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18 Nov 2006 10:48:36 AM |
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Many Religions-What Does It Mean to You? |
PERPLEXED by the vast array of religions with their confusing dogmas,
rituals and practices, and their hostility toward one another, the
tendency of many is to shun all religion. Others no longer have faith
because of certain personal tragedies that they feel God could have
prevented. Still others, on seeing the suffering and injustices among
people in the world, decide that there is no use believing in anything.
And many others, influenced by evolution, turn to atheism and
agnosticism. Do you identify with any of these people and how they feel
about religion?
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| User: "Nekojin" |
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| Title: By Chance or by Design? |
18 Nov 2006 05:21:52 PM |
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If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
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| User: "Milan" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
18 Nov 2006 08:00:01 PM |
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"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
I dont know. You tell us. While you are at it, tell us where your Creator
came from and how likely it is for a Creator to start spontaneously.
regards
Milan
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| User: "P. Perez" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
19 Nov 2006 12:45:26 PM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
I dont know. You tell us. While you are at it, tell us where your Creator
came from and how likely it is for a Creator to start spontaneously.
All jabbers will do is answer your questions with a question as the
Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to do. You will never get a clear direct
answer as you can see. He's been doing this for years. This technique is
craftily designed to avoid having to answer questions they have no
reasonable or logical answer for. Some call it their "thought terminating"
maneuver.
regards
Milan
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
21 Nov 2006 11:09:01 PM |
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"P. Perez" wrote:
"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4s9savFua7bnU1@mid.individual.net...
"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163892112.855055.215680@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
I dont know. You tell us. While you are at it, tell us where your Creator
came from and how likely it is for a Creator to start spontaneously.
All jabbers will do is answer your questions with a question as the
Jehovah's Witnesses are taught to do. You will never get a clear direct
answer as you can see. He's been doing this for years. This technique is
craftily designed to avoid having to answer questions they have no
reasonable or logical answer for. Some call it their "thought terminating"
maneuver.
I agree and I am amazed that intelligent human beings
can be prepared to live a whole lifetime doing it.
regards
Milan
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
02 Jan 2007 10:02:36 AM |
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"Milan" <mtklima@yahoo.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163892112.855055.215680@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
I dont know. You tell us. While you are at it, tell us where your Creator
came from and how likely it is for a Creator to start spontaneously.
regards
Milan
Milan,
For those who are interested in how the Bible answers such basic
questions, it tells us about the 'origin' of God at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus the God of the Bible did not 'start off spontaneously', but
always existed, and always will exist.
Sincerely, James
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Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
02 Jan 2007 05:37:09 PM |
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I dont know. You tell us. While you are at it, tell us where your Creator
came from and how likely it is for a Creator to start spontaneously.
regards
Milan
Milan,
For those who are interested in how the Bible answers such basic
questions, it tells us about the 'origin' of God at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus the God of the Bible did not 'start off spontaneously', but
always existed, and always will exist.
then the earth is the same way, thank you for playing.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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19 Nov 2006 01:23:49 AM |
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*yaaaaawn*
Attend school.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "James" |
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02 Jan 2007 03:18:45 PM |
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"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Hello,
Here is an example.
Concerning evolution, in college, and in the scientific circles, most
professors accept evolution as fact, and will speak of it as such. Yet
some of the scientific probabilities that had to happen to make
evolution plausible, makes many scientists quite gullible. (they will
go to any extreme to hang on to their pet theories)
For example, we have within us protein molecules, which are necessary
for our life processes. What are the odds that 1 protein molecule
would randomly form out of a primitive organic "soup"? Evolutionists
admit that it would be about 1 in 10 to the 113th power. (1 followed
by 113 zeros). According to mathematicians, any event that has just
one chance in 10 to the 50th power (1 followed by 50 zeros) is
dismissed as never happening. To get a sense of that number with 113
zeros, it would be greater than the estimated total number of all the
atoms in the universe.
But we are only talking about 1 protein molecule. Some proteins are
used as structural materials, and others as enzymes. Around 2000
enzyme proteins are needed for a cell's functions. What are the
chances of all of these happening at random? 1 chance in 10 to the
40,000th power. (1 followed by 40,000 zeros) The famous astronomer
Fred Hoyle commented on this figure:
"An outrageously small probability, that could not be faced even if
the whole universe consisted of organic soup...If one is not
prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into
the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this
simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court." (Evolution
From Space, p24.)
Sincerely, James
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Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
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| User: "person" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
02 Jan 2007 09:36:41 PM |
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James wrote:
"Nekojin" <ztradi@gmail.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
If there was no Creator, then life must have started spontaneously
by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals
would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the
right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all
would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these
chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how
likely is it for even one such event to take place?
Hello,
Here is an example.
