Religions > Bible > LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD
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"Glenn" |
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15 Aug 2007 01:24:54 PM |
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LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Triune Being, or
c) Jesus to be the "I AM" as revealed to Moses which is NOT taken out of
Context, misused or misinterpreted, or
d) the Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, the Comforter or Spirit of Truth as a
Person, or a persona of a triune Being, or
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
g) Jesus and God the Father as "co-equal", or
h) Jesus as a Member or a person or persona of a triune god, or
i) ANY scripture where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, David,
Solomon, Daniel or ANY other Prophet or writer in the Old Testament
Described, defined or depicted God the Father as a triune god, or
j) ANY scripture where the Apostles depicted, defined or described God
the Father or the Son of God, Jesus, as members of a triune God...
PLEASE DO SO!!!
Thanks,
Glenn
His witness
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Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
15 Aug 2007 11:06:04 PM |
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:f9vgdq01tpk@enews1.newsguy.com...
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been
taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you
through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the
rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the
fullness of the Godhead bodily.
(Colossians 2:6-9)
This scripture shows two, but the Holy Spirit is God because you can't
blaspheme against anybody but God. As far as a scripture that shows all
three as God AND equal it's really not there but rather the truth of their
equality is found in their oneness. Christ could NOT be any less than the
Father because the Father dwelt in Him fully, this is the applying principle
to all three.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto
them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck
them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and
no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are
one.
(John 10:27-30)
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou
gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(John 17:4-5)
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten
of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved
us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and
priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and
ever. Amen. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and
they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail
because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the
Almighty.
(Revelation 1:5-8)
I'm not smart enough to try to debate but in my flawed and meager way I'm
trying to show you the truth I've found. As you already know I love you, you
are a blessing to me, my brother.
[tbc]
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
16 Aug 2007 03:05:45 AM |
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Sword of Gideon ===) >>>>>>> wrote:
"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:f9vgdq01tpk@enews1.newsguy.com...
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been
taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you
through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the
rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the
fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Sorry... the Term "Godhead" means "deity." That is, Jesus is Divine.
"Godhead" does NOT mean "triune."
(Colossians 2:6-9)
This scripture shows two, but the Holy Spirit is God because you can't
blaspheme against anybody but God. As far as a scripture that shows all
three as God AND equal it's really not there but rather the truth of their
equality is found in their oneness. Christ could NOT be any less than the
Father because the Father dwelt in Him fully, this is the applying principle
to all three.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto
them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck
them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and
no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are
one.
(John 10:27-30)
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou
gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Which proves that The Son came forth from the Father before the
'beginning'...
But we already know that, because all things were created by and through
Christ.
(John 17:4-5)
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten
of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved
us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and
priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and
ever. Amen. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and
they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail
because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the
Almighty.
(Revelation 1:5-8)
I'm not smart enough to try to debate but in my flawed and meager way I'm
trying to show you the truth I've found. As you already know I love you, you
are a blessing to me, my brother.
Thanks for you brother, and your concern.
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| User: "®andy" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
16 Aug 2007 10:11:33 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:05:45 -0700,
in article <fa10gu09l2@enews1.newsguy.com>,
Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
<clip back to subject of thread>
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are
one.
This verse is not in the more reliable manuscripts, and was
probably added to the Bible by someone who believes God is
triune. However, instead of taking that stand, you decided to
look at the wording of this verse at face value, then claim it
does not support the fact God is triune. Thus, it shows that
even if an entire Bible doctrine were clearly stated in a
single sentence, as your false, hypocritical double standard
requires of the fact God is triune, you will deny it.
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
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We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
15 Aug 2007 11:46:48 PM |
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On Aug 15, 10:24 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Triune Being, or
c) Jesus to be the "I AM" as revealed to Moses which is NOT taken out of
Context, misused or misinterpreted, or
d) the Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, the Comforter or Spirit of Truth as a
Person, or a persona of a triune Being, or
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
g) Jesus and God the Father as "co-equal", or
h) Jesus as a Member or a person or persona of a triune god, or
i) ANY scripture where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, David,
Solomon, Daniel or ANY other Prophet or writer in the Old Testament
Described, defined or depicted God the Father as a triune god, or
j) ANY scripture where the Apostles depicted, defined or described God
the Father or the Son of God, Jesus, as members of a triune God...
