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"IknowHimDoYou" |
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10 Nov 2003 12:40:58 PM |
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Just What Is The Gospel? |
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
The "root" of the Gospel is often confused by the "fruit" of the Gospel.
The "root" being only what the Lord Jesus Christ has done to satisfy the
justice required by the Father in that He died to save us by shedding His
precious blood for the remission of our sins. We cannot, we dare not, add
anything to this "root" or we risk falling into error as many have.
The "fruit" of the Gospel concerns us in that we died in Christ (Gal 2:20)
and now we live for Him and through Him. The "fruit" cannot precede the
"root".
Have you believed(trusted in , relied upon) the "root" the Gospel of the
Lord Jesus Christ? Or are you trusting in your own "fruit" for salvation?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
10 Nov 2003 01:53:38 PM |
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IknowHimDoYou wrote:
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
The "root" of the Gospel is often confused by the "fruit" of the Gospel.
===>NONSENSE presented as attempted cleverness.
Also, how clever of you to omit the most important portion:
"the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it,
but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
In other words, he did not learn it from the followers who knew
Jesus, but a figment of his own imagination he dreamed up all by himself,
claiming he got it directly from "Jesus Christ". -- L.
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| User: "Hector" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
10 Nov 2003 03:25:35 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:53:38 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
IknowHimDoYou wrote:
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
The "root" of the Gospel is often confused by the "fruit" of the Gospel.
===>NONSENSE presented as attempted cleverness.
Also, how clever of you to omit the most important portion:
"the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it,
but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
In other words, he did not learn it from the followers who knew
Jesus, but a figment of his own imagination he dreamed up all by himself,
claiming he got it directly from "Jesus Christ". -- L.
Notwithstanding the fact that Peter, an Apostle of Christ,
affirms Paul's "revelations":
2 Peter 3:13
But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new
earth, in which righteousness dwells.
3:14
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be
found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
3:15
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our
beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
3:16
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which
are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable
distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own
destruction.
3:17
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so
that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and
fall from your own steadfastness,
3:18
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity.
Amen.
A fine endorsement, isn't it? Yes, now would be the time to
assert that the Epistle of Peter wasn't written by Peter. The
preponderant evidence for such a claim will sway even the most studied
Biblical pedant, won't it?
Dazzled by atheism,
Hector
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
10 Nov 2003 06:14:03 PM |
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Hector wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:53:38 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
IknowHimDoYou wrote:
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
The "root" of the Gospel is often confused by the "fruit" of the Gospel.
===>NONSENSE presented as attempted cleverness.
Also, how clever of you to omit the most important portion:
"the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it,
but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
In other words, he did not learn it from the followers who knew
Jesus, but a figment of his own imagination he dreamed up all by himself,
claiming he got it directly from "Jesus Christ". -- L.
Notwithstanding the fact that Peter, an Apostle of Christ,
affirms Paul's "revelations":
===>Biblical scholarship has determined that Peter did not write
that letter.
"It is certain, therefore, that II Pet does not originate with Peter,
and this is today widely acknowledged."
SEE: "2 Peter" at EARLY CHRISTIAN WRITINGS
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2peter.html
2 Peter 3:13
But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new
earth, in which righteousness dwells.
3:14
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be
found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
3:15
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our
beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
3:16
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which
are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable
distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own
destruction.
3:17
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so
that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and
fall from your own steadfastness,
3:18
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity.
Amen.
A fine endorsement, isn't it? Yes, now would be the time to
assert that the Epistle of Peter wasn't written by Peter.
===>RIGHT. It was not! It is a piece of PSEUDEPIGRAPHA.
SEE:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2peter.html
The
preponderant evidence for such a claim will sway even the most studied
Biblical pedant, won't it?
===>Obviously not the like of YOU, blinded by doctrinal prejudice.
Libertarius
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| User: "Hector" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
10 Nov 2003 07:11:26 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:14:03 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Hector wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:53:38 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
IknowHimDoYou wrote:
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
The "root" of the Gospel is often confused by the "fruit" of the Gospel.
===>NONSENSE presented as attempted cleverness.
Also, how clever of you to omit the most important portion:
"the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it,
but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
In other words, he did not learn it from the followers who knew
Jesus, but a figment of his own imagination he dreamed up all by himself,
claiming he got it directly from "Jesus Christ". -- L.
Notwithstanding the fact that Peter, an Apostle of Christ,
affirms Paul's "revelations":
===>Biblical scholarship has determined that Peter did not write
that letter.
"It is certain, therefore, that II Pet does not originate with Peter,
and this is today widely acknowledged."
