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Religions > Bible |
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"Pastor Dave" |
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22 May 2007 01:19:48 PM |
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Nebuchadnezzar: God's Temporary Servant |
On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:50:45 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
What's worse is, DAVE (see his interpretation
of Daniel 9:26) is the one who thinks people
like the Romans, were God's people, doing
God a favor when they killed a million Jews
in A.D. 70! If anyone shares a "theology"
with Hitler and the Nazi's, it's Dave!
(Here is an example, so he doesn't, by default,
try to claim he never said any such thing:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:48:46 GMT,
in article <6n1n02tth3caa6cvdkspu1pss9je1mq8qp@4ax.com>,
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
**********************************************
[...]God used other nations to judge
His people at times in the past and called them
His servants/people/army(ies), throughout the
Old Testament[...]
The destruction of the temple results from His [Messiah's]
death and the destroyers are His armies (people),
the Roman armies. This is simple legal cause
and judicial effect!
**********************************************
For a more complete reference, see: http://tinyurl.com/ytf9dv)
Unbelievable what this "Pastor" Dave Raymond is doing
to discredit other posters...
When he is exposed for his proselytising, he tries to flame
others to cyberstalk or call lies about them. The fact that
someone is from Germany does not make anyone a Nazi.
In fact, I sharply reject their evil doing and have never
had any share in that.
The fact is, that you accused me and others of being Nazi's.
Yet you are the stalking people and promoting running out
those whom you do not like and that is a Nazi trait and you
are German. People can draw their own conclusions.
As for what is posted above by Randy, which caught through
you quoting it...
Is there some reason you and Randy deny the Scriptures?
God did use other nations to judge His people. In fact,
He called Nebuchadnezzar His "servant". You see, it is
the Scriptural proof that Randy and you intentionally
leave out, because your sick doctrine is more important
to both of you, than the Scriptural truth, which shows that
God used Babylon to destroy His people from off the land
and that God used others to bring judgment against the
Jews as well!
Note Randy's editing of my words and note that he left out
the important parts. You know, like the Scriptural proof
that I provided.
Randy is famous for intentionally misquoting people
and leaving out what he knows proves him wrong
when he responds, which only shows that he knows
that I did quote what the Bible has to say about it
and he just doesn't like it and so, won't quote that part!
And apparently both of you are too stubborn to realize
that God rules the nations and always has and no one
judged the Jews, without Him bringing the judgment
upon them, using other nations!
You see, you can't wrap your head around the idea that
the Jews did not live innocent lives, even though Jesus
repeatedly blasted them! You have this idea that no
matter what happens and no matter what they do,
that they are to be considered to be innocent lambs
and that is flat out wrong!
Now contrary to your word twisting, that does not mean
that I hate Jews. That is simply what you claim, because
you do not wish to deal with the Scriptural facts that I
present and you wish to distract people from them, by
trying to dishonestly vilify me! It is a distraction attempt;
a red herring!
But Scripture tells the truth! So what did Jeremiah the
prophet say was going to happen, regarding God using
Babylon to judge Jews? Or will you claim that he was
wrong too, because his words interfere with your doctrine?!
Jeremiah 25:4-9
4) And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants
the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye
have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
5) They said, Turn ye again now every one from his
evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell
in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and
to your fathers forever and ever:
6) And go not after other gods to serve them, and
to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with
the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
7) Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD;
that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of
your hands to your own hurt.
8) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye
have not heard my words,
9) Behold, I will send and take all the families of the
north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadnezzar the king
of Babylon, *_MY SERVANT_*, and will bring them
against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof,
and against all these nations round about, and will
utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment,
and a hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Now what does it say that God would do, in v9,
against the Jews and their land?
He would send Nebuchadnezzar, HIS SERVANT
in judgment against the land and the Jewish
inhabitants of the land. God would "utterly destroy
them" and make them "a desolation". But hey,
you and Randy are right and God would never
do such a thing, right? Too bad that He did,
more than once! Too bad that Babylon did invade
the land and do just as God had said would happen!
And since you call me an anti-Semit for saying that
the Jews committed evil and were judged for it,
that mans that according to you, Vera and Randy,
that God is an anti-Semite! So you and Randy
believe that God is an anti-Semite!
Or do you wish to employ a double standard now,
in which you claim that I am an anti-Semite for
repeating what God said and stating what Scripture
says God did, but that God is not one?