PLEASE DO SO!!!
Thanks,
Glenn
His witness
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open aswww.thelittlebookopened.org[Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
The problem, Glenn, is that now you will get tons of people giving you
verses which IMPLY a triune god based upon the reading. It's all
opinion and interpretation.
The reason why I don't ask for such is that my viewpoint is that, if
it's not required for salvation, it's not important. That's the
reason I skip that question and go straight to the heart of the
matter: is it required for salvation? If Jesus doesn't say it's
required for salvation, it's not important. Nice to know, perhaps,
fun to argue about but overall, very unimportant. Let those who want
to engage in invisible friend arguments have them, but please knock
off the statements that someone isn't "saved" if they don't agree with
someone else on a triune god.
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
15 Aug 2007 05:58:36 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
15 Aug 2007 10:14:01 PM |
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Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
[KJV] Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
[KJV] Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou
art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a
Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[KJV] John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
The Father and Son Relationship as authored by God is written in the
life of every parent and every child ever born on the face of this
earth... including Jesus.
The Father precedes the Child, the Child comes forth from the Parent.
God the Father has no Father.
The Son of God has a Father, God.
God the Father has no God.
The Son of God has a God, His Father.
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
15 Aug 2007 10:49:50 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
John 14:10 (NCV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in me? The words I say to you don't come from me, but the Father lives in me
and does his own work.
Col 1:19 (NCV) God was pleased for all of himself to live in Christ.
Col 2:9 (NCV) All of God lives in Christ fully (even when Christ was on
earth),
[KJV] Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
[KJV] Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou
art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a
Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[KJV] John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
None of the scriptures you quoted say the Father and Son exist as two
individual beings - so by quoting them you have only proven that you can't back
up your claim with scripture. What else is new?
The Father and Son Relationship as authored by God is written in the
life of every parent and every child ever born on the face of this
earth... including Jesus.
The Father precedes the Child, the Child comes forth from the Parent.
You can rationalize it however you wish - but what I'm interested in is
scriptural evidence - and so far you have failed to provide any scriptural
evidence that says God exists as 2 individual beings. What else you got?
God the Father has no Father.
The Son of God has a Father, God.
This doesn't help you - as the Son of God is also like his Father.
Heb 7:3 (NASB) Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having
neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he
remains a priest perpetually.
Heb 1:3 (NLT) The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him
represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his
command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the
place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven.
God the Father has no God.
The Son of God has a God, His Father.
This doesn't help you either - as they are one.
John 10:30 (NCV) The Father and I are one."
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
15 Aug 2007 11:13:58 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
You just proved two with the verse you quoted. One cannot be "in" the
other unless there is two. The Greek preposition "en" in is expressed
as a dot (one) inside a circle (2).
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
No that is not what it proves. Do you see the words "INDIVIDUAL
BEING" in that verse? Do you see the word "IDENTIFIED" in that verse?
Jesus did NOT say that the Father LIVES in him, the word is "LIVING"
not LIVES. You should read it in the Greek where the word "living" is
from "meno" the word that means "to abide in". We are told to abide
in Christ and to abide in God; does that make us Christ or God? No.
It makes a multiple; not a one.
How do you explain Christ in us the hope of glory? How do you explain
God in us?
John 14:10 (NCV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in me? The words I say to you don't come from me, but the Father lives in me
and does his own work.
Col 1:19 (NCV) God was pleased for all of himself to live in Christ.
Col 2:9 (NCV) All of God lives in Christ fully (even when Christ was on
earth),
[KJV] Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
[KJV] Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou
art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a
Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[KJV] John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
None of the scriptures you quoted say the Father and Son exist as two
individual beings - so by quoting them you have only proven that you can't back
up your claim with scripture. What else is new?
The Father and Son Relationship as authored by God is written in the
life of every parent and every child ever born on the face of this
earth... including Jesus.
The Father precedes the Child, the Child comes forth from the Parent.
