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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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01 May 2007 09:19:44 AM |
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Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In |
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=20-03-012-v
Distant Neighbors
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Early one Saturday morning the doorbell rang. It was a young girl-
taller than I am, heavily built, but still a young girl. "Last night
we moved in across the street," she said. "And I've heard you have a
daughter my age. Can she come out to play?"
I called my eleven-year-old daughter, and she and one of our sons-the
seven-year-old-went out to meet the new neighbor. They played with her
all morning, building a fort and planning a club, and at lunchtime she
asked if she could eat with us, "because we don't have any food in the
house yet."
"Sure," I said, and made burritos. After lunch the kids went back out
to play some more, but within a few minutes my two came bursting back
in, looking bewildered and upset.
The seven-year-old had learned a new word. "Her mother is a lesbian!"
he announced.
Cats, Birds & Oaks
At his dramatic announcement all the kids began talking at once,
including my nine-year-old son, who had missed the whole interesting
episode and now was torn between sharing his recently acquired
knowledge of the birds and the bees, and obscuring said information
for the sake of his younger brother.
"Lesbians are like a cat trying to marry a bird," he said, then
immediately began arguing with himself. "Except a cat and a bird are
totally different, and lesbians are the same. So maybe they're more
like an oak tree trying to marry an oak tree."
His brother's eyes glazed over. Their sister, frustrated, began to
spell out, explicitly, the problem, which provoked the older boy into
covering the younger boy's ears, which resulted, inevitably, in a
wrestling match.
Desperately I called a halt to the racket and, appointing each child
to speak in turn, pieced together what had happened. The conversation
seems to have gone something like this:
Neighbor girl: "Do you think being a lesbian is okay?"
My daughter: "No."
My son: "What's a lesbian?"
Neighbor girl: "You know, like, gay."
"What's gay?"
"Oh, you know. Like two men getting married, or two women getting
married."
Not Okay
My son's eyes were big as he repeated this to me. He had not yet had
"the talk," but he knew marriage was about a man and a woman. "I told
her she had to be confused," he said. "Isn't she confused?"
The new girl had waved off his protest. "I'm not confused," she said.
"Sometimes women marry women."
"But babies have to have a mommy and a daddy-"
"Well, duh. I have a Dad. He just doesn't live with us anymore. That
happens sometimes, okay? It just happens. Women marry women. Or they
would, if the government would let them. And"-turning back to my
daughter-"you don't think that's okay?"
My daughter, calmly: "No."
"Why not?"
"Because the Bible says it's not."
"No, it doesn't."
"Yes, it really does. Would you like me to show you?"
Neighbor girl: "No. It doesn't matter, because God probably doesn't
even exist. Or even if he does, there's no such thing as heaven and
hell, and anyway religion bores me. Don't you think it's boring?"
"No."
"Whatever. But here's the thing: I know some lesbians. I know them
really well. Really, really, really well."
"I bet I can guess," said my seven-year-old, relieved that the
conversation was moving away from her anti-religious sentiments.
Neighbor girl: "It's not me! It is so not me. Gross! Not me, not
ever."
My son nodded in the direction of the house across the street, where
two women were shifting around furniture and boxes in the garage. "I
was going to guess your mom," he said.
"That's right," the girl said despondently. "She's a lesbian. But I am
not a lesbian. No way. But listen-don't tell your Mom until tonight,
okay?"
"Why not?"
"Because then she won't be able to go yell at my Mom until tomorrow,
so we can be friends for the rest of today."
My kids looked at each other. Here, finally, was a topic my son
completely understood.
"Um, listen," he said to the new girl. "I don't know much about
lesbians, but I know my mother. She is not going to go yell at your
mother."
"But she won't let us be friends."
"Why not? The girl who used to live in your house-her parents were
divorced, and divorce isn't a good thing, either, but we were friends
with her anyway. And my mother was friends with her mother."
"It isn't the same thing. Everybody gets divorced-I mean, like duh, my
parents are divorced. It's not a big deal. But nobody likes lesbians."
We live, mind you, in the left-leaning, religion-shunning Pacific
Northwest.
Then the girl began to cry. "Goodbye," she said. "Nice knowing you.
Have a good life." My children came home, bewildered and upset.
Still Friends
" Of course you can be friends," I said. "But you'll have to agree to
disagree about this. Tell her you can be friends, but she cannot keep
trying to persuade you that her mother's behavior is acceptable." They
nodded.
"She's really upset," my son said, tears welling up in his eyes. "She
thinks that we won't be allowed to play with her." That, of all the
mess, is what he understood most clearly: Someone's feelings were
getting hurt.
"You can play with her, but she has to agree to disagree. Now, would
you like to make brownies and take them over as a welcome-to-the-
neighborhood gift?" All the children nodded.
So we made brownies and took them over, and I met the mother and her
sexual partner. (We don't call them "the parents," nor can we refer to
the mother's "friend," which is likewise a misuse of the language, so
we generally call them by name.)
