Religions > Bible > Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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22 Apr 2007 10:34:54 PM |
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Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
If you do not have an abortion
Either A)
There is a Xian God, and your kid is a good Xian,
ergo he goes to heaven
or B)
There is a Xian God, and your kid becomes an apostate
therefore he goes to Hell
or C)
There is no Xian God, and your kid neither
goes to Heaven nor Hell.
From the game theory matrix above
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =100%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) <100%
And
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =0%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) >0%
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
--
Yang
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
25 Apr 2007 09:37:32 AM |
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On Apr 22, 11:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
If you do not have an abortion
Either A)
There is a Xian God, and your kid is a good Xian,
ergo he goes to heaven
or B)
There is a Xian God, and your kid becomes an apostate
therefore he goes to Hell
or C)
There is no Xian God, and your kid neither
goes to Heaven nor Hell.
From the game theory matrix above
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =100%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) <100%
And
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =0%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) >0%
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3320 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
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Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion. However the more you do it the more the
sacrifice becomes worth it. Of course get in a quick contrition before
you die and you do get a chance for heaven by that mythology.
Hatter
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
25 Apr 2007 10:37:45 AM |
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On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
If you do not have an abortion
Either A)
There is a Xian God, and your kid is a good Xian,
ergo he goes to heaven
or B)
There is a Xian God, and your kid becomes an apostate
therefore he goes to Hell
or C)
There is no Xian God, and your kid neither
goes to Heaven nor Hell.
From the game theory matrix above
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =100%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) <100%
And
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =0%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) >0%
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3320 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion. However the more you do it the more the
sacrifice becomes worth it. Of course get in a quick contrition before
you die and you do get a chance for heaven by that mythology.
And which Christian wouldn't want to be that Christ-like figure who
gives everyone a free ticket to be with God at the cost of his own
salvation?
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3332 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
26 Apr 2007 07:00:30 AM |
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On Apr 25, 11:37 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700,Hatter<Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
If you do not have an abortion
Either A)
There is a Xian God, and your kid is a good Xian,
ergo he goes to heaven
or B)
There is a Xian God, and your kid becomes an apostate
therefore he goes to Hell
or C)
There is no Xian God, and your kid neither
goes to Heaven nor Hell.
From the game theory matrix above
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =100%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) <100%
And
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =0%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) >0%
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3320 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion. However the more you do it the more the
sacrifice becomes worth it. Of course get in a quick contrition before
you die and you do get a chance for heaven by that mythology.
And which Christian wouldn't want to be that Christ-like figure who
gives everyone a free ticket to be with God at the cost of his own
salvation?
--
Judging by their actions...that would be all of them who don't want to
give THAT kind of sacrifice.
Hatter
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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26 Apr 2007 10:22:09 AM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 05:00:30 -0700, wrote:
On Apr 25, 11:37 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700,Hatter<Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
If you do not have an abortion
Either A)
There is a Xian God, and your kid is a good Xian,
ergo he goes to heaven
or B)
There is a Xian God, and your kid becomes an apostate
therefore he goes to Hell
or C)
There is no Xian God, and your kid neither
goes to Heaven nor Hell.
From the game theory matrix above
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =100%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) <100%
And
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =0%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) >0%
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3320 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion. However the more you do it the more the
sacrifice becomes worth it. Of course get in a quick contrition before
you die and you do get a chance for heaven by that mythology.
And which Christian wouldn't want to be that Christ-like figure who
gives everyone a free ticket to be with God at the cost of his own
salvation?
--
Judging by their actions...that would be all of them who don't want to
give THAT kind of sacrifice.
Dude, that is SO selfish!
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3332 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
26 Apr 2007 06:32:40 PM |
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On Apr 25, 8:37 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
If you do not have an abortion
Either A)
There is a Xian God, and your kid is a good Xian,
ergo he goes to heaven
or B)
There is a Xian God, and your kid becomes an apostate
therefore he goes to Hell
or C)
There is no Xian God, and your kid neither
goes to Heaven nor Hell.
