Religions > Bible > Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens?
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02 Dec 2006 10:35:17 AM |
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Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/birthday.html
THE TRUE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS
According to the best information I can find, Jesus was born on the
14th of May in 6 BC. Therefore His 2,000 birthday was on 14 May 1995.
Regardless of which date you choose for the birthday of Jesus it was
not on December 25th or January 6th and God never intended that it
would be observed and celebrated. God wants us to remember the death,
burial and resurrection of His Son, which is the Good News and the
purpose of His coming.
For several centuries the Christian assembly itself paid little
attention to the celebration of Jesus' birth. The major Christian
festival was Passover, the day of His Resurrection. Only gradually, as
the church developed a calendar to commemorate the major events of the
life of Jesus, did it celebrate His birth.
Because the date of Jesus' birth had been forgotten, a day had to be
selected. The Eastern Orthodox and the Eastern Rite churches chose
January 6 while the Western church, based in Rome, chose December 25.
It is known from a notice in an ancient Roman almanac that Christmas
was celebrated on December 25 in Rome in AD 336. For 300 years His
birthday was not celebrated so why should we celebrate it today?
It is said the "Jesus is the reason for the season" but it never was
so from the beginning. Today Christmas is a celebration for the god of
possessions and merchandise. Santa Clause is this god's name and you
had better watch out for he is keeping a list of who is naughty and who
is nice. At least that is the teaching of the followers of this god.
Our HOPE, SALVATION, and REDEMPTION is in Jesus not Santa. Yet it
seems that more people believe in Santa than in Jesus. Whom will you
choose to follow?
"Don't lay up treasures for yourselves on the earth, where moth and
rust consume, and where thieves break through and steal; but lay up for
yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consume,
and where thieves don't break through and steal; for where your
treasure is, there your heart will be also.
The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is sound,
your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is evil, your
whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in
you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and
love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the
other. You can't serve both God and Mammon." Matthew 6:19-24 WEB
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
02 Dec 2006 03:06:53 PM |
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Hello jane:
December 25 serves as evidence that Roman Christianity is built on the
doctrines of pagan sun worship. December 25 being 3 days after the
death of the sun, at the winter solstice, when the sun rises from the
dead.
Jesus had to rise from the dead after 3 days, in order to make him
acceptable to pagans, in order for the official Roman church to be
universal.
Virtually every pagan religion of the Roman empire, had the common
doctrine of the virgin born, dying rising, god man saviour, and the
Dec. 25 birth date.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
02 Dec 2006 05:05:52 PM |
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On 2 Dec 2006 08:35:17 -0800, "jane abraham" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/birthday.html
THE TRUE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS
According to the best information I can find, Jesus was born on the
14th of May in 6 BC. Therefore His 2,000 birthday was on 14 May 1995.
Regardless of which date you choose for the birthday of Jesus it was
not on December 25th or January 6th and God never intended that it
would be observed and celebrated.
You mean the best that you could find that fit your agenda, don't you.
And where did you get a stupid idea that God did not intend his birthday to be
observed or celebrated?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Poster 60" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
04 Dec 2006 08:31:49 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On 2 Dec 2006 08:35:17 -0800, "jane abraham" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/birthday.html
THE TRUE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS
According to the best information I can find, Jesus was born on the
14th of May in 6 BC. Therefore His 2,000 birthday was on 14 May 1995.
Regardless of which date you choose for the birthday of Jesus it was
not on December 25th or January 6th and God never intended that it
would be observed and celebrated.
You mean the best that you could find that fit your agenda, don't you.
And where did you get a stupid idea that God did not intend his birthday
to be
observed or celebrated?
Read your Bible before making comments like this. Had God wanted it done he
would have told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in
scripture.
However we do find this:
Luke 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to
them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in
remembrance of Me."
Luke 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is
the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1 Cor 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat;
this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1 Cor 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink
it, in remembrance of Me."
