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"Jim" |
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07 Nov 2006 06:16:35 AM |
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opinions abound, but can you handle the truth? |
Opinions Abound, But Where is Truth?
There’s no end to the things people will say about the Lord Jesus these
days. Every philosophy, every religion, every loose crank will rattle off
some idle description, some pointless explanation, some uninformed
interpretation of who Jesus really was, and/or what Jesus was all about. If
we make the mistake of looking to the world for spiritual truth (or even for
verification of that truth), we will not last long as believers in Jesus
Christ.
This is nothing new. Old manuscripts show that such things were going on as
early as the fourth century. Whenever God speaks and acts, the enemy is also
eager to speak and act in some way, trying to draw away from the real --
just as in the Garden, the serpent pulled Eve’s attention to the forbidden
tree, while the tree of life stood not far away, ignored.
Had the early Christians not been filled with God’s Spirit, and had they not
already had the true Scriptures in circulation among the churches, the false
philosophizing might have gained a foothold even among true believers. Even
as it was, the Spirit of God leads Paul to write:
“As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, continue to live your
lives in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just
as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. See to it that no one takes
you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human
tradition, according to the ‘elemental spirits’ of the universe, and not
according to Christ.” (Colossians 2:6-8)
By the Spirit of God the Bible stands, as it has for a great many
generations, as the unbroken Word of God. But the world is still in
darkness, in the very grip of evil. When Moses began writing the Law of God,
in Genesis through Deuteronomy, the foul stench of false religions already
filled many nations. Human nature is corrupt, often rejecting the pure in
favor of the rotten, the false, the polluted.
Even the people of God were infected with cravings for false gods, false
religion, and polluted worship, from the days of Moses all the way into the
very days when Israel was forced out of their homeland (see the book of
Jeremiah). And in the days of Jesus, while religious leaders made a lout of
pious noise, insisting that there is only one God, they in fact held their
own human traditions and customs as more precious than the promises,
warnings, and commands of God.
Today, it is not so different.
Because today’s church is so weak in faith, because we are slow in our
willingness to obey and love God, and timid in our public expressions of the
truth, the enemy is bold to use his own puppets and his own dupes to offer
false teaching in the name of faith, and even in the name of God. In ancient
times, a corrupt king built two golden idols and called them by God's own
sacred Name. And today the enemy uses men and women who have no knowledge of
the truth to mislead many as to the true nature of God and of Jesus Christ.
Falsehood speaks in the name of God.
But people in the Western world have no excuse. The truth is not only "out
there" but right here among us, within our very grasp. Bibles abound in the
English language, and in many other languages. Scholarly editions of the
original Greek and Aramaic manuscripts also abound. Archaeology has
published its findings, not for the sake of the church, but for the whole
world to see. Public libraries carry the evidences of centuries of research
and discovery. My own bookcases are filled with ancient editions of the
Bible, both Christian and Jewish. There is no excuse for being misled into
thinking that the Bible is not God's Word.
But according to Scripture, unbelievers will always exist, right up until
the Lord wipes Satan himself off the face of the earth. And these things do
not happen until after Jesus has reigned on the earth for a thousand years.
Think about that: Even after Jesus Christ Himself has ruled this planet for
a thousand years, unbelievers will still be around to rise up against God
and His people. The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ (last book of the
Bible) makes that clear enough.
And so today, with all the information we have, we also have unbelievers who
refuse to learn anything. They are too infatuated with their own ideas,
their own daydreams, their own religious philosophizing. So many people
claim to want only facts and truth, yet so few really care about truth even
enough to dig a little for themselves. They’ll accept any garbage offered to
them that speaks against the Bible, but will not take the time to discover
God's Word in Scripture for themselves. For me, this is just so much more
proof that human nature is twisted, bent, broken, totally perverse.
Again, the Bible says that it will be so. John 3:17-20 says it this way:
“Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but
in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him
are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already,
because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this
is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved
darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do
evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may
not be exposed.”
The bottom line: people tend to love their sins more than they care to know
the truth. If the truth threatens them with change, they will reject the
truth in favor of any false idea that allows them to continue in sin. In
fact, most people will run from anything that even talks about the reality
of sin. And they will not follow the real Jesus Christ because Jesus exposes
sin for what it is.
