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JESUS IS THE CREATOR. |
JESUS IS THE CREATOR.
(Colossians 155-17 NASB)
15 1 He is the a image of the b invisible God, the c firstborn of all creation.
16 For 1 a by Him all things were created, aboth in the heavens and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether b thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- c all
things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He 1 a is before all things, and in Him all things 2 hold together. 1
The Glories of Christ the Church's Head (1:15-23)
1:15 In the next four verses, we have the Lord Jesus described: (1) in His
relationship to God (v. 15); (2) in His relationship to creation (vv. 16, 17); and
(3) in His relationship to the church (v. 18).
The Lord is here described as the image of the invisible God. Image carries with
it at least two ideas. First, it conveys the thought that the Lord Jesus has enabled
us to see what God is like. God is Spirit and is therefore invisible. But in the
Person of Christ, God made Himself visible to mortal eyes. In that sense the
Lord Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Whoever has seen Him has seen the
Father (see John 14:9). But the word image also conveys the idea of
"representative." God had originally placed Adam on the earth to represent His
interests, but Adam failed. Therefore, God sent His only begotten Son into the
world as His Representative to care for His interests and to reveal His heart of
love to man. In that sense, He is the image of God. The same word image is used
in 3:10, where believers are said to be the image of Christ.
Christ is also the firstborn over all creation, or "of every created being." What
does this mean? Some false teachers suggest that the Lord Jesus is Himself a
created being, that He was the first Person whom God ever made. Some of them
are even willing to go so far as to admit that He is the greatest creature ever to
come from the hand of God. But nothing could be more directly contrary to the
teaching of the word of God.
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1 Lit Who is
a 2 Cor 4:4
b John 1:1
c Rom 8:29
1 Or in
a Eph 1:10
b Eph 1:20f; Col 2:15
c John 1:3; Rom 11:36; 1 Cor 8:6
1 Or has existed prior to
a John 1:1; 8:58
2 Or endure
1New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Col 1:15-17). LaHabra,
CA: The Lockman Foundation.
KJV King James Version
2MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary :
Old and New Testaments (Col 1:15). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
a Gen 1:1; Col 1:17; 1 John 1:1
b John 1:14; Rev 19:13
c John 17:5; 1 John 1:2
d Phil 2:6
1 Lit This one
a John 1:10; 1 Cor 8:6; Col 1:16; Heb 1:2
a John 5:26; 11:25; 14:6
b John 8:12; 9:5; 12:46
a John 3:19
1 Or overpower
3New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Jn 1:1-5). LaHabra, CA:
The Lockman Foundation.
NKJV New King James Version
4MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary :
Old and New Testaments (Jn 1:1). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
5McGee, J. V. (1997, c1981). Thru the Bible commentary. Based on the Thru
the Bible radio program. (electronic ed.) (4:369-370). Nashville: Thomas
Nelson.
The expression "firstborn" has at least three different meanings in Scripture. In
Luke 2:7, it is used in a literal sense, where Mary brought forth her firstborn Son.
There it means that the Lord Jesus was the first Child to whom she gave birth. In
Exodus 4:22, on the other hand, it is used in a figurative sense. "Israel is My son,
even My firstborn." In that verse there is no thought of an actual birth having
taken place, but the Lord is using this word to describe the distinctive place
which the nation of Israel had in His plans and purposes. Finally, in Psalm 89:27,
the word "firstborn" is used to designate a place of superiority, of supremacy, of
uniqueness. There God says that He will make David His firstborn, higher than
the kings of the earth. David was actually the last-born son of Jesse according to
the flesh. But God determined to give him a place of unique supremacy, primacy,
and sovereignty.
Is not that exactly the thought of Colossians 1:15-the firstborn over all creation?
The Lord Jesus Christ is God's unique Son. In one sense all believers are sons of
God, but the Lord Jesus is God's Son in a way that is not true of any other. He
existed before all creation and occupies a position of supremacy over it. His is
the rank of eminence and dominion. The expression firstborn over all creation has
nothing to do with birth here. It simply means that He is God's Son by an eternal
relationship. It is a title of priority of position, and not simply one of time.