They were pleasant when I welcomed them to the neighborhood, although
they looked over my skirt, my lipstick, and my wedding ring with
faintly ironic expressions on their faces. (This is my usual
experience with homosexuals, both male and female-people with "gender
identity issues" amply populated the liberal arts graduate programs
from which I received my degrees.) "Quaint," I practically heard them
thinking.
That was several months ago. I haven't had much contact with the two
women since-they both work, and have long commutes. I have resisted
commenting on the bumper sticker on the car in their driveway, which
reads, "Narrow-minded people suck," sticking instead to cheerful,
neighborly greetings when we happen to be out getting our mail at the
same time, crossing the street only once or twice to ask whether they
had a good vacation, or whether the new puppy was working out well for
the girl.
I did, however, see something peculiar late one night when I went to
shut the front blinds. The living room light was on behind me, so I
was clearly visible through the window, and I was wearing a long,
feminine bathrobe-a peignoir, I suppose, though nothing I wear to cook
breakfast should be called by such a fancy name.
As I lowered the blind, my husband came up behind me and switched off
the light, and for a split second I saw, across the street, one of our
neighbors-the more deliberately masculine one, the one whose clothes,
hair, gestures, all proclaim that she has no intention of ever, in any
way, looking or seeming feminine.
She was standing in her yard, lit by her porch light, and she was
studying us. I only saw her for an instant as the blind fell, but I
saw her clearly, and the look on her face startled me-not because she
was "checking me out," for she wasn't. Her typical bright irony was,
for once, absent; she looked vulnerable, bemused, wistful, and she was
running a hand across her brutally cropped hair.
Never Too Young
We've seen quite of bit of the girl. We, after all, are usually home,
and her own house is usually empty when she comes home from school.
She doesn't often want to play, but she sits, sullen and silent, and
watches my children and the other neighborhood children. She doesn't
like to read, or to talk about books, but she listens to the other
kids discuss their interests.
Sometimes she talks my daughter into walking down the street to ask if
another girl their age-a "popular girl"-wants to come out and play.
Every time this happens I wince, knowing the "popular girl" will never
agree to play with this awkward child-or with my bookish daughter, for
that matter.
And she never does. My daughter shrugs off the refusals, taking each
excuse at face value. "There are plenty of other kids to play with,"
she tells the new girl, who nevertheless sulks and blames her lesbian
mother for perceived deficiencies in her social life.
She avoids a certain little boy who, when her puppy slipped his leash
to frolic with another dog, called the animals "queer." She obtained a
cell phone and stands in the driveway talking on it, trying to get my
younger son to talk to her friend-"who likes you because I told her
you were cute."
"I'm seven," he said. "You're never too young to have a girlfriend,"
she replied. "I mean, do you want people to think you're gay?"
Other than that, she has not brought up her mother's situation again.
I've been listening for it, remembering a remark the wife of one of
our church elders made: "My two girls were raised carefully, you know.
We taught them God's word, and took them to church, and they're good
girls, going to Christian colleges, doing summer mission work. But
when it comes to homosexuality, there was just too much pressure-at
school, you know, and on TV-to think the Bible is old-fashioned. Just
the sheer weight of opinion wore them down. So now they think
homosexual behavior is fine."
My husband, in his evening Bible studies with the children, has been
focusing on people who decided to make an exception for themselves in
obeying certain rules, either because they didn't understand why God
made such a rule, or simply because his law conflicted with their
desires. He has not been pounding away at homosexuality in particular;
we'd just as soon our kids forget it exists for now.
Innocence Grieved
They can't, of course. Our older son, blushing, said at supper one
night, uneasily, "I like Aaron. I really, really like Aaron. . . ."
Aaron is three years older, and has a pellet gun. Of course he likes
Aaron. But he's worried about it now-at nine years old, he's confused
about male friendships, about what he feels, about what people might
think.
We tried to reassure him, mostly by shrugging it off. "And anyway, you
don't want to hug and kiss him," our daughter pointed out.
"Yeah, but I don't want to hug and kiss girls, either."
"One day you will," my husband said. "But there's no rush about that.
In the meantime, don't worry about it. Boys like to hang out with
boys. It's fine."
It was with relief that we saw him, a few days later, do as he has
always done, taking his brother's hand as they ran across the field to
the playground.
So some of his innocence has been preserved, though a good bit of it
has gone for good. I grieve for that. And I grieve for the girl who
brought this unwelcome knowledge into his life, for "what chance," as
a Christian friend of mine said, "does she have?" She's not bright,
nor is she pretty; she's from a broken home, is living with lesbians,
is discontented, and "specializing," as she herself puts it, "in being
bored." She has a lot of strikes against her and, making matters
worse, is willing to embrace the role of victim.
