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MERRY CHRISTMAS - FAMILY MURDERED BY COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD |
THE ALL-POWERFUL MORON, THE COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD COMMITTS
MURDER, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14915429/detail.html
DENVER -- The lone survivor of a crash on an icy stretch of Interstate 80 in
Wyoming that killed three members of a prominent family is improving, a
family friend said Monday.
A family friend says Katy Parr was in intensive care are Wyoming Medical
Center in Casper recovering from broken ribs and cuts.
"She is awake and alert. She is improving rapidly," Steve Katich said. "She
is expected to be released this week, possibly as early as the day after
Christmas."
Katy's parents and her sister died in a car crash on an icy stretch of
Interstate 80 in Wyoming on Saturday as the family was traveling to see
relatives fro Christmas.
John Parr, 59, a Democratic political consultant who worked with governors,
mayors as well as grassroots community groups; his wife, journalist Sandra
Widener, 53; and 19-year-old daughter Chase were killed after their car was
hit by a tractor-trailer six miles west of Rawlins, the Wyoming Highway
Patrol said Sunday.
In a written statement, Mayor John Hickenlooper and his wife Helen Thorpe
said they cherished their memories of Parr, Widener and Chase.
"They made us better people. They made Denver a better city, and Colorado a
better state. We struggle to comprehend this loss, and our hearts go out to
Katy," they said.
Gov. Bill Ritter said he's been friends with the Parr family for nearly two
decades.
"There is no way to describe the pain of this terrible, terrible tragedy,"
Ritter said. "This is such a devastating loss for the entire community on
so many levels. John and Sandy made untold contributions -- small, large
and every size in between -- and touched untold lives. They were loved by
so many people that you can feel the tears ripple across Colorado today. We
will be in mourning for a long time."
Parr, the co-founder of Denver-based Civic Results, served as president of
the National Civic League from 1985 to 1995 and was a board member of the
Denver Downtown Partnership.
According to a biography posted on Civic Results' Web site, Parr directed
the field organization to help elect ***** Lamm governor of Colorado in 1974
and, in 1983, served as the transition director for Denver Mayor Federico
Pena.
Pena told 7News Parr had most recently worked for Denver A+, a community
group that extensively studied the closure of several Denver Public Schools.
Pena says Parr was about making government better.
"That was his love, that was his passion. It was Sandy's too, so they left
an enormous mark in Denver and throughout state of Colorado."
Widener wrote for The Denver Post's Sunday magazine, Empire, and helped
co-found the alternative weekly newspaper Westword and later worked as a
freelance writer.
Chase was a sophomore at Wesleyan University who had a gift for singing,
performing in "Fiddler in the Roof" in her senior year at East High School
in Denver, said Parr's niece, Kathryn Pfaltzgraff McAllister of Newport
News.
Katy is a senior at East, where she plays soccer, she said.
A candlelight vigil was held at Cheesman Park Sunday night. Many friends of
Katy gathered to offer prayers and strength.
Parent Larry Dunn said, "It's just sad to think she's going to be alone
except fo her aunts and her grandparents here in Denver."
McAllister said Parr and Widener were a team, united in their political
views and intellectual pursuits. She said the historic bungalow where the
family lived was always buzzing with plays and projects.
"They were people who lived life to the fullest," she said. "They got
involved with their friends and neighbors and they knew what it took to make
the world a better place. They thrived on helping other people."
The accident happened as the family was headed to Boise, Idaho to spend
Christmas with Widener's parents and two sisters, McAllister said.
The highway patrol said there was blowing snow and icy conditions as Parr
and his family headed westbound on I-80 in their 2007 Subaru station wagon.
First, their car slid and ended up sideways across the road, toward the
median.
Angela Seeley, 42, of Colorado Springs, Colo. swerved her sport utility
vehicle to avoid the station wagon but clipped its back. The station wagon,
driven by Parr, was then hit by the tractor-trailer. That tractor-trailer
was driven by William R. Bowers of Bremerton, Wash.