You can rationalize it however you wish - but what I'm interested in is
scriptural evidence - and so far you have failed to provide any scriptural
evidence that says God exists as 2 individual beings. What else you got?
God the Father has no Father.
The Son of God has a Father, God.
This doesn't help you - as the Son of God is also like his Father.
Heb 7:3 (NASB) Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having
neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he
remains a priest perpetually.
Heb 1:3 (NLT) The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him
represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his
command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the
place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven.
God the Father has no God.
The Son of God has a God, His Father.
This doesn't help you either - as they are one.
John 10:30 (NCV) The Father and I are one."
Jim, you got some serious reading skills problems. Either that, or
you are deliberately trying to strive.
2Ti 2:14 KJV
Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord
that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting
of the hearers.
I assume that you are Oneness. Your behavior is very much like Steve
Winter's behavior. Your wrong behavior does not make your
denomination look very good.
BB
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
16 Aug 2007 09:29:55 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:13:58 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
You just proved two with the verse you quoted. One cannot be "in" the
other unless there is two. The Greek preposition "en" in is expressed
as a dot (one) inside a circle (2).
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
No that is not what it proves. Do you see the words "INDIVIDUAL
BEING" in that verse?
Jesus Christ is ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING. Is it my fault you are blind to that
fact? I don't think so.
Do you see the word "IDENTIFIED" in that verse?
Jesus did NOT say that the Father LIVES in him,
the word is "LIVING" not LIVES.
Your woeful ignorance is noted - there is no difference between "lives in him"
and "living in him". Moreover - there are other translations that say "LIVES".
John 14:10 (NLT) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in me? The words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his
work through me.
John 14:10 (NCV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in me? The words I say to you don't come from me, but the Father lives in me
and does his own work.
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
16 Aug 2007 02:09:21 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:29:55 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:13:58 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
You just proved two with the verse you quoted. One cannot be "in" the
other unless there is two. The Greek preposition "en" in is expressed
as a dot (one) inside a circle (2).
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
No that is not what it proves. Do you see the words "INDIVIDUAL
BEING" in that verse?
Jesus Christ is ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING. Is it my fault you are blind to that
fact? I don't think so.
I am the one saying that Jesus is one individual. You are the one
saying he is two.
Do you see the word "IDENTIFIED" in that verse?
Jesus did NOT say that the Father LIVES in him,
the word is "LIVING" not LIVES.
Your woeful ignorance is noted - there is no difference between "lives in him"
and "living in him". Moreover - there are other translations that say "LIVES".
Try looking up the words in a dictionary. Did you know that words
which are spelled differently almost always mean different things.
John 14:10 (NLT) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in me? The words I say are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his
work through me.
John 14:10 (NCV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is
in me? The words I say to you don't come from me, but the Father lives in me
and does his own work.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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16 Aug 2007 08:51:34 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:09:21 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:29:55 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:13:58 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
You just proved two with the verse you quoted. One cannot be "in" the
other unless there is two. The Greek preposition "en" in is expressed
as a dot (one) inside a circle (2).
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
No that is not what it proves. Do you see the words "INDIVIDUAL
BEING" in that verse?
Jesus Christ is ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING. Is it my fault you are blind to that
fact? I don't think so.
I am the one saying that Jesus is one individual. You are the one
saying he is two.
Do you see the word "IDENTIFIED" in that verse?
Jesus did NOT say that the Father LIVES in him,
the word is "LIVING" not LIVES.
Your woeful ignorance is noted - there is no difference between "lives in him"
and "living in him". Moreover - there are other translations that say "LIVES".
Try looking up the words in a dictionary.
You should take your own advice - not that that would help.
Did you know that words
which are spelled differently almost always mean different things.
Again you spew forth your ignorance for all to see. The terms "living" and
"lives" are both "active voice" - and are both derivatives of the word "live".
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/live
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16 Aug 2007 10:47:01 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:51:34 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:09:21 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:29:55 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:13:58 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
You just proved two with the verse you quoted. One cannot be "in" the
other unless there is two. The Greek preposition "en" in is expressed
as a dot (one) inside a circle (2).