I do the only thing I know to do: I pray. I ask God to guide my
children's thoughts and attitudes. I ask him to guide the new girl's
life. He is strong enough to work a miracle there, though it may be a
slow miracle, one I may never see.
I have, however, been allowed to see one small step. Recently a new
family moved in down the street, and the girl with the lesbian mom
suggested that my children go with her to meet them.
"You never know," she said hopefully. "They might be Christians, too."
Amanda Witt discusses Christianity, culture, and life as a
homeschooling mother at the weblog Wittingshire
(www.wittingshire.blogspot.com). She lives with her husband and three
children in Port Orchard, Washington.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In |
02 May 2007 02:29:04 PM |
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In article <1178029184.456392.26560@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> writes:
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=20-03-012-v
Distant Neighbors
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
According to Ms. Witt's religion, children are never
"innocent". Born bad, they are.
But keeping children ignorant when lesbians move in...that
one, it appears, is quite do-able.
-- cary
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| User: "Richard Herb" |
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| Title: Re: Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In |
02 May 2007 08:54:36 PM |
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If lesbians have low enough morals to try and have sex with each
other, whats to stop them from molesting children?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 May 2007 03:32:06 AM |
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"Richard Herb" <ViennaRules@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178157276.137211.123130@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
If lesbians have low enough morals to try and have sex with each
other, whats to stop them from molesting children?
If heteros have low enough morals to try and have sex with each other,
what's to stop them from molesting children?
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In |
03 May 2007 08:43:41 PM |
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On 2 May 2007 18:54:36 -0700 there was an Ancient Richard Herb
<ViennaRules@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
If lesbians have low enough morals to try and have sex with each
other, whats to stop them from molesting children?
OK, you're ignorant. We can deal with this.
Homosexuality is simply a divergence from the norm where a person is
sexually and emotionally attracted to members of the same sex. Other
common divergences of a sexual nature are bisexuality (being attracted
to both sexes) asexuality (not having any sexual feelings at all) and
pedophilia (be sexually attracted to prepubecent children.
Of all of these, only the last actually causes harm, since it involves
people unable to give informed consent.
A lesbian is about as likely to be interested in a child sexually as
you are probably interested in getting dirty with the starting lineup
on the New York Yankees.
These are facts.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Diogenes" |
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05 May 2007 01:31:13 AM |
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Richard Herb <ViennaRules@gmail.com> wrote in message
<1178157276.137211.123130@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
If lesbians have low enough morals to try and have sex with each
other, whats to stop them from molesting children?
If Christians have low enough morals to spread lies about lesbians, what's to
stop them from molesting children?
--
If I was in charge of the universe, St Jude's
Hospital for Children would not need to exist
Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.7.3303
[ Followup-To: alt.bible ]
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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05 May 2007 04:24:59 PM |
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On Sat, 5 May 2007 06:31:13 +0000 there was an Ancient "Diogenes"
<no@spam.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Richard Herb <ViennaRules@gmail.com> wrote in message
<1178157276.137211.123130@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
If lesbians have low enough morals to try and have sex with each
other, whats to stop them from molesting children?
If Christians have low enough morals to spread lies about lesbians, what's to
stop them from molesting children?
I think I scared Richard off by telling him I rode with Dykes on
Bykes.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Richard Herb" |
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12 May 2007 12:12:05 AM |
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If lesbians have low enough morals to try and have sex with each
other, whats to stop them from molesting children? or even trying to
teach the kids to be homosexual?
no one has answered that one yet...
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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02 May 2007 02:19:13 PM |
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In my observation, women become lesbians because they've been abused
by men. Women aren't nearly as interested in sex, in general, as men
are, anyway. So if they've been beaten up or raped by a family member
or boyfriend, they figure they might better hang out with women,
rather than men. Makes sense, really. I really don't think
lesbianism is hereditary. It seems to be a lifestyle choice based on
experience. So, I can't see how dealing with "lesbians" would
particularly affect children.
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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03 May 2007 06:09:06 PM |
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In article <1178133553.392358.75720@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Jerry
Kraus <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
In my observation, women become lesbians because they've been abused
by men. Women aren't nearly as interested in sex, in general, as men
are, anyway. So if they've been beaten up or raped by a family member
or boyfriend, they figure they might better hang out with women,
rather than men. Makes sense, really. I really don't think
lesbianism is hereditary. It seems to be a lifestyle choice based on
experience. So, I can't see how dealing with "lesbians" would
particularly affect children.
It's been a long time since I've read anything so wrong about
lesbianism. Every sentence, including the "makes sense" one, expresses
your absolute ignorance. Women "become" lesbians for a variety of
reasons, often including real love and not very often including the
reasons you mentioned. Most healthy women adore sex if it's done right
and with the right partner(s). Heterosexual women who've been "beaten
up or raped by a family member" almost always remain heterosexual but
may acquire other problems (arming themselves isn't one of them). What
you "think" about heredity and lesbianism is irrelevant, and likely to
be 100% wrong in view of your other statements. "Dealing with
'lesbians'" is a lot like dealing with any other "type" of persons.
