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11 Dec 2005 01:52:47 AM |
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Oh Pagan Tree, Oh Pagan Tree! |
Before the time of Moses, in the false pagan religion of Baal Worship (sun
worship), every December the 25th was celebrated as the rebirth of the false
sun god baal. To celebrate this, the people would hang little round balls on
the trees as symbols of the sun, and they would give gifts to one another.
The pagan religion of baal worship spread into different lands, using
different names for the false gods and false goddess. Baal worship got into
the pagan roman religion of ancient rome, and some of the traditions and
feast days of the roman religion got into roman catholicism.
Christmas, which is basically named after a mass for Christ is a roman
catholic holiday, and the pagan tradition of giving gifts on Dec. 25 and
hanging balls on trees got into this holiday. - But, it is a pagan practice
and it really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ.
So, I spent a small amount of time composing a little song about the matter:
Oh Christmas Tree
Oh pagan tree, Oh pagan tree!
Keep yourself away from me!
O pagan tree, O pagan tree!
A false religion, invented thee.
O pagan tree, O pagan tree!
False Baal worship spawned thee.
O pagan tree, O pagan tree!
The birth of Christ,
Has nothing to do with thee!
O pagan tree, O pagan tree!
Tiny globes hang like a bell.
Symbols of the sun god!
That deceived men into hell.
O pagan tree, O pagan tree,
Indignation you bring to me.
I am not a song writer. If anyone one in these news groups wants to write a
better song about it, then post it here.
You can use this popular abominable song, to copy from:
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree!
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
How are thy leaves so verdant!
Not only in the summertime,
But even in winter is thy prime.
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!
For every year the Christmas tree,
Brings to us all both joy and glee.
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!
Each bough doth hold its tiny light,
That makes each toy to sparkle bright.
O Christmas tree, O Christmas tree,
Thy candles shine out brightly!
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| User: "Jeff Caird" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Pagan Tree, Oh Pagan Tree! |
11 Dec 2005 09:10:22 PM |
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On 2005-12-11, stone <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote:
Before the time of Moses, in the false pagan religion of Baal Worship (sun
worship), every December the 25th was celebrated as the rebirth of the false
sun god baal.
How do you know it was December 25? Do you know what calendar
they were using? What people was it that were doing this?
What are your sources?
To celebrate this, the people would hang little round balls on
the trees as symbols of the sun, and they would give gifts to one another.
The pagan religion of baal worship spread into different lands, using
different names for the false gods and false goddess. Baal worship got into
the pagan roman religion of ancient rome, and some of the traditions and
feast days of the roman religion got into roman catholicism.
Christmas, which is basically named after a mass for Christ is a roman
catholic holiday, and the pagan tradition of giving gifts on Dec. 25 and
hanging balls on trees got into this holiday. - But, it is a pagan practice
and it really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ.
So, I spent a small amount of time composing a little song about the matter:
Oh Christmas Tree
Oh, when I die, bury me;
Hang my balls on a cherry tree.
When they're ripe, take a bite,
and that will be the end of me!
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| User: "stone" |
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| Title: Re: Oh Pagan Tree, Oh Pagan Tree! |
14 Dec 2005 02:54:22 AM |
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Jeff Caird wrote in message <11ppqguqbirme3e@corp.supernews.com>...
On 2005-12-11, stone <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote:
Before the time of Moses, in the false pagan religion of Baal Worship
(sun
worship), every December the 25th was celebrated as the rebirth of the
false
sun god baal.
How do you know it was December 25? Do you know what calendar
they were using? What people was it that were doing this?
What are your sources?
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/sect31.htm
online book, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop
That is not my original source, but this one will do nicely.
It is rather long but it contains what I said in my post.
Hislop, an expert on ancient religions, has over 200 references in that
book.
How, then, did the Romish Church fix on December the 25th as Christmas-day?
