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On 17 Jun, 20:03, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com> wrote:

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Because
of
the behaviour of certain people in these newsgroups towards

others (and in the wider world), I began to look for
answers
as
to
what a Christian should be like in their attitude towards
other
people.

And apparently the answer you discovered is they're supposed
to
be
condescending, arrogant and rude.

I am curious as to how you come to that conclusion

Because you're condescending, arrogant and rude.

And I am now curious as to how you come to that conclusion too.

See my reply to Kate.

I appreciate your expansion on your previous posts, but I disagree
with what you have said.

You seem to have missed the point that I was quoting from someone
else's work. And I happen to agree with what he has said.

In that case, I understood the point completely.

This person has stated a fact religion is all about faith,

Is it? Really? All the time, every time?

A belief in a supernatural being or beings that order the physical
universe is the basis of all religions.

Usually.

Since it is not possible to prove the existence of such beings, then
their existence is a matter of faith, and faith has no need for
evidence or proof.

Nonsense. When people mistake coincidence for the intent of a
supernatural
being, they are not displaying faith. They are observing events and
drawing
conclusions like rational people. That the conclusions are likely to be
wrong does not change that fact.

So yes religion is about faith all the time.

No. The person in the middle of tragedy that curses the fates is reacting
to
evidence, not faith. That he's misinterpreting the evidence is
irrelevant.

So you are effectively saying that faith is non-existent or at the
very least unimportant, what proof do you have of this positon?

(I can only imagine the expressions of consternation on what passes for the
faces of the inhabitants of Aldeberan IV as gigantic goalposts suddenly
appear in orbit.)

Unless you can quote where I state that faith is non-existant, or that it's
unimportant, I'll just assume you're lying about me to my face.

Nowhere do I suggest that faith is non-existant, or never an element of
religion.

Logically, all I'm required to do is show that if even one person doesn't
use faith as a reason for holding their religion, then your claim is
completely wrong.

Personally, I think the proportion of people who don't use faith that way is
quite a bit larger than that.

and he has
said quite clearly that if a person is secure in their faith they
wouldn't need to behave the way that the 'hate mongers' do and this
is
also a fact.

It is? Since when? Since pop-psychology became popular?

Insecure people always attack those that dont see things the way they
do,

No they don't. Some just swallow it and never speak up.

What planet are you from?

Now who is being rude?

Me. I never said I wasn't rude.

Do you agree that some insecure people internalize their disagreements with
others? Or are you going to just close your eyes and stick your fingers in
your ears.

and people whose faith is uncertain always need a scape goat to
blame for all the woes of the world in general and the problems of
their personal life in particular.

Some do, some don't.

How then can this be condescending, arrogant and rude?

Since neither point is really a fact, and according to you he states
them
as
such, he's being arrogant, condescending, and rude. And since he does
exactly the things he's criticizing, he's a hypocrite.

How can stating facts be viewed as condescending, arrogant and rude?

Because they're not facts.

How about you prove your position instead of merely rejecting his?

All I have to do is show that a single person contradicts your broad brush
strokes. I think any reasonable person can identify with someone who does
that.

How is he doing exactly the things he is criticizing? He isnt
attacking anyone's beliefs.

Sure he is. With each and every word. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have
anything to say. Here, I'll repost relevant passages:

All you have reposted is your original reaction to my OP, which proves
nothing apart from your rejection of his point of view, which is
exactly what you are accusing him of doing.

He does reject his own point of view, that's why he's a hypocrite. The
quotes you snipped demonstrate that.

[smipped for dishonesty]

So how then is he a hypocrite?

Because he criticizes in others what he does himself.

And you still havent proven this.

I presented two quotes that prove it. But you snipped them.

Is that how you win all your arguments?

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