They're just people. A very small percentage of them may even be as
stupid as you, but I find that to be extremely unlikely.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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03 May 2007 06:40:03 PM |
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On May 3, 6:09 pm, chibiabos <chibia...@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <1178133553.392358.75...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Jerry
Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In my observation, women become lesbians because they've been abused
by men. Women aren't nearly as interested in sex, in general, as men
are, anyway. So if they've been beaten up or raped by a family member
or boyfriend, they figure they might better hang out with women,
rather than men. Makes sense, really. I really don't think
lesbianism is hereditary. It seems to be a lifestyle choice based on
experience. So, I can't see how dealing with "lesbians" would
particularly affect children.
It's been a long time since I've read anything so wrong about
lesbianism. Every sentence, including the "makes sense" one, expresses
your absolute ignorance. Women "become" lesbians for a variety of
reasons, often including real love and not very often including the
reasons you mentioned. Most healthy women adore sex if it's done right
and with the right partner(s). Heterosexual women who've been "beaten
up or raped by a family member" almost always remain heterosexual but
may acquire other problems (arming themselves isn't one of them). What
you "think" about heredity and lesbianism is irrelevant, and likely to
be 100% wrong in view of your other statements. "Dealing with
'lesbians'" is a lot like dealing with any other "type" of persons.
They're just people. A very small percentage of them may even be as
stupid as you, but I find that to be extremely unlikely.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
You seem to be a congenitally outraged feminist. They react with
hostility to any and all statements made by men.
It is an obvious genetic fact that women have less biological need for
sex than men. Men can engender ten children a day, women can have
more or less one child a year. Therefore, biologically, it makes no
sense whatsoever for women to have sex all the time. Which doesn't
mean they don't like it, sometimes, a lot. Or want it, sometimes, a
lot. It just means their instincts don't program them for it to the
same extent that those of men do. Am I going too fast for you? If
women adore sex so much, why do men, in general, have to spend a
fortune on them and get them drunk to obtain it? I realize this
statement will traumatize you severely because, of course, it is
literally true.
I'm simply describing my general observations of lesbians. It's not a
scientific study. They've all told me they've been abused, all the
ones I've known, and I've known dozens over the years. They tended to
like me because they saw me as relatively unagressive sexually, as men
go. It seems to make sense that they would prefer the company of
women if they see men as threatening. Is that too subtle for you?
Or, do you simply resent men making any statements about women,
whatsoever?
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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05 May 2007 01:18:16 PM |
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In article <1178235603.180270.197340@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
On May 3, 6:09 pm, chibiabos <chibia...@nospam.com> wrote:
In article <1178133553.392358.75...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Jerry
Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In my observation, women become lesbians because they've been abused
by men. Women aren't nearly as interested in sex, in general, as men
are, anyway. So if they've been beaten up or raped by a family member
or boyfriend, they figure they might better hang out with women,
rather than men. Makes sense, really. I really don't think
lesbianism is hereditary. It seems to be a lifestyle choice based on
experience. So, I can't see how dealing with "lesbians" would
particularly affect children.
It's been a long time since I've read anything so wrong about
lesbianism. Every sentence, including the "makes sense" one, expresses
your absolute ignorance. Women "become" lesbians for a variety of
reasons, often including real love and not very often including the
reasons you mentioned. Most healthy women adore sex if it's done right
and with the right partner(s). Heterosexual women who've been "beaten
up or raped by a family member" almost always remain heterosexual but
may acquire other problems (arming themselves isn't one of them). What
you "think" about heredity and lesbianism is irrelevant, and likely to
be 100% wrong in view of your other statements. "Dealing with
'lesbians'" is a lot like dealing with any other "type" of persons.
They're just people. A very small percentage of them may even be as
stupid as you, but I find that to be extremely unlikely.
-chib
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Member of SMASH
Sarcastic Middle-Aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
You seem to be a congenitally outraged feminist. They react with
hostility to any and all statements made by men.
Yes, I'm a feminist. I am also a male. ***** me. I know you want to.
It is an obvious genetic fact that women have less biological need for
sex than men.
It's also "obvious" that the sun circles the Earth. It's also rather
obviously wrong.
Men can engender ten children a day, women can have
more or less one child a year. Therefore, biologically, it makes no
sense whatsoever for women to have sex all the time. Which doesn't
mean they don't like it, sometimes, a lot. Or want it, sometimes, a
lot. It just means their instincts don't program them for it to the
same extent that those of men do. Am I going too fast for you? If
women adore sex so much, why do men, in general, have to spend a
fortune on them and get them drunk to obtain it?
They don't. It's probably just you.
I realize this
statement will traumatize you severely because, of course, it is
literally true.
Wait. I'm still laughing about the use of the word, "literally."
I'm simply describing my general observations of lesbians. It's not a
scientific study.
