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Religions > Bible |
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"Terry Cross" |
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19 Jan 2008 12:45:35 PM |
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Jewish Plan for World Domination |
You have heard of the Communist Manifesto? You have heard of Mein
Kampf, the Turner Diaries, and other plans wherein campaigns were
planned and announced long in advance?
The Mosaic Covenant is one such. The story is long and long, for it
is illustrated with anecdotes, and interspersed with threats and other
irrelevancies. But buried among those verses is a chilling blueprint
for a frightful campaign, a program of destruction and conquest to
rival anything named above.
Genesis 15:18
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your
descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great
river, the Euphrates-
Deuteronomy 1:7
Break camp and advance into the hill country of the Amorites; go to
all the neighboring peoples in the Arabah, in the mountains, in the
western foothills, in the Negev and along the coast, to the land of
the Canaanites and to Lebanon, as far as the great river, the
Euphrates.
Deuteronomy 11:24
Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will
extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the
western sea.
Joshua 1:4
Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the
great river, the Euphrates--all the Hittite country--to the Great Sea on
the west.
EXODUS
34:10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I
will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in
any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work
of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
DEUTERONOMY
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of
peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it
shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they
refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that
city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the
sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the
livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God
gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the
cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the
nations nearby.
15:6 For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and
thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou
shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving
you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17
Completely destroy [a] them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded
you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable
things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the
LORD your God.
Among the "Torah observant" peoples, this text is unquestionable: "And
thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over
thee."
TCross
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
23 Jan 2008 10:48:41 AM |
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On Jan 23, 8:40=A0am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. =A0Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. =A0It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". =A0I don't. =A0At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. =A0This isn't dominance of
any kind. =A0You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? =A0Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
=A0 =A0God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
=A0 =A0I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
=A0Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
23 Jan 2008 12:53:53 PM |
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On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not God
says no, you may, or you must.
God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular act of
genocide is right or wrong.
Michael
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| User: "Binyamin Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
24 Jan 2008 12:31:39 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2df003ba-703a-4508-98a4-bfe92cf31aa6@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not God
says no, you may, or you must.
God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular act of
genocide is right or wrong.
Sorry to rain on your parade, watermelon boy, but there is no god.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
24 Jan 2008 01:21:00 PM |
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On Jan 23, 10:31 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2df003ba-703a-4508-98a4-bfe92cf31aa6@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not God
says no, you may, or you must.
God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular act of
genocide is right or wrong.
Sorry to rain on your parade, watermelon boy, but there is no god.
Does your pal the Reverend Pedo know that?
Michael
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
25 Jan 2008 12:49:43 AM |
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On 24-Jan-2008, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:31 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
Sorry to rain on your parade, watermelon boy, but there is no god.
When it suits him to say so, of course...
Does your pal the Reverend Pedo know that?
Both that slimebag & the Rev pedo are *banking* on it.
Susan
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| User: "Binyamin Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
25 Jan 2008 01:12:43 AM |
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<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:bEfmj.276$y54.128@trnddc03...
On 24-Jan-2008, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:31 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
Sorry to rain on your parade, watermelon boy, but there is no god.
When it suits him to say so, of course...
Que? What the ***** are you blathering about, you stupid, dyslexic, thick
Irish *****?
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
25 Jan 2008 12:06:20 PM |
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On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
<flav...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:bEfmj.276$y54.128@trnddc03...
On 24-Jan-2008, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:31 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
Sorry to rain on your parade, watermelon boy, but there is no god.
When it suits him to say so, of course...
Que? What the ***** are you blathering about, you stupid, dyslexic, thick
Irish *****?
The last ***** you saw was your mother's.
Michael
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
25 Jan 2008 12:17:37 PM |
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On 25-Jan-2008, Michael Ejercito <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 24, 11:12 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
<flav...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:bEfmj.276$y54.128@trnddc03...
On 24-Jan-2008, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:31 pm, "B'in'yamin C'r'amer" <hebesRtu...@best.com>
wrote:
Sorry to rain on your parade, watermelon boy, but there is no god.
When it suits him to say so, of course...
Que? What the ***** are you blathering about
It takes a big man to admit that simple English is
blather, & that he's too stupid to comprehend.
Either that or a big idiot...
, you stupid, dyslexic,
thick
Irish *****?
Or, in this case, a big projectionist.
The last ***** you saw was your mother's.
I beg to disagree - he *must* have seen a mirror since then.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
23 Jan 2008 01:13:11 PM |
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On Jan 23, 10:53=A0am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. =A0Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. =A0It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". =A0I don't. =A0At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. =A0This isn't dominance of
any kind. =A0You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? =A0Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
=A0 =A0God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
=A0 =A0I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
=A0Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
=A0 =A0It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not God
says no, you may, or you must.