Seeley's SUV ran into the back of a snowplow driven by Johnny Frank Woolner
of Rawlins, Wyo. A 2007 Chevy pickup driven by Robert Maxwell of Douglas,
Wyo. avoided the station wagon but hit the SUV.
The crash is still under investigation.
Meanwhile, family and friends try to cope with the loss.
Steve Kadich has known Parr for more than 30 years.
Their daughters grew up together.
"I think more important that his public contributions were the kind of
people that John and Sandy were and the kind of children they had," he said.
"They were a caring, loving and open family. Friends always around their
home, Sandy was a great cook. They were an incredible family, and a loss I
think we're all trying to get our arms around."
Lamm said Parr was indispensable to his governorship.
"John was really one of those people who had broad shoulders and could
handle any task you gave him," said Lamm. "There are things that are beyond
comprehension, and to have a family close to wiped out is certainly one of
them. They were good people and they will be sorely missed."
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| Title: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS - FAMILY MURDERED BY COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD |
25 Dec 2007 10:39:25 PM |
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <killgod@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:13n26bkmeck4dbb@corp.supernews.com...
THE ALL-POWERFUL MORON, THE COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD COMMITTS
MURDER, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "rogue" |
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| Title: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS - FAMILY MURDERED BY COLD-HEARTED BASTARDCHRISTIAN GOD |
26 Dec 2007 01:45:35 AM |
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On Dec 26, 8:39 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com> wrote in message
news:13n26bkmeck4dbb@corp.supernews.com...
THE ALL-POWERFUL MORON, THE COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD COMMITTS
MURDER, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS
CARL
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
JERRY
Then you can count on going straight to hell, Carl, for lying about
needing to believe in the Trinity to be saved when the Bible says no
such thing.
CARL
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
JERRY
Yep, we obviously don't have a clue, do we, Carl? I mean, it's
obvious we're not smart like you and claim that you have to believe
in
the Trinity to be saved, despite the fact that there isn't a single
verse in the bible that supports that claim.
And actually, you don't have to prove or disprove the existence of
God. The burden of proof of God's existence is on the theist anyway,
since they are claiming the supernatural.
What CAN be proven is the factual accuracy of the bible. If the
bible
fails to be historically accurate, it's very likely the bible isn't
true, correct? At least, on history it's not true if you can prove
it's not historically accurate.
And if the bible claims prophecies that obviously could be proven to
have not happened, then the bible would fail on prophecy, correct? I
mean, that's another obvious given.
Finally, if you can show that the different books of the bible
contradict each other when discussing the same event, that would be
pretty accurate that the bible is contradictory, correct?
Now, if the bible fails to be historically accurate, fails on
prophecy
and contradicts itself, that would also be a good indicator that
either the God of the bible didn't exist, or that he lacks the power
to protect his word, or that he doesn't really give a rat's ***** about
mankind at all, would that be a correct conclusion, Carl?
We already know from 1 Samuel 15 that the bible contradicts itself in
the same chapter, where we both see that God "repents" making Saul
king and later in the same chapter says that God never repents.
We also know from 1 Samuel 15 that God isn't omniscient, since he
repents making Saul king, and if he were really omniscient to the
level claimed, that he sees all, past, present and future and that he
knows the falling of the sparrow, he would have already known when he
made Saul king that Saul would disobey him later, therefore why
repent
when he already knew it would happen when he appointed Saul?
We know from the failure of the destruction of the island city of
Tyre
that the prophecy about the destruction of Tyre failed because the
description of the coming devastation doesn't match up to what
happened (Like, Nebs failed to take the city at all, and three
chapters later even Ezekiel admits that Nebs failed and the prophecy
didn't happen)
And, we know from the four gospel accounts of the Resurrection
Morning
that the writers couldn't even get their stories straight a little
bit
(who first saw the risen Jesus? Mary in three of the accounts and
Not
Mary in the fourth - do your own research Carl. I have.).
