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Religions > Bible |
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"Joseph Geloso" |
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08 Feb 2004 09:27:18 AM |
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My religion is Real |
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 12:40:27 PM |
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"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
Do you mean "Gallicanism"?
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=Gallicanism&x=3&y=12
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 12:59:46 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 18:40:27 GMT, "Zachriel" <angel@zachriel.com>
wrote:
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
Do you mean "Gallicanism"?
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=Gallicanism&x=3&y=12
No, I meant what I wrote. Gallicanism has to do with national
churches. Gelosianism only has to do with me.
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| User: "Og" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 10:17:00 AM |
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"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
What's Gelosianism ?
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 10:48:45 AM |
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:17:00 -0500, "Og" <Og@bashan.org> wrote:
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
What's Gelosianism ?
That would be my own subjective interpretation of things, my own
ideas, as contrasted with the objectively known Roman Catholic
religion. I am a Geloso, thus "Gelosianism."
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| User: "Og" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 12:10:43 PM |
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What's Gelosianism ?
That would be my own subjective interpretation of things, my own
ideas, as contrasted with the objectively known Roman Catholic
religion. I am a Geloso, thus "Gelosianism."
I see.
How long has it been since you left your
imaginary religion to become Catholic?
Og
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 12:57:12 PM |
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On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:10:43 -0500, "Og" <Og@bashan.org> wrote:
What's Gelosianism ?
That would be my own subjective interpretation of things, my own
ideas, as contrasted with the objectively known Roman Catholic
religion. I am a Geloso, thus "Gelosianism."
I see.
How long has it been since you left your
imaginary religion to become Catholic?
It is a lifelong process.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 11:21:38 AM |
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"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
Yes, Joseph, Catholicism certainly exists. Your *religion* is real. Your
*god*, on the other hand......
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 11:05:38 AM |
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"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
Your religion is as real as me watching a Peter Pan movie.
The action is real, the focus of that action, fantasy!
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 07:18:04 PM |
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All religions are creations of mankind. They are not of God and stand
against God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
09 Feb 2004 01:02:04 AM |
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"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:18:04 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
All religions are creations of mankind. They are not of God and stand
against God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
How can you make such a sweeping generalization? Maybe you just
haven't found the true religion yet. Doesn't mean there isn't one.
Since you call yourself, "Son of God," how do you know of God in the
first place?
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
09 Feb 2004 08:38:32 AM |
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Religionists always amaze me. Most believe the only way to know God or know
about God is through religion. Religion is a creation of mankind created as
a replacement for the Living God. Religionists fill their minds with
beliefs, not knowledge. They do not know God, they merely know what
religious teachers say about God.
So Joseph Geloso, do you know God or do you merely know what other
religionists say about God? Why do you prefer the word of religionists
instead of the Word from God?
I know God as God is, not as religions say.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l2ce2052quinkuk1ea71gb6rcntpskrtaf@4ax.com...
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:18:04 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
All religions are creations of mankind. They are not of God and stand
against God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
How can you make such a sweeping generalization? Maybe you just
haven't found the true religion yet. Doesn't mean there isn't one.
Since you call yourself, "Son of God," how do you know of God in the
first place?
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
09 Feb 2004 01:20:33 PM |
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"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l2ce2052quinkuk1ea71gb6rcntpskrtaf@4ax.com...
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies, to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:18:04 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
All religions are creations of mankind. They are not of God and stand
against God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
How can you make such a sweeping generalization? Maybe you just
haven't found the true religion yet. Doesn't mean there isn't one.
Since you call yourself, "Son of God," how do you know of God in the
first place?
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:38:32 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
Religionists always amaze me.
You, have yet to amaze me. I'm watching, though. Waiting.
Most believe the only way to know God or know
about God is through religion.
Assume I'm neither a "religionist" nor "most." Might help you to talk
to *me*.
Religion is a creation of mankind created as
a replacement for the Living God.
No.
Religionists fill their minds with
beliefs, not knowledge. They do not know God, they merely know what
religious teachers say about God.
Many of the folks who go to Church are just trying to be good people,
and they find Church helps them with that. And you know what? There's
nothing wrong with that, at all. If you want to think you're "better"
than that or "more enlightened" than that, maybe you have missed the
point. Or, maybe you really have something to say. I'm waiting. Put up
or shut up.
