On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:58:46 -0700,
in article <1368a57408q9f7f@corp.supernews.com>,
servitum <ser.vitum@xprt.net> wrote:
Yet Another Fatal Flaw:
The false prophets of Rapture Doctrine are unable to recognize the
Strong Delusion (2 Thes 2:10-12) and to place that event in relation to
other End Time Events. The Cause of this failure is that "Rapture" is a
Delusion, part of the Strong Delusion. This is evident in that any one
of the contradictions of His Word described above is enough to refute
that doctrine, unless one is suffering from delusion.
Bull-crap. 2 Thessalonians 2 clearly shows this delusion
occurs after the restrainer has been removed (which is
apparently the Holy Spirit), which we believe occurs at the
time the church is removed from the earth, via rapture. So
you have the church being removed from the earth, along with
the restrainer (Holy Spirit), then the strong delusion setting
in. It fits just fine as far as I'm concerned.
Another Deadly Flaw:
Rapture proponents fail to identify the defeat, death and destruction of
Satan, and to fit that event into the sequence of End Time Events as
described by Christ. Mat 24:29-31, Compare Rev 14:1-5, 14-20, 19:11-21,
Rev 20:9-15.
Another lie. This has all been clearly demonstrated before.
Revelation 19 shows occurs after the seal, bowl, and trumpet
judgments. Christ returns to earth, with the church, and
defeats the kings of the earth.
The "beast" which is sent to the lake of fire in Revelation
19, is the one the false prophet caused people to worship,
which Revelation 13 says is the first beast, which you
correctly identify as the Revived Roman Empire.
Then, inexplicably, because you want the "Renaissance" to be
the fulfillment of the thousand years of Revelation 20, you
insist Satan is the beast destroyed in Revelation 19. He is
not the first beast the false prophet causes people to worship
(RRE), but the Dragon who gave power to that beast.
Revelation 20 follows immediately after Revelation 19. Christ
has just defeated the kings of the earth, now He will rule
over them with a rod of iron for a thousand years, with the
saints. Satan will therefore be bound during this time, and
the saints who received the mark of the beast during the
Tribulation, will be raised from the dead to reign with Him.
At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released for a
little season, during which he will deceive the nations, and
promote rebellion. This will quickly be put down by fire from
heaven, and Satan will at that time be cast into the lake of
fire.
The present heavens and earth will then be destroyed (cf. 2
Peter 3), Christ will judge the unsaved dead of all ages at
the Great White throne judgment, then create a new heaven and
earth where He will reign with the saints forever, from New
Jerusalem.
Seventh Fatal Flaw:
The inability to fit the descriptions of the Coming of the Lord as
described in Mat 24:29-31 and Luke 21:25-26 with other End Time Events,
specifically, the sixth Seal, seventh Trumpet and Vial and 2 Peter 3-3-12.
Revelation 19 occurs at the end of the 70th week Tribulation,
after the seal, bowl, and trumpet judgments have been poured.
The air-campaign is over, and that's when Christ returns with
troops, to the ground.
Revelation 20 follows Revelation 19, chronologically, and
describes the thousand year reign of the saints, with Christ,
on this earth. He just conquered the kings of the earth, now
He rules over them with a rod of iron for 1,000 years.
Revelation 20:11 shows the end of the thousand year reign, and
the destruction of the present heavens and earth. This
corresponds to 2 Peter 3:3-12.
Sixth Deadly Flaw
The requirement of the Rapture Doctrine to explain End Time Events over
multiple Generations, which contradicts Christ's plain statement "This
generations shall not pass away until all these things be fulfilled."
Mat 24:7-10, 15, 21, 29-31, 34.
If you're using the word "generation", to refer to a group of
contemporaries, then this is an invalid argument. The
pre-tribulation rapture position does not believe the 70th
week occurs over a period of such "generations", but that it
is a single seven year period. YOU are the one who has the
events of the 70th week, described in Revelation 6-19,
occurring all the way from the Renaissance, until this day. We
believe it will occur in one seven year block, beginning when
the church is removed from the earth.
Matthew 24:7-14 describes the conditions leading up to the
Tribulation, and is not mentioned in Revelation 4-19. You
confuse the conditions which lead up to the end, with the end.