=A0 =A0God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular act of=
genocide is right or wrong.
=A0Michael
I think a "God" who commits genocide is no God at all, but a Demon of
the worst sort.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
23 Jan 2008 05:08:55 PM |
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On Jan 23, 11:13 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:53 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not God
says no, you may, or you must.
God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular act of
genocide is right or wrong.
Michael
I think a "God" who commits genocide is no God at all, but a Demon of
the worst sort.
Like it or not, He decides who receives eternal pleasure in Heaven
and who receives eternal torment in Hell.
We are called to have faith in Him, to trust Him to be our moral
guide.
Michael
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| User: "Binyamin Cramer" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
24 Jan 2008 12:32:31 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:051437e2-f593-4ce7-8fb0-307887c812d2@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 23, 11:13 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:53 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to
themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not God
says no, you may, or you must.
God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular act of
genocide is right or wrong.
Michael
I think a "God" who commits genocide is no God at all, but a Demon of
the worst sort.
Like it or not, He decides who receives eternal pleasure in Heaven
and who receives eternal torment in Hell.
And to the yids, the latter.
He's had the hebes, expelled, persecuted, pogrommed (and allegedly
holocausted) for thousands of hears.
God hates the yids.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
23 Jan 2008 05:29:11 PM |
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On Jan 23, 3:08=A0pm, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 11:13 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:53 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:48 am, wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:40 am, Michael Ejercito <mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. =A0Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. =A0It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". =A0I don't. =A0At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. =A0This isn't dominance of
any kind. =A0You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? =A0Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
=A0 =A0God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for offending Him, and=
he
ordered Israel to do it to give them a chance to prove to themselv=
es
that they are loyal to the LORD.
=A0 =A0I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
=A0Michael
Well ... what was the gist of your article?
=A0 =A0It was that the morality of genocide depends on whether or not =
God
says no, you may, or you must.
=A0 =A0God is the ultimate judge over whether or not any particular ac=
t of
genocide is right or wrong.
=A0Michael
I think a "God" who commits genocide is no God at all, but a Demon of
the worst sort.
=A0 =A0Like it or not, He decides who receives eternal pleasure in Heaven
and who receives eternal torment in Hell.
=A0 =A0We are called to have faith in Him, to trust Him to be our moral
guide.
=A0Michael
I would not trust my soul to a demon. There are other choices.
Somewhere out there is the true LORD of creation, and He might not
take it kindly that you believe in an imposter. IMHO, your demon God
decides nothing. We have not heard a peep from him for over two
thousand years.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
23 Jan 2008 11:04:57 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:40:59 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for
offending Him, and he ordered Israel to do
it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
You haven't said anything. Repeating someone's claim
does not mean you have a clue. And you proved you
don't, by your answer, which was based on your willing
ignorance and obvious intent.
--
"An earthly kingdom cannot exist without any quality
of persons. Some must be free, some surfs, some rulers,
some subjects." - Martin Luther
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
24 Jan 2008 01:22:17 PM |
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On Jan 23, 9:04 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:40:59 -0800 (PST), Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
God wanted to destroy the Cannanites for
offending Him, and he ordered Israel to do
it to give them a chance to prove to themselves
that they are loyal to the LORD.
I once wrote an article titled "The Morality of Genocide".
You haven't said anything. Repeating someone's claim
does not mean you have a clue. And you proved you
don't, by your answer, which was based on your willing
ignorance and obvious intent.
I was the author of the article "The Morality of Genocide".
Michael
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
22 Jan 2008 12:16:00 AM |
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On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
Yes, I have, Pastor. God could easily do it himself as he did in
Noah's day and in Egypt. Instead, he required the Hebrews to do a
very dirty job of slitting an endless number of throats, gutting
countless infants, and butchering a plethora of women, children, and
animals.
Perhaps you believe that would be good for maturing the Hebrew soul
and helping them to appreciate their newly acquired real estate. On
the contrary, it seems to have cultivated a new blood lust that the
Hebrews could not slake despite the next thousand years of trying.
No, of course not! In fact, you will even go so far
as to say that they were "innocent". That's because
you don't really care why, because you don't want
to hear anything that doesn't suit your rant.
Do you believe those horrible heathens were more guilty or sinful than
so many others on the Earth at that time?
TCross
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22 Jan 2008 07:58:59 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:16:00 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
Yes, I have, Pastor. God could easily do it himself
Irrelevant to the discussion. You didn't answer
the question.