So, those facts about the bible, from the text, indicates that the
bible isn't true. Therefore, either the god of the bible doesn't
exist, or he doesn't have the power to protect his word (or,
considering Tyre, to make his prophecies come true) or the book is
just mankind dithering about gods or godlike beings that don't really
care about mankind at all, if they even existed. Of course, they
*could* have been aliens from other worlds. That's just as likely as
the claim that they were gods, right Carl? ;-)
And, all of this is available to any person who bothers to read the
bible instead of reading the writings of other believers and
accepting
their stories hook, line and sinker, then copying and pasting them
into newsgroups to share the ignorance, right Carl?
So, the bible says that those who say "there is no god" are fools,
but
that's the same bible that can be *proven* NOT to be the word of any
God, Carl. Therefore, since its just the rantings of incompetent,
superstitious shepherds from 2000 years ago, who cares what they say,
right Carl? ;-)
CARL
All of those so-called contradictions have long since been explained.
Mostly it's due to lack of scriptural understanding or willful ignorance.
JERRY
On who's part? The apologetics I have read indicate that it's the
theist who is making up simplistic explanations that don't fit the
situation (Like McDowall's claims about Tyre, for example). I can
easily shred the explanations of nearly all the apologists I have read
(including the CARM site that Bible John was so enamored with and JP
Holding's (AKA Robert Turkel, who is not a scholar but a prison
librarian and who fancies himself the Rush Limbaugh of the Apologetic
set).
In fact, with very little research on the web you can see where
Farrell Till destroys Turkel in a debate on Yahweh's Failed Land
Promise.
CARL
I suggest Christians read the following books which have
answered all of those false contradictions and more:
Hard Sayings of the Bible by Walter C. Kaiser (Editor), Peter H.
Davids (Contributor), F. F. Bruce (Contributor)
Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties by Gleason Archer
JERRY
I don't really have access to books here in Afghanistan, but I've read
some of Gleason Archer's work several years ago and was less than
impressed with him.
Those two are excellent.
Others worth reading and studying:
Difficulties in the Bible by R. A. Torrey
1001 Bible Questions Answered by William L. Pettingill, R. A. Torrey
The Complete Book of Bible Answers by Ron Rhodes
When Critics Ask by Norman Geisler
Exegetical Fallacies by D. A. Carson
Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible by John W. Haley
JERRY
I saw the video clips of Farrell Till trashing Geisler and I have to
say, he's less than impressive as well.
Also some websites that answer many of them and addresses why critics
and skeptics keep bringing the same old tired ones up again even
though they've been answered:
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm
JERRY
This one only goes to Deuteronomy. Not helpful in the 1 Samuel 15
contradiction. And I have to say, your use of the CARM site, which I
analyzed for Bible John, really doesn't help you much. The man is
intellectually dishonest with his writings and easily refuted. Here
is a quick example of what he writes regarding the contradictory
Creation accounts in Genesis 1 & 2:
" * Genesis 1
- Day one - heavens and earth are created. "Let there be
light." Day and Night.
- Day two - Atmospheric waters separated from earth waters.
- Day three - Land appears separating the seas. Vegetation is
made.
- Day four - Sun, moon, stars are made.
- Day five - Sea life and birds are made.
- Day six - Land animals, creeping things, and man (male and
female) are made.
* Genesis 2
States heaven and earth were created. no plant yet on earth, no
rain yet, no man. but, a mist rose watering the surface of the
ground. Then the Lord formed man from dust of the ground and breathed
into his nostrils the breath of life. Then God made Eve.
There is no contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2. Genesis 1 is
a detailed explanation of the six days of creation, day by day.
Genesis two is a recap and a more detailed explanation of the sixth
day, the day that Adam and Eve were made. The recap is stated in Gen.
2:4, "This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were
created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven." Then,
Moses goes on to detail the creation of Adam and Eve as is seen in
verses 7 thru 24 of Gen. 2. Proof that it is not a creative account
is found in the fact that animals aren't even mentioned until after
the creation of Adam. Why? Probably because their purpose was
designated by Adam. They didn't need to be mentioned until after Adam
was created."
