On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:49:37 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:42:45 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:24:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:56:43 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:

The following came from a post from checker who was responding to what
Jim had posted. I do not have Jim's actual post to quote from.

Checker's response was titled "Polytheism Exposed" dated 8/18/2007

The hell-bent minds of the god-people worshippers have been blinded by
the lies they have swallowed (2 Thes 2:11)

2 Thess 2:8-12
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will
consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness
of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the
working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and
with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they
did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they
should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not
believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
NKJV


Verse eight of the quoted passages clearly says that the the time
period spoken of is "then the lawless one will be revealed"; hence a
still future time. Jim is point people to verse eleven which says
"God will send them strong delusion" which is speaking about future
people; not present people. Jim has accused God of sending strong
delusion to blind people living today. Jim has charged God with
Satan's crimes.

Though I have asked him to explain his docrine, Jim has not proven
that his Jesus replaced God. Jim's version of the Oneness doctrine
can only lead one to believe that Jim's Jesus which is another Jesus
somehow (from Jim's point of view) either usurped the throne of God as
Satan attempted to do or that his Jesus killed God and took over as
God.

2Co 11:3-5 KJV
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through
his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity
that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not
preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received,
or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with
him.
5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

Jim speaks about another Jesus whom Paul did not preach. Which spirit
has Jim received. Why is Jim's gospel another gospel?

Gal 1:6-9 KJV
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into
the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would
pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel
unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be
accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul preached the Gospel concerning "Christ;" not the gospel of
"Jesus." There is no Gospel of Jesus. Consider the opening verse of
the Gospel of Mark which speaks about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Mar 1:1 KJV
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Now, I know that there are some who abbreviate "the Gospel of Jesus
Christ" to the "Gospel of Jesus"; but they do not mean to present a
different gospel. Jim desires to present a different gospel and that
makes it apparent that as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
sophistry so also have been Jim's mind from the simplicity that is in
Christ. Why else would he speak against God as he does?

I am not against those churches that teach Oneness. Nor am I against
the people in those churches who are being led about. I am against
and am speaking against something that I have seen developing in the
posts by some of those who claim to be Oneness who may not even be
giving an accurate representation of what Oneness doctrine actually
is. There are patterns in the posts of those who say they are
Oneness; evil unloving intolerant arrogant holier than thou patterns
where anyone outside their group is anethema. I do not see Jesus
Christ in what they say in their posts; but I sure do see a lot of
Satan's nature manifested in them.

Jim, you would be wise to compare what you believe to what the word of
God actually says. You may be unable to do this, but I or someone
else may be able to help you. Explain your doctrine as best you can
citing passages that you think support your beliefs. Then I or
someone else can show you what the verses actually say so that the
light of the word will dispell the darkness from your mind. You are
at the point where you need to make some right choices. Speaking
against God like you do opens the door for the thief to come and
steal, kill, and destroy.
BB

I've come to recognize your elevator is not making it to the top floor - in
fact most of the time it appears to be stuck on the ground - and for that
reason I am going to have to cut you some slack. I believe you are one
of those rare cases whereby if you were charged with a crime the jury would
have to find you not guilty by reason of mental impairment.

Jim,

Appearances are deceiving. That which appears to you to be a
messenger of light is really a messenger of darkness.

If you think you are right in what you believe, then why not simply
document it from the Scriptures. Rest assured that I will work
through each verse you cite and your explanation of it to see whether
what you say is true.

Now, what about the allegation you made against God? After reading
the above, do you still believe that God is the evil doer that you
accused Him of being? Do you understand the difference between God
sending strong delusions to unbelievers and God sending strong
delusions to His children?

By the way, Kelly and Carl went nuts when they read my post to you
about posting your beliefs where I used the allegory of a daughter.
Did you take offense at the wording of the allegory?

No - not at all - because I realize you're not dealing with a full deck.

Jim,

Nah, the deck is full. Maybe the two wild jokers are too much
BB