Well now, there we have it, don't we? You admit you don't know what the
***** you're talking about. It's all coming out of your ***** by way of
O'Reilly-Limbaugh-Hannity-Weiner.
They've all told me they've been abused, all the
ones I've known, and I've known dozens over the years.
I doubt it.
But if it's true, when you asked them out, and they said, "No thanks,
I'm a lesbian," they probably weren't. It was just their way of letting
you down gently.
Jerry, I am married to the former director of a women's shelter in east
LA, who was herself abused as a young woman. I've forgotten more about
the abuse of women than you will ever learn, so don't pull the "I am
God's Gift to Women" schtick with me, you imbecilic loser.
They tended to
like me because they saw me as relatively unagressive sexually, as men
go. It seems to make sense that they would prefer the company of
women if they see men as threatening.
In general, abused women don't see all men as threats. In reality, they
tend to defend their abusers, and they go back to them time and time
and time again, until they wise up or until they end up dead or worse,
unless they get help or professional therapy. (This is, like your own
idiotic statements, a generalization. Every woman is different, and
every woman's situation is different. You absolutely CAN'T make
sweeping statements of any kind about them. But notice I said, "In
general." And so did you, above, but in your case it was the same as
saying, "All turtles have fur.")
In "general," lesbians are exactly like homosexual males. Their sexual
identity is determined by factors that we don't understand very well
yet, but are almost certainly NOT determined by sexual trauma. That's
just a folk myth promulgated by the uneducated or those (like you?)
with a social, religious or political agenda. How many men do you know
who were traumatized by women, becoming homosexual as a result (and
let's not get into the cocaine-addled Freud, okay)?
Is that too subtle for you?
Or, do you simply resent men making any statements about women,
whatsoever?
You can make all the statements about women you like. Just try to make
them reasonably accurate. When you're able to do that, we might
actually have a civil conversation. Until then, you'll be challenged.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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04 May 2007 04:09:06 AM |
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On 3 May 2007 16:40:03 -0700, Jerry Kraus
<jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> claimed:
If women adore sex so much, why do men, in general,
have to spend a fortune on them and get them drunk
to obtain it?
Because they're brought up to use it to manipulate men
and getting them drunk brings that barrier down?
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Pastor Dave
Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom.
not a guide, by which to live. - Robert Kennedy
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Just because you like what your sources say doesn't mean it's reality.
Why do you ALWAYS use right-wing/religious sources?
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
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Distant Neighbors
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Early one Saturday morning the doorbell rang. It was a young girl-
taller than I am, heavily built, but still a young girl. "Last night
we moved in across the street," she said. "And I've heard you have a
daughter my age. Can she come out to play?"
I called my eleven-year-old daughter, and she and one of our sons-the
seven-year-old-went out to meet the new neighbor. They played with her
all morning, building a fort and planning a club, and at lunchtime she
asked if she could eat with us, "because we don't have any food in the
house yet."
"Sure," I said, and made burritos. After lunch the kids went back out
to play some more, but within a few minutes my two came bursting back
in, looking bewildered and upset.
The seven-year-old had learned a new word. "Her mother is a lesbian!"
he announced.
Cats, Birds & Oaks
At his dramatic announcement all the kids began talking at once,
including my nine-year-old son, who had missed the whole interesting
episode and now was torn between sharing his recently acquired
knowledge of the birds and the bees, and obscuring said information
for the sake of his younger brother.
"Lesbians are like a cat trying to marry a bird," he said, then
immediately began arguing with himself. "Except a cat and a bird are
totally different, and lesbians are the same. So maybe they're more
like an oak tree trying to marry an oak tree."
His brother's eyes glazed over. Their sister, frustrated, began to
spell out, explicitly, the problem, which provoked the older boy into
covering the younger boy's ears, which resulted, inevitably, in a
wrestling match.
Desperately I called a halt to the racket and, appointing each child
to speak in turn, pieced together what had happened. The conversation
seems to have gone something like this:
Neighbor girl: "Do you think being a lesbian is okay?"
My daughter: "No."
My son: "What's a lesbian?"
Neighbor girl: "You know, like, gay."
"What's gay?"
"Oh, you know. Like two men getting married, or two women getting
married."
Not Okay
My son's eyes were big as he repeated this to me. He had not yet had
"the talk," but he knew marriage was about a man and a woman. "I told
her she had to be confused," he said. "Isn't she confused?"
The new girl had waved off his protest. "I'm not confused," she said.
"Sometimes women marry women."
"But babies have to have a mommy and a daddy-"
"Well, duh. I have a Dad. He just doesn't live with us anymore. That
happens sometimes, okay? It just happens. Women marry women. Or they
would, if the government would let them. And"-turning back to my
daughter-"you don't think that's okay?"
My daughter, calmly: "No."
"Why not?"
"Because the Bible says it's not."
"No, it doesn't."
"Yes, it really does. Would you like me to show you?"
