On 13 Aug 2006 20:54:45 -0700,
Robert B. Winn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton -- Help to make the USA Bigotry-FREE! wrote:

Robert B. Winn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton -- Help to make the USA Bigotry-FREE! wrote:

RESOURCE POST. It will be refreshed periodically in these
relevant groups. (Originally written, in
the form below, on 7/7/05.)

UPDATE: The foiled plot of MINI-terrorists to blow up 10
airliners over the mid-Atlantic happened days ago,
as of this refreshing of the post, below. You'll see
why they, TOO, qualify only to be called "MINI"-
terrorists as you read the post.

Keystone Kops "terrorists" are a JOKE!
**Real** terrorists may very well not even EXIST.

Who knows what group of klowns has caused it, but compared
to *real* terrorists -- which seem more and more to be nonexistent
bogeymen -- some inept terrorist wanna-bes have managed to
fleetingly (as in, or only one day, in that resilient city) disrupt London
on 7/7/05 by killing and injuring a handful of people in the city's
transportation system.

Yes -- I did say "handful.," because compared to what some
slightly more serious terrorists did in Madrid, Spain, 911 days after
"9/11," the London attacks comprised a tempest in a teapot.

And even Madrid was NOTHING compared to what **real**
terrorists could accomplish -- IF they were serious. Or even really
existed. Which they very well may not. We'll call those hypothetical
terrorists, "MAXI-Terrorists," vis-a-vis the "MINI-Terrorists" that are
all that the world has experienced to date.

REAL terrorists would be playing out such scenarios as dumping
anthrax from the tops of skyscrapers... spreading smallpox via aerosol
spray in busy world airports... perhaps playing out a scenario like the
"Santa Ana Firestorm" one (described below) that I speculated on
a month after 9/11, and which Hal Lindsey apparently saw and then
related in his TBN TV broadcast... or setting off a smuggled A-Bomb
or H-Bomb in a major city.

Today's ACTUAL would-be terrorists -- the MINI-Terrorists -- are
nothing but a sick JOKE!

NOT, of course, to that handful of victims of their vicious, criminal,
and unconscionable acts in London, this morning, or to their families
and friends. And of course, just as happened after 9/11 and Madrid,
our hearts go out to them. ONE person killed or injured in so pointless
and despicable a manner is one too many.

But *Israelis* today, while no doubt also feeling that way about this,
probably also are going "Ho-hum," as they recall the worse such very
prolonged siege that has played out almost routinely in their nation for
years. And things are worse *yet* in the Iraq-That-Bush-Made.

As this is written (on 7/8/05), we don't know who is responsible for
these loathsome attacks in London. But we will learn. And then it's
most important that overreaction in the form of nonsensical "Patriot
Acts," etc., which deprive NON-terrorists of legitimate rights, NOT be
allowed to erode any free nation's liberties.

MAXI-Terrorist Scenario #1
"The Santa Ana Winds-Propelled Firestorm"

This idea goes back to something I saw in "LIFE" Magazine in,
I think, 1953. We'd just exploded our first H-Bomb in the Pacific,
designated, "Operation Ivy." And the magazine was FILLED with
color and B&W photos of the fireball, mushroom cloud, etc. And
ONE sequence of photos that was unforgettable, even though it
showed nothing of the bomb.

It described how a city could quickly be engulfed in firestorm as
a result of an airburst nuclear bomb setting fires all over the city.

It was illustrated by a model in which (I'm guessing, since
I remember the photos, but not clearly enough to have the actual
count) somewhere between 2,500 and 10,000 birthday cake
candles had been mounted on a board in a square matrix that
probably was either 50 x 50 or 100 x100. The candles were
close enough together that if one were to be ignited, the radiant
heats from its flame would ignite the ADJACENT ones.

In the next photo, perhaps 50 or so of those candles had been
lit, all over the field, but the flames had not yet spread. This was
to simulate the many fires that had been ignited during the thermal
pulse from the aerial burst of the H-Bomb.

In the third photo, as I recall, several large conflagrations
were in progress, across the field.

The LAST photo was the STARTLING one. It showed that ALL
the fires had MERGED, and now were blazing in a HUGE, single fire,
which reached perhaps 2-3 feet, or more, high, resembling the sort of
fire that one sees at pre-football-game bonfires. But remember THIS:
That photo was showing the fire that resulted in such a scenario
using mere BIRTHDAY CAKE candles, each of which were perhaps
only an inch or so high.

This was a MODEL. A SIMULATION of a firestorm that could turn
a city into -- NOT a mere conflagration (which is what the Chicago
Fire was, merely blazing across the city in a single front) -- a SINGLE,
incomprehensibly-HUGE funeral pyre!

