying about whether He pooped his pants as an infant? No.
These are the concerns of people with their minds in the gutter, who
really don't believe that Jesus was a Master. Randy has said as much,
that he believes the notion of an Ascended Master is alien to
Christianity. I have cited John 13:13, so please realize that Randy
is a deceiver and no preacher at all.
If you doubt that you can become a Master, then just realize that if
Christ be born in you, you can do all that He did and more, for, as He
said, He has ascended unto His Father. He is now an Ascended Master,
as you can be also, when it is time for you to die.
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| User: "Robert Epstein" |
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21 Jan 2008 09:29:40 PM |
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Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup
which one? you're not refering to apz, which makes my point that it is
just an inappropriate cross-post.
robert
can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Jesus, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master. That means (1)
that Jesus ascended, which is recorded in the Bible (actually He
ascended twice, once into heaven right after the Resurrection and once
again after 40 days, when He ascended above the heights of the
clouds); and (2) that Jesus is a Master. "Ye call me Master and Lord:
and ye say well; for so I am." (John 13:13)
What this means is that Jesus, even while incarnate, was the Master of
all phenomena in this universe. He could appear or disappear at will,
walk on water, or do any miracle whatsoever that He desired to do. If
He wanted to go without eating and pooping (Mark T.'s obsession), He
could easily do that. He was not bound in any way by nature's laws,
for He was the Master of them all.
People can respond in one of two ways to these simple facts, which are
well attested to in the Bible. They can either draw great inspiration
and desire to be like Jesus, which He came to make possible, or they
can become anti-Christs, who are jealous of the LORD, and so want to
deceive others about Him. Which do you choose to do? This is the
only decision you will ever have to make that really matters. This is
the yea or nay of belief in the LORD or enmity with the LORD.
I think you can readily recognize which people on this newsgroup have
made which decision. If Randy and Shmuel believed that Jesus was the
Master of all phenomena in the universe, then would they be arguing
interminably about whether He was finite or infinite? No. Would Mark
T. be worrying about whether He pooped his pants as an infant? No.
These are the concerns of people with their minds in the gutter, who
really don't believe that Jesus was a Master. Randy has said as much,
that he believes the notion of an Ascended Master is alien to
Christianity. I have cited John 13:13, so please realize that Randy
is a deceiver and no preacher at all.
If you doubt that you can become a Master, then just realize that if
Christ be born in you, you can do all that He did and more, for, as He
said, He has ascended unto His Father. He is now an Ascended Master,
as you can be also, when it is time for you to die.
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| User: "" |
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21 Jan 2008 09:53:24 PM |
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On Jan 21, 7:29=A0pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup
which one? =A0you're not refering to apz, which makes my point that it is
just an inappropriate cross-post.
Actually, I think what I said does apply to apz. It is a fact that
your mind is in the gutter. Why? Because you have not set your mind
upon the goal, which is to become a true Master, whether it be a Zen
Master or an Ascended Master. Jesus provided a good example of one,
perhaps the only such example we have had in public in recorded
history.
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| User: "Robert Epstein" |
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21 Jan 2008 10:09:26 PM |
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wrote:
On Jan 21, 7:29 pm, Robert Epstein <vze25...@verizon.net> wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup
which one? you're not refering to apz, which makes my point that it is
just an inappropriate cross-post.
Actually, I think what I said does apply to apz. It is a fact that
your mind is in the gutter. Why? Because you have not set your mind
upon the goal, which is to become a true Master, whether it be a Zen
Master or an Ascended Master. Jesus provided a good example of one,
perhaps the only such example we have had in public in recorded
history.
you seem quite unaware of what my understanding is or my intention. I
think you are mostly in touch with your own set of limited views. But
do go on.
Robert
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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22 Jan 2008 01:53:26 PM |
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On Jan 21, 9:53 pm, wrote:
Actually, I think what I said does apply to apz. It is a fact that
your mind is in the gutter. Why? Because you have not set your mind
upon the goal, which is to become a true Master, whether it be a Zen
Master or an Ascended Master. Jesus provided a good example of one,
perhaps the only such example we have had in public in recorded
history.
Not if you read Eastern History. The Silk Road towns, from Jade Gate
west all the way to Astrakhan in the Volga delta, existed beyond the
hegemony of the Chinese, Persian, Roman, and Byzantine empires. Thus
religions had to compete without the support of central authority. And
when that happened, Christianity and Jesus, remained a niche market.
Kucha, the pre-eminent city on the Eastern end, had the shrines for 22
religions, and a college town atmosphere where they translated
Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, Tibetan, Zoroastrian, and other sacred
texts among 20 languages. There were a small number of Nestorian
Christians, but basically, Biblical scripture could not stand up to
the competition.