Neighbor girl: "No. It doesn't matter, because God probably doesn't
even exist. Or even if he does, there's no such thing as heaven and
hell, and anyway religion bores me. Don't you think it's boring?"
"No."
"Whatever. But here's the thing: I know some lesbians. I know them
really well. Really, really, really well."
"I bet I can guess," said my seven-year-old, relieved that the
conversation was moving away from her anti-religious sentiments.
Neighbor girl: "It's not me! It is so not me. Gross! Not me, not
ever."
My son nodded in the direction of the house across the street, where
two women were shifting around furniture and boxes in the garage. "I
was going to guess your mom," he said.
"That's right," the girl said despondently. "She's a lesbian. But I am
not a lesbian. No way. But listen-don't tell your Mom until tonight,
okay?"
"Why not?"
"Because then she won't be able to go yell at my Mom until tomorrow,
so we can be friends for the rest of today."
My kids looked at each other. Here, finally, was a topic my son
completely understood.
"Um, listen," he said to the new girl. "I don't know much about
lesbians, but I know my mother. She is not going to go yell at your
mother."
"But she won't let us be friends."
"Why not? The girl who used to live in your house-her parents were
divorced, and divorce isn't a good thing, either, but we were friends
with her anyway. And my mother was friends with her mother."
"It isn't the same thing. Everybody gets divorced-I mean, like duh, my
parents are divorced. It's not a big deal. But nobody likes lesbians."
We live, mind you, in the left-leaning, religion-shunning Pacific
Northwest.
Then the girl began to cry. "Goodbye," she said. "Nice knowing you.
Have a good life." My children came home, bewildered and upset.
Still Friends
" Of course you can be friends," I said. "But you'll have to agree to
disagree about this. Tell her you can be friends, but she cannot keep
trying to persuade you that her mother's behavior is acceptable." They
nodded.
"She's really upset," my son said, tears welling up in his eyes. "She
thinks that we won't be allowed to play with her." That, of all the
mess, is what he understood most clearly: Someone's feelings were
getting hurt.
"You can play with her, but she has to agree to disagree. Now, would
you like to make brownies and take them over as a welcome-to-the-
neighborhood gift?" All the children nodded.
So we made brownies and took them over, and I met the mother and her
sexual partner. (We don't call them "the parents," nor can we refer to
the mother's "friend," which is likewise a misuse of the language, so
we generally call them by name.)
They were pleasant when I welcomed them to the neighborhood, although
they looked over my skirt, my lipstick, and my wedding ring with
faintly ironic expressions on their faces. (This is my usual
experience with homosexuals, both male and female-people with "gender
identity issues" amply populated the liberal arts graduate programs
from which I received my degrees.) "Quaint," I practically heard them
thinking.
That was several months ago. I haven't had much contact with the two
women since-they both work, and have long commutes. I have resisted
commenting on the bumper sticker on the car in their driveway, which
reads, "Narrow-minded people suck," sticking instead to cheerful,
neighborly greetings when we happen to be out getting our mail at the
same time, crossing the street only once or twice to ask whether they
had a good vacation, or whether the new puppy was working out well for
the girl.
I did, however, see something peculiar late one night when I went to
shut the front blinds. The living room light was on behind me, so I
was clearly visible through the window, and I was wearing a long,
feminine bathrobe-a peignoir, I suppose, though nothing I wear to cook
breakfast should be called by such a fancy name.
As I lowered the blind, my husband came up behind me and switched off
the light, and for a split second I saw, across the street, one of our
neighbors-the more deliberately masculine one, the one whose clothes,
hair, gestures, all proclaim that she has no intention of ever, in any
way, looking or seeming feminine.
She was standing in her yard, lit by her porch light, and she was
studying us. I only saw her for an instant as the blind fell, but I
saw her clearly, and the look on her face startled me-not because she
was "checking me out," for she wasn't. Her typical bright irony was,
for once, absent; she looked vulnerable, bemused, wistful, and she was
running a hand across her brutally cropped hair.
Never Too Young
We've seen quite of bit of the girl. We, after all, are usually home,
and her own house is usually empty when she comes home from school.
She doesn't often want to play, but she sits, sullen and silent, and
watches my children and the other neighborhood children. She doesn't
like to read, or to talk about books, but she listens to the other
kids discuss their interests.
Sometimes she talks my daughter into walking down the street to ask if
another girl their age-a "popular girl"-wants to come out and play.
Every time this happens I wince, knowing the "popular girl" will never
agree to play with this awkward child-or with my bookish daughter, for
that matter.
And she never does. My daughter shrugs off the refusals, taking each
excuse at face value. "There are plenty of other kids to play with,"
she tells the new girl, who nevertheless sulks and blames her lesbian
mother for perceived deficiencies in her social life.
She avoids a certain little boy who, when her puppy slipped his leash
to frolic with another dog, called the animals "queer." She obtained a
cell phone and stands in the driveway talking on it, trying to get my
younger son to talk to her friend-"who likes you because I told her
you were cute."