1:16 False teachers use verse 15 (especially in the KJV) to teach that the Lord
Jesus was a created being. Error can usually be refuted from the very passage of
Scripture which the cultists use. That is the case here. Verse 16 states
conclusively that the Lord Jesus is not a creature, but the very Creator. In this
verse we learn that all things-the whole universe of things-were created not only
by Him but through Him and for Him. Each of these prepositions conveys a
different thought. First of all, we read that by Him all things were created. Here
the thought is that the power to create was in His Being. He was the Architect.
Later in the verse we learn that all things were created through Him. This speaks
of Him as the Agent in creation. He was the Person of the Godhead through
whom the creative act was performed. Also, all things were created for Him. He
is the One for whom all things were created, the goal of creation.
Paul goes to great lengths to emphasize that all things were created through
Christ, whether things in heaven, or things on earth. This leaves no loopholes for
anyone to suggest that although He created some things, He Himself was created
originally.
The apostle then goes on to state that the Lord's creation included things visible
and things invisible. The word visible needs no explanation, but doubtless the
Apostle Paul realized that when he said invisible he would arouse our curiosity.
Therefore, he proceeds to give a break-down of what he means by things
invisible. They include thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers. We believe
that these terms refer to angelic beings, although we cannot distinguish between
the different ranks of these intelligent beings.
The Gnostics taught that there were various ranks and classes of spirit beings
between God and matter, and that Christ belonged to one of these classes. In
our day the Spiritists claim that Jesus Christ is an advanced spirit of the sixth
sphere. Jehovah's Witnesses teach that before our Lord came into the world, He
was a created angel and none other than the archangel Michael! Here Paul
vigorously refutes such absurd notions by stating in the clearest possible terms
that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of angels-in fact, of all beings, whether
visible or invisible.
1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Paul says, "He is before
all things," not "He was before all things." The present tense is often used in the
Bible to describe the timelessness of Deity. The Lord Jesus said, for instance:
"Before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58).
Not only did the Lord Jesus exist before there was any creation, but also in Him
all things consist. This means that He is the Sustainer of the universe and the
Source of its perpetual motion. He controls the stars and the sun and the moon.
Even while He was here on earth He was the One who was controlling the laws
by which our universe functions in an orderly manner.
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(John 1-5 NASB)
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1 a In the beginning was b the Word, and the Word was c with God, and d the
Word was God.
2 1 He was in the beginning with God.
3 a All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came
into being that has come into being.
4 a In Him was life, and the life was b the Light of men.
5 a The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not 1 comprehend it.
3
Jehovah's Witness misinterpret this as v1 the Word was "a" god.
The Word in Eternity and Time (1:1-5)
1:1 In the beginning was the Word. He did not have a beginning Himself, but
existed from all eternity. As far as the human mind can go back, the Lord Jesus
was there. He never was created. He had no beginning. (A genealogy would be
out of place in this Gospel of the Son of God.) The Word was with God. He had
a separate and distinct personality. He was not just an idea, a thought, or some
vague kind of example, but a real Person who lived with God. The Word was
God. He not only dwelt with God, but He Himself was God.
The Bible teaches that there is one God and that there are three Persons in the
Godhead-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. All three of these Persons are
God. In this verse, two of the Persons of the Godhead are mentioned-God the
Father and God the Son. It is the first of many clear statements in this Gospel that
Jesus Christ is God. It is not enough to say that He is "a god," that He is godlike,
or that He is divine. The Bible teaches that He is God.
1:2 Verse 2 would appear to be a mere repetition of what has been said, but
actually it is not. This verse teaches that Christ's personality and deity were
without beginning. He did not become a person for the first time as the Babe of
Bethlehem. Nor did He somehow become a god after His resurrection, as some
teach today. He is God from all eternity.
1:3 All things were made through Him. He Himself was not a created being;
rather He was the Creator of all things. This includes mankind, the animals, the
heavenly planets, the angels -all things visible and invisible. Without Him nothing
was made that was made. There can be no possible exception. If a thing was
made, He made it. As Creator, He is, of course, superior to anything He has
created. All three Persons of the Godhead were involved in the work of creation:
"God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen. 1:1). "The Spirit of God was
hovering over the face of the waters" (Gen. 1:2). "All things were created through
Him (Christ) and for Him" (Col. 1:16b).