So Joseph Geloso, do you know God or do you merely know what other
religionists say about God?
I know God.
Why do you prefer the word of religionists
instead of the Word from God?
Why do you assume that?
I know God as God is, not as religions say.
DW Suiter
Son of God
False dichotomy. There is a true religion in the world.
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
09 Feb 2004 08:21:08 PM |
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You are merely another blind, deaf, and spiritually dead religionist. You do
not know God. You know false religious doctrine concerning God. God is only
revealed and known to those God has fathered; the Sons of God.
All others are strangers and of another father other than God. "Bastards" as
Paul declared of you. Religionists have no right to name God as their
"Father." They have not been fathered by God but by religions of mankind.
Your babble proves nothing except your lack of knowledge of and concerning
God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0bnf20tdpnftae48u2q6kvvtrc7jfppula@4ax.com...
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l2ce2052quinkuk1ea71gb6rcntpskrtaf@4ax.com...
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lalc20dgurtibt4d8fkfhmqjjdt2f4mfkl@4ax.com...
This is basically a response, without getting involved in that
thread,
to "your religion is phony, fake, and false." Anyone who speaks that
about MY religion has got one or more of the following troubles, and
they need to clear it up for themselves:
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
2. They may not know the first thing about me and thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus
they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
My religion is not Gelosianism, but Catholicism. I have abandoned
the
practice of Gelosianism to the extent that I am able, and I trust
God
to do the rest. For me, the entire process of Religion is my own
means
of conversion from Gelosianism with any of its attendant heresies,
to
Catholicism. God knows the sincerity of my heart. Sincerity of heart
is what is known by me as being Real. (See my post entitled, "Real,
Reality, Sovereignty, Dominion, Domination." on
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic)
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:18:04 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
All religions are creations of mankind. They are not of God and stand
against God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
How can you make such a sweeping generalization? Maybe you just
haven't found the true religion yet. Doesn't mean there isn't one.
Since you call yourself, "Son of God," how do you know of God in the
first place?
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 06:38:32 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
Religionists always amaze me.
You, have yet to amaze me. I'm watching, though. Waiting.
Most believe the only way to know God or know
about God is through religion.
Assume I'm neither a "religionist" nor "most." Might help you to talk
to *me*.
Religion is a creation of mankind created as
a replacement for the Living God.
No.
Religionists fill their minds with
beliefs, not knowledge. They do not know God, they merely know what
religious teachers say about God.
Many of the folks who go to Church are just trying to be good people,
and they find Church helps them with that. And you know what? There's
nothing wrong with that, at all. If you want to think you're "better"
than that or "more enlightened" than that, maybe you have missed the
point. Or, maybe you really have something to say. I'm waiting. Put up
or shut up.
So Joseph Geloso, do you know God or do you merely know what other
religionists say about God?
I know God.
Why do you prefer the word of religionists
instead of the Word from God?
Why do you assume that?
I know God as God is, not as religions say.
DW Suiter
Son of God
False dichotomy. There is a true religion in the world.
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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10 Feb 2004 02:35:42 AM |
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On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:21:08 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
You are merely another blind, deaf, and spiritually dead religionist. You do
not know God. You know false religious doctrine concerning God. God is only
revealed and known to those God has fathered; the Sons of God.
All others are strangers and of another father other than God. "Bastards" as
Paul declared of you. Religionists have no right to name God as their
"Father." They have not been fathered by God but by religions of mankind.
Your babble proves nothing except your lack of knowledge of and concerning
God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Can you back those assumptions with any statable facts? Or are you
just meting out judgment, with the expectation you will not be judged
according to the same judgment you are meting out?
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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10 Feb 2004 09:09:16 AM |
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The "judgment of God" is the ability to judge all things as God judges. This
"judgment" comes on man whenever man receives the fulfilling of the promise
of God, the creation of a new mind and spirit. It is called the "judgment
seat of Christ." Whosoever receiving the new mind and spirit from God has
received the mind and spirit of Christ and sits on this judgment "seat."
I judge according to this mind and spirit.