Why, thus: Long before the fourth century, and long before the Christian era
itself, a festival was celebrated among the heathen, at that precise time of
the year, in honour of the birth of the son of the Babylonian queen of
heaven; and it may fairly be presumed that, in order to conciliate the
heathen, and to swell the number of the nominal adherents of Christianity,
the same festival was adopted by the Roman Church, giving it only the name
of Christ. This tendency on the part of Christians to meet Paganism half-way
was very early developed; and we find Tertullian, even in his day, about the
year 230, bitterly lamenting the inconsistency of the disciples of Christ in
this respect, and contrasting it with the strict fidelity of the Pagans to
their own superstition. "By us," says he, "who are strangers to Sabbaths,
and new moons, and festivals, once acceptable to God, the Saturnalia, the
feasts of January, the Brumalia, and Matronalia, are now frequented; gifts
are carried to and fro, new year's day presents are made with din, and
sports and banquets are celebrated with uproar; oh, how much more faithful
are the heathen to their religion, who take special care to adopt no
solemnity from the Christians." Upright men strive to stem the tide, but in
spite of all their efforts, the apostacy went on, till the Church, with the
exception of a small remnant, was submerged under Pagan superstition. That
Christmas was originally a Pagan festival, is beyond all doubt. The time of
the year, and the ceremonies with which it is still celebrated, prove its
origin. In Egypt, the son of Isis, the Egyptian title for the queen of
heaven, was born at this very time, "about the time of the winter solstice."
The very name by which Christmas is popularly known among
ourselves--Yule-day --proves at once its Pagan and Babylonian origin. "Yule"
is the Chaldee name for an "infant" or "little child"; * and as the 25th of
December was called by our Pagan Anglo-Saxon ancestors, "Yule-day," or the
"Child's day," and the night that preceded it, "Mother-night," long before
they came in contact with Christianity, that sufficiently proves its real
character.
* From Eol, an "infant." In Scotland, at least in the Lowlands, the
Yule-cakes are also called Nur-cakes. Now in Chaldee Nour signifies "birth."
Therefore, Nur-cakes are "birth-cakes." The Scandinavian goddesses, called
"norns," who appointed children their destinies at their birth, evidently
derived their name from the cognate Chaldee word "Nor," a child.
Far and wide, in the realms of Paganism, was this birth-day observed. This
festival has been commonly believed to have had only an astronomical
character, referring simply to the completion of the sun's yearly course,
and the commencement of a new cycle. But there is indubitably evidence that
the festival in question had a much higher reference than this--that it
commemorated not merely the figurative birth-day of the sun in the renewal
of its course, but the birth-day of the grand Deliverer. Among the Sabeans
of Arabia, who regarded the moon, and not the sun, as the visible symbol of
the favourite object of their idolatry, the same period was observed as the
birth festival. Thus we read in Stanley's Sabean Philosophy: "On the 24th of
the tenth month," that is December, according to our reckoning, "the
Arabians celebrated the BIRTHDAY OF THE LORD--that is the Moon." The Lord
Moon was the great object of Arabian worship, and that Lord Moon, according
to them, was born on the 24th of December, which clearly shows that the
birth which they celebrated had no necessary connection with the course of
the sun. It is worthy of special note, too, that if Christmas-day among the
ancient Saxons of this island, was observed to celebrate the birth of any
Lord of the host of heaven, the case must have been precisely the same here
as it was in Arabia. The Saxons, as is well known, regarded the Sun as a
female divinity, and the Moon as a male. *
* SHARON TURNER. Turner cites an Arabic poem which proves that a female sun
and a masculine moon were recognised in Arabia as well as by the
Anglo-Saxons.
