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21 Dec 2006 04:08:42 PM |
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LET'S LEAVE AND COME BACK AFTER THE NASTIES! |
Jesus is coming, so I am getting out of here, If you believe in Him you
have nothing to fear. The rapture I have outlined for it was my only
job, now it is time to get busy don't worry or sob.
We will leave many people, only for a few years, then we will come back
to a world full of cheers!
Jesus keeps His promises, unlike most of you, so here is your last
chance, here is what you should do.
Read Revelations, the part where we leave and follow my riddles and you
might for once believe!
Gabriel
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| User: "Opie" |
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21 Dec 2006 04:29:38 PM |
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On 21 Dec 2006 14:08:42 -0800, "Heraldo" <gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jesus is coming, so I am getting out of here, If you believe in Him you
have nothing to fear. The rapture I have outlined for it was my only
job, now it is time to get busy don't worry or sob.
We will leave many people, only for a few years, then we will come back
to a world full of cheers!
Jesus keeps His promises, unlike most of you, so here is your last
chance, here is what you should do.
Read Revelations, the part where we leave and follow my riddles and you
might for once believe!
Gabriel
Why would anybody read a discredited book and take it as truth?
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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21 Dec 2006 04:38:17 PM |
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"Opie" <OTaylor@MayberryRFD.net> wrote in message news:ol2mo2dpa2lq7d8t8q2f7fitb1o05ohh8c@4ax.com...
On 21 Dec 2006 14:08:42 -0800, "Heraldo" <gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Jesus is coming, so I am getting out of here, If you believe in Him you
have nothing to fear. The rapture I have outlined for it was my only
job, now it is time to get busy don't worry or sob.
We will leave many people, only for a few years, then we will come back
to a world full of cheers!
Jesus keeps His promises, unlike most of you, so here is your last
chance, here is what you should do.
Read Revelations, the part where we leave and follow my riddles and you
might for once believe!
Gabriel
Why would anybody read a discredited book and take it as truth? <== N OT TRUE!
7 Signs of Christ's Return
Biblical prophecy can provide fascinating insights into the future.
Scriptures foretell of seven momentous world events that will herald
the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. One has already occurred: the
establishment of the State of Israel and its continuing claim on Palestine.
Six other signs are also dramatically depicted, including one that is taking
place now: The Unification of Europe, which it is prophesied will be
followed by the rise of the Antichrist. The question is: At what hour
are we on the clock of history The countdown continues.
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Those Who Died in Christ
13 But awe do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who bare asleep,
so that you will not grieve as do cthe rest who have dno hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, aeven so
God will bring with Him bthose who have fallen asleep 1in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you aby the word of the Lord, that bwe
who are alive and remain until cthe coming of the Lord, will not
precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord aHimself bwill descend from heaven with a cshout,
with the voice of dthe archangel and with the etrumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then awe who are alive 1and remain will be bcaught up together with them
in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (1 Th 4:13-18). LaHabra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.
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Jesus said we cannot know the date of His return (Matt. 24:36). But
the signs we are told to look for make it possible for believers to know the
season of the Lord's return Paul makes it clear in
1 Thessalonians 5:2, 4-6
where he says, "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh
as a thief in the night. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day
should overtake you as thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children
of the day:we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep,
as do others; but let us watch and be sober."
There are many more
signs about Christ's second coming than His first because God knew that untold
millions would be reading His Word long after the first advent; therefore, He
wanted information regarding Christ's return to encourage multitudes to repent
and trust in the name of Jesus (see 2 Pet. 3:9). Jesus said that when we
see the signs being fulfilled, we can "know that it [His second coming] is near,
even at the doors"
(Matt. 24:33). Below is a comprehensive list of some of these signs.
Signs of Nature (Matt. 24:7): famine, earthquakes, plagues, signs in the heavens.
Signs of Society (2 Tim. 3:1-4): lawlessness, violence, immorality, greed,
selfishness, hedonism, rebellion, despair.
Negative Spiritual Signs: false Christs and prophets and
their cultic groups (Matt. 24:24), apostasy and widespread heresy in the
church (2 Tim. 3:5' 4:1-4),< religious and economic globalism
(Rev. 17-18), persecution of believers (Matt. 24:9-10; Mark 13:9, 11-13; Luke
21:12-19), > outbreak of demonic and occult activity (1 Tim. 4:1).
