Religions > Bible > Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!!
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21 Apr 2005 01:58:34 AM |
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Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive. You
pick the topic.
Theology topics
Theology of the Sabbath (Saturday, Sunday, or any day of the week)?
KJV onlyism the case for or against
The case in favor of Cessationalism-The sign gifts did cease! Yes the
gift of toungues and HEALING ARE OUT!
Womens roles in the church- A women shall not teach or have authority
over a man!
Theology of worship- What is worship?
Ministry topics
The Emerging Church- This movement is CORRUPTED for the most part
Debt- What does the bible mean when it says "let no debt remain
outstanding? Some think that taking on loans and such is a sin.
Philosophy of engaging the culture- In my view it is not wrong for
christians to watch TV, play video games, dance, and such. I believe
that true christians need to learn how to SUBVERT the culture
Pastor Joel Osteen- If any of you think that Joel is corrupted or not
saved I'd love to debate you
The case for small groups in the church- In my view small groups
belong in every church. Some disagree and see no benefit to small
group ministries. Well you are wrong.
Apologetics
I am against all of these cults..
Word of faith theology
Oneness pentecostalism
Mormonism
Universalism
Christian Science
This is all I can think of at this time.
Come on Rogue, Bilbo, Walz or whoever.
John
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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21 Apr 2005 06:15:53 AM |
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On 20 Apr 2005 23:58:34 -0700 in free.christians,
johnw_94020@yahoo.com (johnw_94020@yahoo.com) said, directing the
reply to free.christians
I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive. You
pick the topic.
I'll give you a go, if you like. But the topics you've suggested are a
little narrow.
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines of
"Christianity is an immoral religion," or "Secular validation of
biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity," or even "There is no moral difference between a
Christian and those who knew of the death camps, took no personal hand
in them, but continued to support Hitler".
And should you go for it, please let me know the name of your
executor, so I can find out where to send the body when we're done.
[snip]
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- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
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| User: "John" |
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21 Apr 2005 10:16:14 AM |
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I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
John
In article <ible61pq54jimvhvrdtrilttg5e6gf5e4m@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines of
"Christianity is an immoral religion," or "Secular validation of
biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity," or even "There is no moral difference between a
Christian and those who knew of the death camps, took no personal hand
in them, but continued to support Hitler".
--
My bible page
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 12:28:25 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:16:14 -0700 in free.christians, John (John
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
Ah, so like the tobacco companies, you're not interested in new
customers, but converting existing customers to your brand.
That's credible....
In article <ible61pq54jimvhvrdtrilttg5e6gf5e4m@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines of
"Christianity is an immoral religion," or "Secular validation of
biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity," or even "There is no moral difference between a
Christian and those who knew of the death camps, took no personal hand
in them, but continued to support Hitler".
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| User: "Roger" |
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21 Apr 2005 11:19:14 AM |
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In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be John wrote
in message
<1114096574.8c722f6efc44282e681e8968b71a82eb@teranews>:
In article <ible61pq54jimvhvrdtrilttg5e6gf5e4m@4ax.com>,
Therion Ware <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines of
"Christianity is an immoral religion," or "Secular validation of
biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity," or even "There is no moral difference between a
Christian and those who knew of the death camps, took no personal hand
in them, but continued to support Hitler".
I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
.... and to alt.parenting.solutions, where it is off topic, but where
zie knows zie can annoy folk.
Does your god actually condone lying, "john?"
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| User: "Bev A. Kupf" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 11:12:31 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:16:14 -0700,
John (johnw_94020@yahoo.com) wrote:
I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
--
Many a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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21 Apr 2005 02:29:15 PM |
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Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius
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| User: "jw j" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
22 Apr 2005 04:28:19 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
If I were a custodial parent, I'd be in there.
jw
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
22 Apr 2005 05:12:19 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 02:28:19 -0700 in free.christians, jw <j
w<no>@yahoo.com> (jw <j w<no>@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
If I were a custodial parent, I'd be in there.
But happily Judges are, in the main a bit more sensible than that.
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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22 Apr 2005 04:54:17 PM |
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jw
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
jw
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Because bigots only want to hear what they already think they know!
Steve
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| User: "jw j" |
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22 Apr 2005 09:18:13 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:54:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
jw
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Because bigots only want to hear what they already think they know!