It is the will of God that all mankind enter into the way taught by Jesus of
Nazareth, a way in and by which man is "adopted" or taken in by God and
transformed into a new creation; a creation of mind and spirit according to
the image God has predestined man to be, His Son.
All who enter into and follow this way receive equal portion with Jesus of
Nazareth in all he received from God. These, are the Sons of God.
Religion of man cannot create this mind and spirit, for man and his religion
cannot save mankind. Only God saves mankind in and by this way.
Religions are creations of mankind, created as a replacement for God and the
way God established for salvation.
Religions are founded on mere belief. The way established by God is a way
established on sure knowledge for the greater gifts from God include
knowledge and understanding. By these, which is truth from God, the mind is
created and filled with this spirit, which God alone inspires in the mind.
This, is the way God writes or engraves His Word in the inner parts of
mankind.
Unless God does these works all works of man are in vain and are vanity.
Such are the vain works of religion.
The reality of God is not taught by religionists. Jesus of Nazareth taught
the reality of God and the reality of asking and receiving the fulfilling of
the promise of God from God.
Religionists do not teach the reality of the promise of God; what it is; how
it is received. Why? They are not of God.
If you were "of" God you would be teaching this same way for all who have
gone this way receive the promise of God and teach others this way so they
also may be saved by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nu5h20lqc507poapou1e7flau1upnci5ar@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:21:08 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
You are merely another blind, deaf, and spiritually dead religionist. You
do
not know God. You know false religious doctrine concerning God. God is
only
revealed and known to those God has fathered; the Sons of God.
All others are strangers and of another father other than God. "Bastards"
as
Paul declared of you. Religionists have no right to name God as their
"Father." They have not been fathered by God but by religions of mankind.
Your babble proves nothing except your lack of knowledge of and
concerning
God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Can you back those assumptions with any statable facts? Or are you
just meting out judgment, with the expectation you will not be judged
according to the same judgment you are meting out?
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| User: "Joseph Geloso" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
10 Feb 2004 06:07:00 PM |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:09:16 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
The "judgment of God" is the ability to judge all things as God judges. This
"judgment" comes on man whenever man receives the fulfilling of the promise
of God, the creation of a new mind and spirit. It is called the "judgment
seat of Christ." Whosoever receiving the new mind and spirit from God has
received the mind and spirit of Christ and sits on this judgment "seat."
I judge according to this mind and spirit.
Then if you are my judge, I want a fair trial with witnesses.
It is the will of God that all mankind enter into the way taught by Jesus of
Nazareth, a way in and by which man is "adopted" or taken in by God and
transformed into a new creation; a creation of mind and spirit according to
the image God has predestined man to be, His Son.
All who enter into and follow this way receive equal portion with Jesus of
Nazareth in all he received from God. These, are the Sons of God.
Only if they traverse the course the whole way, enduring everything to
reach the end. Beginners do not automatically have the Mind of Christ.
The Mind of Christ is not a prerequisite for Salvation; only Love is
that. For Salvation, it is sufficient to trust in God, and to trust in
His Church. Trust in God guarantees Salvation. Trust in His Church
accomplishes the fact. God has provided enough members of His Body,
the Church, with the Mind of Christ, to instruct the rest and lead
them to holiness.
Religion of man cannot create this mind and spirit, for man and his religion
cannot save mankind. Only God saves mankind in and by this way.
Yet there is a distinction between the religion of man and the True
Religion of God. Let us posit this true religion and leave it unnamed
for the time being. Let us assume only that God could, if He desired,
found a Church, and that if He did, it would be good to find that
Church, and consequently, it will be good for us to assess the various
claims of those different religions, at the least, who bear the name
"Christian." Since, in fact, there are specific promises given in the
Book of Revelations (Apocalypse) to those who "have kept my plea to
stand fast, and have not denied my Name," it would be imprudent to
dismiss out of hand all those who bear the Holy Name, without first
investigating the matter thoroughly.
Religions are creations of mankind, created as a replacement for God and the
way God established for salvation.
Yet God founded His Church. So are you saying the Church is not a
religion, or that God did not found the Church?
Religions are founded on mere belief. The way established by God is a way
established on sure knowledge for the greater gifts from God include
knowledge and understanding. By these, which is truth from God, the mind is
created and filled with this spirit, which God alone inspires in the mind.