Now I don't believe that God is an anti-Semite,
but sticking with your doctrine, your choice is either
that God is anti-Semite, or you two are wrong about
your doctrine and it and you are in error! Not because
I said so, but because Scripture proves it to be so!
But yet, here you two are, promoting what you know
to be lies about me! You are both in evil, trying to
fight the word of God, thinking that if you can
discredit me by using lies and misrepresentation,
that you won't have to deal with God's word and
it means that your doctrine that ignores His word
will be right! Sad!!!
And it is the truth that Dispensationalists constantly
do this! They constantly try to distract attention
away from Scripture and launch personal attacks
and flat out lie about people and yet, claim not
to be able to see that this is an evil, deceptive tactic!
But we both know better, don't we!
And what did Daniel say to Nebuchadnezzar about
this issue of the kingdom that God had given to
Nebuchadnezzar?
Daniel 2:37-38
37) You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God
of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength,
and glory;
38) and wherever the children of men dwell, or the
beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He
has given them into your hand, and has made you
ruler over them all—you are this head of gold.
God appointed Nebuchadnezzar to rule over the kingdoms
of the world and God gave all this into Nebuchadnezzar's
hand. Now you may not like that and you may try to
claim it's wrong, but there it is, by God's word and that
means that you and Randy are wrong!
Now I have proved that without any doubt whatsoever,
God used other nations to judge the Jews! This is but
one example!
I have also proved beyond any doubt that those He used,
He considered His servants! That does not mean that
they worshipped God. It means that they served His
purpose in how many ever matters He used them as
His servants for!
It also means that there is nothing wrong with what
I said about Daniel 9, when I said that God used the
Roman armies as "His people" to judge the Jews!
Both of you can easily see this and both of you know
that I am right about this and that Scripture does say
*exactly* what I said it does! And yet, you still reject
this truth!
Now what is that, except you and Randy utterly rejecting
Scripture, in favor of your doctrine! You seek to ignore
and correct Scripture, to try to make it suit your doctrine!
The truth is, that you are both entirely ignorant of
the Old Testament Scriptures and don't even have
a clue what the history involved is, as provided in
Scripture itself, nor through any other source!
And yet, you think that ignorance is the tool with which
to rebuke someone! And even when you are taught the
truth, so that you cannot claim ignorance, you decide to
reject said truth, in favor of your hateful vilification of
someone who you know has told you the truth and to
favor your doctrine over Scripture! Again I say... Sad!!!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! Sad!
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| Title: Re: Nebuchadnezzar: God's Temporary Servant |
23 May 2007 03:25:40 AM |
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On May 22, 11:19 am, Pastor Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:50:45 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veral...@lycos.com> claimed:
What's worse is, DAVE (see his interpretation
of Daniel 9:26) is the one who thinks people
like the Romans, were God's people, doing
God a favor when they killed a million Jews
in A.D. 70! If anyone shares a "theology"
with Hitler and the Nazi's, it's Dave!
(Here is an example, so he doesn't, by default,
try to claim he never said any such thing:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:48:46 GMT,
in article <6n1n02tth3caa6cvdkspu1pss9je1mq...@4ax.com>,
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917...@gmail.com> wrote:
**********************************************
[...]God used other nations to judge
His people at times in the past and called them
His servants/people/army(ies), throughout the
Old Testament[...]
The destruction of the temple results from His [Messiah's]
death and the destroyers are His armies (people),
the Roman armies. This is simple legal cause
and judicial effect!
**********************************************
For a more complete reference, see:http://tinyurl.com/ytf9dv)
Unbelievable what this "Pastor" Dave Raymond is doing
to discredit other posters...
When he is exposed for his proselytising, he tries to flame
others to cyberstalk or call lies about them. The fact that
someone is from Germany does not make anyone a Nazi.
In fact, I sharply reject their evil doing and have never
had any share in that.
The fact is, that you accused me and others of being Nazi's.
Yet you are the stalking people and promoting running out
those whom you do not like and that is a Nazi trait and you
are German. People can draw their own conclusions.
As for what is posted above by Randy, which caught through
you quoting it...
Is there some reason you and Randy deny the Scriptures?
God did use other nations to judge His people. In fact,
He called Nebuchadnezzar His "servant". You see, it is
the Scriptural proof that Randy and you intentionally
leave out, because your sick doctrine is more important
to both of you, than the Scriptural truth, which shows that
God used Babylon to destroy His people from off the land
and that God used others to bring judgment against the
Jews as well!