Steve
Now THERE's a remark by a bigot!
"If you're a Christian, you're a bigot!"
jw
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
23 Apr 2005 09:06:36 PM |
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jw
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:54:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
jw
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Because bigots only want to hear what they already think they know!
Steve
Now THERE's a remark by a bigot!
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No, a bigot is someone who manifests negative beliefs about others
which are unfounded.
"If you're a Christian, you're a bigot!"
jw
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It is an obvious truth.
Believing that others are sinful and won't go to your "Heaven",
when you have no actual supportable knowledge of the nature of
any Gawd, is simple uninformed bigotry.
Steve
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| User: "jw j" |
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23 Apr 2005 10:06:08 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:06:36 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:54:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
jw
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Because bigots only want to hear what they already think they know!
Steve
Now THERE's a remark by a bigot!
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No, a bigot is someone who manifests negative beliefs about others
which are unfounded.
"If you're a Christian, you're a bigot!"
jw
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It is an obvious truth.
Believing that others are sinful and won't go to your "Heaven",
when you have no actual supportable knowledge of the nature of
any Gawd, is simple uninformed bigotry.
That is an uninformed statement.
And for you to make unsupported, ridiculous remarks like that is the
lowest form of bigotry, religious bigotry.
jw
Steve
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| User: "R. Steve Walz" |
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24 Apr 2005 07:18:13 AM |
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jw
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:06:36 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:54:17 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
jw
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:29:15 -0400, mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid (Mike
Rosenberg) wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:
Since when is alt.parenting.solutions a Christian newsgroup? There
are plenty of parents who aren't Christian.
Or who _are_ Christian but come to that group to discuss, oddly enough,
parenting.
Why would it be odd that Christian parents would come to a group to
discuss parenting?
jw
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Because bigots only want to hear what they already think they know!
Steve
Now THERE's a remark by a bigot!
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No, a bigot is someone who manifests negative beliefs about others
which are unfounded.
"If you're a Christian, you're a bigot!"
jw
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It is an obvious truth.
Believing that others are sinful and won't go to your "Heaven",
when you have no actual supportable knowledge of the nature of
any Gawd, is simple uninformed bigotry.
That is an uninformed statement.
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Nope, nobody knows Gawd's Will.
And for you to make unsupported, ridiculous remarks like that is the
lowest form of bigotry, religious bigotry.
jw
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Liar.
The bible was written by flawed and venal lying humans. Thus it was
written for their criminal purposes. Those who say it was written
"by Gawd" are simply LYING, they were more of those flawed humans.
The bible cannot be trusted to be any more than a con-job, it's a lie.
Steve
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| User: "Secular fundamentalist" |
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21 Apr 2005 12:20:03 PM |
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The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood John
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com>,who intoned thus:
I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
And free.christians, which is not a christian board.
David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208
Due to be prayed for by Gastrich 11.3.2011
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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21 Apr 2005 12:22:35 PM |
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"Secular fundamentalist" <aardvarkantiques@answersinthephonebook.org> wrote
in message news:l4of6150bcn7jso53lcpp7oi72kqlagmo5@4ax.com...
The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood John
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com>,who intoned thus:
I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
And free.christians, which is not a christian board.
Oh, you mean the "stroke Jason's ego" board?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Bride of Satan
#1557
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| User: "Antagonist for God" |
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21 Apr 2005 12:22:41 PM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:20:03 +0100, Secular
fundamentalist
<aardvarkantiques@answersinthephonebook.org> spake
thusly:
The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood John
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com>,who intoned thus:
I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
message to christian boards anyways.
And free.christians, which is not a christian board.
It isn't? Then why is it called one?
--
Antagonist for God
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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21 Apr 2005 12:45:20 PM |
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"Antagonist for God" <news-group-mail@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in
message news:6aof61trd42v0b70ptrs634cu5t0cndu1a@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:20:03 +0100, Secular
: fundamentalist
: <aardvarkantiques@answersinthephonebook.org> spake
: thusly:
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: >The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood John
: ><johnw_94020@yahoo.com>,who intoned thus:
: >>I cant. I wish to debate on one of the issues I listed. Perhaps such
: >>issues are not appropiate for atheists like you. My primary debating
: >>audience at least around here is among christians. I posted this
: >>message to christian boards anyways.
