Religions > Bible > Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush's National Guard Records by Next Week.
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16 Sep 2004 06:52:42 PM |
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Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush's National Guard Records by Next Week. |
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 9/16/04:
http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2004091617150001570164
Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004
Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush Records
WASHINGTON (AP) -
A federal judge has ordered the Pentagon to find and make public by
next week any unreleased files about President Bush's Vietnam-era Air
National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
filed by The Associated Press.
U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. handed down the order late
Wednesday in New York.
The AP lawsuit already has led to the disclosure of previously
unreleased flight logs from Bush's days piloting F-102A fighters and
other jets.
Pentagon officials told Baer they plan to have their search complete
by Monday.
Baer ordered the Pentagon to hand over the records to the AP by Sept.
24 and provide a written statement by Sept. 29 detailing the search
for more records.
``We're hopeful the Department of Defense will provide a full
accounting of the steps it has taken, as the judge ordered, so the
public can have some assurance that there are no documents being
withheld,'' said AP lawyer David Schulz.
White House officials have said Bush ordered the Pentagon
earlier this year to conduct a thorough search for the president's
records, and officials allowed reporters to review everything that
was gathered back in February.
Through a series of requests under the federal open records law
and a subsequent suit, the AP uncovered the flight logs, which were
not part of the records the White House released earlier this year.
Both Bush's and John Kerry's service records in Vietnam have
become a major issue in the presidential race.
New records that have surfaced in recent weeks have raised more
questions.
Bush's critics say Bush got preferential treatment as the son of
a congressman and U.N. ambassador.
Critics also question why Bush skipped a required medical examination
in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period
that year.
Bush has repeatedly said he fulfilled all of his Air National Guard
obligations.
The future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, when
he graduated from Yale.
He spent more than a year on active duty learning how to fly and then
mostly flew in the one-seat F-102A fighters until April 1972.
The pilot logs show a shift to flights in two-seat trainer jets in
March 1972, shortly before Bush quit flying.
Former Air National Guard officials say that could have been because
F-102A jets were not available for Bush to fly or because of other
reasons, such as concerns about Bush's flight performance.
Bush skipped his required yearly medical exam in 1972 in the months
after he stopped flying in April.
Bush has said he moved to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful Senate
campaign of a family friend.
Bush never showed up for Guard service between late April and
mid-October 1972.
He won approval to train with an Alabama Air National Guard unit
during September, October and November 1972, but more than a dozen
members of the unit at that time say they never saw him there.
The only direct record of Bush appearing at the Alabama unit's base is
a January 1973 dental exam performed at that base.
Bush's Texas commanders wrote in May 1973 they never saw him between
May 1972 and April 1973, a time when his pay records show he trained
on 14 days.
Although military regulations allowed commanders to order two years of
active duty for guardsmen who missed more than three straight months
of drills, that never happened to Bush.
Commanders had leeway at the time to allow guardsmen to make up for
missed drills.
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This should be interesting.
Harry
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| Title: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!! ==> Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush's National Guard Records by Next Week. |
16 Sep 2004 08:44:17 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:52:42 -0000, Joseph Hazelwood
<Joseph.Hazelwood@exxon.com> wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 9/16/04:
http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2004091617150001570164
Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004
Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush Records
WASHINGTON (AP) -
A federal judge has ordered the Pentagon to find and make public by
next week any unreleased files about President Bush's Vietnam-era Air
National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
filed by The Associated Press.
U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. handed down the order late
Wednesday in New York.
The AP lawsuit already has led to the disclosure of previously
unreleased flight logs from Bush's days piloting F-102A fighters and
other jets.
Pentagon officials told Baer they plan to have their search complete
by Monday.
Baer ordered the Pentagon to hand over the records to the AP by Sept.
24 and provide a written statement by Sept. 29 detailing the search
for more records.
``We're hopeful the Department of Defense will provide a full
accounting of the steps it has taken, as the judge ordered, so the
public can have some assurance that there are no documents being
withheld,'' said AP lawyer David Schulz.
White House officials have said Bush ordered the Pentagon
earlier this year to conduct a thorough search for the president's
records, and officials allowed reporters to review everything that
was gathered back in February.