"I'm seven," he said. "You're never too young to have a girlfriend,"
she replied. "I mean, do you want people to think you're gay?"
Other than that, she has not brought up her mother's situation again.
I've been listening for it, remembering a remark the wife of one of
our church elders made: "My two girls were raised carefully, you know.
We taught them God's word, and took them to church, and they're good
girls, going to Christian colleges, doing summer mission work. But
when it comes to homosexuality, there was just too much pressure-at
school, you know, and on TV-to think the Bible is old-fashioned. Just
the sheer weight of opinion wore them down. So now they think
homosexual behavior is fine."
My husband, in his evening Bible studies with the children, has been
focusing on people who decided to make an exception for themselves in
obeying certain rules, either because they didn't understand why God
made such a rule, or simply because his law conflicted with their
desires. He has not been pounding away at homosexuality in particular;
we'd just as soon our kids forget it exists for now.
Innocence Grieved
They can't, of course. Our older son, blushing, said at supper one
night, uneasily, "I like Aaron. I really, really like Aaron. . . ."
Aaron is three years older, and has a pellet gun. Of course he likes
Aaron. But he's worried about it now-at nine years old, he's confused
about male friendships, about what he feels, about what people might
think.
We tried to reassure him, mostly by shrugging it off. "And anyway, you
don't want to hug and kiss him," our daughter pointed out.
"Yeah, but I don't want to hug and kiss girls, either."
"One day you will," my husband said. "But there's no rush about that.
In the meantime, don't worry about it. Boys like to hang out with
boys. It's fine."
It was with relief that we saw him, a few days later, do as he has
always done, taking his brother's hand as they ran across the field to
the playground.
So some of his innocence has been preserved, though a good bit of it
has gone for good. I grieve for that. And I grieve for the girl who
brought this unwelcome knowledge into his life, for "what chance," as
a Christian friend of mine said, "does she have?" She's not bright,
nor is she pretty; she's from a broken home, is living with lesbians,
is discontented, and "specializing," as she herself puts it, "in being
bored." She has a lot of strikes against her and, making matters
worse, is willing to embrace the role of victim.
I do the only thing I know to do: I pray. I ask God to guide my
children's thoughts and attitudes. I ask him to guide the new girl's
life. He is strong enough to work a miracle there, though it may be a
slow miracle, one I may never see.
I have, however, been allowed to see one small step. Recently a new
family moved in down the street, and the girl with the lesbian mom
suggested that my children go with her to meet them.
"You never know," she said hopefully. "They might be Christians, too."
Amanda Witt discusses Christianity, culture, and life as a
homeschooling mother at the weblog Wittingshire
(www.wittingshire.blogspot.com). She lives with her husband and three
children in Port Orchard, Washington.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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01 May 2007 07:58:12 PM |
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On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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01 May 2007 08:22:43 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Where can I find information on keeping children safe when biblethumpers,
holyrollers, and christians move in??
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| User: "Roger" |
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02 May 2007 07:19:54 AM |
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"Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message
news:f18p87023k6@news4.newsguy.com...
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:teof33hlp8iadng0qc6uiv2at2ouq0uoli@4ax.com...
On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Where can I find information on keeping children safe when biblethumpers,
holyrollers, and christians move in??
In the same book that tells you how to win a civil war when you're an
outsider.
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02 May 2007 07:32:04 AM |
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On Tue, 1 May 2007 21:22:43 -0400 there was an Ancient "Joe S."
<noname@nosuch.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Where can I find information on keeping children safe when biblethumpers,
holyrollers, and christians move in??
http://www.smith-wesson.com
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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02 May 2007 10:37:56 AM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> writes:
On Tue, 1 May 2007 21:22:43 -0400 there was an Ancient "Joe S."
<noname@nosuch.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Where can I find information on keeping children safe when biblethumpers,
holyrollers, and christians move in??
http://www.smith-wesson.com
H&K (www.hk-usa.com) has better products. Also a bigger pricetag, but
you get what you pay for...
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The future has not been written. There is no fate but what we make
for ourselves. --Terminator 2
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| User: "bob&carole" |
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03 May 2007 06:42:45 PM |
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On May 1, 9:22=EF=BF=BDpm, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote:
"Douglas Berry" <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On =A01 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Where can I find information on keeping children safe when biblethumpers,
holyrollers, and christians move in??
Why don't you just move? The good Christians will protect
the children from bad influences like you.
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| User: "Diogenes" |
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03 May 2007 10:58:09 AM |
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bob&carole <bobandcarole01@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<1178235765.646376.205690@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
Why don't you just move? The good Christians will protect
the children from bad influences like you.
The Christians ARE the bad influences.