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
No that is not what it proves. Do you see the words "INDIVIDUAL
BEING" in that verse?
Jesus Christ is ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING. Is it my fault you are blind to that
fact? I don't think so.
I am the one saying that Jesus is one individual. You are the one
saying he is two.
Do you see the word "IDENTIFIED" in that verse?
Jesus did NOT say that the Father LIVES in him,
the word is "LIVING" not LIVES.
Your woeful ignorance is noted - there is no difference between "lives in him"
and "living in him". Moreover - there are other translations that say "LIVES".
Try looking up the words in a dictionary.
You should take your own advice - not that that would help.
Did you know that words
which are spelled differently almost always mean different things.
Again you spew forth your ignorance for all to see. The terms "living" and
"lives" are both "active voice" - and are both derivatives of the word "live".
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/live
Jim,
DUH! Did you notice the little v before lived, living and lives. Then
did you bother to read the lines behind the numbers 1-7 below that?
Do you know how to read a dictionary? Different words mean different
things which is why they are spelled differently. Did you know that
not all Jim's are James' and that not all James are Jims? Did you know
that Jesus Christ is not God and that God is not Jesus Christ? A
person that knows how to read would be able to tell the difference
between the two.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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17 Aug 2007 06:28:14 AM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:47:01 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:51:34 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:09:21 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:29:55 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:13:58 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:14:01 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
One is the Father, the other is the Son.
The Father is not His own Son.
The Son is not His own Father.
That doesn't prove two individual beings. The Father and the Son are both
identified in the one individual being of Jesus Christ - and this fact is
proven by Scripture.
John 14:10 (NIV) Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the
Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the
Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
You just proved two with the verse you quoted. One cannot be "in" the
other unless there is two. The Greek preposition "en" in is expressed
as a dot (one) inside a circle (2).
Jesus says the Father lives Him - which proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in
the one INDIVIDUAL BEING of Jesus Christ - and there is a lot more scriptural
evidence that proves the Father is IDENTIFIED in the INDIVIDAUL BEING of
Jesus Christ - including the following:
No that is not what it proves. Do you see the words "INDIVIDUAL
BEING" in that verse?
Jesus Christ is ONE INDIVIDUAL BEING. Is it my fault you are blind to that
fact? I don't think so.
I am the one saying that Jesus is one individual. You are the one
saying he is two.
Do you see the word "IDENTIFIED" in that verse?
Jesus did NOT say that the Father LIVES in him,
the word is "LIVING" not LIVES.
Your woeful ignorance is noted - there is no difference between "lives in him"
and "living in him". Moreover - there are other translations that say "LIVES".
Try looking up the words in a dictionary.
You should take your own advice - not that that would help.
Did you know that words
which are spelled differently almost always mean different things.
Again you spew forth your ignorance for all to see. The terms "living" and
"lives" are both "active voice" - and are both derivatives of the word "live".
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/live
Jim,
DUH! Did you notice the little v before lived, living and lives. Then
did you bother to read the lines behind the numbers 1-7 below that?
Do you know how to read a dictionary? Different words mean different
things which is why they are spelled differently. Did you know that
not all Jim's are James'
Did you know that "Jim's" is not plural for "Jim"??? Did you graduate
from high school???
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15 Aug 2007 07:19:00 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them. Need more?
Rom 1:7 KJV To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be
saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Rom 15:6 KJV That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God,
even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:3 KJV Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and
from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:6 KJV But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are
all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all
things, and we by him.
2Co 1:2 KJV Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from
the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co 1:3 KJV Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 11:31 KJV The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is
blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Gal 1:1 KJV Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by
Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Gal 1:3 KJV Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from
our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 1:2 KJV Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from
the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in
Christ:
Eph 1:17 KJV That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of
glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the
knowledge of him:
Eph 5:20 KJV Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the
Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 6:23 KJV Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God
the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 1:2 KJV Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and
from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 2:11 KJV And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Col 1:2 KJV To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are
at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the
Lord Jesus Christ.