Now that we have the Internet to parse out what the Bible says, or
does not say, the competition will become tougher.
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| User: "" |
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22 Jan 2008 02:05:14 PM |
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On Jan 22, 11:53=A0am, Day Brown <daybr...@hughes.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 9:53 pm, wrote:> Actually, I think what=
I said does apply to apz. =A0It is a fact that
your mind is in the gutter. =A0Why? =A0Because you have not set your min=
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upon the goal, which is to become a true Master, whether it be a Zen
Master or an Ascended Master. =A0Jesus provided a good example of one,
perhaps the only such example we have had in public in recorded
history.
Not if you read Eastern History. The Silk Road towns, from Jade Gate
west all the way to Astrakhan in the Volga delta, existed beyond the
hegemony of the Chinese, Persian, Roman, and Byzantine empires. Thus
religions had to compete without the support of central authority. And
when that happened, Christianity and Jesus, remained a niche market.
Kucha, the pre-eminent city on the Eastern end, had the shrines for 22
religions, and a college town atmosphere where they translated
Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, Tibetan, Zoroastrian, and other sacred
texts among 20 languages. There were a small number of Nestorian
Christians, but basically, Biblical scripture could not stand up to
the competition.
Now that we have the Internet to parse out what the Bible says, or
does not say, the competition will become tougher.
Put up your dukes. What have you got?
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| User: "Karl Johanson" |
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24 Jan 2008 12:19:06 AM |
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Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Batman, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master.
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| User: "Monkey Mind" |
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24 Jan 2008 03:59:36 AM |
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"Karl Johanson" <karljohanson@shaw.ca> writes:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Batman, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master.
Always remember: King Kong died for your sins!
Cheers,
Florian
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Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2008 05:53:52 AM |
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On Jan 24, 1:59=A0am, (Monkey Mind) wrote:
"Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@shaw.ca> writes:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Batman, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master.
Always remember: King Kong died for your sins!
Cheers,
Florian
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Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
Does it make you a better person, Brother?
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| User: "Monkey Mind" |
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24 Jan 2008 12:11:06 PM |
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writes:
On Jan 24, 1:59 am, (Monkey Mind) wrote:
"Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@shaw.ca> writes:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Batman, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master.
Always remember: King Kong died for your sins!
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
Does it make you a better person, Brother?
Dear Friend,
I can't abide a dangling comparative: Better than *who*?
Anyway, that was a quotation out of the Principia Discordia. I
thought it was apt.
Oh, you meant the Epicurus line. Dharma for olive-eaters.
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2008 12:14:03 PM |
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On Jan 24, 10:11=A0am, (Monkey Mind) wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net writes:
On Jan 24, 1:59=A0am, (Monkey Mind) wrote:
"Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@shaw.ca> writes:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and fo=
r
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing tha=
t
Batman, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master.
Always remember: King Kong died for your sins!
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
Does it make you a better person, Brother?
Dear Friend,
I can't abide a dangling comparative: Better than *who*?
Anyway, that was a quotation out of the Principia Discordia. =A0I
thought it was apt.
Oh, you meant the Epicurus line. =A0Dharma for olive-eaters.
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
No, I meant your empathy for King Kong, which I also share. I don't
much like modern "civilization."
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| User: "Monkey Mind" |
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25 Jan 2008 03:25:49 AM |
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writes:
No, I meant your empathy for King Kong, which I also share. I don't
much like modern "civilization."
I do actually. Being able to post to usenet on frivolous topics such
as this, being quite certain that dinner will be served on schedule,
and that the drug store will have aspirin in stock, and that I can
dump my clothes in the washing machine, and they will come out nice
and fresh in the morning, all this while sitting in a room with
central heating, is an amenity not to be looked down upon. Of course,
all this comes at a price, and it's worthwile to reflect on that -
which is a lot easier to do from this situation than when freezing,
hungry, or miserable.
Do you prefer the modern "barbarians"? What would they be?
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
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| User: "" |
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25 Jan 2008 04:51:53 AM |
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On Jan 25, 1:25=A0am, (Monkey Mind) wrote:
pjmutn...@sbcglobal.net writes:
No, I meant your empathy for King Kong, which I also share. =A0I don't
much like modern "civilization."
I do actually. =A0Being able to post to usenet on frivolous topics such
as this, being quite certain that dinner will be served on schedule,
and that the drug store will have aspirin in stock, and that I can
dump my clothes in the washing machine, and they will come out nice
and fresh in the morning, all this while sitting in a room with
central heating, is an amenity not to be looked down upon. =A0Of course,
all this comes at a price, and it's worthwile to reflect on that -
which is a lot easier to do from this situation than when freezing,
hungry, or miserable.
Do you prefer the modern "barbarians"? =A0What would they be?
