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Religions > Bible |
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"V" |
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25 Jun 2007 02:23:47 PM |
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'On Flourishing' |
It is a common practice to confuse the two 'F' words...Fulfilling and
Flourishing.
Two other 'F' words are also important in this discussion.
They are discovering the 'Formula' for flourishing and 'Following' the
formula once we know the formula.
Always remember...'knowledge without application is useless'
So just knowing the formula is only half of the solution...we must be
good at following the formula as well.
This subject came up at a simple living group one day when I posted
how my wife was backsliding with some exercises in favor of her
workaholic tendencies.
The exercise in question was riding her little 100c dirt bike in the
back yard.
You see, as a result of my wife being overweight, she blew out one of
her knees and had an artificial joint put in.
Now she can no longer ride a bicycle.
As a practical philosopher, I always look for an excuse to continue
instead of an excuse to quit. So we split the cost of a little dirt
bike for her to continue her two wheel balance skill's on.
In addition, she was able to increase her skills in the field of
coordination by working the clutch, gearshift and foot brake with
different limbs.
A lady member of the simpleton forum piped up to say that "maybe your
wife found her work more fulfilling than riding the dirt bike?"
Probably so, (especially in the workaholics mind.)
But Flourishing?
Absolutely Not.
The more my wife overworks and the less exercise she gets, the worse
her health gets. The worse her health gets the more her overall life
decays.
But this is always a personal choice and the person themselves must
make this decision of deciding on which path to follow of Fulfilling
or Flourishing.
Sometimes the two coincide, but other times they do not, so we must be
mindful of this issue.
In short, the better one is at 'Finding the Formula for living a
Flourishing life' as well as 'Following the Formula for living a
Flourishing life' the better things are with us in the inner peace
dept.
.....My discussion of this topic from an earlier post.
The less you do...the less you will be able to do. I was reminded of
this truism back in June when the public pool opened up.
I generally swim in the pool during summer time and then just quit for
the other 9 months out of the year when the outdoor pool closes at
Labor Day.
I felt that I do many movement related activities that are just as
good as swimming such as weight training, jogging, yoga, mountain
biking, cross country skiing, etc.
Well, the day after my first day back in the pool my back was pinched
as well as my shoulder.
Apparently weight training, jogging and mountain biking is not the
same as doing the backstroke.
I first learned of this concept that the less you do...the less you
will be able to do from my Mom.
One day she got dizzy while bending over. My dad told her that he
would bend over for her, so she would not get dizzy. Apparently he did
not realize that the less you do...the less you will be able to do.
Well, his well meaning help only encouraged more dizziness in Mom
since the fluid in her ear that regulates equilibrium and balance
would stagnate from less movement.
Mom then complained about getting dizzy when she got out of bed. What
was her answer? She would sleep in a recliner at an angle so she would
not have to lie down and go through the dizziness.
The angle gradually kept getting steeper until she had to sleep
sitting almost upright.
What is V's response to all this dizziness?
If something make me dizzy - I do more of it and make myself even more
dizzy. (As long as it is not a medical issue.)
To satisfy the women critics that have complained to me about how I
lack compassion for my Mom. My Mom has gone to doctors weekly since I
was a little boy and is a pill abuser. So pills and doctors are not
the issue with her.
Movement or lack of movement is what is missing from her life not
pills and doctors. I should also say that I make myself dizzy 'within
limits.'
For instance, there are a rides at the park I do not go on cause they
will make me feel deathly ill with nausea. But if a ride gives me a
little nausea within acceptable limits I will go on it. It is good to
not injure yourself with being too extreme. Some rides give me bad
whiplash, so I avoid it.
I always check to see how am I progressing with any activity. Things
can go in 3 directions up, down or sideways. Do we get better, get
worse or stay the same? These are my guidelines I use myself and have
been quite successful with it if I bother to inquire and listen.
I've seen many MD's that are supposed to be experts at health yet they
fail terribly when it comes to themselves.
They are 'too busy' to live right?