SEE: "2 Peter" at EARLY CHRISTIAN WRITINGS
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2peter.html
2 Peter 3:13
But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new
earth, in which righteousness dwells.
3:14
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be
found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
3:15
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our
beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
3:16
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which
are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable
distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own
destruction.
3:17
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so
that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and
fall from your own steadfastness,
3:18
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity.
Amen.
A fine endorsement, isn't it? Yes, now would be the time to
assert that the Epistle of Peter wasn't written by Peter.
===>RIGHT. It was not! It is a piece of PSEUDEPIGRAPHA.
SEE:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2peter.html
This "opinion" is not universally shared as the author of the
same opinion would have all to believe:
http://www.bible.org/docs/nt/books/2pe/peter2.htm
The detractors of Petrine authorship of the canonical Epistles of
Peter stretch pedantic analyses to the extreme. It is assumptive,
specious, and atheistical; convenient fodder for those who are
"untaught and unstable."
Hector
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| User: "Shan" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
11 Nov 2003 11:28:29 AM |
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Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
Hector <Melitus@Dithyrambic.com> wrote in message news:<nod0rvkh8d93n1o75omo3ien01tnk3p8h8@4ax.com>...
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:14:03 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
Hector wrote:
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:53:38 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote:
IknowHimDoYou wrote:
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
The "root" of the Gospel is often confused by the "fruit" of the Gospel.
===>NONSENSE presented as attempted cleverness.
Also, how clever of you to omit the most important portion:
"the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man.
For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it,
but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ."
In other words, he did not learn it from the followers who knew
Jesus, but a figment of his own imagination he dreamed up all by himself,
claiming he got it directly from "Jesus Christ". -- L.
Notwithstanding the fact that Peter, an Apostle of Christ,
affirms Paul's "revelations":
===>Biblical scholarship has determined that Peter did not write
that letter.
"It is certain, therefore, that II Pet does not originate with Peter,
and this is today widely acknowledged."
SEE: "2 Peter" at EARLY CHRISTIAN WRITINGS
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2peter.html
2 Peter 3:13
But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new
earth, in which righteousness dwells.
3:14
Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be
found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
3:15
and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our
beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
3:16
as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which
are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable
distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own
destruction.
3:17
You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so
that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and
fall from your own steadfastness,
3:18
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity.
Amen.
A fine endorsement, isn't it? Yes, now would be the time to
assert that the Epistle of Peter wasn't written by Peter.
===>RIGHT. It was not! It is a piece of PSEUDEPIGRAPHA.
SEE:
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/2peter.html
This "opinion" is not universally shared as the author of the
same opinion would have all to believe:
http://www.bible.org/docs/nt/books/2pe/peter2.htm
The detractors of Petrine authorship of the canonical Epistles of
Peter stretch pedantic analyses to the extreme. It is assumptive,
specious, and atheistical; convenient fodder for those who are
"untaught and unstable."
Hector
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
11 Nov 2003 11:37:18 AM |
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Shan wrote:
Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
===>Why not "See Library of Congress"???
That would be even broader!
What do you mean by "Biblical archaeology is of the opinion"???
The magazine by that name? Where? What article?
You simply made up that statement. NO ONE thinks
that as far as I know, not even the most conservative
scholars. -- L.
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| User: "Shan" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
11 Nov 2003 06:38:22 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB11E4E.21048A36@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
===>Why not "See Library of Congress"???
That would be even broader!
What do you mean by "Biblical archaeology is of the opinion"???
The magazine by that name? Where? What article?
You simply made up that statement. NO ONE thinks
that as far as I know, not even the most conservative
scholars. -- L.
How foolish and stupid are YOU going to be when you read the lines
that follow?
Here are your references:
"Literacy in the Time of Jesus" Alan Millard, Biblical Archaeology
Review, July/August 2003
"Did Jesus Speak Greek?" Joseph Fizmyer, Biblical Archaeology Review,
Sept/Oct 1992
"Literacy in the Ancient World," J.H. Humphrey, 1991
There are other references and materials that point to the same but it
is useful to mention that the Talmud holds that many 'batei sefer'
(schools), which taught reading and writing, existed before the
destruction of the Second Temple (70 A.D.) i.e. during Christ's
lifetime. Further, five out of 12 of the Disciples could write:
Matthew, Joh, Peter, James and Jude.
The casual letters often found among 50,000 papyri manuscripts show
that writing was by no means restricted to official matters and was
often engaged by non-official persons who wrote of banal phenomena.