Note Randy's editing of my words and note that he left out
the important parts. You know, like the Scriptural proof
that I provided.
Randy is famous for intentionally misquoting people
and leaving out what he knows proves him wrong
when he responds, which only shows that he knows
that I did quote what the Bible has to say about it
and he just doesn't like it and so, won't quote that part!
And apparently both of you are too stubborn to realize
that God rules the nations and always has and no one
judged the Jews, without Him bringing the judgment
upon them, using other nations!
You see, you can't wrap your head around the idea that
the Jews did not live innocent lives, even though Jesus
repeatedly blasted them! You have this idea that no
matter what happens and no matter what they do,
that they are to be considered to be innocent lambs
and that is flat out wrong!
Now contrary to your word twisting, that does not mean
that I hate Jews. That is simply what you claim, because
you do not wish to deal with the Scriptural facts that I
present and you wish to distract people from them, by
trying to dishonestly vilify me! It is a distraction attempt;
a red herring!
But Scripture tells the truth! So what did Jeremiah the
prophet say was going to happen, regarding God using
Babylon to judge Jews? Or will you claim that he was
wrong too, because his words interfere with your doctrine?!
Jeremiah 25:4-9
4) And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants
the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye
have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
5) They said, Turn ye again now every one from his
evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell
in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and
to your fathers forever and ever:
6) And go not after other gods to serve them, and
to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with
the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
7) Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD;
that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of
your hands to your own hurt.
8) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye
have not heard my words,
9) Behold, I will send and take all the families of the
north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadnezzar the king
of Babylon, *_MY SERVANT_*, and will bring them
against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof,
and against all these nations round about, and will
utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment,
and a hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Now what does it say that God would do, in v9,
against the Jews and their land?
He would send Nebuchadnezzar, HIS SERVANT
in judgment against the land and the Jewish
inhabitants of the land. God would "utterly destroy
them" and make them "a desolation". But hey,
you and Randy are right and God would never
do such a thing, right? Too bad that He did,
more than once! Too bad that Babylon did invade
the land and do just as God had said would happen!
And since you call me an anti-Semit for saying that
the Jews committed evil and were judged for it,
that mans that according to you, Vera and Randy,
that God is an anti-Semite! So you and Randy
believe that God is an anti-Semite!
Or do you wish to employ a double standard now,
in which you claim that I am an anti-Semite for
repeating what God said and stating what Scripture
says God did, but that God is not one?
Now I don't believe that God is an anti-Semite,
but sticking with your doctrine, your choice is either
that God is anti-Semite, or you two are wrong about
your doctrine and it and you are in error! Not because
I said so, but because Scripture proves it to be so!
But yet, here you two are, promoting what you know
to be lies about me! You are both in evil, trying to
fight the word of God, thinking that if you can
discredit me by using lies and misrepresentation,
that you won't have to deal with God's word and
it means that your doctrine that ignores His word
will be right! Sad!!!
And it is the truth that Dispensationalists constantly
do this! They constantly try to distract attention
away from Scripture and launch personal attacks
and flat out lie about people and yet, claim not
to be able to see that this is an evil, deceptive tactic!
But we both know better, don't we!
And what did Daniel say to Nebuchadnezzar about
this issue of the kingdom that God had given to
Nebuchadnezzar?
Daniel 2:37-38
37) You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God
of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength,
and glory;
38) and wherever the children of men dwell, or the
beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He
has given them into your hand, and has made you
ruler over them all-you are this head of gold.
God appointed Nebuchadnezzar to rule over the kingdoms
of the world and God gave all this into Nebuchadnezzar's
hand. Now you may not like that and you may try to
claim it's wrong, but there it is, by God's word and that
means that you and Randy are wrong!
Now I have proved that without any doubt whatsoever,
God used other nations to judge the Jews! This is but
one example!
I have also proved beyond any doubt that those He used,
He considered His servants! That does not mean that
they worshipped God. It means that they served His
purpose in how many ever matters He used them as
His servants for!
It also means that there is nothing wrong with what
I said about Daniel 9, when I said that God used the
Roman armies as "His people" to judge the Jews!
Both of you can easily see this and both of you know
that I am right about this and that Scripture does say
*exactly* what I said it does! And yet, you still reject
this truth!
