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18 Nov 2006 10:48:36 AM |
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Many Religions-What Does It Mean to You? |
PERPLEXED by the vast array of religions with their confusing dogmas,
rituals and practices, and their hostility toward one another, the
tendency of many is to shun all religion. Others no longer have faith
because of certain personal tragedies that they feel God could have
prevented. Still others, on seeing the suffering and injustices among
people in the world, decide that there is no use believing in anything.
And many others, influenced by evolution, turn to atheism and
agnosticism. Do you identify with any of these people and how they feel
about religion?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Nov 2006 07:53:53 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:43:19 -0800, Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
An omniscient "god" already knows the answer to that...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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18 Nov 2006 12:47:34 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
How about the power of prayer restoring an amputated limb, as per Mark
11:24 and many other places in the Gospels. Just one incident will do.
Just one.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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18 Nov 2006 02:10:37 PM |
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"Lord Calvert" <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> wrote in message
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in
a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
How about the power of prayer restoring an amputated limb, as per Mark
11:24 and many other places in the Gospels. Just one incident will do.
Just one.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
'But you're trying to order the Creator of the universe around! *You*, a
mere mortal. 'God doesn't have to listen to, nor allow himself, to be led by
the nose by mere mortals!', the theist will whine and cry in response. But
'just *one* incident', you note, 'will do'. Just one.
Is that *really* to much to ask? Just *one* supernaturally restored
amputated limb in the modern age? And remember the penalty for disbelief in
his Godness: *Eternal* suffering and damnation! What? No 'Doubting Thomas's'
allowed in the modern era?
Greywolf
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:54:02 PM |
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Lord Calvert wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
How about the power of prayer restoring an amputated limb, as per Mark
11:24 and many other places in the Gospels. Just one incident will do.
Just one.
Well as a last resort - try a Benny Hinn show
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Many Religions-What Does It Mean to You? |
19 Nov 2006 01:52:23 AM |
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On 18 Nov 2006 21:54:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <455FD519.E0DAFC0E@netvigator.com>
Lord Calvert wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
How about the power of prayer restoring an amputated limb, as per Mark
11:24 and many other places in the Gospels. Just one incident will do.
Just one.
Well as a last resort - try a Benny Hinn show
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A great way to get your savings amputated.
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:06:01 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
I would certainly require more than a lot of gibberish made up by early humans
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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18 Nov 2006 05:37:46 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
That's not how it works. You tell us what it is, then tell us what
reason there is to think it exists.
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Nov 2006 01:19:01 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6berta_M=E4rie_Fern=E4ndez?=" |
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18 Nov 2006 01:41:38 PM |
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"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in
a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
The Jehovah's Witnesses like Tleilax aka Exlax aka jabriol believe the bible
is "evidence" of a god. Why? Because the Watchtower tells them so!
Jim
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:26:02 PM |
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Rùberta Märie Fernändez wrote:
"J Forbes" <jforbnospam@selectric.org> wrote in message
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Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in
a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
The Jehovah's Witnesses like Tleilax aka Exlax aka jabriol believe the bible
is "evidence" of a god. Why? Because the Watchtower tells them so!
Christians don't believe there are contradictions in the bible.
Why? Because it's not written in the bible that there are any.
[With acknowledgments to Andrew W.]
Jim
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| User: "Tleilax" |
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18 Nov 2006 01:34:06 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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18 Nov 2006 07:59:27 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:34:06 -0800, Tleilax wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
Any "god" worth paying attention to already knows what evidence would
convince and is capable of providing that evidence. Since you don't
present such evidence, you cannot not represent any "god" of any
significance.
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Mark K. Bilbo
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"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned
and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and
the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until
all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic
is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever
before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions
may prove groundless." -Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 11:05:01 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
SMUG Eh? But painfull banal
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:27:02 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
Milan wrote:
I dont identify with any of the examples you provide. I dont believe in a
god because there is not a shred of evidence for such an entity.
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
So obscure is it - your evidence, that it i unrecognisable?
Well that just about sets the level of your myth then
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Nov 2006 03:10:35 PM |
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Tleilax wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
Jim
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:29:02 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Tleilax wrote:
What evidence would you require?
We would require evidence that does not exist, because the gods don't
exist.