Yet Jesus Christ was a real human being. He was born. He walked and spoke,
and He fasted, abstaining from food for some 40 days and nights. He was a
real human being. He bled real blood, just as He said He would. He was
really nailed to a Roman cross. He really died. He was really buried. He
really rose up again from the dead -- the only human being to ever conquer
death and the grave. Yet He conquered death and the grave not just for
Himself, but also for everyone who believes in Him.
What about the evidence?
Unbelievers sometimes claim that there is no evidence that Jesus ever really
lived or died or rose again. But they say this because they are rejecting
God's Holy Spirit -- and the Bible record -- preferring to cling to their
own imaginations, instead. Thousands of ancient New Testament manuscripts
still exist, some of them from all the way back into the time of the
apostles. And that’s thousands more witnesses than the almost nonexistent
manuscript evidences we have of other ancient figures such as Homer,
Socrates, Aristotle, and others that we would never think to doubt.
Why do some religious leaders and so-called scholars want to get rid of
Jesus Christ? The answer is very simple. They have no love for the truth,
and Jesus is the Truth. They have no interest in knowing God, preferring
their own ideas and traditions instead. Yet Jesus is the one and only Way to
God. And these unbelievers are dead, spiritually, having never turned to God
in repentance. They hate the light. They hate the bountiful life of God. And
Jesus Christ is the perfect Light of God and the unbounded Life of God.
If anyone desires to know God, to know the real facts about Jesus Christ,
then all they need to do is read the Bible for themselves. Read with the
intent of allowing God to show you the truth.
For those unfamiliar with Scripture, I suggest starting in the Gospel of
Mark (2nd book in the New Testament portion of the Bible). It’s a short
Gospel tract, and will not take long to read. Next, you should move on to
John's Gospel. I suggest reading that book twice in order to absorb as much
information as possible. And then, read the other two Gospels: Matthew and
Luke. And from there, you might want to read the Acts (5th NT book) and so
on.
The point is, get the facts for yourself. Before you go running off to drink
form a crumbling and stagnant well, first drink good and long and deep from
the fresh flowing spring of God. Before you start trying to learn from the
counterfeits, study the real thing. Only the real Word of God, applied to
our hearts by the Spirit of God, will satisfy the longing of a heart that's
hungry for God’s truth and reality.
Jim Sutton
www.goodwordusa.org
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Some good things on the Internet today:
Free Bible Software download: www.onlinebible.net
Evidences for God examined: www.josh.org
Illustrated Gospel (comic book style): www.gospelcomics.com
Free Printable 2007 Calendar: www.jimsgraphix.com/lowcal.htm
Free Christian Graphics and Clipart: www.gospelgifs.com
Start a small newspaper: www.newspaper-info.com
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: opinions abound, but can you handle the truth? |
07 Nov 2006 06:52:15 PM |
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"Jim" <jim@goodwordusa.org> wrote in message
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Opinions Abound, But Where is Truth?
There's no end to the things people will say about the Lord Jesus these
days. Every philosophy, every religion, every loose crank will rattle off
some idle description, some pointless explanation, some uninformed
interpretation of who Jesus really was, and/or what Jesus was all about.
If we make the mistake of looking to the world for spiritual truth (or
even for verification of that truth), we will not last long as believers
in Jesus Christ.
This is nothing new. Old manuscripts show that such things were going on
as early as the fourth century. Whenever God speaks and acts, the enemy is
also eager to speak and act in some way, trying to draw away from the
real -- just as in the Garden, the serpent pulled Eve's attention to the
forbidden tree, while the tree of life stood not far away, ignored.
The Jesus story is totally implausible if not down right ridiculous. It is
not supported by any solid objective verifiable evidence. Should we believe
in a god for whom there is NO solid objective evidence? The evidence
available is quite the contrary. It is totally implausible! This Jesus
belief is based purely on faith in totally implausible stories, not factual
objective verifiable evidence of any kind.
The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of unknown
veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands years over 2,000
years ago. There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. We don't know what the
originals said.
The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables, contradictions
and impossible tales. And there are 18 different versions alone of the
English Bible interpretations.
This all powerful God supposedly created this huge Universe that is over 13
BILLION years old. What it was and how long it existed before, we simply do
not know. Any opinion before that 13 BILLION years is pure speculation.