It must have been the birth-day of the Lord Moon, therefore, and not of the
Sun, that was celebrated by them on the 25th of December, even as the
birth-day of the same Lord Moon was observed by the Arabians on the 24th of
December. The name of the Lord Moon in the East seems to have been Meni, for
this appears the most natural interpretation of the Divine statement in
Isaiah lxv. 11, "But ye are they that forsake my holy mountain, that prepare
a temple for Gad, and that furnish the drink-offering unto Meni." There is
reason to believe that Gad refers to the sun-god, and that Meni in like
manner designates the moon-divinity. *
*See KITTO, vol. iv. p. 66, end of Note. The name Gad evidently refers, in
the first instance, to the war-god, for it signifies to assault; but it also
signifies "the assembler"; and under both ideas it is applicable to Nimrod,
whose general character was that of the sun-god, for he was the first grand
warrior; and, under the name Phoroneus, he was celebrated for having first
gathered mankind into social communities. The name Meni, "the numberer," on
the other hand, seems just a synonym for the name of Cush or Chus, which,
while it signifies "to cover" or "hide," signifies also "to count or
number." The true proper meaning of the name Cush is, I have no doubt, "The
numberer" or "Arithmetician"; for while Nimrod his son, as the "mighty" one,
was the grand propagator of the Babylonian system of idolatry, by force and
power, he, as Hermes, was the real concocter of that system, for he is said
to have "taught men the proper mode of approaching the Deity with prayers
and sacrifice" (WILKINSON); and seeing idolatry and astronomy were
intimately combined, to enable him to do so with effect, it was
indispensable that he should be pre-eminently skilled in the science of
numbers. Now, Hermes (that is Cush) is said to have "first discovered
numbers, and the art of reckoning, geometry, and astronomy, the games of
chess and hazard" (Ibid.); and it is in all probability from reference to
the meaning of the name of Cush, that some called "NUMBER the father of gods
and men" (Ibid.). The name Meni is just the Chaldee form of the Hebrew
"Mene," the "numberer" for in Chaldee i often takes the place of the final
e. As we have seen reason to conclude with Gesenius, that Nebo, the great
prophetic god of Babylon, was just the same god as Hermes, this shows the
peculiar emphasis of the first words in the Divine sentence that sealed the
doom of Belshazzar, as representing the primeval god--"MENE, MENE, Tekel,
Upharsin," which is as much as covertly to say, "The numberer is numbered."
As the cup was peculiarly the symbol of Cush, hence the pouring out of the
drink-offering to him as the god of the cup; and as he was the great
Diviner, hence the divinations as to the future year, which Jerome connects
with the divinity referred to by Isaiah. Now Hermes, in Egypt as the
"numberer," was identified with the moon that numbers the months. He was
called "Lord of the moon" (BUNSEN); and as the "dispenser of time"
(WILKINSON), he held a "palm branch, emblematic of a year" (Ibid.). Thus,
then, if Gad was the "sun-divinity," Meni was very naturally regarded as
"The Lord Moon."
Meni, or Manai, signifies "The Numberer." And it is by the changes of the
moon that the months are numbered: Psalm civ. 19, "He appointed the moon for
seasons: the sun knoweth the time of its going down." The name of the "Man
of the Moon," or the god who presided over that luminary among the Saxons,
was Mane, as given in the "Edda," and Mani, in the "Voluspa." That it was
the birth of the "Lord Moon" that was celebrated among our ancestors at
Christmas, we have remarkable evidence in the name that is still given in
the lowlands of Scotland to the feast on the last day of the year, which
seems to be a remnant of the old birth festival for the cakes then made are
called Nur-Cakes, or Birth-cakes. That name is Hogmanay. Now, "Hog-Manai" in
Chaldee signifies "The feast of the Numberer"; in other words, the festival
of Deus Lunus, or of the Man of the Moon. To show the connection between
country and country, and the inveterate endurance of old customs, it is
worthy of remark, that Jerome, commenting on the very words of Isaiah
already quoted, about spreading "a table for Gad," and "pouring out a
drink-offering to Meni," observes that it "was the custom so late as his
time [in the fourth century], in all cities especially in Egypt and at
Alexandria, to set tables, and furnish them with various luxurious articles
of food, and with goblets containing a mixture of new wine, on the last day
of the month and the year, and that the people drew omens from them in
respect of the fruitfulness of the year." The Egyptian year began at a
different time from ours; but this is a near as possible (only substituting
whisky for wine), the way in which Hogmanay is still observed on the last
day of the last month of our year in Scotland. I do not know that any omens
are drawn from anything that takes place at that time, but everybody in the
south of Scotland is personally cognisant of the fact, that, on Hogmanay, or
the evening before New Year's day, among those who observe old customs, a
table is spread, and that while buns and other dainties are provided by
those who can afford them, oat cakes and cheese are brought forth among
those who never see oat cakes but on this occasion, and that strong drink
forms an essential article of the provision.