: >
: >And free.christians, which is not a christian board.
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: It isn't? Then why is it called one?
Because it's in the "free" hierarchy. Doesn't matter what comes after the
"free"....anything goes.
Which, by the way, is one reason I have no personal qualms about posting to
it. That, and the fact that it real purpose is to be a Jason Gastrich
circle-jerk.
Just Mark
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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| Title: "Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of Christianity" was ... Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 10:26:08 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines of...
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity"
Many a Christian person claims that God told them something. They
then rely on that claim to promote any idea they may have or want to
promote. Unfortunately, many Christian pastors use that claim to
promote or "bully in" their personal agenda. At this writing, I know
of a situation where a bully pastor has gathered his minions and is
splitting a church, in the process of putting a 165-member
congregation under a four-million dollar debt. At that point, he will
leave town and move on to his next church "gig" with a larger income
and better retirement plan, leaving 165 people to pay the four-million
dollar bill.
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity"
So what's your idea behind your above quote?
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: "Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of Christianity" was ... Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 11:47:32 AM |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:26:08 GMT in free.christians, Don <- - - - -
--- somebody@worldwide.net> (Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines of...
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity"
Many a Christian person claims that God told them something. They
then rely on that claim to promote any idea they may have or want to
promote. Unfortunately, many Christian pastors use that claim to
promote or "bully in" their personal agenda. At this writing, I know
of a situation where a bully pastor has gathered his minions and is
splitting a church, in the process of putting a 165-member
congregation under a four-million dollar debt. At that point, he will
leave town and move on to his next church "gig" with a larger income
and better retirement plan, leaving 165 people to pay the four-million
dollar bill.
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of
Christianity"
So what's your idea behind your above quote?
Yesterday I went to the cinema to see Sahara.
On the way I popped into the Chinese restaurant over the road from the
cinema and had a bite to eat. On leaving to see the film at about
20:55 the Goddess Ishtar-Lilith appeared to me, and bade me deliver a
message to all mankind.
Do you believe me? If not, why not?
After all, you can verify the existence of the cinema, the film, and
the Chinese restaurant, and the time and places. You can even place
me in them; it's a big place and there were maybe 500 witnesses to my
presence. I can even show you the ticket stubs, restaurant bill, and
tell you what I ate and if you hurry, prove it), and probably produce
the CCTV footage from the restaurant ('cos Stevenage is a hard
place)..
But are you therefore compelled to believe that Ishtar-Lilith appeared
to me because I can prove the physical constituents of my story? That
I was where I said I was at the time I said I was, and can prove it in
any reasonable sense.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
Market Your DVD to The World For Almost Nothing: www.instantdvd.tv
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| Title: Re: "Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of Christianity" was ... Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 12:10:09 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:26:08 GMT in free.christians, Don <- - - - -
--- somebody@worldwide.net> (Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines
of...
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates
the religious claims of
Christianity"
Many a Christian person claims that God told them something. They
then rely on that claim to promote any idea they may have or want to
promote. Unfortunately, many Christian pastors use that claim to
promote or "bully in" their personal agenda. At this writing, I
know
of a situation where a bully pastor has gathered his minions and is
splitting a church, in the process of putting a 165-member
congregation under a four-million dollar debt. At that point, he
will
leave town and move on to his next church "gig" with a larger income
and better retirement plan, leaving 165 people to pay the
four-million
dollar bill.
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates
the religious claims of
Christianity"
So what's your idea behind your above quote?
Yesterday I went to the cinema to see Sahara.
On the way I popped into the Chinese restaurant over the road from
the
cinema and had a bite to eat. On leaving to see the film at about
20:55 the Goddess Ishtar-Lilith appeared to me, and bade me deliver
a
message to all mankind.
Do you believe me? If not, why not?
No!
If you were going to see Sahara, you must have been in a state of
delirium to begin with. Your judgement and "hold on reality" is
suspect. <grin>
Al
After all, you can verify the existence of the cinema, the film, and
the Chinese restaurant, and the time and places. You can even place
me in them; it's a big place and there were maybe 500 witnesses to
my
presence. I can even show you the ticket stubs, restaurant bill,
and
tell you what I ate and if you hurry, prove it), and probably
produce
the CCTV footage from the restaurant ('cos Stevenage is a hard
place)..