On a walking trail I met a retired doctor the other day. He was bent
over and quite distorted. I talked with him at length about his
exercise program and diet. He does plenty of walking - but walking
bent over in bad form. Gravity keeps pulling him in the wrong
direction, so he keeps perpetuating the bad. He did no weight
training, no yoga, no stretching, no work on righting his posture
through various mechanical methods.
He was not distorted due to ill health, he was distorted from years of
heading in the wrong direction with his posture and his life.
I planted many seed in him for right living, but do not know if they
will sprout.
This is an area where we are all on level ground whether rich or
poor.
You cannot pay your butler to eat healthy food for you or to do your
exercises.
BTW, what was I doing on the asphalt walking trail? I was
rollerblading and running my gas powered motoboard. (skateboard) The
motoboard. goes 25 mph and provides good speed training as well a
balance and equilibrium training.
As we age we seem to lose many abilities.
Now, losing some skills is fine, but losing most of them is not.
Personally I have to be mindful of many areas as I like to be as well
rounded as possible with my health.
I was doing some rock climbing a few years ago near Malibu and did OK
after I got warmed up.
A year later after laying off all climbing, when I returned to the
same place to climb I had knots in my stomach when I first viewed the
climb. It looked scary to me, but once I got at it and started to
climb, the knots disappeared.
This also taught me that the less you do...the less you will be able
to do.
If I cant get some rock climbing in I try to pull out the ladder for
some second story work or climb a tree.
This year was reminded this same lesson the first time I got back on
the high dive in June.
The high dive seemed too high for me, so I stayed off it the last few
years.
This year I decided to back on the high dive. I do not do anything to
brag about on it, but just going off it was a good improvement for me.
Was hoping to do some back flips off the less high springboard, but
did not get around to trying them this season.
My regular springboard diving improved in any case and at my age I am
grateful for any improvement - it beats going backwards.
Guess I'll just have to dream about the back flips for now.
Actually dreaming can help. Psycho Cybernetics was created by Maxwell
Maltz and this process of visualizing movents to perfect them helps
with many sports.
This weekend starts a local GNCC style dirt bike course opening. It is
only opened for 7 days a year for public riding. The 2 places I rode
at last year shut down, so have had to curtail my dirt bike work.
Dirt bikes provide much in the area of equilibrium, balance and speed
training.
Also provide much physical exertion and when you ride em you will feel
it later.
Doing wheelies is also great training for an old dog like me. (53
years old)
One young neighbor lady ran out her house to chase me down the street
to scold me for doing wheelies in the street.
What is the other option that would please her...a rocking chair and
slippers?
No, I prefer to keep my rocking chair as my 450 Honda thumper that
breathes fire and emits thunder and will keep my motocross boots as my
slippers. I hope to be doing wheelies down the street when I'm 80 if I
live that long.
Tonight when I got out my dirt bikes for the first time in months I
was reminded of the less you do...the less you will be able to do.
My back was sore and wrist got pinched a little when I came down from
a wheelie and jump in my backyard while warming them up. When I go out
tomorrow will wear some wrist supports and a kidney belt but will keep
on keeping on.
Height training, speed training, strength training, mental training,
flexibility training, balance and equilibrium training - there are
many areas to train ourselves.
If you aspire to be a mountaineer there is cold training as well as
high altitude training as good preparation for climbing Everest or K2.
If you ski then speed training is good.
But speed training on skis is different from speed training on
snowboards, as I found out last year.
And speed training in snow sports is different from speed training
while driving a motorcycle as my son found out.
And speed training while driving a motorcycle is different from speed
training while sprinting the 100 meters.
And none of the preceding activities necessarily help with riding a
unicycle or learning to juggle.
Cross training is important, but many activities do not exactly
replace other activities.
So, the moral of the story is do all that you can do, for a day will
come when you cannot do it any longer and all you can do is watch.
This year will seek out a public indoor pool for the other 9 months
cause in addition to doing my weight training, jogging, speed
training, mountain biking, cross country skiing, snowboarding and yoga
- they are not the same as doing the backstroke.