The Universe is more than 20 BILLION LIGHT YEARS" in diameter (light travels
at 186,000 miles per SECOND). How much larger it is we simply do not know.
It consists of many trillions of stars and planets. The earth is less than a
speck of dust in this huge Universe. There are over 6 1/2 BILLION humans on
this earth at present. Many billions more have existed before now but have
died. Man is but a grain of sand on a large beach relative to the size of
the Earth. Why would the creator of this huge complex Universe be concerned
about these billions of specks of dust?
According to the Bible, God supposedly created the heavens, the earth and
everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created during this
time from 'dust'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs.
According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly created
this huge complex Universe in six days!
This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named Jesus
to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to preach his
wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern' man has
existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years to
come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he himself
created!)?
This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to Earth as
a baby in a manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a virgin called
Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an ingenuous way? Arrogant
humans had to make up a myth
about a god arriving from the womb of another human.
If Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of
Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be married to
a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this all powerful
god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to create? He
supposedly created the Universe and everything in it!
If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why did he
use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on earth???
He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an
adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years. After
about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants that
he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and
commands.
There are no significant records of Jesus', (the Christ) actual existence in
the non religious documents of the era. Depending upon which Bible story you
choose, it is claimed he preached his doctrines for one, two or three years.
In any case, why put himself on earth for some thirty inconsequential years
and only use a few of these years to preach his doctrines? And then not use
his omnipotent power to preach to the WHOLE world instead of just a
miniscule part of the world around Jerusalem?
Jesus was baptized. In Christianity, baptism is the sacrament of
regeneration and initiation into the Christian church. According to a theme
of St. Paul the Apostle, baptism is death to a former life and the emergence
of a new person, signified by the conferring of a new name; it is the total
annulment of the sins of one's past, from which one emerges a totally
innocent person. Then why would a 'God Jesus' need to be baptized?
His sermons and teachings only reached a miniscule part of the world
population at that time because he did not speak via the equivalent of
International Radio or TV. IF he was an ALL powerful creator of the world,
he certainly would have had the ability to speak to ALL of mankind by means
at least as effective as man. Why did this all powerful god creator wait
100,000 years to come and preach to only a very small segment of the world,
for a period of one two or three years, (depending on which Bible you
choose) and then leave us without ANY solid objective verifiable evidence of
his existence, his wishes and commands? Why did he not preserve his
teachings in some permanent form for all of mankind in the future? The
Bibles were supposedly written by 56 or more authors of unknown veracity
over a period of thousands of years. There are NO - NADA originals of the
Bibles in existence. The originals have all rotted and disappeared thousands
of years ago. They are all hand copies of copies etc. of unknown actual
origin. Why would any omnipotent God, creator of this huge complex Universe,
provide his message in such a sloppy, inaccurate, unreliable, questionable
and confusing manor???
Why did he not use his great omnipotent powers to preach to the WHOLE world
from his Heaven, instead of just preaching to an insignificant portion of
the world?? Why did he leave most of mankind totally in the dark?
He supposedly distributed his word via hand copied books called the Bibles.
Yet NONE of the Bibles were written during his 'claimed' time on earth. The
original Bibles were written and hand recopied more than 1500 years before
the invention of the printing press. There is no evidence that Jesus ever
wrote a word. NO ORIGINAL copies of ANY of the Bibles exist. Why did he not
preserve them? The Bibles now in existence are hand copies of copies etc. of
unknown and doubtful veracity. They are largely myths, fables, hearsay and
implausible tales. The four books of the New Testament were written and
copied somewhere between 60 and 200 years AFTER Jesus' supposed existence.
None of the authors could have known him directly. They are all third person
fictional narratives of unknown veracity. Why would a real god, creator of
this huge Universe, not arrange for the creation of clear, authentic,
contemporary and permanent copies of his word?
During his brief adulthood, preaching his word, he is 'claimed' to have
restored site to a few of the blind, restored mobility to a few of the
crippled and restored health to a few of the sick. Why was he so niggardly
about helping the poor, the disabled and the sick? Is this the likely
conduct of an all loving God creator?