Even where the sun was the favourite object of worship, as in Babylon itself
and elsewhere, at this festival he was worshipped not merely as the orb of
day, but as God incarnate. It was an essential principle of the Babylonian
system, that the Sun or Baal was the one only God. When, therefore, Tammuz
was worshipped as God incarnate, that implied also that he was an
incarnation of the Sun. In the Hindoo Mythology, which is admitted to be
essentially Babylonian, this comes out very distinctly. There, Surya, or the
sun, is represented as being incarnate, and born for the purpose of subduing
the enemies of the gods, who, without such a birth, could not have been
subdued. *
* See the Sanscrit Researches of Col. VANS KENNEDY. Col. K., a most
distinguished Sanscrit scholar, brings the Brahmins from Babylon (Ibid.). Be
it observed the very name Surya, given to the sun over all India, is
connected with this birth. Though the word had originally a different
meaning, it was evidently identified by the priests with the Chaldee "Zero,"
and made to countenance the idea of the birth of the "Sun-god." The Pracrit
name is still nearer the Scriptural name of the promised "seed." It is
"Suro." It has been seen, in a previous chapter, that in Egypt also the Sun
was represented as born of a goddess.
It was no mere astronomic festival, then, that the Pagans celebrated at the
winter solstice. That festival at Rome was called the feast of Saturn, and
the mode in which it was celebrated there, showed whence it had been
derived. The feast, as regulated by Caligula, lasted five days; * loose
reins were given to drunkenness and revelry, slaves had a temporary
emancipation, ** and used all manner of freedoms with their masters.
* Subsequently the number of the days of the Saturnalia was increased to
seven.
** If Saturn, or Kronos, was, as we have seen reason to believe, Phoroneus,
"The emancipator," the "temporary emancipation" of the slaves at his
festival was exactly in keeping with his supposed character.
This was precisely the way in which, according to Berosus, the drunken
festival of the month Thebeth, answering to our December, in other words,
the festival of Bacchus, was celebrated in Babylon. "It was the custom,"
says he, "during the five days it lasted, for masters to be in subjection to
their servants, and one of them ruled the house, clothed in a purple garment
like a king." This "purple-robed" servant was called "Zoganes," the "Man of
sport and wantonness," and answered exactly to the "Lord of Misrule," that
in the dark ages, was chosen in all Popish countries to head the revels of
Christmas. The wassailling bowl of Christmas had its precise counterpart in
the "Drunken festival" of Babylon; and many of the other observances still
kept up among ourselves at Christmas came from the very same quarter. The
candles, in some parts of England, lighted on Christmas-eve, and used so
long as the festive season lasts, were equally lighted by the Pagans on the
eve of the festival of the Babylonian god, to do honour to him: for it was
one of the distinguishing peculiarities of his worship to have lighted
wax-candles on his altars. The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was
equally common in Pagan Rome and Pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the
palm-tree; in Rome it was the fir; the palm-tree denoting the Pagan Messiah,
as Baal-Tamar, the fir referring to him as Baal-Berith. The mother of
Adonis, the Sun-God and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to
have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth
her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been recognised
as the "Man the branch." And this entirely accounts for the putting of the
Yule Log into the fire on Christmas-eve, and the appearance of the
Christmas-tree the next morning. As Zero-Ashta, "The seed of the woman,"
which name also signified Ignigena, or "born of the fire," he has to enter
the fire on "Mother-night," that he may be born the next day out of it, as
the "Branch of God," or the Tree that brings all divine gifts to men. But
why, it may be asked, does he enter the fire under the symbol of a Log? To
understand this, it must be remembered that the divine child born at the
winter solstice was born as a new incarnation of the great god (after that
god had been cut in pieces), on purpose to revenge his death upon his
murderers. Now the great god, cut off in the midst of his power and glory,
was symbolised as a huge tree, stripped of all its branches, and cut down
almost to the ground. But the great serpent, the symbol of the life
restoring Aesculapius, twists itself around the dead stock, and lo, at its
side up sprouts a young tree--a tree of an entirely different kind, that is
destined never to be cut down by hostile power--even the palm-tree, the
well-known symbol of victory. The Christmas-tree, as has been stated, was
generally at Rome a different tree, even the fir; but the very same idea as
was implied in the palm-tree was implied in the Christmas-fir; for that
covertly symbolised the new-born God as Baal-berith, * "Lord of the
Covenant," and thus shadowed forth the perpetuity and everlasting nature of
his power, not that after having fallen before his enemies, he had risen
triumphant over them all.