JERRY
What Glenn didn't notice or was intellectually dishonest enough to
intentionally leave out, is that the contradiction is on the *order*
of
creation. In Genesis 1, we see that the whales and all the creatures
of the seas were created on the 5th day, as well as all of the fowl of
the air. Man was created later, on the sixth day.
In Genesis 2, Man was created and THEN all the beasts of the field and
the fowl of the air. Problem was, we saw in the first chapter that
all the fowl of the air were already created BEFORE man was created.
In fact, Glenn's statement: "Proof that it is not a creative account
is found in the fact that animals aren't even mentioned until after
the creation of Adam. Why? Probably because their purpose was
designated by Adam. They didn't need to be mentioned until after Adam
was created."
If they didn't need to be mentioned until after After was created, why
were they mentioned first in the first chapter? Glenn's statement is
actually supportive of the theory that chapter 1 and chapter 2 were
written by two different authors and put together after the fact,
though I'm sure he didn't intend it that way.
CARL
http://www.carm.org/diff/Bible_contradictions.htm
This one doesn't address anything in particular but has this
interesting statement:
"The Originals are Inspired, not the copies."
How does he know? There ARE no originals. Only copies of copies of
copies and the copies show us that the bible has changed over the
years. We can also tell by studying the bible, Carl, that the bible
contains contradictions (showing it's neither reflective of God's
perfection, nor is it protected by God), that it's historically
inaccurate and that it contains failed prophecies.
CARL
http://www.tektonics.org/
JERRY
Turkel, as I mentioned earlier, is a joke. He fancies himself like
Limbaugh and spends his time in a debate attacking and making fun of
his opponent and not addressing the points made. Instead he will
throw out a statement that he can't support and go on with the
attacks. It's the reason he does so little debating, as a
knowledgeable opponent shows that he's unable to address the issues
under debate. He prefers a closed studio, much like his hero, and
wants to screen calls. He "debates" someone by taking their published
work, making fun of it and not giving a chance to the author to rebut
what Turkel has stated. Only the non-discerning reader takes him
seriously. (watching Till kick his ***** around the internet, and
Turkel's growing sputters of outrage were priceless.)
CARL
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/
Doesn't address contradictions/failed prophecies/historical
inaccuracies of the bible except in a very general "the bible is
always right" manner.
In fact, there are a number of better apologetics sites out there.
Heck, even Turkel's very poor attempts are better than christian-
thinktank.
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25 Dec 2007 09:53:42 AM |
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On Dec 25, 9:53=A0am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
THE ALL-POWERFUL MORON, THE COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD COMMITTS
MURDER, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "" |
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25 Dec 2007 12:48:42 PM |
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On Dec 25, 10:53=A0am, wrote:
On Dec 25, 9:53=A0am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
THE ALL-POWERFUL MORON, THE COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD COMMITTS
MURDER, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website --http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog --http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
The Buddha said, "I will raise your dead daughter, but first, bring me
some mustard seeds. However, they must be from a house which has not
tasted suffering".
Death is a part of life and, in fact, something of a necessary one.
Like it or not, death must be so that life can be in this world.
Tragic, yes. Sad, yes. Divine homicide, no.
There you go,
NN
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| User: "Feng" |
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| Title: Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS - FAMILY MURDERED BY COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD |
26 Dec 2007 11:38:00 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:48:42 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Dec 25, 10:53?am, wrote:
On Dec 25, 9:53?am, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
THE ALL-POWERFUL MORON, THE COLD-HEARTED ***** CHRISTIAN GOD COMMITTS
MURDER, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website --http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog --http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
The Buddha said, "I will raise your dead daughter, but first, bring me
some mustard seeds. However, they must be from a house which has not
tasted suffering".
Death is a part of life and, in fact, something of a necessary one.
Like it or not, death must be so that life can be in this world.
Tragic, yes. Sad, yes. Divine homicide, no.
There you go,
NN
I hear Buddha turning in his grave because you misuse his teaching to
justify the horrors of the world.
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