It would be very useful for you to note that a number of the folks who
made the studies are less partial about the subject then a religious
person would be especially because they're non-religious, to my
knowledge, and/or Jewish. They're scholars are going about their
business with no specific agenda. I value their credibility more
than I would a Christian who is trying to prove the Bible right.
Read Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR). it is very informative and
educational. And, no. They did not pay me to adverstize their
magazine.
Shan
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
12 Nov 2003 09:26:14 AM |
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Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB11E4E.21048A36@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
===>Why not "See Library of Congress"???
That would be even broader!
What do you mean by "Biblical archaeology is of the opinion"???
The magazine by that name? Where? What article?
You simply made up that statement. NO ONE thinks
that as far as I know, not even the most conservative
scholars. -- L.
How foolish and stupid are YOU going to be when you read the lines
that follow?
Here are your references:
"Literacy in the Time of Jesus" Alan Millard, Biblical Archaeology
Review, July/August 2003
"Did Jesus Speak Greek?" Joseph Fizmyer, Biblical Archaeology Review,
Sept/Oct 1992
"Literacy in the Ancient World," J.H. Humphrey, 1991
===>NONE of that constitutes a shred of evidence for YOUR
claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down during his
ministry by his followers."
There are other references and materials that point to the same but it
is useful to mention that the Talmud holds that many 'batei sefer'
(schools), which taught reading and writing, existed before the
destruction of the Second Temple (70 A.D.) i.e. during Christ's
lifetime. Further, five out of 12 of the Disciples could write:
Matthew, Joh, Peter, James and Jude.
===>And your evidence for that?
some writings ATTRIBUTED to them???
The casual letters often found among 50,000 papyri manuscripts show
that writing was by no means restricted to official matters and was
often engaged by non-official persons who wrote of banal phenomena.
===>And that proves WHAT?
It would be very useful for you to note that a number of the folks who
made the studies are less partial about the subject then a religious
person would be especially because they're non-religious, to my
knowledge, and/or Jewish. They're scholars are going about their
business with no specific agenda. I value their credibility more
than I would a Christian who is trying to prove the Bible right.
===>I have no doubt about their credibility. Only about your
obviously FALSE claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down
during his ministry by his followers."
Read Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR). it is very informative and
educational. And, no. They did not pay me to adverstize their
magazine.
===>I have a subscription to BAR.
NOWHERE did they ever publish a claim such as yours that the
"accounts of Jesus were written down during his ministry by his followers."
In fact there is clear evidence that they were mostly INVENTED by
the authors when they did not just simply copy each other as in the
case of the author of "Matthew" copying and embellishing the material
from "Mark".
"Archeological evidence for Jesus is in the nature of the
case only background evidence. It may tell us much about the
world he lived in; it may illuminate the background to certain
stories in the gospels /10/; it may help us in deciding between
suggested locations of places mentioned in the gospels/11/. But it
cannot be expected to offer us direct evidence of a figure whose
position in society was not such as to make him the subject of
inscriptions." (Truth Journal: The Gospels As Historical Sources
For Jesus, The Founder Of Christianity, by Professor R. T. France)
http://www.leaderu.com/truth/1truth21.html
Libertarius
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| User: "Shan" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
12 Nov 2003 12:15:18 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB25116.C6317A7D@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB11E4E.21048A36@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
===>Why not "See Library of Congress"???
That would be even broader!
What do you mean by "Biblical archaeology is of the opinion"???
The magazine by that name? Where? What article?
You simply made up that statement. NO ONE thinks
that as far as I know, not even the most conservative
scholars. -- L.
How foolish and stupid are YOU going to be when you read the lines
that follow?
Here are your references:
"Literacy in the Time of Jesus" Alan Millard, Biblical Archaeology
Review, July/August 2003
"Did Jesus Speak Greek?" Joseph Fizmyer, Biblical Archaeology Review,
Sept/Oct 1992
"Literacy in the Ancient World," J.H. Humphrey, 1991
===>NONE of that constitutes a shred of evidence for YOUR
claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down during his
ministry by his followers."
It is not MY account but that of the writers. Read them first then
decide. You're sounding like a fundie.
===>I have no doubt about their credibility. Only about your
obviously FALSE claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down
during his ministry by his followers."
Not my claim. I never knew that until I read it in BAR.
===>I have a subscription to BAR.
That is a lie.
shan
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
12 Nov 2003 03:31:19 PM |
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Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB25116.C6317A7D@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB11E4E.21048A36@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
===>Why not "See Library of Congress"???
That would be even broader!
What do you mean by "Biblical archaeology is of the opinion"???
The magazine by that name? Where? What article?