* Baal-bereth, which differs only in one letter from Baal-berith, "Lord of
the Covenant," signifies "Lord of the fir-tree."
Therefore, the 25th of December, the day that was observed at Rome as the
day when the victorious god reappeared on earth, was held at the Natalis
invicti solis, "The birth-day of the unconquered Sun." Now the Yule Log is
the dead stock of Nimrod, deified as the sun-god, but cut down by his
enemies; the Christmas-tree is Nimrod redivivus--the slain god come to life
again. In the light reflected by the above statement on customs that still
linger among us, the origin of which has been lost in the midst of hoar
antiquity, let the reader look at the singular practice still kept up in the
South on Christmas-eve, of kissing under the mistletoe bough. That mistletoe
bough in the Druidic superstition, which, as we have seen, was derived from
Babylon, was a representation of the Messiah, "The man the branch." The
mistletoe was regarded as a divine branch *--a branch that came from heaven,
and grew upon a tree that sprung out of the earth.
* In the Scandinavian story of Balder, the mistletoe branch is distinguished
from the lamented god. The Druidic and Scandinavian myths somewhat differed;
but yet, even in the Scandinavian story, it is evident that some marvellous
power was attributed to the mistletoe branch; for it was able to do what
nothing else in the compass of creation could accomplish; it slew the
divinity on whom the Anglo-Saxons regarded "the empire" of their "heaven" as
"depending." Now, all that is neceesary to unravel this apparent
inconsistency, is just to understand "the branch" that had such power, as a
symbolical expression for the true Messiah. The Bacchus of the Greeks came
evidently to be recognised as the "seed of the serpent"; for he is said to
have been brought forth by his mother in consequence of intercourse with
Jupiter, when that god had appeared in the form of a serpent. If the
character of Balder was the same, the story of his death just amounted to
this, that the "seed of the serpent" had been slain by the "seed of the
woman." This story, of course, must have originated with his enemies. But
the idolators took up what they could not altogether deny, evidently with
the view of explaining it away.
Thus by the engrafting of the celestial branch into the earthly tree, heaven
and earth, that sin had severed, were joined together, and thus the
mistletoe bough became the token of Divine reconciliation to man, the kiss
being the well-known token of pardon and reconciliation. Whence could such
an idea have come? May it not have come from the eighty-fifth Psalm, ver.
10,11, "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have
KISSED each other. Truth shall spring out of the earth [in consequence of
the coming of the promised Saviour], and righteousness shall look down from
heaven"? Certain it is that that Psalm was written soon after the Babylonish
captivity; and as multitudes of the Jews, after that event, still remained
in Babylon under the guidance of inspired men, such as Daniel, as a part of
the Divine word it must have been communicated to them, as well as to their
kinsmen in Palestine. Babylon was, at that time, the centre of the civilised
world; and thus Paganism, corrupting the Divine symbol as it ever has done,
had opportunities of sending forth its debased counterfeit of the truth to
all the ends of the earth, through the Mysteries that were affiliated with
the great central system in Babylon. Thus the very customs of Christmas
still existent cast surprising light at once on the revelations of grace
made to all the earth, and the efforts made by Satan and his emissaries to
materialise, carnalise, and degrade them.
In many countries the boar was sacrificed to the god, for the injury a boar
was fabled to have done him. According to one version of the story of the
death of Adonis, or Tammuz, it was, as we have seen, in consequence of a
wound from the tusk of a boar that he died. The Phrygian Attes, the beloved
of Cybele, whose story was identified with that of Adonis, was fabled to
have perished in like manner, by the tusk of a boar. Therefore, Diana, who
though commonly represented in popular myths only as the huntress Diana, was
in reality the great mother of the gods, has frequently the boar's head as
her accompaniment, in token not of any mere success in the chase, but of her
triumph over the grand enemy of the idolatrous system, in which she occupied
so conspicuous a place. According to Theocritus, Venus was reconciled to the
boar that killed Adonis, because when brought in chains before her, it
pleaded so pathetically that it had not killed her husband of malice
prepense, but only through accident. But yet, in memory of the deed that the
mystic boar had done, many a boar lost its head or was offered in sacrifice
to the offended goddess. In Smith, Diana is represented with a boar's head
lying beside her, on the top of a heap of stones in which the Roman Emperor
Trajan is represented burning incense to the same goddess, the boar's head
forms a very prominent figure. On Christmas-day the Continental Saxons
offered a boar in sacrifice to the Sun, to propitiate her * for the loss of
her beloved Adonis.