Col 1:3 KJV We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ, praying always for you,
1Th 1:1 KJV Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the
Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
1Th 1:3 KJV Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and
labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the
sight of God and our Father;
1Th 3:11 KJV Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus
Christ, direct our way unto you.
1Th 3:13 KJV To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in
holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus
Christ with all his saints.
2Th 1:1 KJV Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the
Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2 KJV Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the
Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 2:16 KJV Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our
Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation
and good hope through grace,
1Ti 1:2 KJV Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and
peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Ti 1:2 KJV To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and
peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 KJV To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace,
mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our
Saviour.
Phm 1:3 KJV Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord
Jesus Christ.
1Pe 1:2 KJV Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of
the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
2Jn 1:3 KJV Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and
love.
Jud 1:1 KJV Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,
to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus
Christ, and called:
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15 Aug 2007 08:55:52 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Need more?
You already provided 33 that prove God doesn't exist as 2 individual beings.
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15 Aug 2007 10:22:58 PM |
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Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Your delusion, Jim, is based on confusion: You are using the trinitarian
definition of the TERM "God" ("Three in one.")
THAT definition is NOT scriptural.
The Term "God" was used by Jesus to define the KIND of Being "God" IS:
"God is a Spirit." John 4:24 KJV
The Term "God" is used to mean "Supreme" or "Absolute Ruler," to Reign
with All Power.
God the Father gave His Son ALL Power and ALL Authority, and told Him to
Rule. Ps 110:1-2, Mat 28:18, 1 Cor 15:24-28
THAT is what Thomas acknowledged. "My Lord and my God." John 20:28.
God the Father is "God" because that is the "Kind of Being" He is.
Jesus is "God" because His Father gave Him ALL Power and All Authority.
God (kind of Being) the Father does not presently rule, because He gave
His Son to rule.
Jesus is God (Title of Authority) because His Father made Him Absolute
Ruler. Ps 110:1-2, Mat 28, 18, 1 Cor 15:24-28.
Glenn
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15 Aug 2007 11:11:20 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:22:58 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Your delusion, Jim, is based on confusion: You are using the trinitarian
definition of the TERM "God" ("Three in one.")
Now you're just throwing more crap against the wall - but the problem is
none of it sticks.
THAT definition is NOT scriptural.
The Term "God" was used by Jesus to define the KIND of Being "God" IS:
"God is a Spirit." John 4:24 KJV
The Term "God" is used to mean "Supreme" or "Absolute Ruler," to Reign
with All Power.
God the Father gave His Son ALL Power and ALL Authority, and told Him to
Rule. Ps 110:1-2, Mat 28:18, 1 Cor 15:24-28
THAT is what Thomas acknowledged. "My Lord and my God." John 20:28.
God the Father is "God" because that is the "Kind of Being" He is.
Jesus is "God" because His Father gave Him ALL Power and All Authority.
That is your bogus opinion - which only proves you are the one who is
deluded. But contrary to your delusion - there is only One God and that
One God has never made and will not ever make anyone else God.
Isa 43:10 (NKJV) "You are My witnesses," says the LORD, "And My servant
whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that
I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
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15 Aug 2007 11:40:02 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:11:20 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:22:58 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Your delusion, Jim, is based on confusion: You are using the trinitarian
definition of the TERM "God" ("Three in one.")
Now you're just throwing more crap against the wall - but the problem is
none of it sticks.
THAT definition is NOT scriptural.
The Term "God" was used by Jesus to define the KIND of Being "God" IS:
"God is a Spirit." John 4:24 KJV
The Term "God" is used to mean "Supreme" or "Absolute Ruler," to Reign
with All Power.
God the Father gave His Son ALL Power and ALL Authority, and told Him to
Rule. Ps 110:1-2, Mat 28:18, 1 Cor 15:24-28
THAT is what Thomas acknowledged. "My Lord and my God." John 20:28.
God the Father is "God" because that is the "Kind of Being" He is.
Jesus is "God" because His Father gave Him ALL Power and All Authority.
That is your bogus opinion - which only proves you are the one who is
deluded. But contrary to your delusion - there is only One God and that
One God has never made and will not ever make anyone else God.