No, of course not! In fact, you will even go so far
as to say that they were "innocent". That's because
you don't really care why, because you don't want
to hear anything that doesn't suit your rant.
Do you believe those horrible heathens were more guilty or sinful than
so many others on the Earth at that time?
Asking a question, is not proof of your accusations.
But thank you for showing that you're just another
hateful moron, who, when cornered, has nothing
to say and no proof of his claims.
--
The Last Days were in the first century:
Revelation 1:1,3
1) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God
gave unto him, to show unto his servants things
WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS;
and he sent and signified it by his angel unto
his servant John:
2) Who bare record of the word of God, and of
the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things
that he saw.
3) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear
the words of this prophecy, and keep those things
which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.
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23 Jan 2008 12:17:18 AM |
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On Jan 22, 8:58 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:16:00 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
Yes, I have, Pastor. God could easily do it himself
Irrelevant to the discussion. You didn't answer
the question.
What God said that if the people of Israel didn't do it, then
God himself would do it to the people of Israel. He wasn't ready to
dirty his hands with the Canaanites, but he was willing to do it to
the people of Israel who disobeyed him. Woops! Actually, he was not
going to do it wto the Israelis that disobeyed him. He was going to do
it to the children and grandchildren of the people who disobeyed him.
The ones who really didn't disobey.
No, of course not! In fact, you will even go so far
as to say that they were "innocent". That's because
you don't really care why, because you don't want
to hear anything that doesn't suit your rant.
Yes I do. I would love to hear you give an answer that doesn't
suit my rant. I really care why. I want to know why the descendent of
an Amalekite gets the ax, and can never join the congregation of
Israel, no matter how many generations have passed. I would like to
hear what the babies of the Canaanites did that made them guilty.
Please make me feel stupid. I would really feel impressed if you could
explain why. Even if it made me feel bad.
Go!!!
Do you believe those horrible heathens were more guilty or sinful than
so many others on the Earth at that time?
Asking a question, is not proof of your accusations.
However, your not answering the question is proof of his
accusations. By not answering when corner, you prove that you are just
a hateful moron with no proof of your accusations.
But thank you for showing that you're just another
hateful moron, who, when cornered, has nothing
to say and no proof of his claims.
Speaking of which: Have you come up with an explanation of why the
young children and animals were NOT innocent in Canaan? Why are the
children of Ham NOT innocent for whatever their daddy did? What
exactly did these people and animals do that made them "not innocent?"
I suspect that we Jews and the Arabs both have the current
troubles have such troubles because they are all the descandents of
Canaanites and Amalekites. The curse merely has followed us both,
because the Hebrews didn't wipe out each and every Canaanite. Some
have mixed into the Semitic peoples. So not knowing the crimes of the
Canaanites (or the weakings who didn't kill them) we descendants still
have to suffer. What is wrong with this picture?
I mean, you imply I am such a hateful bigot because I haven't
considered the Canaanite sins. For all I know, you and I are the
descendents of Canaanites. Maybe that is why we have problems. God
doesn't like us. Suppose you find out, tomorrow, that you are the
descendent of an Amalekite. After 3000 years, it is very possible.
With current DNA technology, you never know what scientists will find.
Better keep it under your hat, because there is no statute of
limitations on the sin of the Amalakites. What is wrong with this
picture.
I am not angry at God. I am angry at you for promoting such
nonsense. How can one get angry at something that may be imaginary?
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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23 Jan 2008 01:39:18 AM |
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On Jan 22, 10:17 pm, Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 8:58 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:16:00 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
Yes, I have, Pastor. God could easily do it himself
Irrelevant to the discussion. You didn't answer
the question.
What God said that if the people of Israel didn't do it, then
God himself would do it to the people of Israel. He wasn't ready to
dirty his hands with the Canaanites, but he was willing to do it to
the people of Israel who disobeyed him.
That is the statement I was seeking. Thank you.
Woops! Actually, he was not
going to do it wto the Israelis that disobeyed him. He was going to do
it to the children and grandchildren of the people who disobeyed him.
The ones who really didn't disobey.
And another in the same pocket.
No, of course not! In fact, you will even go so far
as to say that they were "innocent". That's because
you don't really care why, because you don't want
to hear anything that doesn't suit your rant.
Yes I do. I would love to hear you give an answer that doesn't
suit my rant. I really care why. I want to know why the descendent of
an Amalekite gets the ax, and can never join the congregation of
Israel, no matter how many generations have passed. I would like to
hear what the babies of the Canaanites did that made them guilty.
Please make me feel stupid. I would really feel impressed if you could
explain why. Even if it made me feel bad.
Go!!!
I second the request for such statement.