Now here's the scary part: It would NOT take a nuclear blast to
produce an IDENTICAL scenario in an actual city.

ALL it would take is for MANY fires to be set, SIMULTANEOUSLY,
at vulnerable spots throughout any large city.

Let's use the L.A. Basin as an example. (But it could JUST as
easily be done in other cities, such as San Diego, given the same
weather conditions.)

(1) A group of as few as perhaps 8 or 10, or even as many
as 18 or 20 or more terrorists has devised a plan, and
they have constructed very SIMPLE incendiary devices
attached to timers. (Any high school kid could devise
such an item.) Each of these could conceivably be as
small in size as a cigarette lighter. Each terrorist has
pre-picked say, 20 targets, each reachable within a given
radius from his own location. Let's say that one of them
has his pre-arranged sites within Ontario. Another works
San Fernando. Another in Carson. Another in Long Beach.
And others in San Bernardino, Riverside, Covina, Norwalk,
Inglewood, Orange, Anaheim, Pasadena, Los Angeles,
Hollywood, Torrance, Simi Valley, Whittier, and Thousand
Oaks.

(2) This done, they simply watch the Weather Channel for
the first prediction of significant Santa Ana winds for the
L.A. Basin. (Santa Ana winds are hot, VERY dry, dessi-
cating winds that whip into and across the basin several
times a year, blowing westbound out of the Mojave
Desert. When the very WORST of southern California's
fires have taken place, historically, they have been
borne upon, and supported by, Santa Ana winds. The
extreme low humidity that prevails causes these fires,
in the process of being whipped and driven by winds
exceeding 50 mph, to get out of control VERY quickly.

(3) By simply "phone-tree" calls, or coded e-mails, the
leader of the cell gives everyone the "Go!" code, for
the next morning.

(4) The cell has a MAJOR advantage: Southern California
is extremely diverse, racially and ethnically. Thus, the
terrorists blend in VERY well, no matter where they go.
By pre-arrangement, in accordance with where the
targets are, they deploy themselves dressed in anything
from T-shirts & blue jeans to business suits, as appro-
priate. Some carrying a baseball ball, glove, and
bat, perhaps. (People would think NOTHING of a
young guy like that cutting across a grassy field on foot,
presumably on his way to join some friends in a game.
And they begin to innocuously plant their tiny devices
in wooded and brushy areas throughout their areas.
All set for the very SAME time. Which in this scenario,
is 3:00 p.m. -- a time when the winds are typically
blowing at their strongest. And for one OTHER reason.

July 8, 2005 UPDATE ---

In London, the Mini-Terrorists employed cell phones
to trigger the blasts. In my original scenario, I had ITS
Maxi-Terrorists using timers, set to go off simultaneous-
ly. The Maxi-Terrorists in this scenario probably could
rig small cell phones to accomplish the simultaneous
detonations. (When Hal Lindsey speculated on this
scenario, he also suggested that miniature *timers*
could be employed.)

(5) Zero hour comes. The terrorists are long gone.
No suicide even necessary for THIS mission. (Any
more than there apparently was in London.) They've
simply gotten into their pre-positioned cars and left.
There probably wouldn't be a trace left of whatever
they chose to leave behind, and thus, no one
might EVER figure out who they were.

In short -- wherever they went, they're still at large,
after this event, and still an organized unit. Simultan-
eously, the devices -- perhaps 400 of them in all,
simply IGNITE the brush or grass in which they've
been placed.

July 8, 2005 UPDATE ---

One may wonder what would keep a casual observer
from noticing one or more of the Maxi-Terrorists from
bending down to place a device, and then, being
suspicious, going over there a couple of minutes later
to check things out. So I'll remind everyone of the
way that the tunnelling prisoners in "The Great
Escape" disposed of the dirt, right under the noses
of their Nazi guards, without being detected. In this
scenario, each device could be suspended on
strings within pant-legs, and dropped unnoticed,
literally in-stride.

And the tinder LITERALLY explodes into
400 raging, wind-whipped wildfires -- ALL OVER
the entire L.A. Basin, from Redlands to Irvine...
Santa Clarita to Long Beach to Garden Grove.

Within 10 minutes, all the fires services of southern
California are totally overwhelmed by a job they can't
even BEGIN to cope with.

(6) 3:30 p.m. -- Hundreds of raging conflagrations are
spreading on Santa Ana winds, westbound, and they
begin to merge. By now, the enormous fires not only
are unstoppable, but have effectively BLOCKED the
attempted exodus from the basis of almost ALL of
its totally-panicked 8 million people.