Concerning evolution, in college, and in the scientific circles, most
professors accept evolution as fact, and will speak of it as such. Yet
some of the scientific probabilities that had to happen to make
evolution plausible, makes many scientists quite gullible. (they will
go to any extreme to hang on to their pet theories)
For example, we have within us protein molecules, which are necessary
for our life processes. What are the odds that 1 protein molecule
would randomly form out of a primitive organic "soup"? Evolutionists
admit that it would be about 1 in 10 to the 113th power. (1 followed
by 113 zeros). According to mathematicians, any event that has just
one chance in 10 to the 50th power (1 followed by 50 zeros) is
dismissed as never happening. To get a sense of that number with 113
zeros, it would be greater than the estimated total number of all the
atoms in the universe.
If it was random. But it is not random. Evolution is upwards, towards
greater size and/or complexity.
But we are only talking about 1 protein molecule. Some proteins are
used as structural materials, and others as enzymes. Around 2000
enzyme proteins are needed for a cell's functions. What are the
chances of all of these happening at random? 1 chance in 10 to the
40,000th power. (1 followed by 40,000 zeros) The famous astronomer
Fred Hoyle commented on this figure:
"An outrageously small probability, that could not be faced even if
the whole universe consisted of organic soup...If one is not
prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into
the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this
simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court." (Evolution
From Space, p24.)
Sincerely, James
But it does not rule out evolution, it just rules out the concept of
"blind" evolution.
Most adaptions are designed to increase the ability to get a mate.
They have no survival value at all.
Singing and bright colours are of no survival value to song birds.
"Survival of the fittest" was not coined by Darwin, it was the slogan
of eugenicists like Galton.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Jan 2007 04:44:58 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:18:45 -0500, James <bireda@allvantage.com>
wrote:
Concerning evolution, in college, and in the scientific circles, most
professors accept evolution as fact
As much as any observation is a fact, evolution is.
Yet some of the scientific probabilities that had to happen to make
evolution plausible
What plausible? Unless you're a clone of your single parent, you're
an example of changing allele frequencies in a breeding population -
which is what the word "evolution" refers to. Unless the entire world
is composed of perfect clones, evolution happens. And since you're
not a fish ...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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02 Jan 2007 08:18:55 PM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:18:45 -0500, James wrote:
For example, we have within us protein molecules, which are necessary
for our life processes. What are the odds that 1 protein molecule
would randomly form out of a primitive organic "soup"?
You just proved you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"For men become civilized, not in proportion to their
willingness to believe, but in proportion to their
readiness to doubt." - H.L. Mencken
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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18 Nov 2006 07:56:02 PM |
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In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "James" |
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02 Jan 2007 09:51:09 AM |
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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02 Jan 2007 11:35:07 AM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
That's not an asnwer. How did it always exist?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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02 Jan 2007 01:20:40 PM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
How about some objective, verifiable evidence?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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03 Jan 2007 12:15:02 PM |
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James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
===>According to ONE MAN,
a POET who IMAGINED that the eternal
Cosmos was the handiwork of some anthropomorphic
being in the sky. -- L.
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| User: "James-Yaqub" |
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03 Jan 2007 01:05:51 AM |
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James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
God may exist before His creation. Consider that The material universe
which God has created is part and parcel with time. "Time" is no more
than a result of an expression of physical dimension. Another
component is "velocity".
God is not physical therefore He exists independently of "time" so
ideas like "before" or "after" have no meaning when considering Him.
God may not be said to "be" in a "place", rather "places" are a
manifestation of Him.
All this is only indicative of our dependence on the creater, for
guidance. It only has importance in acedemic context.
Peace Be Upon Us All,
James-Yaqub
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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03 Jan 2007 01:53:46 PM |
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"James-Yaqub" <gmanc3@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:1167807951.006025.169760@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
God may exist before His creation.
What god?
Consider that The material universe
which God has created is part and parcel with time.
Which god?
"Time" is no more
than a result of an expression of physical dimension. Another
component is "velocity".
God is not physical therefore
What god?
He exists independently of "time" so
ideas like "before" or "after" have no meaning when considering Him.
Him who?
God may not be said to "be" in a "place", rather "places" are a
manifestation of Him.
See above.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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04 Jan 2007 01:45:45 AM |
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In article <502fl2F1e2guiU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"James-Yaqub" <gmanc3@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:1167807951.006025.169760@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
God may exist before His creation.
What god?
Consider that The material universe
which God has created is part and parcel with time.
Which god?
The god who wasn't there.
"As I was walking up the stair
I met a god who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today.
I wish, I wish he'd stay away."
Apologies to - Hughes Mearns
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "James-Yaqub" |
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03 Jan 2007 04:27:58 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"James-Yaqub" <gmanc3@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:1167807951.006025.169760@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
God may exist before His creation.
What god?
Consider that The material universe
which God has created is part and parcel with time.
Which god?
"Time" is no more
than a result of an expression of physical dimension. Another
component is "velocity".
God is not physical therefore
What god?
He exists independently of "time" so
ideas like "before" or "after" have no meaning when considering Him.
Him who?