Do you believe those horrible heathens were more guilty or sinful than
so many others on the Earth at that time?
Asking a question, is not proof of your accusations.
However, your not answering the question is proof of his
accusations. By not answering when corner, you prove that you are just
a hateful moron with no proof of your accusations.
But thank you for showing that you're just another
hateful moron, who, when cornered, has nothing
to say and no proof of his claims.
Speaking of which: Have you come up with an explanation of why the
young children and animals were NOT innocent in Canaan? Why are the
children of Ham NOT innocent for whatever their daddy did? What
exactly did these people and animals do that made them "not innocent?"
I suspect that we Jews and the Arabs both have the current
troubles have such troubles because they are all the descandents of
Canaanites and Amalekites. The curse merely has followed us both,
because the Hebrews didn't wipe out each and every Canaanite. Some
have mixed into the Semitic peoples. So not knowing the crimes of the
Canaanites (or the weakings who didn't kill them) we descendants still
have to suffer. What is wrong with this picture?
I mean, you imply I am such a hateful bigot because I haven't
considered the Canaanite sins. For all I know, you and I are the
descendents of Canaanites. Maybe that is why we have problems. God
doesn't like us. Suppose you find out, tomorrow, that you are the
descendent of an Amalekite. After 3000 years, it is very possible.
With current DNA technology, you never know what scientists will find.
Better keep it under your hat, because there is no statute of
limitations on the sin of the Amalakites. What is wrong with this
picture.
Every one a sinker.
I am not angry at God. I am angry at you for promoting such
nonsense.
And another.
How can one get angry at something that may be imaginary?
And down goes the 8-ball for a clean table in one turn.
TCross
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23 Jan 2008 05:31:35 AM |
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On Jan 22, 11:39=A0pm, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 10:17 pm, Darwin123 <drosen0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jan 22, 8:58 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:16:00 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 21, 12:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. =A0Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. =A0It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". =A0I don't. =A0At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. =A0This isn't dominance of
any kind. =A0You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? =A0Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
Yes, I have, Pastor. =A0God could easily do it himself
Irrelevant to the discussion. =A0You didn't answer
the question.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 What God said that if the people of Israel didn't do it,=
then
God himself would do it to the people of Israel. He wasn't ready to
dirty his hands with the Canaanites, but he was willing to do it to
the people of Israel who disobeyed him.
That is the statement I was seeking. =A0Thank you.
Woops! Actually, he was not
going to do it wto the Israelis that disobeyed him. He was going to do
it to the children and grandchildren of the people who disobeyed him.
The ones who really didn't disobey.
And another in the same pocket.
No, of course not! =A0In fact, you will even go so far
as to say that they were "innocent". =A0That's because
you don't really care why, because you don't want
to hear anything that doesn't suit your rant.
=A0 =A0 =A0Yes I do. I would love to hear you give an answer that doesn'=
t
suit my rant. I really care why. I want to know why the descendent of
an Amalekite gets the ax, and can never join the congregation of
Israel, no matter how many generations have passed. I would like to
hear what the babies of the Canaanites did that made them guilty.
Please make me feel stupid. I would really feel impressed if you could
explain why. Even if it made me feel bad.
=A0 =A0 Go!!!
I second the request for such statement.
Apparently, the Canaanites had a competing semitic mythology, wherein
El, or El Elyon, the Most High G-D, gets overthrown by Ba'al. This
must have touched off a nerve in the tribal G-D, who feared the same
fate. Sort of like Saturn swallowing all His Children so they do not
overthrow Him. They do anyhow. This a prefiguration of Christ
overthrowing the false G-D of Israel. This the very crux of the
matter.
Do you believe those horrible heathens were more guilty or sinful tha=
n
so many others on the Earth at that time?
Asking a question, is not proof of your accusations.
=A0 =A0 However, your not answering the question is proof of his
accusations. By not answering when corner, you prove that you are just
a hateful moron with no proof of your accusations.
But thank you for showing that you're just another
hateful moron, who, when cornered, has nothing
to say and no proof of his claims.
=A0 =A0Speaking of which: Have you come up with an explanation of why th=
e
young children and animals were NOT innocent in Canaan? Why are the
children of Ham NOT innocent for whatever their daddy did? What
exactly did these people and animals do that made them "not innocent?"
=A0 =A0 =A0I suspect that we Jews and the Arabs both have the current
troubles have such troubles because they are all the descandents of
Canaanites and Amalekites. The curse merely has followed us both,
because the Hebrews didn't wipe out each and every Canaanite. Some
have mixed into the Semitic peoples. So not knowing the crimes of the
Canaanites (or the weakings who didn't kill them) we descendants still
have to suffer. What is wrong with this picture?