Everything that you consider to be evidence has some other
explanation...
Jim
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
They don't understand that had one of them been orphaned at age two and then
been adopted by a Hindu family they would now be groveling to a god that has
the body of a woman and the head of an elephant
Jim
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| User: "Lieken" |
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18 Nov 2006 03:31:52 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
Jim
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:30:04 PM |
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Lieken wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
Jim
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
"Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that frozen
yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much
evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you
give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an
invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to
accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to
require no evidence whatsoever."-[Sam Harris, "The End of Faith"]
"Faith means not wanting to
know what is true".
[Nietzsche]
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Nov 2006 03:49:46 PM |
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Lieken wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
Jim
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
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| User: "Nekojin" |
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18 Nov 2006 04:08:59 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
Jim
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
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| User: "P. Perez" |
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18 Nov 2006 05:13:56 PM |
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"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
You want evidence of the existence of God. But you would be unable
to
recognized said evidence. So, If I get this straight, If somebody
would present to you evidence, you would reject it anyway.
No, because there is no evidence to present!
I realize that you cannot understand this fact. After all, you have
faith...the ultimate method of self-delusion.
Jim
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
You used three different names in this one thread Jabbers.............. why
do you always hide the fact you're a Jehovah's Witness creationist?
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Nov 2006 05:32:50 PM |
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P. Perez wrote:
You used three different names in this one thread Jabbers.............. why
do you always hide the fact you're a Jehovah's Witness creationist?
don't worry, he's not fooling anyone.
Jim
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Nov 2006 05:11:13 PM |
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Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
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| User: "Nekojin" |
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18 Nov 2006 05:16:55 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
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| User: "P. Perez" |
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18 Nov 2006 07:11:50 PM |
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"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
You have faith Jabbers, that if you find some sucker to slash the old
people's throats for you that they will die before help arrives. You have
faith that you will not pay for your crimes..........
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:33:02 PM |
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Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
I do:
"Faith is not a justification, but an admission that
there is no justification. If there are rational
reasons to believe something, then "faith" is
superfluous. If there are no rational reasons to
believe something, then continued belief is, by
definition, irrational."
[Acknowledgements to Godfrey]
What is there in Christianity that does not ultimately boil down to putting
one's belief and faith in men? The Bible? Written by men. Inspired by
God? So men say. Which books are Scripture? The ones chosen by men. What
do they mean? What men (including oneself) say they mean. Illumined by the
Spirit? So men say. What is the Spirit telling you? Whatever you (an
ordinary human) think He is telling you.
Since the Christian God does not show up in person to give us anything to
believe in, the only option available to us is to put our trust in what men
say and think and feel *about* God. To put one's faith in the stories,
superstitions, and subjective thoughts and feelings of men is not faith *in*
God, but faith *about* God, and specifically faith in what *men* believe
about God. Ultimately, it is faith in Man.
[With acknowledgements to Mark Nutter]
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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18 Nov 2006 05:42:40 PM |
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Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
actually, I know quite well what faith is. I'll have no part of it.
Jim
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| User: "bob young" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:34:02 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
actually, I know quite well what faith is. I'll have no part of it.
Jim
It was the schoolboy who said: "Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
[Mark Twain (1835-1910)
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| User: "LightHawk" |
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18 Nov 2006 06:51:57 PM |
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J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13 story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
actually, I know quite well what faith is. I'll have no part of it.
Jim
so you don't belive that the earth is round?
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| User: "P. Perez" |
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18 Nov 2006 07:13:32 PM |
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"LightHawk" <JhemHaddar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Nekojin wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
Lieken wrote:
Fatih? which Faith? what is your defintion of Faith?
that mental process by which you believe things that are not so.
Jim
That is not my Faith. I have Faith, if I throw myself off a 13
story
building I will die. My faith is based on facts.
the throw-yourself-off-the-building example is not part of your
faith.
the god bullcrap is part of your faith.
Jim
Then you do not know the definition of faith.
actually, I know quite well what faith is. I'll have no part of it.
Jim
so you don't belive that the earth is round?
Do you have faith Jabriol, that if you find some sucker to slash the old
people's throats, including the crippled man you made fun of for you that
they will die before help arrives. You have faith that you will not pay for
your religious based crimes..........
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