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If I was in charge of the universe, St Jude's
Hospital for Children would not need to exist
Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.7.3302
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| User: "Richard Herb" |
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04 May 2007 01:11:42 PM |
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On May 3, 11:58 am, "Diogenes" <n...@spam.com> wrote:
bob&carole <bobandcarol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<1178235765.646376.205...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
Why don't you just move? The good Christians will protect
the children from bad influences like you.
the homos will move, not us, we were here first
The Christians ARE the bad influences.
this, from a satan worshipper
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| User: "Joe S." |
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03 May 2007 03:40:30 AM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:teof33hlp8iadng0qc6uiv2at2ouq0uoli@4ax.com...
On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
Nothing about:
Keeping Children Innocent When Holyroller Pedophiles Move In
Keeping Children Innocent When Biblethumper Pedophiles Move In
Keeping Children Innocent When Dennis Foley Moves In
Keeping Children Innocent When Repblican Pedophiles Move In
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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02 May 2007 01:50:50 AM |
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On May 1, 8:58 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
yeah, Jews, Blacks and Mexicans are totally cool with me.
It's homosexuals and pedophilesI have a problem with!
Big difference
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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02 May 2007 07:42:43 AM |
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On 1 May 2007 23:50:50 -0700 there was an Ancient Richard Herb
<ViennaRules@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On May 1, 8:58 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
yeah, Jews, Blacks and Mexicans are totally cool with me.
It's homosexuals and pedophilesI have a problem with!
Big difference
As the point goes wooshing right over your head.
This entire essay was a monument to bigotry. Rather than actually
meet and see what the new neighbors are like, reinforce streotypes and
teach fear and hatred.
People like you are the reason towns used to have laws prohibiting
home sales to blacks, or Irish, or whoever the hated group du jour
was.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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02 May 2007 01:42:59 PM |
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On May 2, 8:42 am, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 1 May 2007 23:50:50 -0700 there was an Ancient Richard Herb
<ViennaRu...@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
On May 1, 8:58 pm, Douglas Berry <penguin_...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com>
wrote:
On 1 May 2007 07:19:44 -0700 there was an Ancient Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrum...@emailaccount.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Jews Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Blacks Move In
Amanda Witt on Keeping Children Innocent When Mexicans Move In
See any difference?
yeah, Jews, Blacks and Mexicans are totally cool with me.
It's homosexuals and pedophilesI have a problem with!
Big difference
As the point goes wooshing right over your head.
This entire essay was a monument to bigotry. Rather than actually
meet and see what the new neighbors are like, reinforce streotypes and
teach fear and hatred.
I dont see ONE mention of hatred in here.
she is trying to protect her kids, and show the pain that children of
immoral parents have to deal with.
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02 May 2007 08:57:56 PM |
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<ViennaRules@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
I dont see ONE mention of hatred in here.
she is trying to protect her kids, and show the pain that children of
immoral parents have to deal with.
Calling someone immoral is hatred.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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03 May 2007 01:09:36 AM |
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calling someone immoral is NOT hatred.
I dont hate anyone, except for that Osama
cmon, you are saying a woman, attempting to have sex with another
woman , isnt immoral?!
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03 May 2007 08:48:48 PM |
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On 2 May 2007 23:09:36 -0700 there was an Ancient Richard Herb
<ViennaRules@gmail.com> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
calling someone immoral is NOT hatred.
I dont hate anyone, except for that Osama
Politically ignorant too. I guess the rest of al-Qaeda's world-wide
network of operatives and financial backers are just OK with you?
cmon, you are saying a woman, attempting to have sex with another
woman , isnt immoral?!
As long as both are able to give consent and are interested, no. It's
like any other sexual act.. wonderful, fun, and the business of the
people involved.
Just in the interest of full disclosure, I've ridden on the back of a
Harley operated by a lovely woman known as "Daddy BJ" as part of
"Dykes on Bikes" in the San Francisco Gay, Lesbian, Bi, and
Transgender Pride Parade. I was wearing a t-shirt that read "Nobody
Knows I'm A Lesbian."
I know these people. I work with them, have lived with them, laughed
with them, cried with them, and been there when some have left this
life.
I like gay people more than I like bigots like you.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Richard Herb" |
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| Title: Re: Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In |
19 May 2007 08:59:33 PM |
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I like gay people more than I like bigots like you.
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You wouldnt like them so much if you knew of the horrible atrocities
that they have commited.
molesting young boys, and ruining their lives forever. the child grows
up to be a homosexual himself.
the horror of having a mans penis in your memories for life, isnt
something any boy/man should have to live with.
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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| Title: Re: Keeping Children Innocent When Lesbians Move In |
19 May 2007 09:19:20 PM |
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In News 1179626373.481574.61650@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,, Richard Herb
at ViennaRules@gmail.com, typed this:
I like gay people more than I like bigots like you.
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You wouldnt like them so much if you knew of the horrible atrocities
that they have commited.
molesting young boys, and ruining their lives forever. the child grows
up to be a homosexual himself.
Debunked *****.
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