Now what is that, except you and Randy utterly rejecting
Scripture, in favor of your doctrine! You seek to ignore
and correct Scripture, to try to make it suit your doctrine!
The truth is, that you are both entirely ignorant of
the Old Testament Scriptures and don't even have
a clue what the history involved is, as provided in
Scripture itself, nor through any other source!
And yet, you think that ignorance is the tool with which
to rebuke someone! And even when you are taught the
truth, so that you cannot claim ignorance, you decide to
reject said truth, in favor of your hateful vilification of
someone who you know has told you the truth and to
favor your doctrine over Scripture! Again I say... Sad!!!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! Sad!- Hide quoted text -
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The people running Israel and Israel's colony, America, aren't Jews
descended from Jacob (Israel); they're edomites descended from Esau
whom the LORD hated. Deanberryministries.net for more details. God
bless.
In Jesus' Glorious and Holy name,
Dean Berry
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| User: " ::: vera :::" |
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| Title: Re: Nebuchadnezzar: God's Temporary Servant |
23 May 2007 05:28:07 AM |
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Dear Reader,
Find below an example of anti-Semites among themselves, please.
In news:1179908740.463049.178700@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
synagogueofsatan@gmail.com <synagogueofsatan@gmail.com> typed:
On May 22, 11:19 am, Pastor Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
Pastor Dave
The people running Israel and Israel's colony, America, aren't Jews
descended from Jacob (Israel); they're edomites descended from Esau
whom the LORD hated. Deanberryministries.net for more details. God
bless.
In Jesus' Glorious and Holy name,
Dean Berry
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Nebuchadnezzar: God's Temporary Servant |
22 May 2007 02:28:46 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 20:39:33 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
In news:22d653poefupmgggkcfc6sh8mchs709m5q@4ax.com,
Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> typed:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:50:45 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
What's worse is, DAVE (see his interpretation
of Daniel 9:26) is the one who thinks people
like the Romans, were God's people, doing
God a favor when they killed a million Jews
in A.D. 70! If anyone shares a "theology"
with Hitler and the Nazi's, it's Dave!
(Here is an example, so he doesn't, by default,
try to claim he never said any such thing:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:48:46 GMT,
in article <6n1n02tth3caa6cvdkspu1pss9je1mq8qp@4ax.com>,
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
**********************************************
[...]God used other nations to judge
His people at times in the past and called them
His servants/people/army(ies), throughout the
Old Testament[...]
The destruction of the temple results from His [Messiah's]
death and the destroyers are His armies (people),
the Roman armies. This is simple legal cause
and judicial effect!
**********************************************
For a more complete reference, see: http://tinyurl.com/ytf9dv)
Unbelievable what this "Pastor" Dave Raymond is doing
to discredit other posters...
When he is exposed for his proselytising, he tries to flame
others to cyberstalk or call lies about them. The fact that
someone is from Germany does not make anyone a Nazi.
In fact, I sharply reject their evil doing and have never
had any share in that.
Really - that is true.
Thank you for snipping the Scriptural proof
of what I said, Vera. You have made my point
for me! Thanks again!
But it is sad that you hate Scripture so much! (:
And now, let us see what Vera snipped...
Unbelievable what this "Pastor" Dave Raymond is doing
to discredit other posters...
When he is exposed for his proselytising, he tries to flame
others to cyberstalk or call lies about them. The fact that
someone is from Germany does not make anyone a Nazi.
In fact, I sharply reject their evil doing and have never
had any share in that.
The fact is, that you accused me and others of being Nazi's.
Yet you are the stalking people and promoting running out
those whom you do not like and that is a Nazi trait and you
are German. People can draw their own conclusions.
As for what is posted above by Randy, which caught through
you quoting it...
Is there some reason you and Randy deny the Scriptures?
God did use other nations to judge His people. In fact,
He called Nebuchadnezzar His "servant". You see, it is
the Scriptural proof that Randy and you intentionally
leave out, because your sick doctrine is more important
to both of you, than the Scriptural truth, which shows that
God used Babylon to destroy His people from off the land
and that God used others to bring judgment against the
Jews as well!
Note Randy's editing of my words and note that he left out
the important parts. You know, like the Scriptural proof
that I provided.
Randy is famous for intentionally misquoting people
and leaving out what he knows proves him wrong
when he responds, which only shows that he knows
that I did quote what the Bible has to say about it
and he just doesn't like it and so, won't quote that part!