From the game theory matrix above
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =100%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) <100%
And
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | Abortion) =0%
Pr(Child Goes To Heaven | No Abortion) >0%
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3320 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion. However the more you do it the more the
sacrifice becomes worth it. Of course get in a quick contrition before
you die and you do get a chance for heaven by that mythology.
And which Christian wouldn't want to be that Christ-like figure who
gives everyone a free ticket to be with God at the cost of his own
salvation?
For starters, any Christian who reads Luke 9:25.
It appears there is a fundamental misunderstanding about Christianity
in this thread. The central theme of Christianity is the individual
soul achieving eternal salvation, losing it means losing everything. I
realize this may seem foreign considering how many
evangelicals(including those in power) seem to think the central theme
should be supporting Israel and unleashing Armageddon as soon as
possible so that they can be personally taken up in the Rapture and
not have to die.
But those evangelicals are mistaken, and the Bible does not support
them. There is a reason the supporters of this eschatology had to
resort to writing their own canon in a series of fictional novels. In
a debate you hear the other side provide a rebuttal, in a novel you
don't.
In any case, that central theme really is about the individual. Only
the individual ultimately decides his or her fate. In Christianity,
one cannot send someone else to heaven, that someone else has to make
that decision. Someone else can certainly *influence* an individual in
making that decision one way or the other, but ultimately only the
individual decides.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
25 Apr 2007 04:55:30 PM |
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On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion.
Not "considered". You are a murderer in the eyes of God. It might even be
legal in the civil courts, but it's an eternity in hell for you with God.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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26 Apr 2007 07:37:50 AM |
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On Apr 25, 5:55 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700,Hatter<Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion.
Not "considered".
Considered, from the Catholic Perspective
You are a murderer in the eyes of The Invisible Sky Farie. It might even be
legal in the civil courts
So said Civil Courts don't agree. So there is a difference in opinion.
Each faction "considers" it differently. Try to keep up.
but it's an eternity in hell for you with The Invisible Sky Fairy.
Unless you go to your preist, confess, and contribute enough to the
new church roof fund and bingo night.
That's the Catholic way
Hatter
Mass is the most perfect waste of time
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Apr 2007 01:38:43 PM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 05:37:50 -0700, wrote:
Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion.
Not "considered".
Considered, from the Catholic Perspective
Considered from the Christian perspective.
You are a murderer in the eyes of The Invisible Sky Farie. It might even be
legal in the civil courts
So said Civil Courts don't agree. So there is a difference in opinion.
Each faction "considers" it differently. Try to keep up.
When it comes to God, civil courts don't count.
but it's an eternity in hell for you with The Invisible Sky Fairy.
Unless you go to your preist, confess, and contribute enough to the
new church roof fund and bingo night.
That's the Catholic way
That's God's way.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Diogenes" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake OfYour Child |
26 Apr 2007 12:57:08 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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When it comes to God, civil courts don't count.
Actually that goes the other way here in the United States, by law.
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Hospital for Children would not need to exist
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The SakeOf Your Child |
26 Apr 2007 08:51:20 PM |
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in article dbs133107njknc6s8sr4gbi07smoskc4a8@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 4/26/07 2:38 PM:
On 26 Apr 2007 05:37:50 -0700, wrote:
Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion.
Not "considered".
Considered, from the Catholic Perspective
Considered from the Christian perspective.
You are a murderer in the eyes of The Invisible Sky Farie. It might even be
legal in the civil courts
So said Civil Courts don't agree. So there is a difference in opinion.
Each faction "considers" it differently. Try to keep up.
When it comes to God, civil courts don't count.
And God thinks we count even less...
Paul
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
25 Apr 2007 06:06:47 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:55:30 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On 25 Apr 2007 07:37:32 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, that is the Catholic percentages. Well put. Such an ugly
extrapolation of the mythology in the cold light of reason, no wonder
it stirred up Earl Webber. The down side is you are considered a
murderer for the abortion.
Not "considered". You are a murderer in the eyes of God. It might even be
legal in the civil courts, but it's an eternity in hell for you with God.
So? What could be a great act of Christian love for a mother to ensure
her fetus' passage to heaven in exchange for her own damnation?
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3332 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
24 Apr 2007 08:53:39 PM |
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On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above,
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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24 Apr 2007 09:21:45 PM |
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On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecheryll@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above.