(7) 5:15 p.m. -- The entire basin is in firestorm. The
Santa Ana winds are of no consequence at all by
this time, as the funeral pyre for 8 million people
is 2 miles high, and clearly visible in the waning
daylight, from Las Vegas. The wind is now howling
into the immense inferno, which itself would be
deafeningly-loud, but for the lack of any nearby
ears to hear it, from all directions, feeding oxygen
to the flames at an almost inconceivable 150-200
miles per hour. From the Space Shuttle, the
entire Los Angeles Basin appears as a very BRIGHT
bonfire, 60-70 miles in diameter.

(8) Up in Bakersfield, Fresno, Visalia, Modesto, and
Merced, the terrorists are in motel rooms popping
champagne corks, and watching it all on CNN. (And
they never even needed a nuclear device!)

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

THIS scenario would be SO simple to pull off, that even
the half-baked, Keystone Kops terrorists (today's MINI-Terror-
ists)who seem only to be able to steer airplanes already in flight,
and mail some anthrax through the mail, could EASILY do it.
Therefore, I think that it would be a VERY valuable prevent-
ative action for California firefighters to take THESE steps
(along with any others they can think of) to HEAD OFF such
a scenario.

(A) Establish SPOTTERS from high locations throughout
the urban areas of Southern and Central California, from
which fires could IMMEDIATELY be sighted and report-
ed to appropriate HQ locations. JUST as already exist
in the form of fire towers in the forested mountains. This
probably would require BUILDING such fire towers in
areas where there are no buildings of sufficient height
to provide the necessary range of visibility.

(B) Establish protocols which could ENABLE appropriate
apparatus to be dispatched rapidly enough to multiple
fires that could crop up simultaneously.

(C) Have fire-retardant-dispensing aircraft already loaded
and ready to fly, at a moment's notice, from ALL avail-
able military and civilian airfields and private airstrips
and helipads.

(D) Implement these steps ASAP, because at this time of
year, hot Santa Ana winds could whip up almost anytime.

Even though the terrorists appear to be DOLTS (as evidenced
by their apparent inability to accomplish any sort of MASS damage,
despite their apparent dedication, the above scenario almost surely
occurs to them whenever significant wind-whipped fires occur
in California. There are always a handful of crazy arsonists who
either start such fires, or act as copycats once those conditions
exist. Now that the terrorists are at war with us (inept as the Mini-
Terrorists are), they'd probably figure THIS out in short order. And
then our BEST defense would be such preventative measures
as I listed above... and doubtlessly many more that I HAVEN'T
thought of.

Here in these newsgroups, we participants can probably come
up with many OTHER scenarios to fulfill the military's request for
ideas. I encourage you to do with them as I am doing, and
simultaneously e-mail your concepts to Secretary of Defense
Donald H. Rumsfeld at:

http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/comment.html

Your concept can be entered on a form provided on that page,
and e-mailed directly from that website.

Meanwhile, others in these Usenet groups can consider these
concepts, and expand on the possibilities, in a HUGE electronic
"brainstorming" session on-line.

Forewarned is forearmed, in such a war as this.

Unfortunately, though, thanks to our Congress, we ALSO
have been forewarned against overreacting out of paranoia, as
we saw happen in the case of the perfidious (and probably
UN-Constitutional on *many* levels. It NEEDS a good strong
Constitutional challenge to be launched at it, and taken to the
U.S. Supreme Court, on its more extreme provisions. So far,
those capable of challenging it seem to have been too GUT-
LESS to do it -- unfortunately.

Well, terrorists have a problem of logistics. If they are going for a
big score like the World Trade Center twin towers, they have to
consider an non-war offensive against them on the scale of what
happened in Afghanistan, where their entire governmental infrastructure
was displaced, because although Congress did not declare war, they
gave the President enough power to make it look like a war for a while.
At the present time they get more mileage out of keystone cops groups
because it keeps them in the news without actually doing anything while
they decide how to go after another big score after spreading the
United States military thin so they cannot do another Afghanistan.

Interesting theory/analysis. And it makes sense.

(I wish all your response were more like this one.
It'd be worthwhile talking to you, in that event.)

You are too prejudiced against right to [bigotry] people
to be rational,

There's no such thing as being "prejudiced" against bigotry. ALL
bigotry that seeks to deprive any person or group of his/her/their
personal liberties is irrational, hateful, ignorant, sociopathic, and
utterly DEVOID of any redeeming social value whatsoever.

Anti-Choicers/RRR Cultists/homophobes and their agendas are
lower than sewer rat turds in civilized and sensible society.

Freedom of choice extends to people who want to
stop abortion also.

ROTFL!!!! Talk about irrational? You have reverted to that
which is normal, for you: proving to everyone that you really
DON'T have much of a working brain.


-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.