=A0 =A0 =A0 I mean, you imply I am such a hateful bigot because I haven'=
t
considered the Canaanite sins. For all I know, you and I are the
descendents of Canaanites. Maybe that is why we have problems. God
doesn't like us. Suppose you find out, tomorrow, that you are the
descendent of an Amalekite. After 3000 years, it is very possible.
With current DNA technology, you never know what scientists will find.
Better keep it under your hat, because there is no statute of
limitations on the sin of the Amalakites. What is wrong with this
picture.
Every one a sinker.
=A0 =A0I am not angry at God. I am angry at you for promoting such
nonsense.
And another.
How can one get angry at something that may be imaginary?
And down goes the 8-ball for a clean table in one turn.
TCross
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21 Jan 2008 04:01:07 PM |
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On Jan 21, 3:23 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:06:21 -0800 (PST), Darwin123
<drosen0...@yahoo.com> said the following:
It is quite clear from the context that this shall be
military dominance, not spiritual or philosophical.
And it shall be dominance, not preference or
exaltation. Sorry, but that is the plain meaning
The Old Testament promotes something worse
than dominance. It promotes replacement.
The ancient Hebrews are ordered to go commit
genocide and kill everything that breathes,
including the animals.
You call it "genocide". I don't. At least not how
you mean it.
The Hebrews and their animals are supposed
to REPLACE the Canaanites and their animals,
not dominate them. This isn't dominance of
any kind. You can't dominate the dead.
This is mass murder.
Murder? Have you ever bothered to ask yourself
why they were ordered to wipe out the Canaanites?
Have you ever bothered to ask why they were ordered to kill the
children and the animals?
In any case, the Bible tells us why. It says, "Lest the Lord God
do the same unto you." It does not say what crime makes it necessary
to kill the children. In fact, it does say that the burning of
Canaanite children was an "abomination unto God."
No, of course not! In fact, you will even go so far
as to say that they were "innocent".
Nobodies completely innocent. Even a Xtian should understand
this.
The Hebrews were ordered to kill Canaanites even after many
generations. No variance was given for the behavior of the
descendants. Joining the congregation of the Hebrews was forbidden for
any Canaanite. Men, women, and children. No clear reason is being
given. Whatever the sin is, the descendants pay for it whether or not
they commit the sin or not.
In the ZOG definition of "innocence," a person is innocent if he
doesn't commit, condone, or approve of the sin. In other words, he is
innocent if he is not guilty. According to your definition of
innocence, a person can't be innocent if his parents or his
grandparents have committed a sin.
We of the Zionist Occupational Government (ZOG)
have rejected the cold-blooded murder of innocents
of the ancient Hebrews.
As I thought, you call them, "innocent". 'Nuf said!
Have a nice life.
You are the one ranting and raving.
We of ZOG define innocence by what people do. We reject the idea
that a "race" can be guilty of anything. Race is an abstract concept.
ZOG is an organization based on material gain. We are against racial
purity, haven't you heard? Therefore, we are against genocide.
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19 Jan 2008 08:00:25 PM |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:37:30 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 19, 2:58 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:45:35 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
You have heard of the Communist Manifesto? You have heard of Mein
Kampf, the Turner Diaries, and other plans wherein campaigns were
planned and announced long in advance?
The Mosaic Covenant is one such. The story is long and long, for it
is illustrated with anecdotes, and interspersed with threats and other
irrelevancies. But buried among those verses is a chilling blueprint
for a frightful campaign, a program of destruction and conquest to
rival anything named above.
Genesis 15:18
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your
descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great
river, the Euphrates-
Deuteronomy 1:7
Break camp and advance into the hill country of the Amorites; go to
all the neighboring peoples in the Arabah, in the mountains, in the
western foothills, in the Negev and along the coast, to the land of
the Canaanites and to Lebanon, as far as the great river, the
Euphrates.
Deuteronomy 11:24
Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will
extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the
western sea.
Joshua 1:4
Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the
great river, the Euphrates--all the Hittite country--to the Great Sea on
the west.
EXODUS
34:10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I
will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in
any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work
of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
DEUTERONOMY
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of
peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it
shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they
refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that
city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the
sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the
livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God
gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the
cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the
nations nearby.
15:6 For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and
thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou
shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving
you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17
Completely destroy [a] them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded
you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable
things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the
LORD your God.
Among the "Torah observant" peoples, this text is unquestionable: "And
thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over
thee."
TCross
Ummmm... Huh???
Deuteronomy Chapter 28:
1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his
commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above
all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and
accompany you if you obey the LORD your God:
... 9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised
you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in
his ways. 10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are
called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you.