You mean the false dilemma inherent in Pascal's wager?
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
No self-respecting mother would put her own welfare before that of her
own fetus. You seem to be saying that Christian women should be
selfish in this fashion.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3331 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
26 Apr 2007 01:42:30 PM |
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On Apr 24, 7:21 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecher...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above.
You mean the false dilemma inherent in Pascal's wager?
No, I mean the false dilemma inherent in your own supposition.
Christianity does not say the baby "automatically" goes to heaven. Nor
does the lack of existence of a Christian God preclude some concept of
life after death, whether heaven or hell, both or some other concept.
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
No self-respecting mother would put her own welfare before that of her
own fetus.
?? Are you saying that women who have abortions are not doing this?
While some women would claim an abortion is the most humane thing they
can do for their offspring, surely that is merely a self-serving
justification in at least some cases. Some women just aren't
interested in delivering a baby.
You seem to be saying that Christian women should be
selfish in this fashion.
No, I am not saying that. I am pointing out that even if a baby would
"automatically" go to heaven if they were aborted(which again, is not
something Christianity claims), that doesn't make abortion something
"good", if it jeopardizes the chances of the mother or the abortionist
of going to heaven.
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26 Apr 2007 11:09:41 PM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 11:42:30 -0700, David <davecheryll@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:21 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecher...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above.
You mean the false dilemma inherent in Pascal's wager?
No, I mean the false dilemma inherent in your own supposition.
Christianity does not say the baby "automatically" goes to heaven. Nor
does the lack of existence of a Christian God preclude some concept of
life after death, whether heaven or hell, both or some other concept.
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
No self-respecting mother would put her own welfare before that of her
own fetus.
?? Are you saying that women who have abortions are not doing this?
It is the logical implication of an aborted fetus getting a automatic
berth in heaven.
While some women would claim an abortion is the most humane thing they
can do for their offspring, surely that is merely a self-serving
justification in at least some cases. Some women just aren't
interested in delivering a baby.
You seem to be saying that Christian women should be
selfish in this fashion.
No, I am not saying that. I am pointing out that even if a baby would
"automatically" go to heaven if they were aborted(which again, is not
something Christianity claims), that doesn't make abortion something
"good", if it jeopardizes the chances of the mother or the abortionist
of going to heaven.
That seems kind of selfish.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
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27 Apr 2007 09:17:35 PM |
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On Apr 26, 9:09 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 26 Apr 2007 11:42:30 -0700, David <davecher...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:21 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecher...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, of hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above.
You mean the false dilemma inherent in Pascal's wager?
No, I mean the false dilemma inherent in your own supposition.
Christianity does not say the baby "automatically" goes to heaven. Nor
does the lack of existence of a Christian God preclude some concept of
life after death, whether heaven or hell, both or some other concept.
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
No self-respecting mother would put her own welfare before that of her
own fetus.
?? Are you saying that women who have abortions are not doing this?
It is the logical implication of an aborted fetus getting a automatic
berth in heaven.
Who is claiming automatic berths in heaven? Without a basis for that,
the logic does not follow.
While some women would claim an abortion is the most humane thing they
can do for their offspring, surely that is merely a self-serving
justification in at least some cases. Some women just aren't
interested in delivering a baby.
You seem to be saying that Christian women should be
selfish in this fashion.
No, I am not saying that. I am pointing out that even if a baby would
"automatically" go to heaven if they were aborted(which again, is not
something Christianity claims), that doesn't make abortion something
"good", if it jeopardizes the chances of the mother or the abortionist
of going to heaven.
That seems kind of selfish.
Things are not what they seem.
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25 Apr 2007 11:55:58 AM |
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On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecheryll@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, or hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above,
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
Change baby to abortion providers, doctors and nurses, hospital
administrators, or mothers. The same rules still apply. If there is a
Christian God, and that God is as described by Christian, in an
abortion, the fetus/baby goes to heaven, everyone else goes to hell.