Positive Spiritual Signs: outpouring of the Holy Spirit
(Joel 2:28-29), revival of Davidic style worship (Amos 9:11),
worldwide evangelism (Mark 13:10), understanding of Bible Prophecy
(Dan. 12:4, 8-9).
World Political Signs: Arab hostility toward
Israel (Ezek. 35:1-36:70), military powers to the "far north" (perhaps
Russia) threatening Israel (Ezek. 38:1-39:16), Asian nations capable of
fielding an army of two hundred million (Rev. 9:15-16; 16:12), wars and
rumors of wars (Matt. 24:6-7; Mark 13:7-8; Luke 21:10), reunification of
Europe (Dan. 2:41-44; 7:8. 24-25; 9:26).
The Accelerator Signs: population explosion (Rev. 9:15-16), increase in knowledge
(Dan. 12:4), increase violence (Matt. 24:12).
Signs of Israel: regathering of the people (Isa. 11:10-12; Ezek. 37:1-12),
re-establishment of the state (Zech. 12:6), re-occupation of Jerusalem
(Zech. 12:2-6)
The signs of Israel are more important than all
the rest put together, for the Jews are God's prophetic time clock. Jesus
himself states in Luke 21:24 that we are to watch Jerusalem, and that
when we see city no longer under Gentile domination, we will know that the time
has come for Him to return. All of these signs point to the beginning of the
Tribulation and the second coming of Jesus. However, when we see the signs, we
can be sure that Rapture is imminent, for it will occur before the Tribulation
begins.
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The timing of the Rapture is unknown. Paul writes in his letter to the Thessalonian church:
(1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 NASB)
The Day of the Lord
1 Now as to the atimes and the epochs, brethren, you bhave no need of anything to be written to you.
2 For you yourselves know full well that athe day of the Lord 1will come bjust like a thief in the night.
3 While they are saying, "aPeace and safety!" then 1bdestruction 2will come upon them suddenly like clabor pains upon a
woman with child, and they will not escape.
4 But you, brethren, are not in adarkness, that the day would overtake you 1blike a thief;
5 for you are all asons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of bdarkness;
6 so then let us not asleep as 1bothers do, but let us be alert and 2csober.
In the previous chapter, Paul was comforting those in the Thessalonian church who feared that those who are dead in Christ will not
be Raptured (1 Thessalonians 4:13-15). Paul said that they will be resurrected (1 Thessalonians 4:16) and will precede those who are
alive in Christ. Finally, those who are alive in Christ will be "caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the
air", (1 Thessalonians 4:17). So we can deduce from (1 Thessalonians 5:1-2) that Paul is talking about the Rapture. The Rapture can
happen at any moment. Jesus will come like a thief in the night. Jesus Himself said, "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know
on what day your Lord will come", (Matthew 24:42). Jesus also said that no one knows the day or the hour of the Lord's coming. No
man, no angel and not even the Son, Jesus Christ knows, but only the Father.
(Mark 13:33-37 NASB)
33 "Take heed, akeep on the alert; for you do not know when the appointed time 1will come.
34 "aIt is like a man away on a journey, who upon leaving his house and 1putting his slaves in charge, assigning to each
one his task, also commanded the doorkeeper to stay on the alert.
35 "Therefore, abe on the alert-for you do not know when the 1master of the house is coming, whether in the evening, at
midnight, or bwhen the rooster crows, or cin the morning-
36 in case he should come suddenly and find you aasleep.
37 "What I say to you I say to all, 'aBe on the alert!' "
Such continual vigilance and anticipation, through all generations of believers who were looking for Jesus to return, has served as
true incentive to live with urgency and minister with passion.
A similar situation is common in everyday life. A man goes away from home on a long trip. He leaves instructions with his servant
and tells the watchman also to be on the lookout for his return. Jesus likened Himself to the traveling man. He may come back at any
hour of the night. His people, serving as night watchmen, should not be found sleeping. So He left this word for all His people:
"Watch!"