... 12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty,
to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your
hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. 13 The
LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the
commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully
follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.
TCross
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize that if you just quote
passages, that it means that I must never have read
them before and that your out of context quotes
should only be read the way you take them, while
you never really explain just how you do take them!
Gee, my bad! Next time I'll make sure to get my,
"Read in the mode of the other person's arrogance"
glasses on!
--
"I am not permitted to let my love be so merciful
as to tolerate and endure false doctrine. When
faith and doctrine are concerned and endangered,
neither love nor patience are in order... For
a defective life does not destroy Christendom,
but exercises it. However, defective doctrine
and false faith ruin everything. Therefore, when
these are concerned, neither toleration nor mercy
are in order, but only anger, dispute and
destruction - to be sure, only with the Word
of God as our weapon." - Martin Luther
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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19 Jan 2008 08:41:54 PM |
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On Jan 19, 6:00 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:37:30 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 19, 2:58 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:45:35 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
You have heard of the Communist Manifesto? You have heard of Mein
Kampf, the Turner Diaries, and other plans wherein campaigns were
planned and announced long in advance?
The Mosaic Covenant is one such. The story is long and long, for it
is illustrated with anecdotes, and interspersed with threats and other
irrelevancies. But buried among those verses is a chilling blueprint
for a frightful campaign, a program of destruction and conquest to
rival anything named above.
Genesis 15:18
On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your
descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great
river, the Euphrates-
Deuteronomy 1:7
Break camp and advance into the hill country of the Amorites; go to
all the neighboring peoples in the Arabah, in the mountains, in the
western foothills, in the Negev and along the coast, to the land of
the Canaanites and to Lebanon, as far as the great river, the
Euphrates.
Deuteronomy 11:24
Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will
extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the
western sea.
Joshua 1:4
Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the
great river, the Euphrates--all the Hittite country--to the Great Sea on
the west.
EXODUS
34:10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I
will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in
any nation: and all the people among which thou art shall see the work
of the LORD: for it is a terrible thing that I will do with thee.
DEUTERONOMY
10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of
peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it
shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they
refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that
city. 13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the
sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the
livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God
gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the
cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the
nations nearby.
15:6 For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and
thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou
shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving
you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17
Completely destroy [a] them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites,
Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded
you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable
things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the
LORD your God.
Among the "Torah observant" peoples, this text is unquestionable: "And
thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over
thee."
TCross
Ummmm... Huh???
Deuteronomy Chapter 28:
1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his
commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above
all the nations on earth. 2 All these blessings will come upon you and
accompany you if you obey the LORD your God:
... 9 The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised
you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in
his ways. 10 Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are
called by the name of the LORD, and they will fear you.
... 12 The LORD will open the heavens, the storehouse of his bounty,
to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your
hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. 13 The
LORD will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the
commands of the LORD your God that I give you this day and carefully
follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom.
TCross
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize that if you just quote
passages, that it means that I must never have read
them before and that your out of context quotes
should only be read the way you take them, while
you never really explain just how you do take them!
Gee, my bad! Next time I'll make sure to get my,
"Read in the mode of the other person's arrogance"
glasses on!
I am sorry, Pastor, but as I have presented them is how I read and
understand them. The official promised land includes Iraq, parts of
Saudi Arabia and Jordan in my understanding. Do you agree? Can you
correct me?
TCross
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
20 Jan 2008 08:32:55 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:41:54 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 19, 6:00 pm, Pastor Dave
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:37:30 -0800 (PST),
Terry Cross said the following:
You have heard of the Communist Manifesto?
You have heard of Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries,
and other plans wherein campaigns were planned
and announced long in advance?
The Mosaic Covenant is one such. The story is
long and long, for it is illustrated with anecdotes,
and interspersed with threats and other irrelevancies.
But buried among those verses is a chilling blueprint
for a frightful campaign, a program of destruction
and conquest to rival anything named above.
<Snip multiple Scripture quotes.>
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize that if you just quote
passages, that it means that I must never have read
them before and that your out of context quotes
should only be read the way you take them, while
you never really explain just how you do take them!
Gee, my bad! Next time I'll make sure to get my,
"Read in the mode of the other person's arrogance"
glasses on!
I am sorry, Pastor, but as I have presented them
is how I read and understand them. The official
promised land includes Iraq, parts of Saudi Arabia
and Jordan in my understanding. Do you agree?
Can you correct me?
You are still being arrogant. You haven't presented them
any way, except for quoting them. That's my point.