That does not automatically mean that every thought in your mind comes
from God.
This, is the way God writes or engraves His Word in the inner parts of
mankind.
Before Knowedge or Understanding, before Counsel or Piety, before
Wisdom or Fortitude, before the Fear of the Lord, there is Love. Love
always comes first, before Knowledge or Piety, before Wisdom or
Understanding, before Counsel of Fortitude, before the Fear of the
Lord. Love, always comes first.
Unless God does these works all works of man are in vain and are vanity.
Such are the vain works of religion.
The reality of God is not taught by religionists.
Yet the Master said of the Pharisees that they did teach the reality
of God, just that they failed to provide an example. So it would
appear that at least in principle the same is true of the Church.
Except where an Exemplar shows up in the Church, of course, as in the
case of God's Saints.
Jesus of Nazareth taught
the reality of God and the reality of asking and receiving the fulfilling of
the promise of God from God.
But that promise did not include your sitting in judgment over me.
Religionists do not teach the reality of the promise of God; what it is; how
it is received. Why? They are not of God.
Then you should not be including me in your category of "religionist."
If you were "of" God you would be teaching this same way for all who have
gone this way receive the promise of God and teach others this way so they
also may be saved by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nu5h20lqc507poapou1e7flau1upnci5ar@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:21:08 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
You are merely another blind, deaf, and spiritually dead religionist. You
do
not know God. You know false religious doctrine concerning God. God is
only
revealed and known to those God has fathered; the Sons of God.
All others are strangers and of another father other than God. "Bastards"
as
Paul declared of you. Religionists have no right to name God as their
"Father." They have not been fathered by God but by religions of mankind.
Your babble proves nothing except your lack of knowledge of and
concerning
God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Can you back those assumptions with any statable facts? Or are you
just meting out judgment, with the expectation you will not be judged
according to the same judgment you are meting out?
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
10 Feb 2004 10:09:43 PM |
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I judged your word. You revealed yourself in your word; your mind and
spirit.
There was no "church" created nor established by God. The word "church"
refers to "temple" and this temple in matters of God refers to the temple of
the Holy Spirit of God. It is a particular type and kind of person who is
this temple of this Holy Spirit of God. Whosoever in whom God has written
His Word. This true "church" was described in scripture as "the invisible
church of the firstborn." It is not a structure built by the hands of man
nor is it a group of people.
From God alone, comes the Living Word of God. This alone, saves mankind.
Religions of man can not and do not for they are not of God.
Some of the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth were saved by God, when following
the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. They did not subscribe to any religion.
They obeyed God. God has no part with the religions of man and the religions
of man have no part with God.
God alone is sufficient for any person and man has no need of the religions
of man. To belong to religion or to follow a religion's teachings is an
abomination to God. The abomination of the desolate are those religious
heads and teachers who have seated themselves in the seat of "Teacher of
Truth" which only God is to be honored in.
Religions prevent man from coming to God. They do not know nor do they teach
the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8hai201ijn844vejifvh0i8uai98s1962e@4ax.com...
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:09:16 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
The "judgment of God" is the ability to judge all things as God judges.
This
"judgment" comes on man whenever man receives the fulfilling of the
promise
of God, the creation of a new mind and spirit. It is called the "judgment
seat of Christ." Whosoever receiving the new mind and spirit from God has
received the mind and spirit of Christ and sits on this judgment "seat."
I judge according to this mind and spirit.
Then if you are my judge, I want a fair trial with witnesses.
It is the will of God that all mankind enter into the way taught by Jesus
of
Nazareth, a way in and by which man is "adopted" or taken in by God and
transformed into a new creation; a creation of mind and spirit according
to
the image God has predestined man to be, His Son.
All who enter into and follow this way receive equal portion with Jesus
of
Nazareth in all he received from God. These, are the Sons of God.
Only if they traverse the course the whole way, enduring everything to
reach the end. Beginners do not automatically have the Mind of Christ.
The Mind of Christ is not a prerequisite for Salvation; only Love is
that. For Salvation, it is sufficient to trust in God, and to trust in
His Church. Trust in God guarantees Salvation. Trust in His Church
accomplishes the fact. God has provided enough members of His Body,
the Church, with the Mind of Christ, to instruct the rest and lead
them to holiness.