* The reader will remember the Sun was a goddess. Mallet says, "They offered
the largest hog they could get to Frigga"--i.e., the mother of Balder the
lamented one. In Egypt swine were offered once a year, at the feast of the
Moon, to the Moon, and Bacchus or Osiris; and to them only it was lawful to
make such an offering. (AELIAN)
In Rome a similar observance had evidently existed; for a boar formed the
great article at the feast of Saturn, as appears from the following words of
Martial:--
"That boar will make you a good Saturnalia."
Hence the boar's head is still a standing dish in England at the Christmas
dinner, when the reason of it is long since forgotten. Yea, the "Christmas
goose" and "Yule cakes" were essential articles in the worship of the
Babylonian Messiah, as that worship was practised both in Egypt and at Rome.
Wilkinson, in reference to Egypt, shows that "the favourite offering" of
Osiris was "a goose," and moreover, that the "goose could not be eaten
except in the depth of winter." As to Rome, Juvenal says, "that Osiris, if
offended, could be pacified only by a large goose and a thin cake." In many
countries we have evidence of a sacred character attached to the goose. It
is well known that the capitol of Rome was on one occasion saved when on the
point of being surprised by the Gauls in the dead of night, by the cackling
of the geese sacred to Juno, kept in the temple of Jupiter. In India, the
goose occupied a similar position; for in that land we read of the sacred
"Brahmany goose," or goose sacred to Brahma. Finally, the monuments of
Babylon show that the goose possessed a like mystic character in Chaldea,
and that it was offered in sacrifice there, as well as in Rome or Egypt, for
there the priest is seen with the goose in the one hand, and his sacrificing
knife in the other. *
* The symbolic meaning of the offering of the goose is worthy of notice.
"The goose," says Wilkinson, "signified in hieroglyphics a child or son";
and Horapolo says, "It was chosen to denote a son, from its love to its
young, being always ready to give itself up to the chasseur, in order that
they might be preserved; for which reason the Egyptians thought it right to
revere this animal." (WILKINSON's Egyptians) Here, then, the true meaning of
the symbol is a son, who voluntarily gives himself up as a sacrifice for
those whom he loves--viz., the Pagan Messiah.
There can be no doubt, then, that the Pagan festival at the winter
solstice--in other words, Christmas--was held in honour of the birth of the
Babylonian Messiah.
The consideration of the next great festival in the Popish calendar gives
the very strongest confirmation to what has now been said. That festival,
called Lady-day, is celebrated at Rome on the 25th of March, in alleged
commemoration of the miraculous conception of our Lord in the womb of the
Virgin, on the day when the angel was sent to announce to her the
distinguished honour that was to be bestowed upon her as the mother of the
Messiah. But who could tell when this annunciation was made? The Scripture
gives no clue at all in regard to the time. But it mattered not. But our
Lord was either conceived or born, that very day now set down in the Popish
calendar for the "Annunciation of the Virgin" was observed in Pagan Rome in
honour of Cybele, the Mother of the Babylonian Messiah. *
* AMMIANUS MARCELLINUS, and MACROB., Sat. The fact stated in the paragraph
above casts light on a festival held in Egypt, of which no satisfactory
account has yet been given. That festival was held in commemoration of "the
entrance of Osiris into the moon." Now, Osiris, like Surya in India, was
just the Sun. (PLUTARCH, De Iside et Osiride) The moon, on the other hand,
though most frequently the symbol of the god Hermes or Thoth, was also the
symbol of the goddess Isis, the queen of heaven. The learned Bunsen seems to
dispute this; but his own admissions show that he does so without reason.