Cheers,
Florian
--
Every man passes out of life as if he had just been born.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Epicurus (Vatican Sayings 60)
I'm with Gandhi. When asked what he thought of Western civilization,
he said he thought it would be a good idea. As for the amenties I
would prefer, they include being able to dematerialize and
rematerialize the body at will.
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| User: "Don Stockbauer" |
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25 Jan 2008 05:23:36 AM |
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Jesus is an Ascended Master
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Really? I thought He was merely a simplistic philosopher who preached
love and who had a rather messy death and who preachers for 2,000
interminable years now have used His name to collect wads of filthy,
disgusting, soul-corrupting money unto themselves. *****-ended master?
Shirley, you jest.
- Tex
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| User: "" |
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25 Jan 2008 10:02:22 PM |
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On Jan 25, 3:23=A0am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jesus is an Ascended Master
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Really? =A0I thought He was merely a simplistic philosopher who preached
love and who had a rather messy death and who preachers for 2,000
interminable years now have used His name to collect wads of filthy,
disgusting, soul-corrupting money unto themselves. =A0Ass-ended master?
Shirley, you jest.
- Tex
Good, flush your spiritual potential down the toilet. You don't need
it.
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| User: "" |
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24 Jan 2008 12:29:44 AM |
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On Jan 23, 10:19=A0pm, "Karl Johanson" <karljohan...@shaw.ca> wrote:
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Batman, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master.
No, he is not, but Superman may very well be. As I have explained the
formula from Isaiah 9:6 applies:
He shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God (Gibor-El),
The Everlasting Father (Jor-El), The Prince of Peace (Kal-El). Gibor-
El, in the center is Gabriel, and the five of them together are
Michael, whose Divine Name is AHJH, or EHYEH, or I AM.
BTW, I am not joking about this. I believe the Superman myth is as
real as anything else in the old or new testament, if not more real.
It is, in a sense, the antidote to the evil G-D of the old testament,
whose name is JHVH.
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| User: "brian fletcher" |
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21 Jan 2008 08:14:58 AM |
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Your version of God didnt create mind to live in the gutter. Thats your bad
judgment...Yet another case of discriminating reading..ignoring the "judge
not" bit.
That "master of all" also was quoted in Mathew, as telling his followers,
they could go and do even greater things that "I"..
That confirms the "living proof" available to those with "ears to hear".
Spirituality is about discovering your own divinity and authentic nature,
not studying history, or others experiences, masters included, which is why
genuine ones just point the way how to discover 'self'.
It is is living reality. Books only contain shadows of second hand versions
from past and different languages, and is why, not only followes of
different 'books' can get antagonistic to each other, but even those from
the same 'read'.
Then why am I writing this. To convince you of my experiences.? No.
Ill leave you to work that out.
BOfL
<pjmutnick@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1f27b403-8dd7-4f88-8ad3-969b8df76fb7@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
Alot of the foolishness on this newsgroup can be parried once and for
all by simply getting your minds out of the gutter and realizing that
Jesus, whatever else He may be, is an Ascended Master. That means (1)
that Jesus ascended, which is recorded in the Bible (actually He
ascended twice, once into heaven right after the Resurrection and once
again after 40 days, when He ascended above the heights of the
clouds); and (2) that Jesus is a Master. "Ye call me Master and Lord:
and ye say well; for so I am." (John 13:13)
What this means is that Jesus, even while incarnate, was the Master of
all phenomena in this universe. He could appear or disappear at will,
walk on water, or do any miracle whatsoever that He desired to do. If
He wanted to go without eating and pooping (Mark T.'s obsession), He
could easily do that. He was not bound in any way by nature's laws,
for He was the Master of them all.
People can respond in one of two ways to these simple facts, which are
well attested to in the Bible. They can either draw great inspiration
and desire to be like Jesus, which He came to make possible, or they
can become anti-Christs, who are jealous of the LORD, and so want to
deceive others about Him. Which do you choose to do? This is the
only decision you will ever have to make that really matters. This is
the yea or nay of belief in the LORD or enmity with the LORD.
I think you can readily recognize which people on this newsgroup have
made which decision. If Randy and Shmuel believed that Jesus was the
Master of all phenomena in the universe, then would they be arguing
interminably about whether He was finite or infinite? No. Would Mark
T. be worrying about whether He pooped his pants as an infant? No.
These are the concerns of people with their minds in the gutter, who
really don't believe that Jesus was a Master. Randy has said as much,
that he believes the notion of an Ascended Master is alien to
Christianity. I have cited John 13:13, so please realize that Randy
is a deceiver and no preacher at all.
If you doubt that you can become a Master, then just realize that if
Christ be born in you, you can do all that He did and more, for, as He
said, He has ascended unto His Father. He is now an Ascended Master,
as you can be also, when it is time for you to die.
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