After the one, two or three years he preached, (depending on which Bible
book you believe) to only the locals. His preaching only reached a very
small part of the world's population. He did not avail himself of Radio, TV,
Telephone or the Internet. He then allowed himself to be painfully and
brutally crucified on a cross between two criminals to pay for man's sins
(which he created). If he died on the cross to save mankind, why was
mankind no better off after this supposed crucifixion than before? Was all
this blood and gore for nothing?!
The Roman courts were models of order and fairness. A man was not condemned
without a trial; he was not handed to the executioner before being found
guilty. And yet we are asked to believe that an innocent man was brought
before a Roman court, where Pontius Pilate was Judge; that no charge of
wrongdoing having been brought against him, the Judge declared that he found
him innocent; but the mob shouted, "Crucify him; crucify him!" and to please
the rabble, Pilate commanded that the man whom he had found innocent, should
be delivered to the executioners to be crucified! Also, real criminals were
crucified by being 'tied' to the cross - not nailed! What was the purpose of
all this blood and gore? Why should any REAL god need to suffer for man's
sins??? (which god created)
Why was his life and crucifixion not in any of the numerous historical
documents of the time??? Why is only in church documents?
If Jesus performed the wonderful miracles the New Testament describes, why
did the people want him crucified? Is it not amazing that a civilized people
would demand that a kind and loving man who went about doing good works, who
preached forgiveness, cleansed the leprous, and raised the dead - that they
could not be appeased until they had brutally crucified the noblest
benefactor of mankind? This makes NO sense at all!
If he could create the Universe and every thing in it, (including sin) why
did he not just forgive man's sins, directly from his heaven, without all
this blood and gore? Three days after he died he supposedly rose from the
dead and returned to his heaven. Why did he wait uncomfortably in a crypt
for three days after his death and internment to return to his magnificent
heaven? Why did he wait 30 years!?
What was the logic and purpose of this gruesome and painful killing? Only a
miniscule part of the world's population at the time would be aware of this
claimed sacrifice.
Billions of people today are still not knowledgeable believers of this
highly implausible story. Why did he not preserve a video tape, DVD or other
permanent record of this historic episode? If man is capable of these
devices certainly a god creator should be equally or more proficient.
Why did this God wait over 100,000 years to communicate with only a
minuscule portion of humanity in such a crude and ineffective manner and not
leave any authenticated documents accurately substantiating his appearance?
Why has he failed to communicate further for over 2,000 years?
He supposedly went through this torture and humiliating death to pay for
mans sins which he himself created! Why did he not just wave his wand and
forgive mans sins and skip all the ridiculous blood and gore??? Why did he
create sin in the first place? This should be no problem for a god that
created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam's rib, and this immense Universe.
Why do people still supposedly still have the same sins that he died for?
Why does he encourage or permit Christians to drink his blood and eat his
flesh? Isn't this a pagan ritual?
Why does he continue to allow thousands of greedy self serving men to
deliver his word to his flock in such a vague, inconsistent, contradictory,
and ineffectual manner? There are hundreds of different Christian sects and
beliefs. There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs and
practices. Why does he allow this gross confusion? Why does he not
communicate clearly and DIRECTLY to his entire flock that he is the real god
and all the others are fakes? It would be more responsible and more
effective to eliminate this gross confusion?
If he is the real god, why does he even permit the belief and propagation of
thousands of false gods and false religions?
The Christ tale is obviously pure myth and legend.
The objective evidence is that God did not create man but quite the
contrary; that man created Gods!
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| User: "Abraham Simpson" |
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| Title: Re: opinions abound, but can you handle the truth? |
07 Nov 2006 10:32:39 AM |
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Hello Jim:
As a long time bible reader, I completely agree with the premise of
your post, but I completely disagree with every one of your stated or
implied conclusions regarding what the bible teaches.
I would be interested in civily discussing our doctrinal differences,
in the context of the bible story, if you are agreeable.
It is my conclusion that the gospel which was first delivered to
Abraham, is the very same gospel that Jesus delivered to the
backslidden Judean Jews, and his apostles delivered to the nations.
The gospel refers to the resurrection and everlasting life of the
covenant nation/kingdom of Israel, for the purpose of bringing the
blessing of global peace to all the nations. The first ecumenical
council of Nicea was the point in history when the gospel was altered,
so that it would no longer require the overthrow of the Roman empire.
