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"V" |
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13 Dec 2007 10:18:05 AM |
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Peak oil is a conspiracy |
Peak oil is a conspiracy
No, the oil shortages are artificial (as in supply logistics, such as
not building any more refineries, and taking Iraq out of the supply)
as well as the decline in the $, not because of "peak oil" being a
fact. Why sell more for less, when you can sell less for more? Goat
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V writes:
If one desires to be truth based, it is good to be skeptical and not a
blissninny. But we must be careful about falling into the trap of a
becoming a 'dogmatic skeptic' as opposed to a 'skeptical skeptic.'
Lets reserve the title of dogmatic skeptic for our atheist friends and
not those that desire to learn the truth with regard to peak oil
issues.
"If the public does think briefly about future oil supplies, the
question usually asked is, "How long will oil last?" This is the wrong
question. Oil will be extracted in some insignificant quantity perhaps
200 years from now. The critical question is: When does the peak of
world oil production occur?" ~ Richard C. Duncan
It may all be true that what we have been told about peak oil is a
hoax. Same as the skeptics that claim global warming is a hoax. It may
all be a conspiracy, just a cruel trick on the consumer to line the
pockets of industry with more money...only time will settle this
debate
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=63&contentid=2097
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/mike-ruppert-and-peak-oil/
http://www.energybulletin.net/4466.html
I always tell the proponents saying peak oil is a conspiracy and think
that we have an unlimited amount of oil, natural gas, coal,
uranium...actions speak louder than words.
We can look at Hubbert's prediction of the USA's peak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
He was right.
We can look at global oil production and see what the trend is.
We can look at the trend in drilling to see how deep we have to go to
find oil.
We can look at the quality of crude being produced. Is it light sweet
crude or high sulfur, heavy, hard to refine crude?
Lately we have been putting much of our hope in the tar sands of
Canada. When we have to get the oil out of the sand and shale it
sounds like we are hitting the bottom of the barrel. Even talk about
getting our gas from refining bitumen coal.
We get about 15% of our natural gas from Canada. That 15% amounts to
50% of the natural gas Canada produces. The US sucks down more energy
than any other country...no one can come close to us.
Our demands for natural gas are on the rise, just as our demands are
for all fossil fuels. Once demand outstrips production we are headed
over Hubert's peak in any number of areas besides crude. We can see
peak production issues in natural gas, uranium, food or water, just as
we will see with crude oil.
It is an easy task to see how much oil is produced in the world. But
finding the 'exact peak date' for world oil production is hard to
pinpoint. (see peak oil section)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crude_oil
For one thing, some countries production are erratic and they are not
transparent with their real production and discovery data.
Also oil production is not an exact science and still requires a
little luck. We may find a lucky hit down the road that brings in a
gusher to distort some of the figures.
No one knows the exact peak date for world oil production, but we do
know that time will come in the not so distant future. But finding the
peak is not hard problem once we can look back on it by a few
years....but we need some time to do it...again, only time will settle
this debate.
http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_worldoilproduction
http://hubbert.mines.edu/
http://www.mnforsustain.org/duncan_and_youngquist_encircling_oil.htm#The%20Wrong%20Question,%20And%20The%20Peak
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
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| User: "Glenn" |
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| Title: Re: Peak oil is a conspiracy |
13 Dec 2007 12:57:25 PM |
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V wrote:
Peak oil is a conspiracy
No, the oil shortages are artificial (as in supply logistics, such as
not building any more refineries, and taking Iraq out of the supply)
as well as the decline in the $, not because of "peak oil" being a
fact. Why sell more for less, when you can sell less for more? Goat
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V writes:
If one desires to be truth based, it is good to be skeptical and not a
blissninny. But we must be careful about falling into the trap of a
becoming a 'dogmatic skeptic' as opposed to a 'skeptical skeptic.'
Lets reserve the title of dogmatic skeptic for our atheist friends and
not those that desire to learn the truth with regard to peak oil
issues.