And apparently both of you are too stubborn to realize
that God rules the nations and always has and no one
judged the Jews, without Him bringing the judgment
upon them, using other nations!
You see, you can't wrap your head around the idea that
the Jews did not live innocent lives, even though Jesus
repeatedly blasted them! You have this idea that no
matter what happens and no matter what they do,
that they are to be considered to be innocent lambs
and that is flat out wrong!
Now contrary to your word twisting, that does not mean
that I hate Jews. That is simply what you claim, because
you do not wish to deal with the Scriptural facts that I
present and you wish to distract people from them, by
trying to dishonestly vilify me! It is a distraction attempt;
a red herring!
But Scripture tells the truth! So what did Jeremiah the
prophet say was going to happen, regarding God using
Babylon to judge Jews? Or will you claim that he was
wrong too, because his words interfere with your doctrine?!
Jeremiah 25:4-9
4) And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants
the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye
have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
5) They said, Turn ye again now every one from his
evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell
in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and
to your fathers forever and ever:
6) And go not after other gods to serve them, and
to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with
the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
7) Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD;
that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of
your hands to your own hurt.
8) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye
have not heard my words,
9) Behold, I will send and take all the families of the
north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadnezzar the king
of Babylon, *_MY SERVANT_*, and will bring them
against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof,
and against all these nations round about, and will
utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment,
and a hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Now what does it say that God would do, in v9,
against the Jews and their land?
He would send Nebuchadnezzar, HIS SERVANT
in judgment against the land and the Jewish
inhabitants of the land. God would "utterly destroy
them" and make them "a desolation". But hey,
you and Randy are right and God would never
do such a thing, right? Too bad that He did,
more than once! Too bad that Babylon did invade
the land and do just as God had said would happen!
And since you call me an anti-Semit for saying that
the Jews committed evil and were judged for it,
that mans that according to you, Vera and Randy,
that God is an anti-Semite! So you and Randy
believe that God is an anti-Semite!
Or do you wish to employ a double standard now,
in which you claim that I am an anti-Semite for
repeating what God said and stating what Scripture
says God did, but that God is not one?
Now I don't believe that God is an anti-Semite,
but sticking with your doctrine, your choice is either
that God is anti-Semite, or you two are wrong about
your doctrine and it and you are in error! Not because
I said so, but because Scripture proves it to be so!
But yet, here you two are, promoting what you know
to be lies about me! You are both in evil, trying to
fight the word of God, thinking that if you can
discredit me by using lies and misrepresentation,
that you won't have to deal with God's word and
it means that your doctrine that ignores His word
will be right! Sad!!!
And it is the truth that Dispensationalists constantly
do this! They constantly try to distract attention
away from Scripture and launch personal attacks
and flat out lie about people and yet, claim not
to be able to see that this is an evil, deceptive tactic!
But we both know better, don't we!
And what did Daniel say to Nebuchadnezzar about
this issue of the kingdom that God had given to
Nebuchadnezzar?
Daniel 2:37-38
37) You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God
of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength,
and glory;
38) and wherever the children of men dwell, or the
beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He
has given them into your hand, and has made you
ruler over them all—you are this head of gold.
God appointed Nebuchadnezzar to rule over the kingdoms
of the world and God gave all this into Nebuchadnezzar's
hand. Now you may not like that and you may try to
claim it's wrong, but there it is, by God's word and that
means that you and Randy are wrong!
Now I have proved that without any doubt whatsoever,
God used other nations to judge the Jews! This is but
one example!
I have also proved beyond any doubt that those He used,
He considered His servants! That does not mean that
they worshipped God. It means that they served His
purpose in how many ever matters He used them as
His servants for!
It also means that there is nothing wrong with what
I said about Daniel 9, when I said that God used the
Roman armies as "His people" to judge the Jews!
Both of you can easily see this and both of you know
that I am right about this and that Scripture does say
*exactly* what I said it does! And yet, you still reject
this truth!
Now what is that, except you and Randy utterly rejecting
Scripture, in favor of your doctrine! You seek to ignore
and correct Scripture, to try to make it suit your doctrine!
The truth is, that you are both entirely ignorant of
the Old Testament Scriptures and don't even have
a clue what the history involved is, as provided in
Scripture itself, nor through any other source!