And no matter what physical activity you participate in, don't forget
to warm up and stretch.
What does this post have to do with addiction recovery work as one
lady critic wrote me when it was posted earlier to a 12 step group?
You can answer that question for yourself whether you are a recovering
addict or not.
Do you have a better chance at recovery and at living a flourishing
life when your mind is clear, you body is healthy, you feel confident
and have self esteem?
Or do you do better when you are a dizzy mess, depressed, losing
mobility, losing skills, fearful and in poor physical shape?
"Minds like bodies will often fall into a pimpled, ill condition state
from mere excess of comfort" ~ Charles Dickens
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: 'On Flourishing' |
25 Jun 2007 05:49:48 PM |
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I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: 'On Flourishing' |
25 Jun 2007 06:50:14 PM |
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On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Why do you lack belief my friend?
Again, I have no reason to lie to anyone
If I was going to lie, I would have not made her fat.
Atheists must be the most skeptical and non trusting people on the
planet...everything I say here is viewed as a lie.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: 'On Flourishing' |
25 Jun 2007 07:02:55 PM |
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On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Why do you lack belief my friend?
What kind of belief?
Again, I have no reason to lie to anyone
Sure you do.
If I was going to lie, I would have not made her fat.
I see no reason for that to stop you from lying.
Atheists must be the most skeptical and non trusting people on the
planet...everything I say here is viewed as a lie.
I trust lots of people. I don't view everything you say as a lie, just
some things.
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| User: "V" |
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25 Jun 2007 07:11:52 PM |
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On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Sure, I care.
You are one of my favorite teachers Neil.
I learn a lot from you.
But if your into chatting, write me direct as we are getting away from
the topic at hand.
v
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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| Title: Re: 'On Flourishing' |
26 Jun 2007 10:37:14 AM |
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On Jun 25, 5:11 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Sure, I care.
You are one of my favorite teachers Neil.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
I learn a lot from you.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
But if your into chatting, write me direct as we are getting away from
the topic at hand.
Since when has the topic at hand ever concerned you? I think I'd
rather keep any conversations on alt.atheism at this point, thanks for
the offer though...
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| User: "V" |
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06 Jul 2007 03:25:59 PM |
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On Jun 26, 11:37?am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:11 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Sure, I care.
You are one of my favorite teachers Neil.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
I learn a lot from you.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
But if your into chatting, write me direct as we are getting away from
the topic at hand.
Since when has the topic at hand ever concerned you? I think I'd
rather keep any conversations on alt.atheism at this point, thanks for
the offer though...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, I'm an ADD and not very bright, so I do the best I can following
stuff Neil.
What are you afraid of by writing direct and detaching ego?
V
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jul 2007 09:34:37 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:25:59 -0700, V wrote:
Well, I'm an ADD and not very bright
True dat.
HO! <WHACK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Warned you we tried! Listen you did not! Now screwed
we will all be!"
http://www.sequentialpictures.com/moviestarwarsepisode3.html
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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06 Jul 2007 06:05:25 PM |
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On Jul 6, 1:25 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:37?am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:11 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Sure, I care.
You are one of my favorite teachers Neil.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
I learn a lot from you.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
But if your into chatting, write me direct as we are getting away from
the topic at hand.
Since when has the topic at hand ever concerned you? I think I'd
rather keep any conversations on alt.atheism at this point, thanks for
the offer though...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, I'm an ADD and not very bright, so I do the best I can following
stuff Neil.
That's interesting (I don't know about the "not very bright" part),
and gives me some understanding and sympathy towards your odd way of
communicating. I can't know what it's like to have ADD and you can't
know what it's like not to have it. I appreciate your more frequent
attempts at dialogue though. Your monologues still remain as morbidly
bizarre, though, at least for me.
What are you afraid of by writing direct and detaching ego?
V, V, V...calling me chicken won't work. If I ever come to trust you,
fine, but at this point, you have this habit of taking what people say
(me included) out of context and you make stuff up about them, so
that's what I'm afraid of. I do not trust you, not by a long shot.