God may not be said to "be" in a "place", rather "places" are a
manifestation of Him.
See above.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Robyn,
There is only one God.
We Muslims do not put a name upon God. The word "Allah" is Arabic for
"God". Others call Him Jehovah or Yawyeh or Jesus, etc...
Names only have temporal importance as men and women can thus have a
convenient reference to their particular beliefs. God does not care
what we call Him. It is we who seem inclined to make it an issue of
importance.
In order to heigthen our understanding, set aside the aspect of "name".
Without a name God still exists, doesn't He? Then consider His
universality. When we insist upon a particular name for God we might
as well be saying that "our" access to Him is a bit better than others'
and now other men must come into compliance or not have access to the
truth (and it's benefits) that we hold. We thus abridge or limit the
universality which He Himself has ordained and this, by human
personality based edicts.
Naming God thus results in the further division of Humanity. This is
something which is certainly not advantageous in these times.
When I refer to God in a post, please be assured that mean the Creator
and that you may think of the name of your preference when reading what
I write, being assured that we both envision that same Great Entity.
May God Bless us all in these times...
James-Yaqub
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03 Jan 2007 04:38:50 PM |
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Robyn, I failed to notice your signature...
When our brothers and sisters who revere nature's manifest lives do so,
they are working in concert with those elementals and others beings who
are the intermediaries, the shapers of form, the "engineers" of
evolutionary change, for God, near to and in the Earth.
When done correctly there is great beauty in this ancient practice.
I like to think of a harmoneous whole and to acknowledge everyone's
approach.
Blessed Be,
James-Yaqub
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04 Jan 2007 07:29:06 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 14:27:58 -0800, James-Yaqub wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"James-Yaqub" <gmanc3@operamail.com> wrote in message
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James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
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God may exist before His creation.
What god?
Consider that The material universe
which God has created is part and parcel with time.
Which god?
"Time" is no more
than a result of an expression of physical dimension. Another
component is "velocity".
God is not physical therefore
What god?
He exists independently of "time" so
ideas like "before" or "after" have no meaning when considering Him.
Him who?
God may not be said to "be" in a "place", rather "places" are a
manifestation of Him.
See above.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
Robyn,
There is only one God.
Prove it exists.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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[God explaining the doctrine of free will.]
"In order not to impair human liberty, I will be ignorant
of what I know, I will thicken upon my eyes the veils
I have pierced, and in my blind clear-sightedness I will
let myself be surprised by what I have foreseen."
- Anatole France
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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05 Jan 2007 04:48:00 PM |
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On 2 Jan 2007 23:05:51 -0800, "James-Yaqub" <gmanc3@operamail.com>
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God is not physical
So your god doesn't objectively exist. I'm glad we cleared that up.
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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02 Jan 2007 09:54:59 AM |
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James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
"According to Scripture"? Don't you have any corroborating evidence beyond *that* piece of crap?
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
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Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "James" |
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02 Jan 2007 09:53:28 AM |
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Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
02 Jan 2007 09:56:26 AM |
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James wrote:
Don Kresch <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com>
Re: By Chance or by Design?
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
Don,
The Bible answers that question at Ps 90:2,
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the
world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (NIV)
Thus according to Scripture, God always existed.
"According to Scripture"? Don't you have any corroborating evidence beyond *that* crap?
Sincerely, James
***********************************
Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
***********************************
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "LightHawk" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
18 Nov 2006 08:32:25 PM |
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
where did Matter and Energy comes from?
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| User: "Milan" |
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18 Nov 2006 08:42:56 PM |
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"LightHawk" <JhemHaddar@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
where did Matter and Energy comes from?
Let's get the question about the Creator out of the way, first. Later we can
talk about matter and energy. Where did the creator come from?
regards
Milan
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: By Chance or by Design? |
19 Nov 2006 11:18:05 AM |
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In alt.atheism On Sun, 19 Nov 2006 02:42:56 -0000, "Milan"
<mtklima@yahoo.com> let us all know that:
"LightHawk" <JhemHaddar@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163903545.302741.294300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
where did Matter and Energy comes from?
Let's get the question about the Creator out of the way, first. Later we can
talk about matter and energy. Where did the creator come from?
Yes, don't we just love how the idiots who posit a creator
always gloss over where the creator came from? They just say "the
creator is uncreated" and hope that no one will ask why they are
breaking their own rule, since they haven't got an answer.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "LightHawk" |
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18 Nov 2006 09:16:45 PM |
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Milan wrote:
"LightHawk" <JhemHaddar@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1163903545.302741.294300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Don Kresch wrote:
In alt.atheism On 18 Nov 2006 15:21:52 -0800, "Nekojin"
<ztradi@gmail.com> let us all know that:
If there was no Creator,
Then where did the creator come from?
where did Matter and Energy comes from?
Let's get the question about the Creator out of the way, first. Later we can
talk about matter and energy. Where did the creator come from?
Misdirection noted.. you first.. energy and matter comes from?
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