And yet, you think that ignorance is the tool with which
to rebuke someone! And even when you are taught the
truth, so that you cannot claim ignorance, you decide to
reject said truth, in favor of your hateful vilification of
someone who you know has told you the truth and to
favor your doctrine over Scripture! Again I say... Sad!!!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! Sad!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Nebuchadnezzar: God's Temporary Servant |
22 May 2007 09:23:38 PM |
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On Tue, 22 May 2007 23:05:23 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
I recommend anyone just to ignore or block
this brainwashing usenet abuser.
More insults? And you call *me* the "abuser"?
Why don't you take your own advice, Vera?
Block me and that way you can ignore me.
The truth is, that your choice to keep posting
to me, shows that you hate and that you're
a hypocrite, not taking your own advice! (:
[snipped his lies unread]
If you didn't read them, then how do you know
if they're lies or not?
The truth is, that you did read my post and you
hate me for backing up my statements with
Scripture. And you snip them now, because
you know that your last post shows that you
saw them and you are angry now, because
you know that I have proved that YOU know
that you are defying Scripture, VERA!
And you and Randy hate me for proving that
your doctrine is not of God and that it actually
denies His Holy word, which means that you
do as well, since you still refuse to change
your belief to match Scripture! And I will
show again below, that this is not something
that I am just saying, but that it is absolutely,
positively true!
And you and Randy can claim that you don't
hate me, but no one acts the way you do out
of love, insulting the person because they did
not agree with your doctrine and proved you
wrong with Scripture, snipping the Scriptures,
unless they are filled with hate toward that
person for doing so. And I begin to wonder
if you don't hate God's word, when you do
such things!
You and Randy try to vilify me for saying that
God used other nations to judge the Jews and
other nations that He wished to place judgment
upon. But it is true and Scripture verifies it,
which Randy knew, but quoted only a portion
of one of my previous posts on the subject
and he made sure to leave the Scriptures
I quoted out, when he did so.
Now what kind of person does such a thing?
What kind of person sees absolute Scriptural proof
that their doctrine is wrong and that they have
falsely accused someone and then snips it and
insults the person who posted it, which is the
same person they were attacking?
And these were not some "deep, complex, hard
to understand" passages! These were very simply
stated passages, that any average reader could
easily understand! There was no "interpretation"
required, to be able to see what the passages say!
God did use other nations to judge His people. In fact,
He called Nebuchadnezzar His "servant". You see, it is
the Scriptural proof that Randy and you intentionally
leave out, because your sick doctrine is more important
to both of you, than the Scriptural truth, which shows that
God used Babylon to destroy the Jews from off the land
and that God used others to bring judgment against the
Jews as well!
And contrary to your word twisting, that does not mean
that I hate Jews. That is simply what you claim, because
you do not wish to deal with the Scriptural facts that I
present and you wish to distract people from them, by
trying to dishonestly vilify me! It is a distraction attempt;
a red herring! But Scripture always tells the truth!
So what did Jeremiah the prophet say was going to happen,
regarding God using Babylon to judge Jews? Or will you
claim that he was wrong too, because his words interfere
with your doctrine?! After all, Dispensationalists/Futurists
seem to have no problem doing that, when their doctrine
contradicts Scripture! (:
Jeremiah 25:4-9
4) And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants
the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye
have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
5) They said, Turn ye again now every one from his
evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell
in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and
to your fathers forever and ever:
6) And go not after other gods to serve them, and
to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with
the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
7) Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD;
that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of
your hands to your own hurt.
8) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye
have not heard my words,
9) Behold, I will send and take all the families of the
north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadnezzar the king
of Babylon, *_MY SERVANT_*, and will bring them
against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof,
and against all these nations round about, and will
utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment,
and a hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Now what does it say that God would do, in v9 above,
against the Jews and their land?
He would send Nebuchadnezzar, HIS SERVANT in judgment
against the land and the Jewish inhabitants of the land.
God would "utterly destroy them" and make them "a desolation".
But hey, you and Randy are right and God would never do
such a thing, right? Too bad for you two and your false
doctrine, that He did, more than once! Too bad for you two
and your false doctrine, that Babylon did invade the land and
did just as God had said would happen; as God sent them
to do!
I hope that one day you realize what it means, when a person
claims to be serving God and then, when their doctrine is
shown to be in error regarding something, they snip the
Scripture and call it "lies". And yes, that is what you just
did, when you snipped my entire post and called it lies,
since Scripture is what I provided to prove my point!