Jesus never told us to remember him by his birth. We are saved because of
His death, burial and ressurection - not his birth. Jesus wasn't born for
the forgivess of sin - he died for that reason.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
05 Dec 2006 04:41:48 PM |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:31:49 GMT, "Poster 60" <ekron@wapda.com> wrote:
THE TRUE BIRTHDAY OF JESUS
According to the best information I can find, Jesus was born on the
14th of May in 6 BC. Therefore His 2,000 birthday was on 14 May 1995.
Regardless of which date you choose for the birthday of Jesus it was
not on December 25th or January 6th and God never intended that it
would be observed and celebrated.
You mean the best that you could find that fit your agenda, don't you.
And where did you get a stupid idea that God did not intend his birthday
to be observed or celebrated?
Read your Bible before making comments like this. Had God wanted it done he
would have told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in
scripture.
Wanted "what" done?
However we do find this:
Luke 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to
them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in
remembrance of Me."
Luke 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is
the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
1 Cor 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat;
this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1 Cor 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink
it, in remembrance of Me."
Jesus never told us to remember him by his birth. We are saved because of
His death, burial and ressurection - not his birth. Jesus wasn't born for
the forgivess of sin - he died for that reason.
We don't remember him by his birth by he birthday alone. We remember him by the
Holy Eucharist, the base of the Holy Mass.
By the way, he died for redemption from sin and to restore salvation to souls.
He resurrection had nothing to do with that except as promise that we too that
die in the friendship of the Lord will spend all eternity with him.
Now I'm not trying to downplay his resurrection, but it is not his death on the
cross.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Poster 60" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
06 Dec 2006 06:46:52 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:31:49 GMT, "Poster 60" <ekron@wapda.com> wrote:
And where did you get a stupid idea that God did not intend his
birthday
to be observed or celebrated?
Read your Bible before making comments like this. Had God wanted it done
he
would have told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in
scripture.
Wanted "what" done?
Had God wanted Jesus's birthday celebrated on a yearly basis he would have
told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in scripture.
Jesus is always remembered as an infant on December 25th. Strange! He's
never allowed to grow up.
When people celebrate their birthdays it's certainly not that way.
The scriptures do show Him at twelve years old and as a man. He wasn't an
infant on the cross.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
06 Dec 2006 05:33:35 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:46:52 GMT, "Poster 60" <ekron@wapda.com> wrote:
Wanted "what" done?
Had God wanted Jesus's birthday celebrated on a yearly basis he would have
told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in scripture.
God likes adoration.
Jesus is always remembered as an infant on December 25th. Strange! He's
never allowed to grow up.
Sure he did - he died on the cross at the age of 33.
When people celebrate their birthdays it's certainly not that way.
The scriptures do show Him at twelve years old and as a man. He wasn't an
infant on the cross.
But his birthday was the celebrated day that God became man. And that's what
Christians celebrate.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Poster 60" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
06 Dec 2006 06:46:53 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:v4tbn2h5vt0jdna96a18giij75pufnfjoj@4ax.com...
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:31:49 GMT, "Poster 60" <ekron@wapda.com> wrote:
And where did you get a stupid idea that God did not intend his
birthday
to be observed or celebrated?
Read your Bible before making comments like this. Had God wanted it done
he
would have told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in
scripture.
Wanted "what" done?
Had God wanted Jesus's birthday celebrated on a yearly basis he would have
told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in scripture.
Jesus is always remembered as an infant on December 25th. Strange! He's
never allowed to grow up.
When people celebrate their birthdays it's certainly not that way.
The scriptures do show Him at twelve years old and as a man. He wasn't an
infant on the cross.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
11 Dec 2006 05:11:59 PM |
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:46:53 GMT, "Poster 60" <ekron@wapda.com> wrote:
Read your Bible before making comments like this. Had God wanted it done
he
would have told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in
scripture.
Wanted "what" done?