Through a series of requests under the federal open records law
and a subsequent suit, the AP uncovered the flight logs, which were
not part of the records the White House released earlier this year.
Both Bush's and John Kerry's service records in Vietnam have
become a major issue in the presidential race.
New records that have surfaced in recent weeks have raised more
questions.
Bush's critics say Bush got preferential treatment as the son of
a congressman and U.N. ambassador.
Critics also question why Bush skipped a required medical examination
in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period
that year.
Bush has repeatedly said he fulfilled all of his Air National Guard
obligations.
The future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, when
he graduated from Yale.
He spent more than a year on active duty learning how to fly and then
mostly flew in the one-seat F-102A fighters until April 1972.
The pilot logs show a shift to flights in two-seat trainer jets in
March 1972, shortly before Bush quit flying.
Former Air National Guard officials say that could have been because
F-102A jets were not available for Bush to fly or because of other
reasons, such as concerns about Bush's flight performance.
Bush skipped his required yearly medical exam in 1972 in the months
after he stopped flying in April.
Bush has said he moved to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful Senate
campaign of a family friend.
Bush never showed up for Guard service between late April and
mid-October 1972.
He won approval to train with an Alabama Air National Guard unit
during September, October and November 1972, but more than a dozen
members of the unit at that time say they never saw him there.
The only direct record of Bush appearing at the Alabama unit's base is
a January 1973 dental exam performed at that base.
Bush's Texas commanders wrote in May 1973 they never saw him between
May 1972 and April 1973, a time when his pay records show he trained
on 14 days.
Although military regulations allowed commanders to order two years of
active duty for guardsmen who missed more than three straight months
of drills, that never happened to Bush.
Commanders had leeway at the time to allow guardsmen to make up for
missed drills.
__________________________________________________________
This should be interesting.
Harry
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| User: "Carl Legner" |
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| Title: Re: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!! ==> Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush's National Guard Records by Next Week. |
17 Sep 2004 11:16:58 AM |
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"N0NE" <N0NE@N0NE.C0M> wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:52:42 -0000, Joseph Hazelwood
<Joseph.Hazelwood@exxon.com> wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 9/16/04:
http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=2004091617150001570164
Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004
Judge Orders U.S. to Find Bush Records
WASHINGTON (AP) -
A federal judge has ordered the Pentagon to find and make public by
next week any unreleased files about President Bush's Vietnam-era Air
National Guard service to resolve a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit
filed by The Associated Press.
U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. handed down the order late
Wednesday in New York.
The AP lawsuit already has led to the disclosure of previously
unreleased flight logs from Bush's days piloting F-102A fighters and
other jets.
Pentagon officials told Baer they plan to have their search complete
by Monday.
Baer ordered the Pentagon to hand over the records to the AP by Sept.
24 and provide a written statement by Sept. 29 detailing the search
for more records.
``We're hopeful the Department of Defense will provide a full
accounting of the steps it has taken, as the judge ordered, so the
public can have some assurance that there are no documents being
withheld,'' said AP lawyer David Schulz.
White House officials have said Bush ordered the Pentagon
earlier this year to conduct a thorough search for the president's
records, and officials allowed reporters to review everything that
was gathered back in February.
Through a series of requests under the federal open records law
and a subsequent suit, the AP uncovered the flight logs, which were
not part of the records the White House released earlier this year.
Both Bush's and John Kerry's service records in Vietnam have
become a major issue in the presidential race.
New records that have surfaced in recent weeks have raised more
questions.
Bush's critics say Bush got preferential treatment as the son of
a congressman and U.N. ambassador.
Critics also question why Bush skipped a required medical examination
in 1972 and failed to show up for drills during a six-month period
that year.
Bush has repeatedly said he fulfilled all of his Air National Guard
obligations.
The future president joined the Texas Air National Guard in 1968, when
he graduated from Yale.
He spent more than a year on active duty learning how to fly and then
mostly flew in the one-seat F-102A fighters until April 1972.
The pilot logs show a shift to flights in two-seat trainer jets in
March 1972, shortly before Bush quit flying.
Former Air National Guard officials say that could have been because
F-102A jets were not available for Bush to fly or because of other
reasons, such as concerns about Bush's flight performance.