And I've already told you what I think about ego. People often toss
that word around without knowing where it comes from. It is a Freudian
term. The ego is part of his three part psyche. A healthy adult
BALANCES the ego with the superego and the id, they don't DETACH the
ego. A healthy ego is a good thing. An enormous ego or a non-existent
ego isn't, at least in Freud's world, and he's the one who made it
up.
Coincidentally, I'm reading his "Introductory Letures on
Psychoanalysis" at the moment. I am getting an idea of how important
the thinkers (Darwin and Einstein)of the 19th/early 20th century were.
Some parts of the world had abandonded superstition for the first time
(which is progress), but Freud went back and re-examined some things
that were tossed aside as being irrelevant superstitions. Like dreams.
Dream interpreters formerly had a place of importance in certain
cultures, and Freud was the first to interpret dreams from a modern
superstition-free POV. Anyway, I find it interesting, at least.
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| User: "V" |
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06 Jul 2007 07:34:24 PM |
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On Jul 6, 7:05?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 1:25 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:37?am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:11 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Sure, I care.
You are one of my favorite teachers Neil.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
I learn a lot from you.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
But if your into chatting, write me direct as we are getting away from
the topic at hand.
Since when has the topic at hand ever concerned you? I think I'd
rather keep any conversations on alt.atheism at this point, thanks for
the offer though...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, I'm an ADD and not very bright, so I do the best I can following
stuff Neil.
That's interesting (I don't know about the "not very bright" part),
and gives me some understanding and sympathy towards your odd way of
communicating. I can't know what it's like to have ADD and you can't
know what it's like not to have it. I appreciate your more frequent
attempts at dialogue though. Your monologues still remain as morbidly
bizarre, though, at least for me.
Well, was not much of an acadmeic. 2,3 gpa in college with simple
degree in woodworking.
But that is of no importance, we just work with what we got.
What are you afraid of by writing direct and detaching ego?
V, V, V...calling me chicken won't work. If I ever come to trust you,
fine, but at this point, you have this habit of taking what people say
(me included) out of context and you make stuff up about them, so
that's what I'm afraid of. I do not trust you, not by a long shot.
How do you think I have been unfair to you?
Sure I use your past dialogues in my posts, but I have been very
honest.
You can't dismiss it all 'as a joke' on your part Neil..now you are
being dishonest.
If you like I will update the posts to include a note that 'you
apologized,' but I can't rewrite them, Don't have the time Neil. Will
add an addendum to satisfy your bruised ego? Will that satsify you? If
not, will leave them as is.
Don't get your ego hurt in any case Neil, just learn from your
mistakes.
I've told you it is nothing personal, you just ended up in my posts as
an example atheist that is all.
Now give me the facts about your education and career, stop hiding and
ruining scared Neil.
And I've already told you what I think about ego. People often toss
that word around without knowing where it comes from. It is a Freudian
term. The ego is part of his three part psyche. A healthy adult
BALANCES the ego with the superego and the id, they don't DETACH the
ego. A healthy ego is a good thing. An enormous ego or a non-existent
ego isn't, at least in Freud's world, and he's the one who made it
up.
Coincidentally, I'm reading his "Introductory Letures on
Psychoanalysis" at the moment. I am getting an idea of how important
the thinkers (Darwin and Einstein)of the 19th/early 20th century were.
Some parts of the world had abandonded superstition for the first time
(which is progress), but Freud went back and re-examined some things
that were tossed aside as being irrelevant superstitions. Like dreams.
Dream interpreters formerly had a place of importance in certain
cultures, and Freud was the first to interpret dreams from a modern
superstition-free POV. Anyway, I find it interesting, at least.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Ahh.ego.
I am not up on all the ego details, but thanks for the lecture. I will
print it out to study it.
Ego becomes a problem when it blinds an individual to truth Neil.
As I said am not much of an academic, so I simplify my notion of ego
In grade school I used to look out the window, draw pictures of guns
and daydream....that was how it was for an ADD. Too much concentration
is painful.