Paul in (1 Thessalonians 5:1) didn't need to tell about date-setting for it is pointless because the Lord will come like a thief in
the night at an hour unexpected just like in the days of Noah when they were eating, drinking, partying, and sinning (Matthew
24:37-38). Those people lived for today, but for the wrong reasons. Instead of living for God they lived for themselves and it was
until the rain started that they realized they were wrong. Paul says that we have the light which is Jesus Christ and we should
always be watchful, alert, and of self-control lest we be caught unaware when that day comes. Since the Rapture is Pre-Tribulation,
it causes Christians to lead holy lives in expectation and preparation that the Lord will come at any moment! When the church loses
focus of this then it becomes carnal and spiritually dead. Other Rapture views say that the Pre-Trib Rapture gives believers a false
security, but on the contrary it makes believers lead right lives before God. Live for God now, not when you realize it is too late
and you have to live during the dreadful seven year Tribulation.
Who goes?
(John 3:2-3 NASB)
2 this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "aRabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one
can do these 1bsigns that You do unless cGod is with him."
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one ais born 1again he cannot see bthe kingdom of
God."
This Kingdom is preceded by a translation of the living saints.
This is a prerequisite, in order that those accounted worthy to inherit the Kingdom, and rule the nations with Christ, may be
gathered. In reference to the dead saints, a Pre-Millennial resurrection is promised by which to attain this object; and with such a
resurrection (i.e. at that time) a translation of the living saints is also connected in (1 Thessalonians 4:17), "the dead in Christ
shall rise first (or away);378 then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds (or, in
clouds)379 to meet the Lord in the air." 380 The same is repeated in I Corinthians 15:51-52, in union only with the resurrection of
believers: "Behold, I shew you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed." 381
The Rapture is Biblical and it is the first stage of the 2nd Advent.
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Revelation Video Series
Part 1/3 of Revelation Study Series - Keys to Unlocking the Future
by Dr. Ed Hindson
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Dr. Hindson is a graduate of William Tyndale College. He holds the Master of Arts (M.A.)
from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and the Master of Theology (Th.M.) from
Grace Theological Seminary. He also earned the Doctor of Theology (Th.D.) from Trinity,
the Doctor of Ministry (D. Min.) from Westminster, and the Doctor of Philosophy (D. Phil.)
from the University of South Africa.
Ed Hindson serves as the President of World Prophetic Ministry and as a Bible Teacher
on The King Is Coming telecast. "My greatest desire is to lift up Jesus Christ and proclaim
His Gospel to the entire world," Ed has said. "Serving as the President of the World Prophetic
Ministry allows me to do just that!" He previously served as the associate pastor of the
9,000-member Rehoboth Baptist Church, in Atlanta, and was the former Dean of the
School of Religion at Liberty University.
Dr. Hindson is known for his academic excellence and for being a practical teacher.
His compassion, warm personality and passion for God come through in every message.
He also has a unique and profound ability to take complicated issues and make them
seem simple. He has had the opportunity to personally teach Bible Survey to over
40,000 students. Alongside his teaching and speaking schedule, Dr. Hindson has had
the privilege to serve as the editor of five major Study Bibles, including the Gold Medallion
Award-winning Knowing Jesus Study Bible (Zondervan) and the best-selling
King James Study Bible (Thomas Nelson).
He has also written over 20 books. Many of his books deal with subjects pertaining to
end times prophecy, including: End Times, the Middle East, and the New World Order
(July, 1991); Final Signs: Amazing Prophecies of the End Times (February, 1996):
Approaching Armageddon: The World Prepares for War with God (July, 1997);
Is the Antichrist Alive and Well? (July, 1998); and, most recently, Antichrist Rising :
The Coming Global Storm (January 2003).
"My greatest desire is to lift up Jesus Christ and proclaim His Gospel to the entire world,"
Ed has said. "Serving as the President of the World Prophetic Ministry allows me to
do just that!"
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Revelation starts off with a bang!
-- John is caught up in spirit to Heaven where he sees Jesus
-- The message of Christ's imminent return is presented
-- Judgment begins at the house of God (the 7 churches)
-- Visions of the throne of God, the bittersweet scroll, and the triumph of the Lamb
-- The wrath of the Lamb, ride of the four horsemen, and the Tribulation martyrs
Keys to Unlocking the Future - (Media Player video - 92 min. 524 kbps)
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Part 2/3 of Revelation Study - Hell on Earth
by Dr. Ed Hindson
The Tribulation Fires Heat Up!