You simply made up that statement. NO ONE thinks
that as far as I know, not even the most conservative
scholars. -- L.
How foolish and stupid are YOU going to be when you read the lines
that follow?
Here are your references:
"Literacy in the Time of Jesus" Alan Millard, Biblical Archaeology
Review, July/August 2003
"Did Jesus Speak Greek?" Joseph Fizmyer, Biblical Archaeology Review,
Sept/Oct 1992
"Literacy in the Ancient World," J.H. Humphrey, 1991
===>NONE of that constitutes a shred of evidence for YOUR
claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down during his
ministry by his followers."
It is not MY account but that of the writers. Read them first then
decide. You're sounding like a fundie.
===>I have no doubt about their credibility. Only about your
obviously FALSE claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down
during his ministry by his followers."
Not my claim. I never knew that until I read it in BAR.
===>I have a subscription to BAR.
That is a lie.
===>I should have known you were an idiot.
Oh, well.......
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| User: "Shan" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
13 Nov 2003 07:52:53 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB2A6A7.DB4BA234@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB25116.C6317A7D@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB11E4E.21048A36@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
Biblical archaeology is of the opinion that accounts of Jesus were
written down during his ministry by his followers. (See Biblical
Archaeology Review)
Shan
===>Why not "See Library of Congress"???
That would be even broader!
What do you mean by "Biblical archaeology is of the opinion"???
The magazine by that name? Where? What article?
You simply made up that statement. NO ONE thinks
that as far as I know, not even the most conservative
scholars. -- L.
How foolish and stupid are YOU going to be when you read the lines
that follow?
Here are your references:
"Literacy in the Time of Jesus" Alan Millard, Biblical Archaeology
Review, July/August 2003
"Did Jesus Speak Greek?" Joseph Fizmyer, Biblical Archaeology Review,
Sept/Oct 1992
"Literacy in the Ancient World," J.H. Humphrey, 1991
===>NONE of that constitutes a shred of evidence for YOUR
claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down during his
ministry by his followers."
It is not MY account but that of the writers. Read them first then
decide. You're sounding like a fundie.
===>I have no doubt about their credibility. Only about your
obviously FALSE claim, that "accounts of Jesus were written down
during his ministry by his followers."
Not my claim. I never knew that until I read it in BAR.
===>I have a subscription to BAR.
That is a lie.
===>I should have known I am an idiot.
I am glad you know yourself, now.
Shan
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
13 Nov 2003 09:50:16 AM |
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Shan wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB2A6A7.DB4BA234@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
===>I should have known you were an idiot.
Oh, well.......
Shan answered:
I should have known I am an idiot.
I am glad you know yourself, now.
And Libertarius answered:
Yes, I do know myself.
But since YOU wrote the above, it is your self-analysis
and public confession! You are, indeed, an idiot! -- L.
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| User: "Shan" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
13 Nov 2003 01:12:49 PM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message news:<3FB3A838.C73FDF19@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net>...
Shan wrote:
And Libertarius answered:
Yes, I do know myself.
But since YOU wrote the above, it is your self-analysis
and public confession! You are, indeed, an idiot! -- L.
Well, go and ***** yourself, moron.
Shan
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| User: "Hector" |
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| Title: Re: Just What Is The Gospel? -- FIGMENT |
10 Nov 2003 03:41:04 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:25:35 -0800, Hector <Melitus@Dithyrambic.com>
wrote:
A fine endorsement, isn't it? Yes, now would be the time to
assert that the Epistle of Peter wasn't written by Peter. The
preponderant evidence for such a claim will sway even the most studied
Biblical pedant, won't it?
Composing these notes on-the-fly doesn't always allow for
exemplary postings. The "Epistle of Peter" could be more aptly
described as the "Second Epistle of Peter", and "the most studied
Biblical pedant" deserves to be promoted to "the most studied Bible
pedant."
Pedantically proofing,
Hector
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| User: "oz" |
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10 Nov 2003 06:33:23 PM |
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In article <IknowHim-1011031040580001@pm6-14.kalama.com>,
IknowHim@leavingsoon.com (IknowHimDoYou) wrote:
Just What Is The Gospel?
"Moreover, brethren, I delcare unto you the gospel which I preached unto
you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and He rose again the third day according to the
scriptures:
And that He was was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:" I Cor 15: 1-5
Which means of course not that it actually happened but that Paul
claiming a revelation SAID that it did.
Pauls claim then became what we know as the Gospel account of the Last
Supper and what followed.
The core of the Gospel, when that is taken to be "Jesus died for our
sins", is Pauls claims as to the nature of the truth.
Like it of lump it!
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