But are you therefore compelled to believe that Ishtar-Lilith
appeared
to me because I can prove the physical constituents of my story? That
I was where I said I was at the time I said I was, and can prove it
in
any reasonable sense.
--
"Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You."
- Attrib: Pauline Reage.
Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion?
See: www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD.
Market Your DVD to The World For Almost Nothing: www.instantdvd.tv
** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.
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| Title: Re: "Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of Christianity" was ... Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
22 Apr 2005 12:40:17 AM |
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On 21 Apr 2005 10:10:09 -0700 in free.christians,
() said, directing the reply to free.christians
Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:26:08 GMT in free.christians, Don <- - - - -
--- somebody@worldwide.net> (Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines
of...
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates
the religious claims of
Christianity"
Many a Christian person claims that God told them something. They
then rely on that claim to promote any idea they may have or want to
promote. Unfortunately, many Christian pastors use that claim to
promote or "bully in" their personal agenda. At this writing, I
know
of a situation where a bully pastor has gathered his minions and is
splitting a church, in the process of putting a 165-member
congregation under a four-million dollar debt. At that point, he
will
leave town and move on to his next church "gig" with a larger income
and better retirement plan, leaving 165 people to pay the
four-million
dollar bill.
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates
the religious claims of
Christianity"
So what's your idea behind your above quote?
Yesterday I went to the cinema to see Sahara.
On the way I popped into the Chinese restaurant over the road from
the
cinema and had a bite to eat. On leaving to see the film at about
20:55 the Goddess Ishtar-Lilith appeared to me, and bade me deliver
a
message to all mankind.
Do you believe me? If not, why not?
No!
If you were going to see Sahara, you must have been in a state of
delirium to begin with. Your judgement and "hold on reality" is
suspect. <grin>
You have found the fatal flaw in my argument!
[snip]
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| User: "Don - - - - - ---" |
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| Title: Re: "Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates the religious claims of Christianity" was ... Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 11:30:38 PM |
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On 21 Apr 2005 10:10:09 -0700, wrote:
Therion Ware wrote:
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:26:08 GMT in free.christians, Don <- - - - -
--- somebody@worldwide.net> (Don <- - - - - ---
somebody@worldwide.net>) said, directing the reply to
free.christians
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:15:53 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
I'd like to argue a more general case, something along the lines
of...
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates
the religious claims of
Christianity"
Many a Christian person claims that God told them something. They
then rely on that claim to promote any idea they may have or want to
promote. Unfortunately, many Christian pastors use that claim to
promote or "bully in" their personal agenda. At this writing, I
know
of a situation where a bully pastor has gathered his minions and is
splitting a church, in the process of putting a 165-member
congregation under a four-million dollar debt. At that point, he
will
leave town and move on to his next church "gig" with a larger income
and better retirement plan, leaving 165 people to pay the
four-million
dollar bill.
"Secular validation of biblical historicity in no way validates
the religious claims of
Christianity"
So what's your idea behind your above quote?
Yesterday I went to the cinema to see Sahara.
On the way I popped into the Chinese restaurant over the road from
the
cinema and had a bite to eat. On leaving to see the film at about
20:55 the Goddess Ishtar-Lilith appeared to me, and bade me deliver
a
message to all mankind.
Do you believe me? If not, why not?
No!
If you were going to see Sahara, you must have been in a state of
delirium to begin with. Your judgement and "hold on reality" is
suspect. <grin>
Al
Now, had you gone to the "Lana Turner Film Marathon," THAT would have
given your words some validation.
"That's not pink...it's California Coral!"
- Lana Turner (1961)
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 09:10:19 AM |
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<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114066714.660715.148370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
: I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive. You
: pick the topic.
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: Theology topics
<snip the blahblahblah>
More over-identification from Mr. Wolf.
Thus far, I have gathered a small body of evidence supporting the
hypothesis: "John Wolf suffers from Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD)."
I've looked for, and found, only one piece of counter-evidence -- John Wolf
did not break off his relationship with Gastrich when the latter scolded
him. However, this is not necessarily counter-evidence, but may be viewed
as evidence of the *degree to which John suffers from BPD.