Another example?
If I was a dentist I could do one or two teeth a day then would be
burnt out...too much concentration is painful.
But as you mentioned it takes balance. So if the world was just all
'academics brains' who would pick up the trash or flush the crap...or
write on the topics I write on?
V
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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06 Jul 2007 09:35:05 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:34:24 -0700, V wrote:
Well
HO! <WHACK>
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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06 Jul 2007 08:28:08 PM |
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On Jul 6, 5:34 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 7:05?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 6, 1:25 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 11:37?am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:11 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Sure, I care.
You are one of my favorite teachers Neil.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
I learn a lot from you.
Then you're in REAL trouble.
But if your into chatting, write me direct as we are getting away from
the topic at hand.
Since when has the topic at hand ever concerned you? I think I'd
rather keep any conversations on alt.atheism at this point, thanks for
the offer though...- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, I'm an ADD and not very bright, so I do the best I can following
stuff Neil.
That's interesting (I don't know about the "not very bright" part),
and gives me some understanding and sympathy towards your odd way of
communicating. I can't know what it's like to have ADD and you can't
know what it's like not to have it. I appreciate your more frequent
attempts at dialogue though. Your monologues still remain as morbidly
bizarre, though, at least for me.
Well, was not much of an acadmeic. 2,3 gpa in college with simple
degree in woodworking.
But that is of no importance, we just work with what we got.
What are you afraid of by writing direct and detaching ego?
V, V, V...calling me chicken won't work. If I ever come to trust you,
fine, but at this point, you have this habit of taking what people say
(me included) out of context and you make stuff up about them, so
that's what I'm afraid of. I do not trust you, not by a long shot.
How do you think I have been unfair to you?
Did I say unfair? You can do whatever you want, it's your choice. I
just don't trust you, that's another matter. What you do with my words
is irrelevant, but indicitave. I see you do the same thing to most of
the other atheists too. You quote them out of context, and invariably
act all hurt over what I take to be some pretty funny insults. You
don't like being the brunt of the jokes (I understand that), but you
also invite them by being a complete dork. Do not quote me out of
context here, because I'm a complete dork too. That's what you fail to
comprehend. I think we're all bozos on this bus.
Sure I use your past dialogues in my posts, but I have been very
honest.
I am always suspicious of self-analysis. People are often not very
objective about themselves, and view themselves as the opposite to
what other people see them as. You calling yourself very honest raises
all my alarm bells. I don't think you're honest at all. You think you
are, but you're not.
You can't dismiss it all 'as a joke' on your part Neil..now you are
being dishonest.
Yes I can. The idea of eloctrocuting people for using parables is
funny to me, unless someone actually DOES it, in which case it ceases
to be funny. I've never heard of this ever happening.
If you like I will update the posts to include a note that 'you
apologized,' but I can't rewrite them, Don't have the time Neil.
I interpret that as saying "I don't want to." In other words, you feel
the need to take a swing at me because I don't take you seriously.
It's alright, keep the words, change them, they don't effect me beyond
not wanting to repeat them to you, and realizing that you're not
someone I can joke around with (one of my favourite pastimes, and I
get the feeling a lot of us on alt.atheism are the same way). You WERE
the brunt of that joke, I understand your feeling wounded by it. I was
testing the waters with you, to see how you'd take it, and you took it
as I expected. Oh well. I'm not used to spelling out my actions like
this, but with you I need to.
Will
add an addendum to satisfy your bruised ego? Will that satsify you? If
not, will leave them as is.
Your choice, don't care.
Don't get your ego hurt in any case Neil, just learn from your
mistakes.
HO! <whack!>
I've told you it is nothing personal, you just ended up in my posts as
an example atheist that is all.
Now give me the facts about your education and career, stop hiding and
ruining scared Neil.
I really am an anti-authoritarian, V. Demanding I do stuff will have
the opposite result. I'm tempted to make up something amusing, for
fun, but out of respect for your serious nature I won't bother. But
out of respect for my non-serious nature I'm not coughing up an
answer.