Fifth Mortal Flaw:
Inability to reconcile Events described as occurring on The Day of the
Lord and The Day of God (2 Pet 3:3-12) with the Seventh Trumpet, the
Last Trumpet and the Trump of God. Mat 24:29-31, Rev 11:15-20, 1 Thes
4:14-17, 1 Cor 15:50-54.
http://tinyurl.com/24l6xr
Fourth Fatal Flaw:
The need to ignore the events described as happening just before, during
and immediately after the events listed in the same text. Specifically,
the inability to identify the consequences of the release of Satan (Rev
20:7-8) from the pit; and, to fit those events into the End Time
Sequence as given by Christ. Mat 24:7-8, 9-14, 15-21, 29-31 and Luke
21:25-26.
This has already been shown many times, and you know it.
Christ will return to earth, from heaven, with the church
(Revelation 19), after the Tribulation. He will send the
beast whom the false prophet caused people to worship, along
with the false prophet, into the lake of fire. The beast the
false prophet caused people to worship was the first beast
(Revelation 13), which even you admit is the Revived Roman
Empire.
Satan is then bound for a thousand years, following the
Tribulation. That Revelation 20 IS referring to events which
follow the Tribulation, and not the "Renaissance", as you
claim, is evident from the fact that the saints who are
resurrected will be those who refused the mark of the beast.
Revelation 19 shows the beast imposed this mark during the
Tribulation which preceded.
At the end of the thousand years the saints reign with Christ
on this earth, Satan is released, deceives the nations to
rebel against Christ, and is then cast into the lake of fire.
Regarding the texts you mentioned from Matthew and Luke, and
how they fit in with Revelation, here's how I understand it:
Matthew 24:7-8 is describing the conditions which will prevail
before the Tribulation judgments begin to occur.
Matthew 24:9-14 = ibid.
Matthew 24:15-21 Compares to the 70th week Tribulation (Rev.
6ff.), beginning with the rider on the white horse who has a
bow without arrows. The fact he has no arrows, shows he
begins conquest with the peace treaty confirmed with Israel
(cf. Dan. 9:27). Half way through the middle of the week, he
breaks this covenant, setting himself up as God, in the
temple. Then things really heat up for Israel.
Matthew 24:29-31 refers to the last half of the seven year
Tribulation, and the elect of Israel are the 144,000 sealed in
Revelation 7.
Luke 21:25-26 also compares to the second half of the
Tribulation.
See "Last Things":
http://www.freewebs.com/pulpitfire/belieffire.htm
Rapture doctrine fails to identify the First Century Christians, the
Last Century Christians and their respective roles in End Time Events.
James 1:18, Rev 6:9-11, 11:1-2, 3-7, 14:1-4.
The rapture pertains to those who are alive and remain when
the Lord returns. Obviously the Lord didn't return in the
first century. A case has already been made for the pre
tribulation rapture of the church, which shows their
relationship to the tribulation and end-time events.
See: http://www.freewebs.com/pulpitfire/belieffire.htm,
under "Last Things".
Second Fatal Flaw:
The constant need to deny that Paul told the First Century Saints
something which was misleading to them. That is, if Paul told the First
Century Christians that they would be raptured, then he lied! They were
NOT Raptured! They lived through Affliction and Tribulation. How is it,
that The False Teachers of the Rapture doctrine insist that Paul was
speaking to them, or us, about 'rapture' - when they were NOT raptured?
Paul didn't say "first century saints" must be raptured. He
said "We who are alive and remain" when the Lord returns would
be caught up (raptured).
The Rapture of the Church : Seven Fatal Flaws
First Deadly Flaw:
The continual need to insist that the Word of God means something it
does not say. 1 Thes 4:14-17. "Then we which are alive and remain shall
be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the
air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." This does not say Christ
will remove the Church from the earth so that we do not have to live
through the Great Tribulation.”
1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 does not say Christ will leave the
church on earth through the Tribulation. Chapter 5 indicates
He will not, because the rapture is not part of the day of the
Lord (5:1ff.), and because God has not appointed us to wrath,
but the salvation of living with Christ (5:9-10).
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Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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