On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:10:14 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
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"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:04:12 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
<shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote:
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:05:38 -0700, "Chuck Stamford"
<shell__stamford@cox.net> wrote:
In fact, John's gospel is an obvious response
to some sort of gnostic influence that had
begun to creep into the Church, and he didn't
write it until well AFTER Paul's death.
And just when do you think he wrote it and
when do you think Paul died?
The earliest date for which there is any hard evidence
is ca. 80 AD.
That's not true. You are using dating by liberals.
It doesn't surprise me though, that you would
accept the word of those who doubt Christ,
when it suits your doctrine.
To push it any earlier one must go beyond
the hard evidence into the realm of speculative
inferences from the hard evidence.
No stupid, it means that they don't accept the word
of those who doubt Scripture, but rather, listen to
Scripture itself.
Your same liberal daters, claim that the Gospels were
written after the Temple was destroyed and therefore,
the writers weren't being honest about what Jesus
said, but were writing history into it.
I don't know what you're talking about, as usual,
because the people whose dating of the gospels
I tend to accept put the three synoptics from
37-60 AD. Of course, the latter date in the range
80-100 AD could concievably be called a "liberal"
dating, but the earliest one certainly isn't.
Listen weasel, we aren't talking about the synoptics.
We're talking about YOUR claim that John wrote
his Gospel, which is NOT one of the synoptics,
LONG after Paul died.
And you know what? I'm just not going to do this
with someone who never provides ANY evidence
for what they claim is fact.
Lies only make you a liar and ignoring the proof
and running away, doesn't mean it wasn't provided.
You have yet to answer the question of when Paul
died and yet, you claim that I am the one who won't
back up his claims with evidence, even though I did
not make any claims in this thread!
When Paul died is irrelevant to the point that Christ
did not return in 70 AD
You are a stupid man. It is completely relevant,
when you claim that John wrote it LONG AFTER
Paul died. How stupid, can you make that claim,
when you can't tell us when Paul died? DUH!!!
I didn't say I couldn't tell you when Paul died.
That is my point, stupid! You made a claim and all
I asked you, was to tell me when you claim these
two things happened!
I said the date of his death gives us no evidence
of the date that John wrote Revelation and his
gospel.
Well, DUH!
Listen, dumb *****... there is only one issue here.
YOUR claim that John wrote his Gospel LONG AFTER
Paul died. And I asked you two questions.
1) When do you claim John wrote his Gospel.
2) When do you believe Paul died.
You claimed a date for when John wrote his Gospel,
which was 80 AD.
Now what proof did you offer? Oh yea, that's right!
It went as follows:
"I said so and I said that that is proof."
You have not provided a date for when you think
Paul died yet. Now how are we supposed to assess
you claim that John wrote his Gospel LONG AFTER
Paul died, if you won't provide a date for Paul's death?
And yet, you claim that I'm the one who never
backs up his claims! BAWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
<chuckle>
Look, I'm not going to beat up on an unarmed man
like you in some battle of wits, okay?
How much "wits" does it take to note that you never
answered the question?!
If it bears on the subject at hand, and it's a legitimate
line of argumentation
Thank you for admitting that asking you to back up
your claims is not "a legitimate line of argumentation"!
You have just admitted that asking you to back up
your claims is not "a legitimate line of argumentation"!
And yet, you claim that I'm the one who never
backs up his claims! BAWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
<chuckle>
then I'll waste some time with you going over it
Yea Chuck, it's a real waste of your valuable time,
when someone asks you two simple questions!
I didn't even say you were wrong! I just asked you
for the dates that you believe are answers to the
two questions!
The truth is, YOU KNEW you were full of crap and
that you couldn't back up your statements and that
you were just talking out of your ***** and so, now
you are trying to pretend that I have somehow
violated some code of common sense! <chuckle>
but the rest of this crap I'm just going to ignore
from now on in this thread.
Chuck Stamford
Translation: I can't back up my claim that John wrote
his Gospel LONG AFTER PAUL DIED and I'm hoping
that insulting Dave will distract people from that fact.
--
"The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz
did see. Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand;
it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's
heart shall melt:" - Isaiah 13:1,6-9 (prophecy regarding
Babylon, fulfilled in 539 B.C.)
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