1:4 In Him was life. This does not simply mean that He possessed life, but that
He was and is the source of life. The word here includes both physical and
spiritual life. When we were born, we received physical life. When we are born
again, we receive spiritual life. Both come from Him.
The life was the light of men. The same One who supplied us with life is also the
light of men. He provides the guidance and direction necessary for man. It is one
thing to exist, but quite another to know how to live, to know the true purpose of
life, and to know the way to heaven. The same One who gave us life is the One
who provides us with light for the pathway we travel.
There are seven wonderful titles of our Lord Jesus Christ in this opening chapter
of the Gospel. He is called (1) the Word (vv. 1, 14); (2) the Light (vv. 5, 7); (3)
the Lamb of God (vv. 29, 36); (4) the Son of God (vv. 34, 49); (5) the Christ
(Messiah) (v. 41); (6) the King of Israel (v. 49); and (7) the Son of Man (v. 51).
The first four titles, each of which is mentioned at least twice, seem to be
universal in application. The last three titles, each of which is mentioned only
once, had their first application to Israel, God's ancient people.
1:5 The light shines in the darkness. The entrance of sin brought darkness to the
minds of men. It plunged the world into darkness in the sense that men in general
neither knew God nor wanted to know Him. Into this darkness the Lord Jesus
came-a light shining in a dark place.
The darkness did not comprehend it. This may mean that the darkness did not
understand the Lord Jesus when He came into the world. Men did not realize
who He really was, or why He had come. Another meaning, however, is given in
the NKJV margin: the darkness did not overcome it. Then the thought would be
that man's rejection and enmity did not prevent the true light from shining. 4
WORD IS GOD-WORD BECAME FLESH-WORD REVEALED GOD
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God [John 1:1].
The Gospel of John introduces the Lord Jesus Christ with three tremendous
statements:
"In the beginning was the Word,"
"And the Word was with God,"
"And the Word was God."
"The Word" is one of the highest and most profound titles of the Lord Jesus
Christ. To determine the exact meaning is not easy. Obviously the Lord Jesus
Christ is not the logos of Greek philosophy; rather He is the memra of the
Hebrew Scriptures. Notice how important the Word is in the Old Testament.
For instance, the name for Jehovah was never pronounced. It was such a holy
word that they never used it at all. But this is the One who is the Word and,
gathering up everything that was said of Him in the Old Testament, He is now
presented as the One "In the beginning." This beginning antedates the very first
words in the Bible, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." That
beginning can be dated, although I do not believe that anyone can date it
accurately-it is nonsense to say that it is 4004 B.C., as Ussher's dating has it. It
probably goes back billions and billions of years. You see, you and I are dealing
with the God of eternity. When you go back to creation He is already there, and
that is exactly the way this is used-"in the beginning was the Word." Notice it is
not is the Word; it was not in the beginning that the Word started out or was
begotten. Was (as Dr. Lenske points out) is known as a durative imperfect,
meaning continued action. It means that the Word was in the beginning. What
beginning? Just as far back as you want to go. The Bible says, "In the beginning
God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1). Does that begin God? No,
just keep on going back billions and trillions and "squillions" of years. I can think
back to billions of years back of creation-maybe you can go beyond that-but
let's put down a point there, billions of years back of creation. He already was;
He comes out of eternity to meet us. He did not begin. "In the beginning was the
Word"-He was already there when the beginning was. "Well," somebody says,
"there has to be a beginning somewhere." All right, wherever you begin, He is
there to meet you, He is already past tense. "In the beginning was the Word"-five
words in the original language, and there is not a man on topside of this earth
who can put a date on it or understand it or fathom it. This first tremendous
statement starts us off in space, you see.
