On Tue, 22 May 2007 15:50:45 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
What's worse is, DAVE (see his interpretation
of Daniel 9:26) is the one who thinks people
like the Romans, were God's people, doing
God a favor when they killed a million Jews
in A.D. 70! If anyone shares a "theology"
with Hitler and the Nazi's, it's Dave!
(Here is an example, so he doesn't, by default,
try to claim he never said any such thing:
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 00:48:46 GMT,
in article <6n1n02tth3caa6cvdkspu1pss9je1mq8qp@4ax.com>,
Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote:
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[...]God used other nations to judge
His people at times in the past and called them
His servants/people/army(ies), throughout the
Old Testament[...]
The destruction of the temple results from His [Messiah's]
death and the destroyers are His armies (people),
the Roman armies. This is simple legal cause
and judicial effect!
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For a more complete reference, see: http://tinyurl.com/ytf9dv)
Unbelievable what this "Pastor" Dave Raymond is doing
to discredit other posters...
When he is exposed for his proselytising, he tries to flame
others to cyberstalk or call lies about them. The fact that
someone is from Germany does not make anyone a Nazi.
In fact, I sharply reject their evil doing and have never
had any share in that.
The fact is, that you accused me and others of being Nazi's.
Yet you are the stalking people and promoting running out
those whom you do not like and that is a Nazi trait and you
are German. People can draw their own conclusions.
As for what is posted above by Randy, which caught through
you quoting it...
Is there some reason you and Randy deny the Scriptures?
God did use other nations to judge His people. In fact,
He called Nebuchadnezzar His "servant". You see, it is
the Scriptural proof that Randy and you intentionally
leave out, because your sick doctrine is more important
to both of you, than the Scriptural truth, which shows that
God used Babylon to destroy His people from off the land
and that God used others to bring judgment against the
Jews as well!
Note Randy's editing of my words and note that he left out
the important parts. You know, like the Scriptural proof
that I provided.
Randy is famous for intentionally misquoting people
and leaving out what he knows proves him wrong
when he responds, which only shows that he knows
that I did quote what the Bible has to say about it
and he just doesn't like it and so, won't quote that part!
And apparently both of you are too stubborn to realize
that God rules the nations and always has and no one
judged the Jews, without Him bringing the judgment
upon them, using other nations!
You see, you can't wrap your head around the idea that
the Jews did not live innocent lives, even though Jesus
repeatedly blasted them! You have this idea that no
matter what happens and no matter what they do,
that they are to be considered to be innocent lambs
and that is flat out wrong!
Now contrary to your word twisting, that does not mean
that I hate Jews. That is simply what you claim, because
you do not wish to deal with the Scriptural facts that I
present and you wish to distract people from them, by
trying to dishonestly vilify me! It is a distraction attempt;
a red herring!
But Scripture tells the truth! So what did Jeremiah the
prophet say was going to happen, regarding God using
Babylon to judge Jews? Or will you claim that he was
wrong too, because his words interfere with your doctrine?!
Jeremiah 25:4-9
4) And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants
the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye
have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear.
5) They said, Turn ye again now every one from his
evil way, and from the evil of your doings, and dwell
in the land that the LORD hath given unto you and
to your fathers forever and ever:
6) And go not after other gods to serve them, and
to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with
the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt.
7) Yet ye have not hearkened unto me, saith the LORD;
that ye might provoke me to anger with the works of
your hands to your own hurt.
8) Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Because ye
have not heard my words,
9) Behold, I will send and take all the families of the
north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadnezzar the king
of Babylon, *_MY SERVANT_*, and will bring them
against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof,
and against all these nations round about, and will
utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment,
and a hissing, and perpetual desolations.
Now what does it say that God would do, in v9,
against the Jews and their land?
He would send Nebuchadnezzar, HIS SERVANT
in judgment against the land and the Jewish
inhabitants of the land. God would "utterly destroy
them" and make them "a desolation". But hey,
you and Randy are right and God would never
do such a thing, right? Too bad that He did,
more than once! Too bad that Babylon did invade
the land and do just as God had said would happen!
And since you call me an anti-Semit for saying that
the Jews committed evil and were judged for it,
that mans that according to you, Vera and Randy,
that God is an anti-Semite! So you and Randy
believe that God is an anti-Semite!
Or do you wish to employ a double standard now,
in which you claim that I am an anti-Semite for
repeating what God said and stating what Scripture
says God did, but that God is not one?
Now I don't believe that God is an anti-Semite,
but sticking with your doctrine, your choice is either
that God is anti-Semite, or you two are wrong about
your doctrine and it and you are in error! Not because
I said so, but because Scripture proves it to be so!
But yet, here you two are, promoting what you know
to be lies about me! You are both in evil, trying to
fight the word of God, thinking that if you can
discredit me by using lies and misrepresentation,
that you won't have to deal with God's word and
it means that your doctrine that ignores His word
will be right! Sad!!!
And it is the truth that Dispensationalists constantly
do this! They constantly try to distract attention
away from Scripture and launch personal attacks
and flat out lie about people and yet, claim not
to be able to see that this is an evil, deceptive tactic!
But we both know better, don't we!
And what did Daniel say to Nebuchadnezzar about
this issue of the kingdom that God had given to
Nebuchadnezzar?
Daniel 2:37-38
37) You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God
of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength,
and glory;
38) and wherever the children of men dwell, or the
beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He
has given them into your hand, and has made you
ruler over them all—you are this head of gold.
God appointed Nebuchadnezzar to rule over the kingdoms
of the world and God gave all this into Nebuchadnezzar's
hand. Now you may not like that and you may try to
claim it's wrong, but there it is, by God's word and that
means that you and Randy are wrong!
Now I have proved that without any doubt whatsoever,
God used other nations to judge the Jews! This is but
one example!
I have also proved beyond any doubt that those He used,
He considered His servants! That does not mean that
they worshipped God. It means that they served His
purpose in how many ever matters He used them as
His servants for!
It also means that there is nothing wrong with what
I said about Daniel 9, when I said that God used the
Roman armies as "His people" to judge the Jews!
Both of you can easily see this and both of you know
that I am right about this and that Scripture does say
*exactly* what I said it does! And yet, you still reject
this truth!
Now what is that, except you and Randy utterly rejecting
Scripture, in favor of your doctrine! You seek to ignore
and correct Scripture, to try to make it suit your doctrine!
The truth is, that you are both entirely ignorant of
the Old Testament Scriptures and don't even have
a clue what the history involved is, as provided in
Scripture itself, nor through any other source!
And yet, you think that ignorance is the tool with which
to rebuke someone! And even when you are taught the
truth, so that you cannot claim ignorance, you decide to
reject said truth, in favor of your hateful vilification of
someone who you know has told you the truth and to
favor your doctrine over Scripture! Again I say... Sad!!!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! Sad!
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