Religion of man cannot create this mind and spirit, for man and his
religion
cannot save mankind. Only God saves mankind in and by this way.
Yet there is a distinction between the religion of man and the True
Religion of God. Let us posit this true religion and leave it unnamed
for the time being. Let us assume only that God could, if He desired,
found a Church, and that if He did, it would be good to find that
Church, and consequently, it will be good for us to assess the various
claims of those different religions, at the least, who bear the name
"Christian." Since, in fact, there are specific promises given in the
Book of Revelations (Apocalypse) to those who "have kept my plea to
stand fast, and have not denied my Name," it would be imprudent to
dismiss out of hand all those who bear the Holy Name, without first
investigating the matter thoroughly.
Religions are creations of mankind, created as a replacement for God and
the
way God established for salvation.
Yet God founded His Church. So are you saying the Church is not a
religion, or that God did not found the Church?
Religions are founded on mere belief. The way established by God is a way
established on sure knowledge for the greater gifts from God include
knowledge and understanding. By these, which is truth from God, the mind
is
created and filled with this spirit, which God alone inspires in the
mind.
That does not automatically mean that every thought in your mind comes
from God.
This, is the way God writes or engraves His Word in the inner parts of
mankind.
Before Knowedge or Understanding, before Counsel or Piety, before
Wisdom or Fortitude, before the Fear of the Lord, there is Love. Love
always comes first, before Knowledge or Piety, before Wisdom or
Understanding, before Counsel of Fortitude, before the Fear of the
Lord. Love, always comes first.
Unless God does these works all works of man are in vain and are vanity.
Such are the vain works of religion.
The reality of God is not taught by religionists.
Yet the Master said of the Pharisees that they did teach the reality
of God, just that they failed to provide an example. So it would
appear that at least in principle the same is true of the Church.
Except where an Exemplar shows up in the Church, of course, as in the
case of God's Saints.
Jesus of Nazareth taught
the reality of God and the reality of asking and receiving the fulfilling
of
the promise of God from God.
But that promise did not include your sitting in judgment over me.
Religionists do not teach the reality of the promise of God; what it is;
how
it is received. Why? They are not of God.
Then you should not be including me in your category of "religionist."
If you were "of" God you would be teaching this same way for all who have
gone this way receive the promise of God and teach others this way so
they
also may be saved by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"Joseph Geloso" <josephfg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nu5h20lqc507poapou1e7flau1upnci5ar@4ax.com...
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 18:21:08 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
You are merely another blind, deaf, and spiritually dead religionist.
You
do
not know God. You know false religious doctrine concerning God. God is
only
revealed and known to those God has fathered; the Sons of God.
All others are strangers and of another father other than God.
"Bastards"
as
Paul declared of you. Religionists have no right to name God as their
"Father." They have not been fathered by God but by religions of
mankind.
Your babble proves nothing except your lack of knowledge of and
concerning
God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
Can you back those assumptions with any statable facts? Or are you
just meting out judgment, with the expectation you will not be judged
according to the same judgment you are meting out?
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| User: "bug" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 09:29:18 PM |
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All religions are creations of mankind.
unless the dieties invent their own
steve(vote for me2020!)
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/whyweigh/myhomepage/index.html?mtbrand=AOL_US
"music is like this porthole into another world... the world of truth."- trey
Write your own name on the fucking ballot you party tools
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| User: "bug" |
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| Title: Re: My religion is Real |
08 Feb 2004 09:28:10 PM |
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ummm... you weren't at the M-(A)-s_s when I came out did you?
Cuz you know... i am the Antichrist.
1. They may be phony, fake, and false themselves, thus they have no
context in which to discuss MY religion.
you know what Jack-A-s-s.. tu ne comprenpas. particularment, quand tu parle ma
langue du toi derriere.
MY
ma/mon (*****)
MY religion.
ooooh tu parles latin. un monet.
parle la langue du la mort.
3. They may not know the first thing about MY religion, and thus they
have no context in which to discuss MY religion.
N'comprentoi aramaic?
steve(vote for me2020!)
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/whyweigh/myhomepage/index.html?mtbrand=AOL_US
"music is like this porthole into another world... the world of truth."- trey
Write your own name on the fucking ballot you party tools
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