It's interesting that you spelled it "ruining scared."
And I've already told you what I think about ego. People often toss
that word around without knowing where it comes from. It is a Freudian
term. The ego is part of his three part psyche. A healthy adult
BALANCES the ego with the superego and the id, they don't DETACH the
ego. A healthy ego is a good thing. An enormous ego or a non-existent
ego isn't, at least in Freud's world, and he's the one who made it
up.
Coincidentally, I'm reading his "Introductory Letures on
Psychoanalysis" at the moment. I am getting an idea of how important
the thinkers (Darwin and Einstein) of the 19th/early 20th century were.
Some parts of the world had abandonded superstition for the first time
(which is progress), but Freud went back and re-examined some things
that were tossed aside as being irrelevant superstitions. Like dreams.
Dream interpreters formerly had a place of importance in certain
cultures, and Freud was the first to interpret dreams from a modern
superstition-free POV. Anyway, I find it interesting, at least.-
Ahh.ego.
I am not up on all the ego details, but thanks for the lecture. I will
print it out to study it.
Ego becomes a problem when it blinds an individual to truth Neil.
HO! <whack!>
As I said am not much of an academic, so I simplify my notion of ego
Well then you are redefining language like a typical theist. You're
not up on ANY of the "ego details." The concept of ego has a specific
meaning within a specific paradigm. You are not "simplifying" it, you
are ignoring it. Your definition of someone else's word (Freud, no
less!) becomes more important than theirs, and this process ironically
demonstrates an egotistical act on your part. Egotistical acts mean
that the ego is out of balance. I think I need to spell this out for
you.
In grade school I used to look out the window, draw pictures of guns
and daydream....that was how it was for an ADD. Too much concentration
is painful.
And yet you can read and produce reams of information on religion and
spirituality. I'm not buying it, you can concentrate just fine on
those. Concentrating on "academic" subjects requires no more effort
than you've plainly put in to your hobby horses. I think it's
something else that you find painful.
Another example?
If I was a dentist I could do one or two teeth a day then would be
burnt out...too much concentration is painful.
But as you mentioned it takes balance.
Balance between what?
So if the world was just all
'academics brains' who would pick up the trash or flush the crap...or
write on the topics I write on?
I also don't buy your distinction about "academic brains." Just
because someone has a crappy job doesn't mean they have to give up
intellectually. I don't stereotype people like that. I've worked with
tons of factory workers who are every bit as smart as the people in
management, a lot of times they're way smarter.
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25 Jun 2007 07:08:18 PM |
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On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Why do you lack belief my friend?
What kind of belief?
Again, I have no reason to lie to anyone
Sure you do.
If I was going to lie, I would have not made her fat.
I see no reason for that to stop you from lying.
Atheists must be the most skeptical and non trusting people on the
planet...everything I say here is viewed as a lie.
I trust lots of people. I don't view everything you say as a lie, just
some things.
Well, what criterion do you use to determine when I am lying Neil?
Gut feeling??
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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26 Jun 2007 10:38:00 AM |
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On Jun 25, 5:08 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 8:02?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:50 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:49?pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I lack belief that there is a "Mrs. V"
Hi Neil,
Have not heard from you in some time.
How have you been doing?
Do you care?
Why do you lack belief my friend?
What kind of belief?
Again, I have no reason to lie to anyone
Sure you do.
If I was going to lie, I would have not made her fat.
I see no reason for that to stop you from lying.
Atheists must be the most skeptical and non trusting people on the
planet...everything I say here is viewed as a lie.
I trust lots of people. I don't view everything you say as a lie, just
some things.
Well, what criterion do you use to determine when I am lying Neil?
It's just a guess. You might not be lying, but you are prone to lying.
Gut feeling??
No. Your posting history and your anti-social behaviour lead me to
think you'd have a hard time maintaining a marriage. Unless it was
with a completely submissive spouse.
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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25 Jun 2007 02:49:41 PM |
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On Jun 25, 8:23 pm, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
It is a common practice to confuse the two 'F' words...Fulfilling and
Flourishing.