Had God wanted Jesus's birthday celebrated on a yearly basis he would have
told us *when* to do it and *how* to do it. Neither is present in scripture.
Well, the written bible is only part of the story. John 21:25.
Jesus is always remembered as an infant on December 25th. Strange! He's
never allowed to grow up.
That's ok. He's always a 33 year old when he dies.
When people celebrate their birthdays it's certainly not that way.
The celebration is far, far more than a mere birthday. It's a celebration of
the day God became man.
The scriptures do show Him at twelve years old and as a man. He wasn't an
infant on the cross.
You'll figure it out.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheatingthemself and their Childrens? |
07 Dec 2006 09:31:09 PM |
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It is NOT, never was the birthday of "Jesus".
CHRIST-mass is the birthday of the SUN GOD,
in recognition of the Winter Solstice. That
traditional dying-rising solar deity
was renamed "CHRISTOS" by the founder of
the Christos Cult, and the holiday as observed
today, is a celebration of that solar event.
HAPPY WINTER SOLSTICE!-- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
11 Dec 2006 05:13:12 PM |
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:31:09 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
It is NOT, never was the birthday of "Jesus".
CHRIST-mass is the birthday of the SUN GOD,
in recognition of the Winter Solstice. That
traditional dying-rising solar deity
was renamed "CHRISTOS" by the founder of
the Christos Cult, and the holiday as observed
today, is a celebration of that solar event.
HAPPY WINTER SOLSTICE!-- L.
Actually, it's a celebration of the day God became man to die on the cross for
our redemption from sin and to restore salvation to souls.
Except for children, that is the real reason for the Christian holiday.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Chellie" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
11 Dec 2006 06:06:44 PM |
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Well, I tend to believe what the Bible says. Bible speaks of His birth
as well as birthplace but no birthdate. Neither did Jesus nor His men
commanded us to celebrate His birthday. Jesus did say to keep in
remembrance His death but once again: what's the date? No one but Jesus
knows what date He was born and died. Maybe the angels... I find it
hard to believe that Easter is to do with Jesus since one year it's in
March and another year it's April. If a person dies on June 9th, next
year the death date/anniversary don't change. It's still going to be
June 9th. I see people understand this when it comes to the natural but
when it's about Jesus, everyone has their own opinions and views. Also
everyone wants all to agree with their opinions/theories. If someone
disagrees then there's a debate or whatever.
The OT does states months so I know it would have not been any problem
for Jesus to have His birthdate/death date in the Bible. Is it safe to
assume that Jesus didn't want these dates known? Look how people are
"celebrating" His birth/death now? It's so commercialized and the way
people are celebrating, I find it hard that Jesus is happy. Only time
people are "happy" is around the holiday season. Once January rolls
around, people are back to their mean and selfish ways. Certain
organizations only endorse "help the hungry/poor/needy" mostly around
the holidays. The organizations do things all year long but not as much
as during the holidays. These are my 2 cents. :-)
Striving to perfection and holiness in Jesus Christ,
Chellie
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus was not born on 25 December- Are Christians are cheating themself and their Childrens? |
11 Dec 2006 06:16:20 PM |
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On 11 Dec 2006 16:06:44 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Chellie"
<Dark_Asian007@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Well, I tend to believe what the Bible says. Bible speaks of His birth
as well as birthplace but no birthdate. Neither did Jesus nor His men
commanded us to celebrate His birthday. Jesus did say to keep in
remembrance His death but once again: what's the date? No one but Jesus
knows what date He was born and died.
I agree with what you said. As for the date of His death,
it can be reasonable traced, but not proved. I feel however,
the evidence is pretty strong. But you are right. It does
not matter.
Maybe the angels... I find it
hard to believe that Easter is to do with Jesus since one year it's in
March and another year it's April.
Look into "Ischtar".
It's so commercialized and the way
people are celebrating, I find it hard that Jesus is happy.
Neither Christmas, nor Easter has anything to do with Jesus.
What people are doing now, is pagan.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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