Just a bit of a heads-up for those who may engage him in debate: I think you
can expect John's arguments to collapse into disarray under the weight of
his emotional stress. Expect to be cursed and written off (plonked, maybe)
somewhere in the second or third round.
Just Mark
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| User: "lizzard woman" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 07:53:47 AM |
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<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114066714.660715.148370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive. You
| pick the topic.
I'll debate you on the following:
"Resolved: Gastrich's "dissertation" isn't worth the paper it's printed
on."
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
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| User: "Harvest Dancer" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 10:55:25 AM |
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lizzard woman wrote:
<johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114066714.660715.148370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive.
You
| pick the topic.
I'll debate you on the following:
"Resolved: Gastrich's "dissertation" isn't worth the paper it's
printed
on."
There's no debate, I agree. Especially since it's not even printed on
paper.
Jason Harvestdancer
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| User: "rogue" |
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21 Apr 2005 06:14:24 AM |
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wrote:
I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive.
You
pick the topic.
Come on Rogue, Bilbo, Walz or whoever.
JERRY
Your topics are all irrelevent if the bible isn't true. All of the
topics you have chosen first begin with an assumption that the bible is
true and the word of a deity. I won't grant you that assumption.
I will be happy to debate you on the veracity of the bible as the word
of god. Everything else you bring up is just crap.
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| User: "Your Name Here=Harvey" |
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21 Apr 2005 05:39:24 PM |
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In article <1114082064.370945.276490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
rogue719@hotmail.com says...
johnw_94...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'd love to debate on a topic below. The list is not exhaustive.
You
pick the topic.
Come on Rogue, Bilbo, Walz or whoever.
JERRY
Your topics are all irrelevent if the bible isn't true. All of the
topics you have chosen first begin with an assumption that the bible is
true and the word of a deity. I won't grant you that assumption.
I will be happy to debate you on the veracity of the bible as the word
of god. Everything else you bring up is just crap.
Christianity itself is a cult. We have all been indoctrinated into it (western
countries that are considered 'christian') since being born. To say it is not
a 'cult' is self denial. Also Jesus of the christian church is itself the
anti-Christ, as it is not the true message that Jesus/Jmmanuel wanted to pass
down to us. The early church distorted the message as soon as Jesus/Jmmanuel
was not present anymore on the scene --- he left for India (probably for a
more peaceful life, after all he was crucified --- not for man's sins etc. He
was the saviour of mankind, etc. He was just a prophet, although a very
special one.)
The Jesus story we are taught and indoctrinated into, is a myth.
Harvey
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| User: "John" |
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21 Apr 2005 10:18:40 AM |
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THIS MESSAGE was posted to christian boards. I expected to debate with
CHRISTIANS. Maybe I'll resend my debate challenge over to the cults.
I will not debate with an atheist, as all my experience in debating have
always been with christians and such issues. I'll debate you on the
case for cessationalism, theology of calling, and other on bible issues.
John
In article <1114082064.370945.276490@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your topics are all irrelevent if the bible isn't true. All of the
topics you have chosen first begin with an assumption that the bible is
true and the word of a deity. I won't grant you that assumption.
I will be happy to debate you on the veracity of the bible as the word
of god. Everything else you bring up is just crap.
--
My bible page
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 11:01:47 AM |
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"John" <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114096719.95330473309bb01106e55e6cb6a6e01d@teranews...
: THIS MESSAGE was posted to christian boards. I expected to debate with
: CHRISTIANS. Maybe I'll resend my debate challenge over to the cults.
:
: I will not debate with an atheist, as all my experience in debating have
: always been with christians and such issues. I'll debate you on the
: case for cessationalism, theology of calling, and other on bible issues.
:
ROFLMAO! To quote from your original post: "Come on Rogue, Bilbo, Walz or
whoever."
At least one of those people -- whom YOU specified -- is atheist.
You truly need help, John. Please get some.
Just Mark
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| User: "Mike Rosenberg" |
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| Title: Re: Open debates for anyone wanting to challenge me!!! |
21 Apr 2005 01:27:08 PM |
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John <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote:
THIS MESSAGE was posted to christian boards.
Come one, John, you know alt.parenting.solutions isn't a Christian
board.
--
Mike Rosenberg
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Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius
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