Two other 'F' words are also important in this discussion.
Tee hee. The thing about people who are clueless about what makes
normal human beings tick is that they can be inadvertently very
entertaining.
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25 Jun 2007 03:12:54 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
It is a common practice to confuse the two 'F' words...Fulfilling and
Flourishing.
Two other 'F' words are also important in this discussion.
They are discovering the 'Formula' for flourishing and 'Following' the
formula once we know the formula.
Always remember...'knowledge without application is useless'
So just knowing the formula is only half of the solution...we must be
good at following the formula as well.
Then I suggest you start working at it, instead of wasting your time
here.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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25 Jun 2007 07:05:33 PM |
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On Jun 25, 4:12?pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
It is a common practice to confuse the two 'F' words...Fulfilling and
Flourishing.
Two other 'F' words are also important in this discussion.
They are discovering the 'Formula' for flourishing and 'Following' the
formula once we know the formula.
Always remember...'knowledge without application is useless'
So just knowing the formula is only half of the solution...we must be
good at following the formula as well.
Then I suggest you start working at it, instead of wasting your time
here.
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It is no waste my friend.
What I write I also reread myself periodically to crystallize what
needs to be done to keep me going in the right direction.
It is also a good roadmap for how I got to where I am today, as it is
easy for me to forget - since being at peace and being in a recovered
state from my addictions is not my normal way.
As I plant seeds of peace in others, it waters those same seeds of
peace within me.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "raven1" |
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25 Jun 2007 07:37:57 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:05:33 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 25, 4:12?pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
It is a common practice to confuse the two 'F' words...Fulfilling and
Flourishing.
Two other 'F' words are also important in this discussion.
They are discovering the 'Formula' for flourishing and 'Following' the
formula once we know the formula.
Always remember...'knowledge without application is useless'
So just knowing the formula is only half of the solution...we must be
good at following the formula as well.
Then I suggest you start working at it, instead of wasting your time
here.
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It is no waste my friend.
What I write I also reread myself periodically to crystallize what
needs to be done to keep me going in the right direction.
All well and good. But no one here is interested in it.
It is also a good roadmap for how I got to where I am today, as it is
easy for me to forget - since being at peace and being in a recovered
state from my addictions is not my normal way.
It's not how you present yourself here, either. Seriously, you need to
do a lot more work on yourself before you presume to help others. And
it is both rude and presumptuous to continue to offer to help others
after they've told you multiple times that they don't want or need it.
As I plant seeds of peace in others, it waters those same seeds of
peace within me.
Then may I suggest that you do so in a forum where people are actually
interested?
Oh, and stop using an aa number that you're not entitled to. Doing so
raises serious questions about your character, integrity, and
credibility. If you'd like for people to start taking you more
seriously, or at least to abuse you less often, dropping the bogus aa
signature would be the single biggest step you could take towards that
goal.
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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25 Jun 2007 05:41:06 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V wrote:
It<snip>
You were doing okay those first few lines then you blew it...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
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25 Jun 2007 07:03:27 PM |
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On Jun 25, 6:41?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V wrote:
It<snip>
You were doing okay those first few lines then you blew it...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"What the hell is an aluminum Falcon?"
I believe that is the only compliment I have ever received from you
Mark. (albeit a compliment for just a couple of lines of my post)
You are a famous and one time successful author Mark
So you rewrite my post in your own words and I will adopt your
version, if it speaks to me. And I will send it out in the future and
give you the credit...'written by Mark K. Bilbo for V'
We can be partners in a new age of atheism and agnostics...true
freethinkers Mark.
You too Neil, your a smart guy, AK and the rest..start writing and
submitting and we can get a book together with all the talents in this
groups.
Call it 'Peace Based Atheism' or whatever you like.
(Don't know about Robyn and her mouth though? We will need to clean up
her chapter some.)
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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25 Jun 2007 07:28:40 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:03:27 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:41?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V wrote:
It<snip>
You were doing okay those first few lines then you blew it...