-- Unnatural disasters wreak havoc
-- Demonic plagues tear at all life
-- The War in Heaven spills over onto Earth
-- Antichrist rises to world dominion
-- The Bowls of God's wrath are poured out, and more
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Part 3/3 of Revelation Study - The Fall of Babylon
by Dr. Ed Hindson
"The Fall of Babylon" reveals a dramatic conclusion!
-- Fall of the world system
-- Battle of Armageddon
-- Return of Jesus Christ in Glory
-- Satan Bound
-- Marriage of the Lamb
-- Millennial Reign
-- Great White Throne
-- New Jerusalem, and more!
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21 Dec 2006 09:13:52 PM |
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On 21 Dec 2006 14:08:42 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Jesus is coming, so I am getting out of here, If you believe in Him you
have nothing to fear. The rapture I have outlined for it was my only
job, now it is time to get busy don't worry or sob.
Right. Offering salvation isn't your job. Just getting
saved people ready for this imaginary rapture and
to Hell with the rest. (:
Read Revelations, the part where we leave and follow my riddles and you
might for once believe!
You are quite full of yourself! (:
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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22 Dec 2006 11:04:36 AM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 21 Dec 2006 14:08:42 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Jesus is coming, so I am getting out of here, If you believe in Him you
have nothing to fear. The rapture I have outlined for it was my only
job, now it is time to get busy don't worry or sob.
Right. Offering salvation isn't your job. Just getting
saved people ready for this imaginary rapture and
to Hell with the rest. (:
Read Revelations, the part where we leave and follow my riddles and you
might for once believe!
You are quite full of yourself! (:
Actually, I would love nothing more than to save everyone on earth.
When my story is told it will save many, however, at what point should
God just say, forget it the world is growing too corrupt to save? Look
in the scripture, there is a Judgment Day and what if that day was
tomorrow? Would you be ready to stand before God? God gave His only
Son, Jesus Christ to die on the cross to save humankind, but for how
long? He is dog tired of people rejecting Him as well as His son, and
will very soon pronounce judgment on each and every individuals' soul.
I look forward to Judgment Day and the reestablishment of Christ as
King.
Heck, how many people today follow God's Ten Commandments? Easy rules
to follow but most people continue to disobey, just like the days of
Noah, and of course Sodom and Gomorrah. There, that is my truth.
Gabriel
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Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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22 Dec 2006 11:44:58 PM |
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On 22 Dec 2006 09:04:36 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 21 Dec 2006 14:08:42 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Jesus is coming, so I am getting out of here, If you believe in Him you
have nothing to fear. The rapture I have outlined for it was my only
job, now it is time to get busy don't worry or sob.
Right. Offering salvation isn't your job. Just getting
saved people ready for this imaginary rapture and
to Hell with the rest. (:
Read Revelations, the part where we leave and follow my riddles and you
might for once believe!
You are quite full of yourself! (:
Actually, I would love nothing more than to save everyone on earth.
Then do not write messages that seem to say the opposite.
The truth is, that it is rare to read a Futurist saying that
they wish everyone to be saved. So if you do, then I
applaud you! I truly do!
The reality is that 90% of Futurists, cheer on the destruction
of the planet, because they can't wait for this planet to
disappear and for the sinners to burn.
When my story is told it will save many, however,
It will not save anyone, if all you say is how people are
going to be sucking pond water, while you supposedly
float up to Heaven. :)
at what point should
God just say, forget it the world is growing too corrupt to save?
That isn't what the conversation was about. And frankly,
my view is that all of the prophecies of the Bible have
been fulfilled.
Now I know this will sound crazy to you. But I take
symbolism as just that.
Look in the scripture
With all due respect, please don't tell me to do that.
I have found, in my experience (which means that
I am not speaking to your personal knowledge)
Futurists are almost completely ignorant as to what
the Old Testament says.
Furthermore (not to brag, really), I have read the entire
Bible 15 times and have read various books of the OT
more than that and have read the New Testament
literally hundreds of times. So it will be quite a feat
(again, not to brag) for you to tell me something
about what the Bible says and that I would not be
familiar with it.
This does not means that I have nothing left to learn.
By God's standards, I'm an ignorant little child, who
hasn't a clue. :) But by human standards, I am quite
well researched and can probably go toe to toe with
the best of them.
My point is, I find that the Futurists (maybe not you)
typically stake their claims based on a snippet here
and there, from the OT, to support their NT conclusions
and it is typically Scripture verses which have been
taken completely out of context and they don't know
that, due to their ignorance of the OT.
there is a Judgment Day and what if that day was tomorrow?