You think that just because you quoted them, that means
that everyone knows what's in your head, as if they can
only be read one way. But as I told you, you are quoting
things out of context, to suit a need you seem to have,
for making it appear as if something funny is going on.
So my question is; What is your point? What are you
saying they mean, specifically? I see that you're
claiming that there was a terror campaign going on,
in your opinion, but with each verse, you did not
explain what it meant to you and that is important.
How you see the puzzle fitting together, agreed?
Now in your mind, you may not mean to be arrogant.
However, to make such a claim without deep study,
is rather arrogant, since no one should ever look at
ancient texts and jump to conclusions and neither
should one just paste in something and assume that
each piece of the puzzle will be read the same way
by everyone else.
I see those verses totally different than you apparently do,
even though I did wonder the same thing for a while and
was confused by God commanding these people to go out
and "slay by the sword", these various peoples. Until the
time that I decided to find out more about them. You see,
ignorance is the key in misunderstanding and the biggest
mistake people can make when reading the Bible, which
by the way, is not a mistake they make with any other
ancient text, is that they read it in a time vacuum, as if
time froze until _they_ opened a Bible for the first time
and as if what was then must be the same as it is now.
But of course, with any other ancient texts, they know
that they _must_ do a lot of research into the thinking
behind the texts and thoroughly investigate all of the
various peoples involved and how they thought, wrote,
spoke and lived and the times, as well as the environment
in which each of them lived. But hey, no bias there, huh?
And surely you know that trying to wipe out the
Canaanites, for example, does not compare to Hitler's
attempt for world domination over 3 or 4 billion people!
But hey, there's that "time vacuum" again! :)
Now if you have a point to make, then make it. But posting
attacks and criticisms obviously based on your own ignorance
of the things I noted above, does not make for an educated
man's post, amen? No offense. Ignorant does not mean
stupid, it means uninformed. But now that you have been
advised of your oversight, it would be stupidity if you just
continued down the same path. I'm not saying that you
have to end up agreeing with my opinion on everything,
but it is clear that you have not done your research and
that you picked and chose the verses that suited your
argument (even though you didn't really make one)
and you probably got them from some "hate the Bible"
list on some web site.
And surely you know that an attack is not the same thing
as a reasonable argument toward a point you may be
attempting to make.
--
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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| User: "Terry Cross" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
25 Jan 2008 02:01:14 AM |
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On Jan 20, 6:32 am, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:41:54 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcros...@hotmail.com> said the following:
On Jan 19, 6:00 pm, Pastor Dave
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:37:30 -0800 (PST),
Terry Cross said the following:
You have heard of the Communist Manifesto?
You have heard of Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries,
and other plans wherein campaigns were planned
and announced long in advance?
The Mosaic Covenant is one such. The story is
long and long, for it is illustrated with anecdotes,
and interspersed with threats and other irrelevancies.
But buried among those verses is a chilling blueprint
for a frightful campaign, a program of destruction
and conquest to rival anything named above.
<Snip multiple Scripture quotes.>
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize that if you just quote
passages, that it means that I must never have read
them before and that your out of context quotes
should only be read the way you take them, while
you never really explain just how you do take them!
That is just how those who quote the Koran present their quotes. If
the Koran must be judged for single phrases and words, surely the
Bible may be judged for whole sentences.
But those quotes are not out of context - each is given with book,
chapter, and verse. Anyone who would accept a quote on my say-so is
in trouble already. An adult would, if curious, confirm the quote
with a bible of her choice, and in the process grab as much context as
suited her intellect and curiosity.
Gee, my bad! Next time I'll make sure to get my,
"Read in the mode of the other person's arrogance"
glasses on!
I am sorry, Pastor, but as I have presented them
is how I read and understand them. The official
promised land includes Iraq, parts of Saudi Arabia
and Jordan in my understanding. Do you agree?
Can you correct me?
You are still being arrogant. You haven't presented them
any way, except for quoting them.
Not true. My preamble is the statement of my understanding. The
quotes are provided to bolster the statements. I am not interpreting
the Bible as it were an oracle. I am shocking you with a small
distillation of its evil.
The Torah is not the document of Jesus. Jesus tells you over and over
the Torah is not the word of God, the Father.
The Torah is a honed document designed to turn the Jews into a
destructive weapon against the world. I have shown you a few of the
choicer segments, but there are many more.
You find good in the Torah - but the good you hardly only the bait in
the trap, the sugar in the cyanide. And less than that, too, for you
invest the Torah with your own good intentions, straining to wrest
from it something that satisfies your love of God.
You must move past the Torah, Pastor. You must choose between the
Torah and God. Torah tells you that God tells people to murder
children. Jesus denies it. Which is true? You must choose.
