On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:05:33 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, "Elmer Bataitis" <nylicens@yahoo.com>
pontificated:

"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:45:13 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, Elmer Bataitis <nylicens@frontiernet.net>
pontificated:

From: Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com>
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:31:13 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, Elmer Bataitis <nylicens@frontiernet.net>
pontificated:

From: "Sarah" <nospam@nospam.none>
"HoundDog" <hounddog111@elvis.com> wrote in message
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Announced recently was the discovery of a very significant fossil near
Barcelona of a creature that bridges the gap between primitive animals
and human like creatures.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041118/ap_on_sc/human_an
cestor

Once again the march of progress while slow continues to show that
evolution is alive and well despite the objections of a few fundies.
This is IMO one of the most important fossil finds of the new century
and may rewrite to some extent the current theory of "out of Africa"
for humans.

Great. They have discovered that this ape existed. Now what about missing
links?

Really? Care to elaborate on which one is a "missing link" and why?

Sahelanthropus tchadensis
Ardipithecus ramidus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus afarensis
Kenyanthropus platyops
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Australopithecus aethiopicus
Australopithecus robustus
Australopithecus boisei
Homo habilis
Homo georgicus
Homo erectus
Homo ergaster
Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens

Sorry, you don't get off that easy.

Sure I do. So does science.

I'm sorry sir, that isn't true.

Citations to the peerr-reviewed literature, please.

If science is "name it
and claim it", than it is no better than the charlatans
that pretend to be Christian and tell people that they
can get rich that way.

Yeah Dave, we know that you hate what science discovers in studying God's creation, but that's

problem.

Explain each one
and show what fossil evidence is present and then
explain why each one is part of a progression to man.

They has morphological characteristics of modern man, and many are found
associated with crafted artifacts.

I'm sorry, that isn't good enough and is only a claim.

Yeah Dave, we know that you hate what science discovers in studying God's creation, but that's
really your problem, not mine and not science's.

The fact is, that afarensis, just for one example, is
now considered by most experts to be other than an
ancestor to man.

Yes, and....?

And the person posted it above and presented it as an
ancestor to man. You're not that stupid.

Nio Dave I said no such thing in posting that list. Why are you lying?

You knew
that, which is why, "Yes, and...?" was all you could
say.

Yeah Dave, we know that you hate what science discovers in studying God's creation, but that's

problem.

But hey, why get updated, when you
can still tell people that you can demonstrate a fossil
progression. I mean after all, why not keep
perpetuating the lie..

Ahhh so most all scientists are lying just to make you uncomfortable? Why?

Tell me, when you know better and still claim it, isn't
that lying?

Know better than what Dave? I made no claims as to which of these was the *DIRECT* ancestors of

But you knew that and decided to try and portray me as lying. Why?

And if you support it as an ancestor to
man and you know better, then you are lying also.

Well, Dave something was our ancestor and that's a fact. Hominids didn't get miraculously zapped
into existence. Even the bible notes that we were made from preexisting stuff.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/afar.html

Especially when you can say (as this site does), that
it "might be this, or it might be that" (paraphrase).

It might be, might not be too.

It isn't and that is a fact.

Yeah Dave, we know that you hate what science discovers in studying God's creation, but that's

problem.

Lucy was a three foot high, tree dwelling monkey.
Nothing more.

Who walked upright.

Not true. Not like man and the best claim made is that
she "could have walked upright". And just so you know,
since you don't seem to educate yourself beyond the
"name it and claim it" doctrine that you call science,
the big claim about Lucy being bipedal, was that she
had angled femurs and the claim is that monkeys don't.
The fact is, that all tree dwelling monkeys have angled
femurs today as well and yet, you don't claim that they
are ancestors to man. Lucy was a three foot high, tree
dwelling monkey, nothing more.

Yeah Dave, all paleonathropologists and paleonotologists are all lying then eh? Why? Why do you
think these maybe 100,000 people world wide are all lying?

Yet she was put up in a museum when no
hand nor foot bones were found, with human hands and
feet. And when they were later found, were they human?
Of course not.

Of course not Dave, that's why it's a transitional fossil and also why it is
not a Homo sapiens.

And yet, the lie was perpetuated and still is today.
Lucy is still claimed to be an ancestor to man by folks
like you, who never bother to acknowledge that that
just isn't believed by the educated majority anymore
and you keep posting and defending a falsehood, because
you hate to see these fossils taken away from your
supposed tree from ape to man.

Dave you know as well as I that Lucy is a hominid. I never claimed it was a direct ancestor to

so you're lying about that. Why?

But hey, why admit the lie, when you
can keep lying and hand wave away anyone who points
this out?

Dave, point what is a lie.

I did and btw, I can tear down other examples in that
list also. But one is enough to show the dishonesty.

Yeah Dave, we know that you hate what science discovers in studying God's creation, but that's

problem. You might want to think about why you and other fundies do this. Frankly I think it's
because you have no faith in God at all.

Let me translate his words for you folks...

Sulu: "Captain, we are under attack and their weapons
are too strong for us. Shields are down and they're
getting ready to fire again!

Kirk: "Sulu, evasive maneuvers!"