I believe that is the only compliment I have ever received from you
Mark. (albeit a compliment for just a couple of lines of my post)
WHOOOSH! Blew by in both lanes!
You are a famous and one time successful author Mark
Famous? Are you nuts? Oh yeah, you are.
Over FIFTEEN YEARS AGO, I was a "mid-list" Macintosh author. I reached a
level of being reasonably well known among Mac software producers (I *do
miss being able to call somebody up and get free software) but "famous?"
No. Frakking. Way.
And far as "one time", you have *no clue what I'm doing now. And I
wouldn't be interested in telling you.
So you rewrite my post in your own words and I will adopt your version,
if it speaks to me. And I will send it out in the future and give you
the credit...'written by Mark K. Bilbo for V'
<retch> <gag>
We can be partners in a new age of atheism and agnostics...true
freethinkers Mark.
<snork>
What part of "nobody in alt.atheism can stand you" are you not getting?
You really think that after trashing everybody in sight in this ng and
spitting on every rule and convention around here that *anybody wants
anything to do with you?
You lunatic. You've been killfiled by most all of the regulars. I'm one
of the last left bothering with you. And I'll get bored soon.
You too Neil, your a smart guy, AK and the rest..start writing and
submitting and we can get a book together with all the talents in this
groups.
Call it 'Peace Based Atheism' or whatever you like.
If you want a ghost writer, pony up the cash.
(Don't know about Robyn and her mouth though? We will need to clean up
her chapter some.)
Robyn is far, far better person than you'd be if you had a million years
to work on it.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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26 Jun 2007 02:39:54 AM |
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On Jun 26, 1:28 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:03:27 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:41?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V wrote:
It<snip>
You were doing okay those first few lines then you blew it...
I believe that is the only compliment I have ever received from you
Mark. (albeit a compliment for just a couple of lines of my post)
WHOOOSH! Blew by in both lanes!
You are a famous and one time successful author Mark
Famous? Are you nuts? Oh yeah, you are.
Over FIFTEEN YEARS AGO, I was a "mid-list" Macintosh author. I reached a
level of being reasonably well known among Mac software producers (I *do
miss being able to call somebody up and get free software) but "famous?"
No. Frakking. Way.
And far as "one time", you have *no clue what I'm doing now. And I
wouldn't be interested in telling you.
So you rewrite my post in your own words and I will adopt your version,
if it speaks to me. And I will send it out in the future and give you
the credit...'written by Mark K. Bilbo for V'
<retch> <gag>
We can be partners in a new age of atheism and agnostics...true
freethinkers Mark.
<snork>
What part of "nobody in alt.atheism can stand you" are you not getting?
It's a form of dyslexia. He's blind to the first two words in a
sentence.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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26 Jun 2007 09:51:34 AM |
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On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:39:54 -0700, The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jun 26, 1:28 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:03:27 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 25, 6:41?pm, "Mark K. Bilbo" <g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:23:47 -0700, V wrote:
It<snip>
You were doing okay those first few lines then you blew it...
I believe that is the only compliment I have ever received from you
Mark. (albeit a compliment for just a couple of lines of my post)
WHOOOSH! Blew by in both lanes!
You are a famous and one time successful author Mark
Famous? Are you nuts? Oh yeah, you are.
Over FIFTEEN YEARS AGO, I was a "mid-list" Macintosh author. I reached
a level of being reasonably well known among Mac software producers (I
*do miss being able to call somebody up and get free software) but
"famous?"
No. Frakking. Way.
And far as "one time", you have *no clue what I'm doing now. And I
wouldn't be interested in telling you.
So you rewrite my post in your own words and I will adopt your
version, if it speaks to me. And I will send it out in the future and
give you the credit...'written by Mark K. Bilbo for V'
<retch> <gag>
We can be partners in a new age of atheism and agnostics...true
freethinkers Mark.
<snork>
What part of "nobody in alt.atheism can stand you" are you not getting?
It's a form of dyslexia. He's blind to the first two words in a
sentence.
Head Up!
Insert directly in the *****!
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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