The second statement is this, "and the Word was with God." This makes it
abundantly clear that He is separate and distinct from God the Father. You
cannot identify Him as God the Father because He is with God. "But," someone
says, "if He is with God, He is not God." The third statement sets us straight,
"and the Word was God." This is a clear, emphatic declaration that the Lord
Jesus Christ is God. In fact, the Greek is more specific than this, because in the
Greek language the important word is placed at the beginning of the sentence and
it reads, "God was the Word." That is emphatic; you cannot get it more emphatic
than that. Do you want to get rid of the deity of Christ? My friend, you cannot
get rid of it. The first three statements in John's gospel tie the thing down. "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Let's move on down to verse 14 and notice the three statements there.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth [John
1:14].
"And the Word was made flesh,"
"And the Word dwelt among us,"
"He was full of grace and truth."
The Greek philosopher probably would have stayed with us through verse one,
but he leaves us here. He would never agree that the Word was made flesh. The
Greek language allows us to put it more specifically and, I think, more accurately:
"The Word was born flesh." Turn this over in your mind for a moment. Here
comes God out of eternity, already the Ancient of days; but He also came to
Bethlehem, a little baby thing that made a woman cry. And notice that John's
gospel does not even mention His birth in Bethlehem. Do you know why? He is
talking about One who is too big for Bethlehem. Out of eternity, the Word
became flesh.
"And [the Word] dwelt among us" is the second statement in verse 14. "Dwelt" is
from skenoo; it means "He pitched His tent among us." Our human bodies are
merely little tents in which we live. The apostle Paul used the same imagery: ". we
know that if . this tabernacle were dissolved ." (2 Cor. 5:1). This house in which
we live is a tabernacle, a tent, that can be blown over in a night; it can be snuffed
out in an instant. Because you and I live in these little tents, the God of eternity
took upon Himself a human body and thus pitched His tent down here among us.
Such is the second tremendous statement.
Notice the third, "(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of
the Father,) full of grace and truth." Now John is saying something else. The
question I would naturally ask at this point is, "If He was made flesh, He certainly
limited Himself." John says, "Wait a minute-He was full of grace and truth." The
word "full" means that you just could not have any more. He brought all the deity
with Him, and He was full of grace and full of truth when He came down here. 5
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03 Apr 2007 04:53:57 PM |
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"Ed" <ed_jal233@hotnail.com> wrote in message
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JESUS IS THE CREATOR.
I think you have started to worship the messenger instead of following the
message.
Shame on you.
Answer this if you can.
How do you explain the fact that Jesus' nature (kindness and tolerance etc.)
is the exact opposite of his Father's (the OT god) who is callous,
bloodthirsty, jealous, vengeful, and permanently angry etc?
Are you sure they're form the same family?
An apple cannot fall kilometres from a tree.
I think its pretty clear that the Bible stories are just a slightly crude
good cop, bad cop routine by the clergy to control a rabble society.
Don't you?
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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04 Apr 2007 03:39:48 AM |
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JESUS IS THE CREATOR
"All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).
Andrew W said on Apr 3, 2:53 pm:
you have started to worship the messenger instead
of following the message.
"The Word was God" (John 1:1); "And the Word was made
flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14). "Unto the Son
he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever"
(Hebrews 1:8). "And Thomas answered and said unto
him, My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). "Looking for
that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the
great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
Andrew said: How do you explain the fact that
Jesus' nature (kindness and tolerance etc.) is the
exact opposite of his Father's (the OT god)
"I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
"The LORD is my shepherd" (Psalms 23:1).
"I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11).
"This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into
heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen
him go into heaven. Then returned they unto Jerusalem
from the mount called Olivet" (Acts 1:11-12). "Then
shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those
nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And
his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of
Olives" (Zechariah 14:3-4).
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"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will
I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49). "The Lord
Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty
angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that
know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our
Lord Jesus Christ: who shall be punished with
everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9).
"And the remnant were slain with the sword of him
that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of
his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their
flesh" (Revelation 19:21).
"Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye
escape the damnation of hell?" (Matthew 23:33).
"Jesus went up to Jerusalem, and found in the temple
those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the
changers of money sitting: and when he had made a
scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the
temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out
the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; and
said unto them that sold doves, Take these things
hence; make not my Father's house an house of
merchandise" (John 2:13-16).