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| User: "655321" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
25 Apr 2007 09:33:59 PM |
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In article <ml1v23domniab94qoqgnrsn45kt0616h58@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecheryll@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, or hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above,
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
Change baby to abortion providers, doctors and nurses, hospital
administrators, or mothers. The same rules still apply. If there is a
Christian God, and that God is as described by Christian, in an
abortion, the fetus/baby goes to heaven, everyone else goes to hell.
Unless they open the Back Door of Repentance and are forgiven!
--
655321
"We are heroes in error" -- Ahmad Chalabi
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| User: "David" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
26 Apr 2007 01:25:56 PM |
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On Apr 25, 9:55 am, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
On 24 Apr 2007 18:53:39 -0700, David <davecher...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
On Apr 22, 8:34 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
If you have an abortion:
Either A)
there is a Christian God and
your baby automatically goes to heaven
or B)
there is no Christian God and
your baby does not go to heaven, or hell
Besides the false dilemma fallacy inherent in the supposition above,
no consideration is given to the fate of the mother or the
abortionist, both of which would presumably also need to be evaluated
if one were going to somehow reduce this to a cost/benefits analysis.
Change baby to abortion providers, doctors and nurses, hospital
administrators, or mothers. The same rules still apply.
Rules?
If there is a
Christian God, and that God is as described by Christian, in an
abortion, the fetus/baby goes to heaven,
Says who? How would you know?
everyone else goes to hell.
What version of Christianity is this?
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| User: "CE" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
24 Apr 2007 10:22:07 AM |
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On Apr 23, 12:34 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
<snipped logic flow>
That's a good bit of reasoning, Yang, as far as it goes. Fortunately
for the continued existence of the human race on earth, it's not that
simple.
The first thing I'd note is that killing is wrong, in which case the
killing of the unborn baby lowers the probability of going to heaven
of the abortionist and his or her assistants and the mother and
perhaps the father. For Roman Catholics, there's always confession but
the person confessing must be truly repentant. I'm guessing that's
probably hard to do after living for years with a pattern of sin.
Secondly, we are taught in the Roman Catholic religion to not put our
Lord our God to the test. And I think killing someone and seeing if
they go to heaven would probably qualify as testing God.
Thirdly, I'd like to point out that the current pope's teaching
regarding limbo is not Catholic doctrine and Pope Benedict's
pronouncement did not even have the weight of a papal encyclical. It's
still not clear exactly what will come out of all this in the long
run. In the meantime, there's also reason for Catholics to continue to
believe the traditional teaching that limbo exists. If it does, then
children who are aborted and so die without baptized would spend the
rest of eternity without being in communion with God.
In that last scenario, the logic you've put forth would, of course,
fall apart because the babies aborted would not be going to heaven.
Anyways, just a few quick thoughts.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Pascal's Wager Says You Should Have an Abortion for The Sake Of Your Child |
24 Apr 2007 11:39:06 AM |
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CE <jlrisdon@gmail.com> wrote:
<snipped logic flow>
That's a good bit of reasoning, Yang, as far as it goes. Fortunately
for the continued existence of the human race on earth, it's not that
simple.
The first thing I'd note is that killing is wrong,
Except when you find a good enough reason.
in which case the
killing of the unborn baby lowers the probability of going to heaven
of the abortionist and his or her assistants and the mother and
perhaps the father.
And when you force pregnant women to give birth, and when some of them
die as a result, then you go to hell for rejecting Jesus.
For Roman Catholics, there's always confession but
the person confessing must be truly repentant.
Why do they worship the Pope?
Secondly, we are taught in the Roman Catholic religion to not put our
Lord our God to the test.
Why do you worship a false god? Why do you worship a pope?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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24 Apr 2007 02:10:38 PM |
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On 24 Apr 2007 08:22:07 -0700, CE <jlrisdon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:34 am, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
<snipped logic flow>
That's a good bit of reasoning, Yang, as far as it goes. Fortunately
for the continued existence of the human race on earth, it's not that
simple.
I'm glad you realizes that I say this in jest.
The first thing I'd note is that killing is wrong, in which case the
killing of the unborn baby lowers the probability of going to heaven
of the abortionist and his or her assistants and the mother and
perhaps the father. For Roman Catholics, there's always confession but
the person confessing must be truly repentant. I'm guessing that's
probably hard to do after living for years with a pattern of sin.