I said that God used other nations to judge the Jews before
and that God called those nations His servants and that
He ordained it. And I absolutely proved this with Scripture
passages, such as found in Jeremiah 25:4-9 above and as
found in Daniel 2:37-38, when Daniel was addressing
Nebuchadnezzar regarding the dream Nebuchadnezzar
had about the statue...
Daniel 2:37-38
37) You, O king, are a king of kings. For the GOD
of heaven HAS GIVEN YOU a kingdom, power,
strength, and glory;
38) and wherever the children of men dwell, or the
beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, HE
HAS GIVEN THEM INTO YOUR HAND, and has
made you ruler over them all—you are this head
of gold.
Your response was to snip those Scriptures and attack me
personally.
We both know who should be ignored here, Vera! And it
isn't me! It is those who ignore Scripture, as you and Randy
do each and every time you don't like what it says, because
it directly and specifically contradicts your doctrine, as it
did in this case, when you two claimed that I was wrong
for saying that God did use other nations to judge the Jews
and that those nations that He used were His "servants"
for that purpose and were "His people" for that purpose.
Randy likes to twist this and misrepresent what I said,
because he knows that he cannot dispute the Scriptures.
But because he doesn't care about the Scriptures, but
rather about his doctrine and in how he can dishonestly
try to vilify me, just as is true with you, he twists what
I said and what the Scriptures say, trying to claim that
I am saying that it meant that they are God's people,
as in the same way that Christians are God's people
and that was and is a lie!
The truth is, when we compare Scripture with Scripture,
we can see that "the people of the Prince" is not some
"AntiChrist army", especially seeing that this "AntiChrist"
person is not even mentioned there!
In the Hebrew, the word "prince" goes back to the last
dominant noun, which was the "Messiah". And it takes
a lot of word twisting, to believe that Daniel, in v25,
which identifies the "Prince" as the "Messiah" and even
says, "Messiah the Prince", would then turn around in
the very next verse and be talking about some AntiChrist
person, that is not even mentioned there by name!
We see "Messiah" there twice and "Prince" there twice.
And we see them together, in the statement, "Messiah
the Prince" in v25. And then in v26, we see the word
"Messiah" again and the word "Prince" again, but you
two think that it is talking about the Messiah in v25,
for both the word "Messiah" and "Prince" and then
again in v26 for the word "Messiah", but that just
a few words later, when Daniel says "Prince" again,
in the very same verse (v26), that Daniel suddenly
switches gears and is talking about some "AntiChrist"
person that he does not mention by any name, nor
some "AntiChrist" title and you think that it couldn't
be the Messiah that he is referencing, when he says
"Prince", even though it tells us flat out that the Prince
is the Messiah in v25, when Daniel says straight out,
"Messiah the Prince"! HUH?!? WHAT?!?
I don't think so! (:
So you do what you want. You believe what you want.
I will believe what the Bible says! And it says that:
1) God uses other nations to place judgment upon
certain peoples/nations that He chooses to be judged.
2) God did use other nations to place judgment upon
the Jewish people/nation.
3) God did call those nations that He used, His "servants".
4) Daniel did identify "the Prince" as "the Messiah",
in Dan 9:25-26.
5) Randy intentionally omits the Scriptural proof that
I provided and edited out much of what I said when
he posted part of an older message that I wrote and
he tried to make fun of my belief, knowing that he
was intentionally editing out the proof positive
Scriptures that I had quoted, that he knows that
he saw, since he was involved in that thread and
others regarding that same issue. And let us note
that even bringing up this issue in that other thread,
which is what caused me to start this one, was an
attempt to distract from the issue that was being
discussed in that other thread! But that is all that
both of you have! Distractions! Red herrings!
Based on lies and word twisting! And yet you both
claim to be dealing with what I say honestly? Huh?!
6) You, Vera, after seeing the Scriptural proof that
I did not lie and that Scripture backs me up,
decided to snip my words and the Scriptures posted
and proceeded to lie about me and attempted
to vilify me, not caring what the Scriptures say,
because your doctrine is more important to you
than the truth is! And since you called me an
"anti-Semite" for saying what I said about this issue,
you have therefore (both you and Randy), by default,
accused God of being an anti-Semite! To say otherwise,
is to apply a double standard, accusing me of being
one, but not God, when it was God's word that I quoted!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! Sad!
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