Isa 43:10 (NKJV) "You are My witnesses," says the LORD, "And My servant
whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that
I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
Jim,
Do you know what you are talking about? Could you explain your view
without the sarcasm so that someone who is trying to figure out what
you are saying can do so more easily?
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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15 Aug 2007 09:18:52 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:55:52 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Need more?
You already provided 33 that prove God doesn't exist as 2 individual beings.
Jim,
Now why would snip out the verses and then say none of them say God
exists as 2 individual beings. You did say "2 individual beings" but
did not place the words within quotations to mean exactly those words.
You said before that any Scripture which depicts define or Describe...
and those three little dots open all doors. So, what I did was within
the parameters you established. All of the 33 verses below speak of
God and Jesus Christ as two that are not the same (see how I got
around your little person, persona, member, individual, beings game?).
I played the game your way. Now let's see you play the not a game my
way. Prove that God and Jesus Christ are the same "one" in each of
the following passages. Don't forget, I'm not Trinitarian or Oneness
so I can't be fooled too easily.
BB
Rom 1:7 KJV To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be
saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Rom 15:6 KJV That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God,
even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:3 KJV Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and
from the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:6 KJV But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are
all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all
things, and we by him.
2Co 1:2 KJV Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from
the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co 1:3 KJV Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 11:31 KJV The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is
blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
Gal 1:1 KJV Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by
Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Gal 1:3 KJV Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from
our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 1:2 KJV Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from
the Lord Jesus Christ.
Eph 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in
Christ:
Eph 1:17 KJV That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of
glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the
knowledge of him:
Eph 5:20 KJV Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the
Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Eph 6:23 KJV Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God
the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 1:2 KJV Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and
from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Php 2:11 KJV And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ
is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Col 1:2 KJV To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are
at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the
Lord Jesus Christ.
Col 1:3 KJV We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ, praying always for you,
1Th 1:1 KJV Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the
Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus
Christ.
1Th 1:3 KJV Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and
labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the
sight of God and our Father;
1Th 3:11 KJV Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus
Christ, direct our way unto you.
1Th 3:13 KJV To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in
holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus
Christ with all his saints.
2Th 1:1 KJV Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the
Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2 KJV Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the
Lord Jesus Christ.
2Th 2:16 KJV Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our
Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation
and good hope through grace,
1Ti 1:2 KJV Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and
peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Ti 1:2 KJV To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and
peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit 1:4 KJV To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace,
mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our
Saviour.
Phm 1:3 KJV Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord
Jesus Christ.
1Pe 1:2 KJV Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of
the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe 1:3 KJV Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a
lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
2Jn 1:3 KJV Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and
love.
Jud 1:1 KJV Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James,
to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus
Christ, and called:
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15 Aug 2007 10:19:31 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:18:52 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:55:52 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Need more?
You already provided 33 that prove God doesn't exist as 2 individual beings.
Jim,
Now why would snip out the verses and then say none of them say God
exists as 2 individual beings.
Very simple - because they didn't.
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15 Aug 2007 10:39:43 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:19:31 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:18:52 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:55:52 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:58:36 -0500, Jim <Jim@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
What a joke and hypocrite you are - you point your finger at Trinitarians when
you cannot even back up your own teaching. Where does Scripture teach that
Jesus and his Father are two individual beings?
I assume you are talking about Jesus Christ and not another Jesus. The
two are spoken of as two in every book of the New Testament.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a twinity being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Twinity Being, or
I'm waiting - but I'm not holding my breath.
Here's 33 of them.
And none of them say God exists as 2 individual beings.
Need more?
You already provided 33 that prove God doesn't exist as 2 individual beings.
Jim,
Now why would snip out the verses and then say none of them say God
exists as 2 individual beings.
Very simple - because they didn't.
Jim,
Do you think you just showed me and everyone else that read your
responses how smart you are? You did.