Secondly, we are taught in the Roman Catholic religion to not put our
Lord our God to the test. And I think killing someone and seeing if
they go to heaven would probably qualify as testing God.
Thirdly, I'd like to point out that the current pope's teaching
regarding limbo is not Catholic doctrine and Pope Benedict's
pronouncement did not even have the weight of a papal encyclical. It's
still not clear exactly what will come out of all this in the long
run. In the meantime, there's also reason for Catholics to continue to
believe the traditional teaching that limbo exists. If it does, then
children who are aborted and so die without baptized would spend the
rest of eternity without being in communion with God.
In that last scenario, the logic you've put forth would, of course,
fall apart because the babies aborted would not be going to heaven.
On that last point, if 1-E[Pr(fetus stuck in limbo
forever|abortion)]>1-E[Pr(Fetus grows up to renounce Catholicism)]
then you still would want have abortion if maximizing the fetus'
probability to attaining heavenhood is your objective.
But thanks for the clarification wrt to the Benedict's pronouncement
vs official doctrine, I was not aware of that.
Anyways, just a few quick thoughts.
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3331 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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23 Apr 2007 05:12:37 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:34:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
yang has waaaaay too much time on his hands = 100%
Get off the dole and get a job, please.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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23 Apr 2007 09:27:41 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:12:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:34:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
yang has waaaaay too much time on his hands = 100%
Pr(64 Yo Loser Earl Weber Ever Gets Laid)=0%
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3320 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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23 Apr 2007 12:57:41 PM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:27:41 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:12:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:34:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
yang has waaaaay too much time on his hands = 100%
Pr(64 Yo Loser Earl Weber Ever Gets Laid)=0%
You sure are a sex pervert, aren't you yang ChiNK.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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23 Apr 2007 04:35:47 PM |
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in article 2ssp23dfmpbeeqarvcsbi7175lqraqck4c@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 4/23/07 1:57 PM:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:27:41 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:12:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:34:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
yang has waaaaay too much time on his hands = 100%
Pr(64 Yo Loser Earl Weber Ever Gets Laid)=0%
You sure are a sex pervert, aren't you yang ChiNK.
To Duke, anyone who acknowledges that sex EXISTS, is a pervert.
Paul
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24 Apr 2007 03:45:22 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:35:47 -0400, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net>
wrote:
in article 2ssp23dfmpbeeqarvcsbi7175lqraqck4c@4ax.com, duke at
duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote on 4/23/07 1:57 PM:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:27:41 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:12:37 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:34:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
*Yes, this is a shot at the stupidity of the original Pascal's Wager,
as well as the absurdity of theology, given its logical implication.
yang has waaaaay too much time on his hands = 100%
Pr(64 Yo Loser Earl Weber Ever Gets Laid)=0%
You sure are a sex pervert, aren't you yang ChiNK.
To Duke, anyone who acknowledges that sex EXISTS, is a pervert.
BINGO!
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3331 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "duke" |
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24 Apr 2007 05:07:43 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:45:22 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
You sure are a sex pervert, aren't you yang ChiNK.
To Duke, anyone who acknowledges that sex EXISTS, is a pervert.
BINGO!
It's all you talk about, yang. Strictly teenager stuff.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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24 Apr 2007 09:53:54 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:07:43 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:45:22 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
You sure are a sex pervert, aren't you yang ChiNK.
To Duke, anyone who acknowledges that sex EXISTS, is a pervert.
BINGO!
It's all you talk about, yang. Strictly teenager stuff.
LOL!
You mean the teeanager stuff you haven't had in all 64 years of your
pathetic life?
--
Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Sorcery Division
The Bush 'balanced' budget: -3 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: 12.5 million FEWER jobs than Clinton and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -3331 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
newsgroups Yang promises not to revenge post
in response to Sound-of-Trumpet's *****:
rec.art.scifi.written
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24 Apr 2007 04:10:38 PM |
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:53:54 -0700, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
It's all you talk about, yang. Strictly teenager stuff.
You mean the teeanager stuff you haven't had in all 64 years of your
pathetic life?
It's all you talk about, yang - sex. You act like a 13 year old.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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