I believe that day has passed. This does not alleviate us
of the judgment and upon death, it happens to each one
of us (Heb 9:27).
Would you be ready to stand before God?
With all due respect son, don't waste your time
preaching to me, especially when you didn't bother
to do so in the message I responded to.
Don't get me wrong, my brother... I appreciate the gesture
and honestly do not mean to be rude. I am just saying. :)
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Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
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27 Dec 2006 12:21:44 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
I believe that day has passed. This does not alleviate us
of the judgment and upon death, it happens to each one
of us (Heb 9:27).
Gabriel writes:
Hmmm. Did God already judge the world and everyone receives Death???
You know, I like you Azaliah. You're a thinker. I have a question for
you. If you believe Judgment Day has already passed, why are you still
here on earth? Seriously, my Judgment Day has passed and here I am.
What about you? Have you died before and do you remember it? Think of
this: Certain people die and then go into a dark room lit by candles.
The Judgment Room. From here, you either are sent to Heaven or are
sent to Hell or are sent to Purgatory which is earth. It is kind of a
second chance, or third, or fourth, chance to impress God so that you
can finally gain entrance into Heaven.
However, once every living soul has had their initial Judgment, we grow
closer to the Final Judgment where the Jackal takes us in front Of God
Almighty. Could you possibly imagine if everyone remembered their past
lives? Murderers, killers, thieves, screw artists? They would be very
good and the world would become peaceful. Or they would be monsters,
avenging those that did them harm in a previous life? At the end of
this world, the world will be peaceful and God Almighty's Son will
establish reign. But, first every single living and dead person has to
be judged according to their works. The dead people are now walking
the earth in another body, the living people who have never had a
Judgment are also now walking the earth. The Final Judgment is coming
very soon right after the last soul has lived on earth and dies. If
there was not a Final Judgment, the cycle would go on forever.
Think of it this way, there is only a certain number of souls. Let's
say 6 billion. The population of earth could then reach 6 billion
without the Final Judgment. After 6 billion is reached, new
individuals no longer have souls. More souls throughout time disappear
as the living people die and are transported to Heaven or are thrown
into Hell. The population continues to increase but the number of
people with a soul, decreases until one day every person on earth is
soulless: Earth Judgment Day. After this day, the living population
is destroyed, God's Kingdom is reestablished on earth and essentially
we will all live in Heaven. If you have been reincarnated as another
person, you are indeed lucky and have a second chance. If you have
been reincarnated and continue to reject Christ, you will most likely
be reincarnated again without a recollection of your past life
(soulless). See how God's system works. Right before Final Judgment,
most people believe in either nothing, alien systems (scientology),
pagan religions, or satanic cults and such. A perfect time for the
meteor which blasts the earth.
Flying your way,
Gabriel
"Good News is always Good as long as you are Good"
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Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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- John 17:17
I like 1s and 7s and so I like John.
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28 Dec 2006 10:49:40 AM |
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On 27 Dec 2006 10:21:44 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
I believe that day has passed. This does not alleviate us
of the judgment and upon death, it happens to each one
of us (Heb 9:27).
Gabriel writes:
Hmmm. Did God already judge the world and everyone
receives Death???
Why would everyone receive death?
You know, I like you Azaliah. You're a thinker.
Gee, thanks? :)
I have a question for you. If you believe Judgment Day
has already passed, why are you still here on earth?
Aren't you assuming that your belief that these parts of
Revelation are physically literal? I mean, is this where
you wish me to try to refute your belief that it all happens
physically on Earth, by first assuming that your belief
is true? Has it not occurred to you, that there may be
another way of looking at it?
Here's a hint. Do not demand that I try to refute your belief
that it all happens physically on Earth, by first assuming
that it all happens physically on Earth. :)
If I believe that much of it is symbolism for spiritual events
then you had better be ready to understand that this is what
I am offering as an interpretation.
So if you asked me, "How could the resurrection have happened,
when physical bodies have not all risen out of the grave?",
this would show that you do not understand what it is I am
saying, since I do not believe that physical bodies were
resurrected at the judgment.