Torah tells you to stone the Sabbath breaker, the adulteress, the
rebellious child. Jesus tells you NO, and he demonstrates the new
commandments with his life. Who do you believe, Pastor?
The Old Torah betrayed Jesus to his death, nailing him up with spikes
of malice from Deuteronomy 13. Jesus went to his death to shock you,
to force you to question that fearful chapter. Who do you believe?
You must choose, Pastor.
That's my point.
You think that just because you quoted them, that means
that everyone knows what's in your head, as if they can
only be read one way. But as I told you, you are quoting
things out of context, to suit a need you seem to have,
for making it appear as if something funny is going on.
It is not funny. It is deadly serious.
So my question is; What is your point? What are you
saying they mean, specifically? I see that you're
claiming that there was a terror campaign going on,
in your opinion, but with each verse, you did not
explain what it meant to you and that is important.
How you see the puzzle fitting together, agreed?
The lessons of Jesus were not a crossword puzzle. Numerology is not
required. Read the Torah, then read the lectures of Jesus. Read the
Sermon on the Mount. There is no fit. The statements in the two
"testaments" are bold and dripping with blood: The Torah with
brutality and genocide, the Gospels with virtue betrayed.
Now in your mind, you may not mean to be arrogant.
However, to make such a claim without deep study,
is rather arrogant, since no one should ever look at
ancient texts and jump to conclusions and neither
should one just paste in something and assume that
each piece of the puzzle will be read the same way
by everyone else.
Did Jesus come to remind the Jews they had failed to massacre all the
Canaanites and the children of the Canaanites? Surely that would be
the first thing on God's mind, if he gave the order in the first
place. But Jesus taught for three years and apparently never
mentioned the subject. Search, Pastor: Did Jesus remind the Jews of
their obligation to exterminate the Amaleks?
I see those verses totally different than you apparently do,
even though I did wonder the same thing for a while and
was confused by God commanding these people to go out
and "slay by the sword", these various peoples. Until the
time that I decided to find out more about them. You see,
ignorance is the key in misunderstanding and the biggest
mistake people can make when reading the Bible, which
by the way, is not a mistake they make with any other
ancient text, is that they read it in a time vacuum, as if
time froze until _they_ opened a Bible for the first time
and as if what was then must be the same as it is now.
But of course, with any other ancient texts, they know
that they _must_ do a lot of research into the thinking
behind the texts and thoroughly investigate all of the
various peoples involved and how they thought, wrote,
spoke and lived and the times, as well as the environment
in which each of them lived. But hey, no bias there, huh?
It has nothing to do with bias. I grew up with the Bible, went to
church as a child. No one has turned me against the Torah but the
Torah itself - that, and a better understanding of the mercy of Jesus.
And surely you know that trying to wipe out the
Canaanites, for example, does not compare to Hitler's
attempt for world domination over 3 or 4 billion people!
But hey, there's that "time vacuum" again! :)
I don't know about that. The world population was only two billion in
1964. Hitler's ambitions of dominating the whole world have yet to be
discovered in any speech or document.
Now if you have a point to make, then make it. But posting
attacks and criticisms obviously based on your own ignorance
of the things I noted above, does not make for an educated
man's post, amen? No offense. Ignorant does not mean
stupid, it means uninformed.
I am not offended, and I fully understand that you may be deeply
offended by what I write now. Randy also may be offended, but there
is no compromise with this truth. I speak as I must, and hope you
will consider it.
But now that you have been
advised of your oversight, it would be stupidity if you just
continued down the same path. I'm not saying that you
have to end up agreeing with my opinion on everything,
but it is clear that you have not done your research and
that you picked and chose the verses that suited your
argument (even though you didn't really make one)
and you probably got them from some "hate the Bible"
list on some web site.
I found them myself in a printed Bible, and copied the quotes from
http://biblegateway.com as I always do.
And surely you know that an attack is not the same thing
as a reasonable argument toward a point you may be
attempting to make.
Intellectual struggle is not my intent. I present my case for those
who might hear. I will pin no one to the ground and force feed my
message.
--
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
I contend that Moses was a false prophet, and Jesus was true. There
can be no reconciling the two without desperate violence to the
message of Jesus.
TCross
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: Jewish Plan for World Domination |
25 Jan 2008 12:08:15 PM |
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On Jan 25, 12:01 am, Terry Cross <tcros...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 20, 6:32 am, Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
"If then, these teachings [of a false prophet]
contradict the chief doctrine and article of Christ,
we should accord them neither with attention nor
acceptance though it were to snow miracles daily."
- Martin Luther
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