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"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is
one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God"
(Mark 12:29-30). "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is
one LORD: and thou shalt love the LORD thy God"
(Deuteronomy 6:4-5).
"The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger,
and plenteous in mercy" (Psalms 103:8). "Have I any
pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the
Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his
ways, and live?" (Ezekiel 18:23). "I have no pleasure
in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD;
wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye"
(Ezekiel 18:32). "But he, being full of compassion,
forgave their iniquity, and destroyed them not: yea,
many a time turned he his anger away, and did not
stir up all his wrath" (Psalms 78:38).
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(Subsequent poster)
Snap Whipcrack said on Apr 3, 3:29 pm:
About Jews for Jews.
"It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my
servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to
restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give
thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be
my salvation unto the end of the earth" (Isaiah 49:6).
"Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them
also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and
there shall be one fold, and one shepherd"
(John 10:16). "Go ye into all the world, and preach
the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15). "Go ye
therefore, and teach all nations" (Matthew 28:19).
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04 Apr 2007 05:02:32 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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JESUS IS THE CREATOR
"All things were made by him; and without him was not
any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).
Totally insufficient response.
Who? That verse doesn't mention anyone by name.
Do you fully understand the verses or do you just parrot them like a
cockatoo?
Can't you answer with your own words?
Do you have a mind of your own?
Andrew W said on Apr 3, 2:53 pm:
you have started to worship the messenger instead
of following the message.
"The Word was God" (John 1:1); "And the Word was made
flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14). "Unto the Son
he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever"
(Hebrews 1:8). "And Thomas answered and said unto
him, My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). "Looking for
that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the
great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
If you can't explain the exact meanings and references in the verses that
you copy and paste then I will have to conclude that you are merely
impressed by the lofty sounding verses (verging on superstitious and cult
like behaviour) and are only interested in worshipping someone that you
don't understand.
I think that people like you are living in a biblical la la land.
You've gotten yourselves into such a religious fervour that you've lost
touch with reality and are living almost exclusively between the pages of a
book that you've come to idolise.
Books usually rise to prominence and become idols after the passing of their
authors. Your god has passed.
He's been gone without a trace for donkeys years. No parent does that to
their children unless they are gone or were never there to begin with.
Start living your life now or you'll regret it when its too late.
Andrew said: How do you explain the fact that
Jesus' nature (kindness and tolerance etc.) is the
exact opposite of his Father's (the OT god)
"I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
"The LORD is my shepherd" (Psalms 23:1).
"I am the good shepherd" (John 10:11).
"This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into
heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen
him go into heaven. Then returned they unto Jerusalem
from the mount called Olivet" (Acts 1:11-12). "Then
shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those
nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And
his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of
Olives" (Zechariah 14:3-4).
Response unacceptable.
I want *you* to answer the question to show that you understand what you're
preaching.
By responding to each query with lofty sounding Bible verses you are only
showing that you have no mind of your own. You have thrown away something
that God gave you which is an insult to him.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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Andrew W said on Apr 4, 3:02 pm:
Your god has passed.
"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am
alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell
and of death" (Revelation 1:18).
"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god
with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I
heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my
hand. For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I
live for ever. If I whet my glittering sword, and
mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render
vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that
hate me" (Deuteronomy 32:39-41).
Andrew said: He's been gone without a trace
"Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the
world. Amen" (Matthew 28:20).
Andrew said: Start living your life now
"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things
which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right
hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not
on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your
life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is
our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear
with him in glory. Mortify therefore your members
which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness,
inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and
covetousness, which is idolatry: for which things'
sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
disobedience" (Colossians 3:1-6).
"Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself,
and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever
will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall
lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same
shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he
shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or
what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my
words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of
him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he
cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy
angels" (Mark 8:34-38).
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05 Apr 2007 04:28:04 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrew W said on Apr 4, 3:02 pm:
Your god has passed.
"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am
alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell
and of death" (Revelation 1:18).
It appears that you rely 100% on scriptural verses for your mental
sustenance.
Here's a question for you and other Christians.
What are you going to do if its some day revealed with certainty that the
scriptures were not exactly God's word, and worse than that, the human race
to a great extent have misunderstood the Creator's will and intentions?