Jim wrote:
Opinions Abound, But Where is Truth?
There's no end to the things people will say about the Lord Jesus these
days. Every philosophy, every religion, every loose crank will rattle off
some idle description, some pointless explanation, some uninformed
interpretation of who Jesus really was, and/or what Jesus was all about. If
we make the mistake of looking to the world for spiritual truth (or even for
verification of that truth), we will not last long as believers in Jesus
Christ.
This is nothing new. Old manuscripts show that such things were going on as
early as the fourth century. Whenever God speaks and acts, the enemy is also
eager to speak and act in some way, trying to draw away from the real --
just as in the Garden, the serpent pulled Eve's attention to the forbidden
tree, while the tree of life stood not far away, ignored.
Had the early Christians not been filled with God's Spirit, and had they not
already had the true Scriptures in circulation among the churches, the false
philosophizing might have gained a foothold even among true believers. Even
as it was, the Spirit of God leads Paul to write:
"As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, continue to live your
lives in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just
as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving. See to it that no one takes
you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human
tradition, according to the 'elemental spirits' of the universe, and not
according to Christ." (Colossians 2:6-8)
By the Spirit of God the Bible stands, as it has for a great many
generations, as the unbroken Word of God. But the world is still in
darkness, in the very grip of evil. When Moses began writing the Law of God,
in Genesis through Deuteronomy, the foul stench of false religions already
filled many nations. Human nature is corrupt, often rejecting the pure in
favor of the rotten, the false, the polluted.
Even the people of God were infected with cravings for false gods, false
religion, and polluted worship, from the days of Moses all the way into the
very days when Israel was forced out of their homeland (see the book of
Jeremiah). And in the days of Jesus, while religious leaders made a lout of
pious noise, insisting that there is only one God, they in fact held their
own human traditions and customs as more precious than the promises,
warnings, and commands of God.
Today, it is not so different.
Because today's church is so weak in faith, because we are slow in our
willingness to obey and love God, and timid in our public expressions of the
truth, the enemy is bold to use his own puppets and his own dupes to offer
false teaching in the name of faith, and even in the name of God. In ancient
times, a corrupt king built two golden idols and called them by God's own
sacred Name. And today the enemy uses men and women who have no knowledge of
the truth to mislead many as to the true nature of God and of Jesus Christ.
Falsehood speaks in the name of God.
But people in the Western world have no excuse. The truth is not only "out
there" but right here among us, within our very grasp. Bibles abound in the
English language, and in many other languages. Scholarly editions of the
original Greek and Aramaic manuscripts also abound. Archaeology has
published its findings, not for the sake of the church, but for the whole
world to see. Public libraries carry the evidences of centuries of research
and discovery. My own bookcases are filled with ancient editions of the
Bible, both Christian and Jewish. There is no excuse for being misled into
thinking that the Bible is not God's Word.
But according to Scripture, unbelievers will always exist, right up until
the Lord wipes Satan himself off the face of the earth. And these things do
not happen until after Jesus has reigned on the earth for a thousand years.
Think about that: Even after Jesus Christ Himself has ruled this planet for
a thousand years, unbelievers will still be around to rise up against God
and His people. The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ (last book of the
Bible) makes that clear enough.
And so today, with all the information we have, we also have unbelievers who
refuse to learn anything. They are too infatuated with their own ideas,
their own daydreams, their own religious philosophizing. So many people
claim to want only facts and truth, yet so few really care about truth even
enough to dig a little for themselves. They'll accept any garbage offered to
them that speaks against the Bible, but will not take the time to discover
God's Word in Scripture for themselves. For me, this is just so much more
proof that human nature is twisted, bent, broken, totally perverse.
Again, the Bible says that it will be so. John 3:17-20 says it this way:
"Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but
in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him
are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already,
because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this
is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved
darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do
evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may
not be exposed."
The bottom line: people tend to love their sins more than they care to know
the truth. If the truth threatens them with change, they will reject the
truth in favor of any false idea that allows them to continue in sin. In
fact, most people will run from anything that even talks about the reality
of sin. And they will not follow the real Jesus Christ because Jesus exposes
sin for what it is.
