Religions > Bible > MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood)
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23 Jan 2005 01:21:23 AM |
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MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO: EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT
HISTORY COULD REPEAT ITSELF
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Glaciologist Lonnie Thompson worries that he may
have found clues that show history repeating itself, and if he is
right, the result could have important implications to modern society.
Thompson has spent his career trekking to the far corners of the world
to find remote ice fields and then bring back cores drilled from their
centers. Within those cores are the records of ancient climate from
across the globe.
Lonnie Thompson
From the mountains of data drawn by analyzing countless ice cores, and
a meticulous review of sometimes obscure historic records, Thompson
and his research team at Ohio State University are convinced that the
global climate has changed dramatically.
But more importantly, they believe it has happened at least once
before, and the results were nearly catastrophic to emerging cultures
at the time. He outlined his interpretations and fears today at the
annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco.
A professor of geological sciences at Ohio State and a researcher with
the Byrd Polar Research Center, Thompson points to markers in numerous
records suggesting that the climate was altered suddenly some 5,200
years ago with severe impacts.
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Evidence shows that around 5,200 years ago, solar output first dropped
precipitously and then surged over a short period. It is this huge
solar energy oscillation that Thompson believes may have triggered the
climate change he sees in all those records.
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He points to perfectly preserved plants he discovered that recently
emerged from the Quelccaya ice cap in the Peruvian Andes as that
glacier retreats. This monstrous glacier, some 551 feet (168 meters)
deep, has shown an exponentially increasing rate of retreat since his
first observations in 1963.
The plants were carbon-dated to determine their age and tests
indicated they had been buried by the ice for perhaps 5,200 years.
That suggests that somehow, the climate had shifted suddenly and
severely to capture the plants and preserve them until now.
In 1991, hikers found the preserved body of a man trapped in an Alpine
glacier and freed as it retreated. Later tests showed that the human –
dubbed Oetzi – became trapped and died around 5,200 years ago.
Thompson points to a study of tree rings from Ireland and England that
span a period of 7,000 years. The point in that record when the tree
rings were narrowest – suggesting the driest period experienced by the
trees – was approximately 5,200 years ago.
He points to ice core records showing the ratio of two oxygen isotopes
retrieved from the ice fields atop Africa's Mount Kilimanjaro. A proxy
for atmospheric temperature at the time snow fell, the records are at
their lowest 5,200 years before now.
He lists the shift by the Sahara Desert from a habitable region to a
barren desert; major changes in plant pollen uncovered from lakebed
cores in South America, and the record lowest levels of methane
retrieved from ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica and all
occurred at the same time – 5,200 years ago.
"Something happened back at this time and it was monumental," Thompson
said. "But it didn't seem monumental to humans then because there were
only approximately 250 million people occupying the planet, compared
to the 6.4 billion we now have.
"The evidence clearly points back to this point in history and to some
event that occurred. It also points to similar changes occurring in
today's climate as well," he said.
"To me, these are things we really need to be concerned about."
The impact of a climate change of that magnitude on a modern world
would be tremendous, he said. Seventy percent of the population lives
in the world's tropics and major climate changes would directly impact
most of them.
Thompson believes that the 5,200-year old event may have been caused
by a dramatic fluctuation in solar energy reaching the earth.
Scientists know that a historic global cooling called the Little Ice
Age, from 1450 to 1850 A.D., coincided with two periods of decreased
solar activity.
Evidence shows that around 5,200 years ago, solar output first dropped
precipitously and then surged over a short period. It is this huge
solar energy oscillation that Thompson believes may have triggered the
climate change he sees in all those records.
"The climate system is remarkably sensitive to natural variability,"
he said. "It's likely that it is equally sensitive to effects brought
on by human activity, changes like increased greenhouse gases, altered
land-use policies and fossil-fuel dependence.
"Any prudent person would agree that we don't yet understand the
complexities with the climate system and, since we don't, we should be
extremely cautious in how much we ‘tweak' the system," he said.
"The evidence is clear that a major climate change is underway."
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The bible puts the global flood to around 4500 years ago!
End
times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
24 Jan 2005 11:31:55 AM |
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On 22 Jan 2005 23:21:23 -0800, (martus) wrote:
The bible puts the global flood to around 4500 years ago!
If there had been a global flood, the glaciers and ice caps that
scientist was researching wouldn't be there! Ice floats you know!
## Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has.
Martin Luther
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
24 Jan 2005 10:39:46 AM |
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On 22 Jan 2005 23:21:23 -0800, after pondering deep
thoughts, (martus) spake thusly:
MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO: EVIDENCE SUGGESTS THAT
HISTORY COULD REPEAT ITSELF
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Glaciologist Lonnie Thompson worries that he may
have found clues that show history repeating itself, and if he is
right, the result could have important implications to modern society.
Thompson has spent his career trekking to the far corners of the world
to find remote ice fields and then bring back cores drilled from their
centers. Within those cores are the records of ancient climate from
across the globe.