Do you consider that this is at all possible?
Do you believe that we fallible humans have attained perfect knowledge and
understanding of God's basic will?
I hope you answer this question this time.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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05 Apr 2007 04:51:17 PM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message news:461569ef$0$9775$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1175748389.080904.306650@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Andrew W said on Apr 4, 3:02 pm:
Your god has passed.
"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am
alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell
and of death" (Revelation 1:18).
It appears that you rely 100% on scriptural verses for your mental
sustenance.
Here's a question for you and other Christians.
What are you going to do if its some day revealed with certainty that the
scriptures were not exactly God's word,
What are YOU going to do when you discover that it is God's
intent, intact, and you stand before Him on Judgment Day, and
you do not know Him personaly, and your next visit is the Devil's
Hell?
and worse than that, the human race
to a great extent have misunderstood the Creator's will and intentions?
Do you consider that this is at all possible?
God has kept His Word intact minus very minor typo type errors.
All the cross references would put a Cray computer to its knees
trying to concoct the Bible like it is. His Word cannot be broken,
as He has said.
Do you believe that we fallible humans have attained perfect knowledge and
understanding of God's basic will?
I hope you answer this question this time.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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05 Apr 2007 06:17:50 PM |
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"0" <0@invalid.com> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrew W said on Apr 4, 3:02 pm:
Your god has passed.
"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am
alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell
and of death" (Revelation 1:18).
It appears that you rely 100% on scriptural verses for your mental
sustenance.
Here's a question for you and other Christians.
What are you going to do if its some day revealed with certainty that the
scriptures were not exactly God's word,
What are YOU going to do when you discover that it is God's
intent, intact, and you stand before Him on Judgment Day, and
you do not know Him personaly, and your next visit is the Devil's
Hell?
I will not discover such because unlike you and your believe-all, know
little brethren, I actually took the trouble of doing years of study and
research into the spiritual and paranormal and 'discovered' that the
scriptures have been written and interpreted almost entirely by human ego
(no real surprise).
To learn about all the lesser known aspects of human ego and how much of it
is in the scriptures just read "A Course in Miracles" http://www.acim.org/
It is a recently inspired, in fact channelled work and far closer to the
truth than the old stuff. Your eyes will be opened big time.
I'm betting that you and other Christians will not read it. You'll be too
afraid to. And you will cover up that fear with self-righteousness as usual.
and worse than that, the human race
to a great extent have misunderstood the Creator's will and intentions?
Do you consider that this is at all possible?
God has kept His Word intact minus very minor typo type errors.
You're just repeating what you've heard and read from other theologians who
are also too scared to search beyond the set boundaries, and are just
reassuring themselves of the scripture's accuracy because its the only thing
they can do to cope.
All the cross references would put a Cray computer to its knees
trying to concoct the Bible like it is.
The human mind is infinitely more powerful than the Cray computer and many
human minds had more than two millennia to write the stories.
True, some or much of it was probably inspired from certain sources, but
nearly all of it has been misunderstood and misinterpreted, and some parts
were even stories and false ideas that were added by fearful humans.
His Word cannot be broken,
as He has said.
Any word can be broken, and God has not policed his so called 'Word' at all,
which says a lot.
As who said?
Any human can talk or write like God, because no one knows what God talks or
writes like.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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05 Apr 2007 06:53:34 PM |
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Andrew W said on Apr 5, 4:17 pm:
I actually took the trouble of doing years of study
and research into the spiritual and paranormal
"I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled
Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be
corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For
if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we
have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
which ye have not received, or another gospel, which
ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him"
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4).
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into
an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if
his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of
righteousness; whose end shall be according to their
works" (2 Corinthians 11:13-15).
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that
called you into the grace of Christ unto another
gospel: which is not another; but there be some that
trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have
preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said
before, so say I now again, If any man preach any
other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed" (Galatians 1:6-9).
"Brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I
preached unto you, which also ye have received, and
wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye
keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye
have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first
of all that which I also received, how that Christ
died for our sins according to the scriptures; and
that he was buried, and that he rose again the third
day according to the scriptures"
(1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should
not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent
not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but
that the world through him might be saved. He that
believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of
God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come
into the world, and men loved darkness rather than
light, because their deeds were evil. For every one
that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to
the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he
that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds
may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God"
(John 3:16-21).
Andrew said: ...and 'discovered' that the
scriptures have been written and interpreted almost
entirely by human ego
"No prophecy of the scripture is of any private
interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time
by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they
were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:20-21).
"Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
but the spirit which is of God; that we might know
the things that are freely given to us of God. Which
things also we speak, not in the words which man's
wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;
comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the
natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither
can he know them, because they are spiritually
discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all
things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who
hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct
him? But we have the mind of Christ"
(1 Corinthians 2:12-16).
"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that
exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and
bringing into captivity every thought to the
obedience of Christ" (2 Corinthians 10:5).
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05 Apr 2007 08:54:08 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrew W said on Apr 5, 4:17 pm:
I actually took the trouble of doing years of study
and research into the spiritual and paranormal
"I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled
Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be
corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For
if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we
have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit,
which ye have not received, or another gospel, which
ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him"
(2 Corinthians 11:3-4).
Don't you have an off switch or something?
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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06 Apr 2007 12:46:04 PM |
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So, you guys believe the entire eternal cosmos was created by one man
who was created by other men in "Jesus" stories?
To believe is to lose your ability for critical thinking.
But beware,
THINKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FAITH! -- L.
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05 Apr 2007 05:49:36 PM |
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Andrew W said on Apr 5, 2:28 pm:
It appears that you rely 100% on scriptural verses
for your mental sustenance.
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"
(Matthew 4:4).
"Be not carried about with divers and strange
doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be
established with grace; not with meats, which have
not profited them that have been occupied therein"
(Hebrews 13:9).
"Be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried
about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of
men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait
to deceive" (Ephesians 4:14).
Andrew said: What are you going to do if its some
day revealed with certainty that the scriptures
were not exactly God's word
"Then shall that Wicked be revealed"
(2 Thessalonians 2:8); "Even him, whose coming is
after the working of Satan with all power and signs
and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of
unrighteousness in them that perish; because they
received not the love of the truth, that they might
be saved. And for this cause God shall send them
strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that
they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you,
brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from
the beginning chosen you to salvation through
sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth;
whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the
obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the
traditions which ye have been taught, whether by
word, or our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ
himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved
us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and
good hope through grace, comfort your hearts, and
stablish you in every good word and work"
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-17).
"If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples
indeed" (John 8:31).
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of
season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn
away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables" (2 Timothy 4:2-4).
"The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter
times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed
to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils"
(1 Timothy 4:1).
"They worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the
beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is
like unto the beast? who is able to make war with
him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking
great things and blasphemies; and power was given
unto him to continue forty and two months. And he
opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to
blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that
dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make
war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power
was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and
nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall
worship him, whose names are not written in the book
of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the
world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that
leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he
that killeth with the sword must be killed with the
sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the
saints" (Revelation 13:4-10).
Andrew said: ...and worse than that, the human
race to a great extent have misunderstood the
Creator's will and intentions?
"Be not conformed to this world: but be ye
transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may
prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect,
will of God" (Romans 12:2).
"From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation
through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture
is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may
be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works"
(2 Timothy 3:15-17).
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in
the world. If any man love the world, the love of the
-Father is not in him. For all that is in the world,
the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and
the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of
the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust
thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth
for ever" (1 John 2:15-17).
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and
abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all
the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass
withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: but
the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is
the word which by the gospel is preached unto you"
(1 Peter 1:23-25).
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall
not pass away" (Matthew 24:35).
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for
ever" (Hebrews 13:8).
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and
the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me"
(John 14:6).
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there
is none other name under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).
Andrew said: Do you believe that we fallible humans
have attained perfect knowledge and understanding
of God's basic will?
"Jesus answered him, The first of all the
commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is
one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with
all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all
thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the
first commandment. And the second is like, namely
this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There
is none other commandment greater than these"
(Mark 12:29-31).