Bush skipped his required yearly medical exam in 1972 in the months
after he stopped flying in April.
Bush has said he moved to Alabama to work on the unsuccessful Senate
campaign of a family friend.
Bush never showed up for Guard service between late April and
mid-October 1972.
He won approval to train with an Alabama Air National Guard unit
during September, October and November 1972, but more than a dozen
members of the unit at that time say they never saw him there.
The only direct record of Bush appearing at the Alabama unit's base is
a January 1973 dental exam performed at that base.
Bush's Texas commanders wrote in May 1973 they never saw him between
May 1972 and April 1973, a time when his pay records show he trained
on 14 days.
Although military regulations allowed commanders to order two years of
active duty for guardsmen who missed more than three straight months
of drills, that never happened to Bush.
Commanders had leeway at the time to allow guardsmen to make up for
missed drills.
__________________________________________________________
This should be interesting.
Harry
Great Idea! And let's force the CIA and FBI to release any and all info
they gathered on John Kerry during the same years including HIS adherance
to the policies of the Navy Reservist codes and his actions in the Vets
Against the War.
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| Title: Re: PROOF THAT LIBERALS HATE AMERICA!!! ==> Judge Orders U.S.to Find Bush's National Guard Records by Next Week. |
17 Sep 2004 11:38:16 AM |
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Carl Legner wrote:
Great Idea! And let's force the CIA and FBI to release any and all info
they gathered on John Kerry during the same years including HIS adherance
to the policies of the Navy Reservist codes and his actions in the Vets
Against the War.
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040421205043310
In June 1971, Le Duc Tho arrived in Paris to join the North Vietnamese Communist delegation to the peace talks. His arrival marked a sea change in the Communists' approach to advancing their goals via negotiations. Le Duc Tho was with Ho Chi Minh one of the original founders of the Communist Party of Indochina, one of North Vietnam's chief strategists.
He arrived to join a comrade, Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, who had been a member of the Central Committee for the National Front for the Liberation of the South, and was now Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government (PRG) of South Vietnam. The military arm of the PRG was widely known as the Viet Cong, just as Madame Binh was widely recognized as the Viet Cong delegate to the conference.
On July 1, 1971, within days of Le Duc Tho's arrival, Madame Binh advanced a new 7-Point Proposal to end the war. Central to this plan was a cleverly crafted provision offering to set a date for the return of U.S. prisoners of war in exchange for the Americans setting a date for complete, unilateral military withdrawal from Vietnam. In other words, America could have her POWs back only if we would agree we lost, surrender, and set a date to leave.
About one year earlier, two young Americans had also come to Paris, arguably for their honeymoon -- John Kerry, a young, clean-shaven Navy war veteran, accompanied by his new wife, the former Julia Thorne, whose lineage traced back to George Washington.
But honeymooning was not John Kerry's only purpose in traveling to Paris. Kerry's presidential campaign has now acknowledged that he "talked privately with a leading communist representative" there.
On April 22, 1971, as he testified before Senator Fulbright's Committee on Foreign Relations, John Kerry mentioned that in Paris he had meetings with "both sides" of the Paris Peace Talks. The strong likelihood is that John Kerry also met with Le Duc Tho, or some other representative of the North Vietnamese delegation, in addition to Madame Binh who was in Paris representing the PRG. There is no reason to assume John Kerry had any interest in meeting with representatives of the other two sides in the Peace Talks -- the United States or South Vietnam.
Madame Binh's proposal was carefully crafted to send a strong emotional message to the American home front; that the only barrier to having our POWs returned was America's own unwillingness to set a date to withdraw -- even if the proposed withdrawal amounted to a defeat. The 7-Point Proposal directly challenged the South Vietnamese proposal to set a date for a truce and a free election designed to reunify Vietnam. The PRG and the Viet Cong clearly agreed with the Premier of Communist China, Cho En-lai that complete withdrawal of American military forces from Vietnam was the only precondition that would be discussed.
On July 22, 1971, John Kerry called a press conference in Washington, D.C. Speaking on behalf of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), Kerry openly urged President Nixon to accept Madame Binh's 7-Point plan.
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