Yet Jesus Christ was a real human being. He was born. He walked and spoke,
and He fasted, abstaining from food for some 40 days and nights. He was a
real human being. He bled real blood, just as He said He would. He was
really nailed to a Roman cross. He really died. He was really buried. He
really rose up again from the dead -- the only human being to ever conquer
death and the grave. Yet He conquered death and the grave not just for
Himself, but also for everyone who believes in Him.
What about the evidence?
Unbelievers sometimes claim that there is no evidence that Jesus ever really
lived or died or rose again. But they say this because they are rejecting
God's Holy Spirit -- and the Bible record -- preferring to cling to their
own imaginations, instead. Thousands of ancient New Testament manuscripts
still exist, some of them from all the way back into the time of the
apostles. And that's thousands more witnesses than the almost nonexistent
manuscript evidences we have of other ancient figures such as Homer,
Socrates, Aristotle, and others that we would never think to doubt.
Why do some religious leaders and so-called scholars want to get rid of
Jesus Christ? The answer is very simple. They have no love for the truth,
and Jesus is the Truth. They have no interest in knowing God, preferring
their own ideas and traditions instead. Yet Jesus is the one and only Way to
God. And these unbelievers are dead, spiritually, having never turned to God
in repentance. They hate the light. They hate the bountiful life of God. And
Jesus Christ is the perfect Light of God and the unbounded Life of God.
If anyone desires to know God, to know the real facts about Jesus Christ,
then all they need to do is read the Bible for themselves. Read with the
intent of allowing God to show you the truth.
For those unfamiliar with Scripture, I suggest starting in the Gospel of
Mark (2nd book in the New Testament portion of the Bible). It's a short
Gospel tract, and will not take long to read. Next, you should move on to
John's Gospel. I suggest reading that book twice in order to absorb as much
information as possible. And then, read the other two Gospels: Matthew and
Luke. And from there, you might want to read the Acts (5th NT book) and so
on.
The point is, get the facts for yourself. Before you go running off to drink
form a crumbling and stagnant well, first drink good and long and deep from
the fresh flowing spring of God. Before you start trying to learn from the
counterfeits, study the real thing. Only the real Word of God, applied to
our hearts by the Spirit of God, will satisfy the longing of a heart that's
hungry for God's truth and reality.
Jim Sutton
www.goodwordusa.org
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Some good things on the Internet today:
Free Bible Software download: www.onlinebible.net
Evidences for God examined: www.josh.org
Illustrated Gospel (comic book style): www.gospelcomics.com
Free Printable 2007 Calendar: www.jimsgraphix.com/lowcal.htm
Free Christian Graphics and Clipart: www.gospelgifs.com
Start a small newspaper: www.newspaper-info.com
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| Title: Re: opinions abound, but can you handle the truth? |
08 Nov 2006 07:40:33 AM |
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Abraham Simpson wrote:
The first ecumenical council of Nicea was the point in history when the
gospel was altered, so that it would no longer require the overthrow of
the Roman empire.
There is no evidence of anything of the kind, tho.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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| Title: Re: opinions abound, but can you handle the truth? |
08 Nov 2006 09:18:05 AM |
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On 8 Nov 2006 05:40:33 -0800, while bungee jumping,
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk shouted thusly:
Abraham Simpson wrote:
The first ecumenical council of Nicea was the point in history when the
gospel was altered, so that it would no longer require the overthrow of
the Roman empire.
There is no evidence of anything of the kind, tho.
And the Gospel never told believers to overthrow Rome.
But Jesus did say that Jerusalem and Judea would be
overthrown and the OT and Revelation told them that
the Roman Empire would fall and this was fulfilled.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
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| Title: Re: opinions abound, but can you handle the truth? |
08 Nov 2006 10:29:29 AM |
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Roger:
The evidence is the radical departure from the continuously flowing
bible story, to Roman church history. The council of Nicea was the
point in history, when orthodoxy was established by democratic vote,
and everything which did not make the cut was officially declared
heretical. The minutes of the council do not represent all of it's
ramifications.
roger_pearse@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Abraham Simpson wrote:
The first ecumenical council of Nicea was the point in history when the
gospel was altered, so that it would no longer require the overthrow of
the Roman empire.
There is no evidence of anything of the kind, tho.
All the best,
Roger Pearse
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