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05 Apr 2007 06:25:44 PM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Andrew W said on Apr 5, 2:28 pm:
It appears that you rely 100% on scriptural verses
for your mental sustenance.
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word
that proceedeth out of the mouth of God"
(Matthew 4:4).
"Be not carried about with divers and strange
doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be
established with grace; not with meats, which have
not profited them that have been occupied therein"
(Hebrews 13:9).
<snip>
Its confirmed.
You are nothing but a Bible vomiting machine.
God doesn't want machines.
There is virtually nothing human left in you.
You will not attain a higher state any time soon.
You have my pity.
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.
http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!
http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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05 Apr 2007 12:39:39 AM |
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"Read The Bible" <bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wroteth:
"I am he that liveth
I am he that farteth.
"Come out, thou foul malignant demon of flatulence!"
Works for me.
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Creepy fundamentalists are an abomination to God ....
"Every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination."
Leviticus 11:41
"Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that
creepeth." Leviticus 11:43
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My Blog - - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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| User: "Snap Whipcrack.............." |
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04 Apr 2007 07:39:51 AM |
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Read The Bible wrote:
JESUS IS THE CREATOR
No, he was an ***** wipe. Just like his holy roller followers.
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Snap
Hey, I eat my vegetables. Potatoes are vegetables arent' they?
So I eat my French Fries and I get my vegetables.
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| User: "Provoker" |
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03 Apr 2007 09:12:11 PM |
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On Apr 3, 4:53 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
"Ed" <ed_jal...@hotnail.com> wrote in message
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JESUS IS THE CREATOR.
I think you have started to worship the messenger instead of following the
message.
Shame on you.
Answer this if you can.
How do you explain the fact that Jesus' nature (kindness and tolerance etc.)
is the exact opposite of his Father's (the OT god) who is callous,
bloodthirsty, jealous, vengeful, and permanently angry etc?
Are you sure they're form the same family?
An apple cannot fall kilometres from a tree.
I think its pretty clear that the Bible stories are just a slightly crude
good cop, bad cop routine by the clergy to control a rabble society.
Don't you?
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Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version.http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Hello Andy:
I agree that Jesus was not God, but the fact that Christians believe
he is, is not the bible's fault. The fault lies with the universal
religion of the Roman empire, which accepted the Nicean creed as the
context within which to interpret scripture.
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| User: "Merlin" |
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04 Apr 2007 04:41:14 AM |
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because all ceasars were declared gods by rome, how could not the
roman declare jesus to be god?
On Apr 3, 10:12 pm, "Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote:
On Apr 3, 4:53 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
"Ed" <ed_jal...@hotnail.com> wrote in message
news:1175631121_207@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
JESUS IS THE CREATOR.
I think you have started to worship the messenger instead of following the
message.
Shame on you.
Answer this if you can.
How do you explain the fact that Jesus' nature (kindness and tolerance etc.)
is the exact opposite of his Father's (the OT god) who is callous,
bloodthirsty, jealous, vengeful, and permanently angry etc?
Are you sure they're form the same family?
An apple cannot fall kilometres from a tree.
I think its pretty clear that the Bible stories are just a slightly crude
good cop, bad cop routine by the clergy to control a rabble society.
Don't you?
--
Andrew W.
Jesus said that we must search everywhere for the truth, that we must leave
no stone unturned.
How naive and foolish is the man who thinks he can get all the answers to
life from one convenient book. ~me
What we are told God and Jesus said, they did not say.http://www.divinelove.org/volume1/Mission.htm
TABLE OF CONTENTS. Must read!http://www.divinelove.org/revnt/Rev-TOC-title.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version.http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
Hello Andy:
I agree that Jesus was not God, but the fact that Christians believe
he is, is not the bible's fault. The fault lies with the universal
religion of the Roman empire, which accepted the Nicean creed as the
context within which to interpret scripture.
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| User: "Snap Whipcrack.............." |
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03 Apr 2007 05:29:45 PM |
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Jew book for Jew boys. About Jews for Jews.
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Snap
Hey, I eat my vegetables. Potatoes are vegetables arent' they?
So I eat my French Fries and I get my vegetables.
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