And Jeremiah 44:17 seems decisive on the subject. The entrance of Osiris
into the moon, then, was just the sun's being conceived by Isis, the queen
of heaven, that, like the Indian Surya, he might in due time be born as the
grand deliverer. Hence the very name Osiris; for, as Isis is the Greek form
of H'isha, "the woman," so Osiris, as read at this day on the Egyptian
monuments, is He-siri, "the seed." It is no objection to this to say that
Osiris is commonly represented as the husband of Isis; for, as we have seen
already, Osiris is at once the son and husband of his mother. Now, this
festival took place in Egypt generally in March, just as Lady-day, or the
first great festival of Cybele, was held in the same month in Pagan Rome. We
have seen that the common title of Cybele at Rome was Domina, or "the lady"
(OVID, Fasti), as in Babylon it was Beltis (EUSEB. Praep. Evang.), and from
this, no doubt, comes the name "Lady-day" as it has descended to us.
Now, it is manifest that Lady-day and Christmas-day stand in intimate
relation to one another. Between the 25th of March and the 25th of December
there are exactly nine months. If, then, the false Messiah was conceived in
March and born in December, can any one for a moment believe that the
conception and birth of the true Messiah can have so exactly synchronised,
not only to the month, but to the day? The thing is incredible. Lady-day and
Christmas-day, then, are purely Babylonian.
To celebrate this, the people would hang little round balls on
the trees as symbols of the sun, and they would give gifts to one
another.
The pagan religion of baal worship spread into different lands, using
different names for the false gods and false goddess. Baal worship got
into
the pagan roman religion of ancient rome, and some of the traditions and
feast days of the roman religion got into roman catholicism.
Christmas, which is basically named after a mass for Christ is a roman
catholic holiday, and the pagan tradition of giving gifts on Dec. 25 and
hanging balls on trees got into this holiday. - But, it is a pagan
practice
and it really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ.
So, I spent a small amount of time composing a little song about the
matter:
Oh Christmas Tree
Oh, when I die, bury me;
Hang my balls on a cherry tree.
When they're ripe, take a bite,
and that will be the end of me!
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| Title: Re: Oh Pagan Tree, Oh Pagan Tree! - A GENTILE SYMBOL FOR A GENTILERELIGION |
11 Dec 2005 05:47:56 PM |
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stone wrote:
Before the time of Moses, in the false pagan religion of Baal Worship (sun
worship), every December the 25th was celebrated as the rebirth of the false
sun god baal.
===>BAAL was originally one of the sons of the Father God EL,
along with YAHU (YHWH).
But the Winter Solsctice has been observed by many cultures for
many thousands of years. It is no more the holiday of BAAL as it
is a holiday of CHRISTOS.
To celebrate this, the people would hang little round balls on
the trees as symbols of the sun, and they would give gifts to one another.
The pagan religion of baal worship spread into different lands, using
different names for the false gods and false goddess.
===>That is FALSE.
Many cultures completely INDEPENDENTLY recognized the changing
of the seasons and the lengthening of the day after the Winter Solstice,
i.e. the "victory" of the SUN, i.e. of LIGHT OVER DARKNESS.
The Gentile religioin invented by Saul/Paul of Tarsus simply adopted
the date and the customs associated with the Winter Solstice.
Baal worship got into
the pagan roman religion of ancient rome, and some of the traditions and
feast days of the roman religion got into roman catholicism.
===>That is NONSENSE.
There was no "Baal worship" in Rome.
The Winter Solstice was celebrated as the REBIRTH OF THE SUN,
the SOL INVICTUS, i.e. Unconquered Sun.
Christmas, which is basically named after a mass for Christ is a roman
catholic holiday, and the pagan tradition of giving gifts on Dec. 25 and
hanging balls on trees got into this holiday. - But, it is a pagan practice
and it really has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ.
===>That much is true.
No one knows IF or WHEN IESOUS of the Gospel stories was ever born.
But it is utterly stupid to denounce the HOLIDAY because of that false
belief. LET THE KIDS ENJOY IT!
So, I spent a small amount of time composing a little song about the matter:
Oh Christmas Tree
Oh pagan tree, Oh pagan tree!
Keep yourself away from me!
===>How'bout:
Oh, stupid me, oh stupid me,
why am I so opposing thee,
glorious Christmas Tree! ;-)
H A P P Y H O L I D A Y S ! -- L.
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