BB
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16 Aug 2007 12:21:08 PM |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
That's been presented more times than I can count. Perhaps you
should see a psychiatrist.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Triune Being, or
c) Jesus to be the "I AM" as revealed to Moses which is NOT taken out of
Context, misused or misinterpreted, or
d) the Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, the Comforter or Spirit of Truth as a
Person, or a persona of a triune Being, or
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
g) Jesus and God the Father as "co-equal", or
h) Jesus as a Member or a person or persona of a triune god, or
i) ANY scripture where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, David,
Solomon, Daniel or ANY other Prophet or writer in the Old Testament
Described, defined or depicted God the Father as a triune god, or
j) ANY scripture where the Apostles depicted, defined or described God
the Father or the Son of God, Jesus, as members of a triune God...
PLEASE DO SO!!!
Thanks,
Glenn
His witness
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
16 Aug 2007 02:57:54 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:21:08 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
That's been presented more times than I can count. Perhaps you
should see a psychiatrist.
John not everybody has to see a psychiatrist every time they think
something. Thinking and asking questions is often sane behavior for
which there is no need for the services of a shrink.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Triune Being, or
c) Jesus to be the "I AM" as revealed to Moses which is NOT taken out of
Context, misused or misinterpreted, or
d) the Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, the Comforter or Spirit of Truth as a
Person, or a persona of a triune Being, or
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
g) Jesus and God the Father as "co-equal", or
h) Jesus as a Member or a person or persona of a triune god, or
i) ANY scripture where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, David,
Solomon, Daniel or ANY other Prophet or writer in the Old Testament
Described, defined or depicted God the Father as a triune god, or
j) ANY scripture where the Apostles depicted, defined or described God
the Father or the Son of God, Jesus, as members of a triune God...
PLEASE DO SO!!!
Thanks,
Glenn
His witness
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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16 Aug 2007 01:20:48 PM |
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john w <johnw wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
That's been presented more times than I can count.
That is a lie: you and others keep presenting your 'interpretation' of
some scripture -- which in fact often has NO relation to the actual
words quoted.
You 'trinitarians' keep presen6ting your 'doctrine' -- obviously blind
to the fact that your doctrine is NOT *IN* God's Word.
Perhaps you should see a psychiatrist.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, since the rejection of Truth
results in Delusion, and Delusion leads to insanity and Death.
However, john w, I don't think a psychiatrist can help you, you need to
ask for healing from God.
If you CAN Quote any Scripture which Depicts, Define or Describe...
a) God the Father as a triune being, or
b) Jesus as a Person/persona/member of a Triune Being, or
c) Jesus to be the "I AM" as revealed to Moses which is NOT taken out of
Context, misused or misinterpreted, or
d) the Spirit of God, Holy Spirit, the Comforter or Spirit of Truth as a
Person, or a persona of a triune Being, or
e) Jesus and God the Father as "co-existent", or
f) God the Father and His Son Jesus as "co-eternal", or
g) Jesus and God the Father as "co-equal", or
h) Jesus as a Member or a person or persona of a triune god, or
i) ANY scripture where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Isaiah, David,
Solomon, Daniel or ANY other Prophet or writer in the Old Testament
Described, defined or depicted God the Father as a triune god, or
j) ANY scripture where the Apostles depicted, defined or described God
the Father or the Son of God, Jesus, as members of a triune God...
PLEASE DO SO!!!
Thanks,
Glenn
His witness
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http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Jim" |
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| Title: Re: LOOKING FOR SCRIPTURE WHICH TEACHES DOCTRINE OF A TRIUNE GOD |
16 Aug 2007 04:08:38 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:20:48 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
john w <johnw wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
That's been presented more times than I can count.
That is a lie: you and others keep presenting your 'interpretation' of
some scripture -- which in fact often has NO relation to the actual
words quoted.
You 'trinitarians' keep presen6ting your 'doctrine' -- obviously blind
to the fact that your doctrine is NOT *IN* God's Word.
You keep pointing your finger at Trinitarians - obviously blind to the fact
that your "Twinity doctrine" is NOT *IN* God's Word. Where did Paul the apostle
or any other New Testament writer teach that God exists as two individual
beings? I'm still waiting for you to show me. How long do you think it will
take for hell to freeze over.
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16 Aug 2007 05:15:09 PM |
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Jim wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:20:48 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
john w <johnw wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
That's been presented more times than I can count.
That is a lie: you and others keep presenting your 'interpretation' of
some scripture -- which in fact often has NO relation to the actual
words quoted.