I am happy to discuss my beliefs with you and go over
the prophecies that are coming to mind for you, but I
won't try to debate/discuss our positions by first assuming
that yours is the correct one. :)
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Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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| Title: Re: LET'S LEAVE AND COME BACK AFTER THE NASTIES! |
29 Dec 2006 01:36:21 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 10:21:44 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
I believe that day has passed. This does not alleviate us
of the judgment and upon death, it happens to each one
of us (Heb 9:27).
Gabriel writes:
Hmmm. Did God already judge the world and everyone
receives Death???
Why would everyone receive death?
What I mean by saying that everyone receives Death , is that everyone
physically living today will some day die unless of course, there is a
rapture of the church and the physical bodies of the church members are
transported to Heaven.
You know, I like you Azaliah. You're a thinker.
Gee, thanks? :)
I have a question for you. If you believe Judgment Day
has already passed, why are you still here on earth?
Aren't you assuming that your belief that these parts of
Revelation are physically literal? I mean, is this where
you wish me to try to refute your belief that it all happens
physically on Earth, by first assuming that your belief
is true? Has it not occurred to you, that there may be
another way of looking at it?
Here's a hint. Do not demand that I try to refute your belief
that it all happens physically on Earth, by first assuming
that it all happens physically on Earth. :)
If I believe that much of it is symbolism for spiritual events
then you had better be ready to understand that this is what
I am offering as an interpretation.
So if you asked me, "How could the resurrection have happened,
when physical bodies have not all risen out of the grave?",
this would show that you do not understand what it is I am
saying, since I do not believe that physical bodies were
resurrected at the judgment.
I think I understand what you are getting at. Physical bodies will not
rise out of the grave because many have already decomposed into ashes,
many other people have simply vanished (like in explosions), and many
people have been burned into ashes after they have died. So how can
these bodies physically rise out of the grave? They cannot. So now
let's think of it as a resurrection of souls. So what souls are now
left on earth? Are we in fact, all Left Behind?
Gabriel
I am happy to discuss my beliefs with you and go over
the prophecies that are coming to mind for you, but I
won't try to debate/discuss our positions by first assuming
that yours is the correct one. :)
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: LET'S LEAVE AND COME BACK AFTER THE NASTIES! |
29 Dec 2006 06:57:00 PM |
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On 29 Dec 2006 11:36:21 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Gabriel"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
On 27 Dec 2006 10:21:44 -0800, while bungee jumping, "Heraldo"
<gabriel_shoutsloud@yahoo.com> shouted thusly:
Azaliah wrote:
I believe that day has passed. This does not alleviate us
of the judgment and upon death, it happens to each one
of us (Heb 9:27).
Gabriel writes:
Hmmm. Did God already judge the world and everyone
receives Death???
Why would everyone receive death?
What I mean by saying that everyone receives Death , is that everyone
physically living today will some day die unless of course, there is a
rapture of the church and the physical bodies of the church members are
transported to Heaven.
Rapture aside, as I don't believe in it, the fact is,
that people die every day. And frankly, you should
stop wasting your time worrying about physical death.
It is the spiritual that matters.
I have a question for you. If you believe Judgment Day
has already passed, why are you still here on earth?
Aren't you assuming that your belief that these parts of
Revelation are physically literal? I mean, is this where
you wish me to try to refute your belief that it all happens
physically on Earth, by first assuming that your belief
is true? Has it not occurred to you, that there may be
another way of looking at it?
Here's a hint. Do not demand that I try to refute your belief
that it all happens physically on Earth, by first assuming
that it all happens physically on Earth. :)
If I believe that much of it is symbolism for spiritual events
then you had better be ready to understand that this is what
I am offering as an interpretation.
So if you asked me, "How could the resurrection have happened,
when physical bodies have not all risen out of the grave?",
this would show that you do not understand what it is I am
saying, since I do not believe that physical bodies were
resurrected at the judgment.
I think I understand what you are getting at.
Okay, good. :)
Physical bodies will not
rise out of the grave because many have already decomposed into ashes,
many other people have simply vanished (like in explosions), and many
people have been burned into ashes after they have died. So how can
these bodies physically rise out of the grave? They cannot. So now
let's think of it as a resurrection of souls. So what souls are now
left on earth? Are we in fact, all Left Behind?
Souls on Earth? Why would there be any?
And with all due respect, you have been giving
the standard Futurist cliches. "Left Behind"?
Why do you quote that title, as if it is the Bible?
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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