Lonnie Thompson
From the mountains of data drawn by analyzing countless ice cores, and
a meticulous review of sometimes obscure historic records, Thompson
and his research team at Ohio State University are convinced that the
global climate has changed dramatically.
But more importantly, they believe it has happened at least once
before, and the results were nearly catastrophic to emerging cultures
at the time. He outlined his interpretations and fears today at the
annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco.
A professor of geological sciences at Ohio State and a researcher with
the Byrd Polar Research Center, Thompson points to markers in numerous
records suggesting that the climate was altered suddenly some 5,200
years ago with severe impacts.
This is so stupid. The world went through the Ice Age.
Of course the climate changed.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
24 Jan 2005 11:36:39 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:39:46 GMT, Pastor Dave
<newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
A professor of geological sciences at Ohio State and a researcher with
the Byrd Polar Research Center, Thompson points to markers in numerous
records suggesting that the climate was altered suddenly some 5,200
years ago with severe impacts.
This is so stupid. The world went through the Ice Age.
Of course the climate changed.
Sure. But the scientists discovery is that the change came on very
suddenly.
## All commercial jets have a black box. So do most blondes.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
26 Jan 2005 12:52:52 AM |
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For Noah to walk on dry land after the global flood the water had to
have been stored somewhere! Ice piled up on land is one form of
storage, underground is another!
End
times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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| Title: Re: MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
26 Jan 2005 07:29:50 PM |
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wrote:
For Noah to walk on dry land after the global flood the water had to
have been stored somewhere! Ice piled up on land is one form of
storage, underground is another!
End
times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
The Lrod had a mighty straw and drank all the waters. Later, he peed in the cold
space beyond Uranus and created Neptune.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: MAJOR CLIMATE CHANGE OCCURRED 5,200 YEARS AGO(Noah's flood) |
26 Jan 2005 07:22:19 AM |
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On 25 Jan 2005 22:52:52 -0800, wrote:
For Noah to walk on dry land after the global flood the water had to
have been stored somewhere! Ice piled up on land is one form of
storage, underground is another!
The Greenland Icecap and the Antarctic Icecap consist of thousands of
layers of annual precipitation. It is so dark and cold in Antarctica
in winter that the snow that falls never melts, even briefly, until
the warm, sunlit summer months when a crust of ice is formed. Thus if
you dig down you will find clearly discernible layers of each
previous winter's snowfall. The deeper you go the thinner these layers
become as the snow is compressed to ice crystals and the air is mostly
squeezed out of them. A few dozen feet down you hit solid ice and in
that the annual layers show clearly as bands that are closer and
closer together the deeper you go.
In Antarctica, core drills have been used to drill down all the way
through 3 miles of accumulated ice, and the bands have been counted
for about half that distance, or 50,000 years of accumulation. Below
that level the bands are no longer discernible but probably indicate
another 50,000 years worth. For details see:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icecores.html
Now these ice varves contain lots of evidence of past events. There
are small amounts of volcanic ash enclosed in layers that were laid
down when there were major volcanic eruptions, so we know that each
layer represents one year and one year only. We can also detect any
unusual precipitation. Do we see any around 2000 BCE? Or any earlier
date back 50,000 years? No we don't! No evidence of 40 days and 40
nights of worldwide rainfall.
In addition, if you've ever chucked an ice cube into a cold drink, you
will have noted that ice floats. Now if there was a deluge as high as
Mt Arrarat (17,000 ft) then how is it all that Antarctic and Greenland
ice wasn't floated up off the landmasses on which it lies and broken
up?
Then there are the earth's coral reefs. Coral is a rather fussy
critter. It lives only in salt water, and at shallow depths because
it needs sunlight. Fresh water would kill it, and deep immersion
likewise. So was the Deluge salt water? If so, why didn't it kill off
all the earth's immersed plant life? And all the freshwater fish?
Perhaps it was fresh water? How then did ocean plankton survive, and
all the salt water species? There are fish, like salmon, that can live
in both salt and fresh water, but most can't switch.
And what about the Bristlecone Pines? Long lived trees those. Cross
sections of their trunks give us a read on weather conditions long
ago. The oldest living one is 4767 years old, but some of the fallen,
long dead ones are 9000 years old. No sign of any deluge in their
growth rings though. See http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/dendro.html
Then there's the matter of the salt formations around the Dead Sea.
Why weren't they dissolved in the Deluge? They certainly haven't had
time to form since.
And what about the mud-brick ruins at Jericho? 9000 years old
according to C14 dating, and mud brick doesn't last 5 minutes in a
flood. Of course we know what Creationists have to say about C14 being
unreliable, but if it is, howcome it checks out against
dendrichronology?
And how about diseases? How did their vectors survive the flood?
Typhus, measles, smallpox, polio, gonorrhea and syphilis are just some
of the diseases that cannot survive outside a human host. Did Noah and
family harbour a couple of such diseases each?
## No man understands a truth 'til he has contended against it.
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