You 'trinitarians' keep presen6ting your 'doctrine' -- obviously blind
to the fact that your doctrine is NOT *IN* God's Word.
You keep pointing your finger at Trinitarians - obviously blind to the fact
that your "Twinity doctrine" is NOT *IN* God's Word. Where did Paul the apostle
or any other New Testament writer teach that God exists as two individual
beings? I'm still waiting for you to show me. How long do you think it will
take for hell to freeze over.
Who said "God exists as two individual beings"? Where in your twisted,
confused mind did you get that idea?
Until you can correct your definition of the TERM "God" and the TERM
"One" and use those terms as defined by God's Word IN God's Word, there
is little possibility you will comprehend.
If you did not suffer from Delusion and Confusion, you MIGHT (might, I
say) MIGHT comprehend that God the Father is NOT His own Son, and the
Son of God is NOT His own Father.
If there were ANY Single Detail Central to the Gospel, the FOUNDATION of
the Gospel, it is that Jesus is the Son of God... and until you can
comprehend THAT Single Detail without adulteration or confusion, your
faith rests on fragile ground. Mat 16:16, John 11:27 and others.
But, hope seems to dim with each exchange of posts.
Glenn
His witness
--
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
Note, the site at xprt.net will close 1Sept07 and open as
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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16 Aug 2007 06:58:17 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:15:09 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:20:48 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
john w <johnw wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:24:54 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:
Looking for Scripture which teaches doctrine of a triune god.
That's been presented more times than I can count.
That is a lie: you and others keep presenting your 'interpretation' of
some scripture -- which in fact often has NO relation to the actual
words quoted.
You 'trinitarians' keep presen6ting your 'doctrine' -- obviously blind
to the fact that your doctrine is NOT *IN* God's Word.
You keep pointing your finger at Trinitarians - obviously blind to the fact
that your "Twinity doctrine" is NOT *IN* God's Word. Where did Paul the apostle
or any other New Testament writer teach that God exists as two individual
beings? I'm still waiting for you to show me. How long do you think it will
take for hell to freeze over.
Who said "God exists as two individual beings"? Where in your twisted,
confused mind did you get that idea?
It came from your twisted, confused mind - per the link you provided.
http://tinyurl.com/2lw6ev
Your exact quote:
TWO BEINGS, UNIQUE, INDIVIDUAL
Since is is clear, and undeniable, that
1.) Jesus received Authority and Power to rule from His Father, and that,
2.) He (Jesus) will put down all power and authority,
Therefore Jesus the Son, and God the Father, are not the same being.
You claim they're both God and yet two beings, unique & individual. So I ask
again - Where did Paul the apostle or any other New Testament writer teach
that God exists as two individual beings?
Until you can correct your definition of the TERM "God" and the TERM
"One" and use those terms as defined by God's Word IN God's Word,
You mean like you - adding words that are not there. That's your game - not
mine. The term "one is an adjective - and Webster provides the primary
definition as "a single unit" - and as much as you want you can't get around
that.
there
is little possibility you will comprehend.
If you did not suffer from Delusion and Confusion, you MIGHT (might, I
say) MIGHT comprehend that
God the Father is NOT His own Son, and the
Son of God is NOT His own Father.
That doesn't prove two different beings - and your opinion to the contrary is
void of any kind of scriptural evidence.
If there were ANY Single Detail Central to the Gospel, the FOUNDATION of
the Gospel, it is that Jesus is the Son of God... and until you can
comprehend THAT Single Detail without adulteration or confusion, your
faith rests on fragile ground.
Nice projection - something you're obviously highly skilled at.
Mat 16:16, John 11:27 and others.
But, hope seems to dim with each exchange of posts.
Yes, it does - because you steadfastly refuse to provide any kind of
scriptural evidence that proves the Father and the Son are two individual
beings. You simply spew your own brand of heresy which is not unlike the
heresy of the Trinity doctrine - but in your case you simply truncate it to a
2-people Twinity doctrine.
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16 Aug 2007 09:17:47 PM |
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Jim wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:15:09 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote:
Jim wrote:
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