"If the public does think briefly about future oil supplies, the
question usually asked is, "How long will oil last?" This is the wrong
question. Oil will be extracted in some insignificant quantity perhaps
200 years from now. The critical question is: When does the peak of
world oil production occur?" ~ Richard C. Duncan
It may all be true that what we have been told about peak oil is a
hoax. Same as the skeptics that claim global warming is a hoax. It may
all be a conspiracy, just a cruel trick on the consumer to line the
pockets of industry with more money...only time will settle this
debate
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=63&contentid=2097
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/05/31/mike-ruppert-and-peak-oil/
http://www.energybulletin.net/4466.html
I always tell the proponents saying peak oil is a conspiracy and think
that we have an unlimited amount of oil, natural gas, coal,
uranium...actions speak louder than words.
We can look at Hubbert's prediction of the USA's peak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
He was right.
We can look at global oil production and see what the trend is.
We can look at the trend in drilling to see how deep we have to go to
find oil.
We can look at the quality of crude being produced. Is it light sweet
crude or high sulfur, heavy, hard to refine crude?
Lately we have been putting much of our hope in the tar sands of
Canada. When we have to get the oil out of the sand and shale it
sounds like we are hitting the bottom of the barrel. Even talk about
getting our gas from refining bitumen coal.
We get about 15% of our natural gas from Canada. That 15% amounts to
50% of the natural gas Canada produces. The US sucks down more energy
than any other country...no one can come close to us.
Our demands for natural gas are on the rise, just as our demands are
for all fossil fuels. Once demand outstrips production we are headed
over Hubert's peak in any number of areas besides crude. We can see
peak production issues in natural gas, uranium, food or water, just as
we will see with crude oil.
It is an easy task to see how much oil is produced in the world. But
finding the 'exact peak date' for world oil production is hard to
pinpoint. (see peak oil section)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crude_oil
For one thing, some countries production are erratic and they are not
transparent with their real production and discovery data.
Also oil production is not an exact science and still requires a
little luck. We may find a lucky hit down the road that brings in a
gusher to distort some of the figures.
No one knows the exact peak date for world oil production, but we do
know that time will come in the not so distant future. But finding the
peak is not hard problem once we can look back on it by a few
years....but we need some time to do it...again, only time will settle
this debate.
http://www.worldoil.com/INFOCENTER/STATISTICS_DETAIL.asp?Statfile=_worldoilproduction
http://hubbert.mines.edu/
http://www.mnforsustain.org/duncan_and_youngquist_encircling_oil.htm#The%20Wrong%20Question,%20And%20The%20Peak
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Oil Depletion is not a hoax, if for only one reason: If the entire Earth
were filled with oil, there would be a finite supply of oil.
But the entire earth is not filled with oil, therefore the supply of oil
is some significant amount less than the volume of the earth.
As someone has mentioned, the theory of Oil Depletion does not state
that we will completely run out of oil. The theory is about the fact
that the supply of oil will NOT continue to increase as it did from 1880
to 1980, but will begin to decrease.
In fact, we are now past peak oil, and the major Governments of the
World and the oil producers are aware of that fact.
At this time there is actually a conspiracy to support the price of oil
at an artificially LOW price, [like the conspiracy to conceal the news
from the public that mankind can not escape to space] because
Governments and Oil Producers alike are aware of the financial panic
which will follow the confirmation that the oil supply will no longer
supply the demand.
This news, that the world's oil supply will now begin to fall, will
increase the political unrest in the mid-east, and will be a cause of war.
The United States has no intention of removing its military from Iraq.
Consider the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://www.energybulletin.net/2544.html
http://dieoff.org/page224.htm (Olduvai Theory)
and needs to be reconsidered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe
and finally
http://www.dieoff.com/
Glenn
His witness
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www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Peak oil is a conspiracy |
13 Dec 2007 04:25:29 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:57:25 -0800, Glenn wrote:
Oil Depletion is not a hoax,
But "V" is...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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