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"Timothy Sutter" |
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09 Aug 2003 04:21:03 AM |
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do people change?
yeah sure, the physical nature
matures from infancy and ages
and dies.
do adults change?
well, i still remember me
finger painting in kindergarten.
and i figure it's not
just me remembering some
stranger's past life.
that was me finger painting
and i still remember me then.
so, that tiny speck seems
to be still me, still the same.
in fact i've carried that
speck around with me all
my life.
that person behind my eyeballs.
but have i changed at all?
and more than just gotten taller?
yeah sure, i've changed plenty.
i've added bits towards a
more complete personality.
and then we look at "God"
and say that God is "Holy"
and then say that part of
what "Holy" means is
to be complete.
and so, while i wouldn't suggest
that i undergo some radical alteration
of my personal identity at whim
or by happenstance,
i do make, and have made, additions
towards a more complete personailty
structure. some of which were the
shedding of so-called "dead works"
that are said to be unfruitul.
and so, while i would eschew the
pretense of behaving 'differently'
based -solely- on situation,
i would hope that 'eurekas' or
flashes of insight will never cease
until or unless i gain and maintain
that perfected completeness that God is.
even if we maintain that the
Holyness of God is something
only God possesses and therefore,
only God can make alive.
so, the purely human use of guile
and pretense to win favor in particular
instances is not really 'change' at
all but only the donning of disguise
so as to manipulate and to feed
the shortsighted human nature.
while the renewal of your mind -by- God
and the transformation and conversion
into the completeness of personality
will, in part, shed such a light on your
own understanding that -you- can see what
is worthwhile and what is nothing more
than the dead works that would destroy
your ties with the Divine Nature.
and your cooperative efforts
with God gives you character.
makes it stick, as it were.
of course, christians, in general,
tend to look beyond just this temporal
dwelling here and now.
we don't deny the importance
of here and now, quite the contrary,
this place offers us an ability to see
a growth into a likeness of God that
the "Angels" can not see.
we just suggest that the complete
conversion and "Glorification" of our
beings into Spirit Beings in absolute
likeness of God is somewhat out beyond
our present ability to comprehend in total.
but we catch glimpses.
and no, we don't run around bad mouthing
the "Angels" and saying "nyah nyah we're
gunna be like Christ and yer not"
but we do expect a true conversion way
out beyond just being a nice person and
experiencing some small amount of the
Joy of God here and now.
-that- would be an ultimate 'change'
"in the twinkling of an eye"
but we don't toss it all
into the breeze here
and now.
well, unless you just
wanna play with words.
John 1:47 [various translations]
Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him,
and saith of him, Behold, an Israelite
indeed, in whom is no guile.
When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching,
he said of him, "Here is a true Israelite,
in whom there is nothing false."
When Jesus saw him coming he said,
"There's a real Israelite, not a
false bone in his body."
Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him,
and said of him, "Behold, an Israelite
indeed, in whom is no deceit!"
Nathanael = "gift of God"
see, our friend Jesus points
this person out and calls
him a "true israelite"
because he isn't phony
or deceitful or artificial.
all that guile is not -you-
they want -you- not that bogus shill
for the devil and his spent flame.
some accompanying things;
this resembles the rather large Idol
that Nebuchadnezzar dreamt of and
Daniel interpretted.
the Idol represents a
government system
of sorts.
and it counterfeits
the Kingdom of God.
and i asked a while back;
"if it's a very good
counterfeit, what's
the problem?"
as an aside, "Love" entirely washes
the concept of 'Zoroastrianism' out.
and Zoroastrianism represent
the second empire, Medo-Persia
"mene tekel upharsin"
"-your- kingdom, oh Great One,
King of Confusion, has been wrested
away from you and split apart"
hearken back, the King of Confusion [Babylon]
is the Golden Head atop the Idol.
he awoke from his madness and
gave honor to the Most High.
the split kingdom of the Medes and
Persians is the chest and arms of silver.
we may begin to recognize the
trouble with this counterfeit.
just remember how Lucifer covetted
a crown that could not ever be his.
it's Lucifer's psyche
we are punishing here.
like one punishes the air
when he uses his hands
to talk.
remember;
King of Babylon [Confusion] began
to take personal credit for a city
he didn't build.
so look, Lucifer becomes an Adversary [Satan]
and brings a darkness into the situation.
but Lucifer still remembers
his days as the Fair One.
and in his little world,
he's now a two headed coin.
one "side" all "evil" and
the other "side" all good.
it is Lucifer who is in an
interminable struggle with Satan.
Lucifer is a House Divided
which -must- Fall. the Zoroastrian
imperative does not represent God,
but Lucifer and Satan.
Lucifer makes the grab and dooms
himself to an unwinnable war with
his own Selfish expectation.
from this point of view, what do you
think we should say when we get to the
belly of the statue, and find it
corresponds to a winged leopard
with 4 heads?
the golden head was like a lion
the silver chest and arms was like a bear
and now, the brass torso is
like a winged leopard with 4 heads.
excuse me, i've seen a lion before,
and i've seen a bear, but i have,
as yet, not seen a living leopard
with wings and 4 heads.
but, aside from the fact that greece
disintegrated into 4 smaller kingdoms
almost immediately upon assuming the Empire,
we do have Zeus and Hera,
a brother and sister act,
and Artemis and Apollo,
another brother and sister act.
once upon a time they were falling in love
and now they're only falling apart.
just remember one thing,
or maybe two things,
the Delphic pronouncement
was "Know who you are"
but look, if someone else knows
who you are and knows what makes
you tick, this knowledge can
be used to manipulate you.
if this knowledge can be kept in
the hands of the few, the few
can manipulate the many.
just look at this example;
someone makes a broad generalization;
"men don't ask for directions"
and then you say to yourself,
if you happen to be male;
"well, i wouldn't want anyone to
think me not a man, so i better
not ask anyone for directions"
and there you are, stuck in the middle
of nowhere, won't ask for directions
cuz someone told you not to.
cuz you're taking directions
from some bogus pronouncement
and not yourself.
they didn't discover some innate
characteristic of human behavior
other than the one that they used
to get you -not- to ask for directions.
mind you, this is a trivial example.
one trouble is, Adam and Eve became
ashamed of some certain knowledge
of themselves.
and we can even backtrack
that to Lucifer if we like.
well, we can if we like.
even if Lucifer is associated with
the Divining Serpent in the garden.
but look, obviously this shame stands
in the way of any usefulness coming
from a knowledge of self, and actually,
can make it easier for you to
be manipulated. even if it's
an unconcious fear.
no, God isn't trying to manipulate you
into a corner, that should be well
established in your minds.
:::refrain:::
if God were interested in automatic actions,
God wouldn't use conditioned response, God
would have made automated creatures.
remember, Eve said she felt tricked.
it can be stated with some certainty
that the Divining Serpent knew Eve
better that she knew herself.
and she was easily manipulated in
to doing a thing that furthered the
Divining Serpent's ends and bringing
a harm upon herself.
wonder what the Divining Serpent's
state of mind was at that time.
what if our little friend Lucifer became
like a candle that had no Fire, only as
[he] considered [himself], he carried around
the memory of his diminished brilliance.
our little friend Lucifer
"darkened his understanding"
but Lucifer apparently remains
attached to a life but with
the Light removed.
God being the ultimate source of the Light.
Satan is a blown out candle.
if they blew -your- candle out, you'd be dead.
what if, now our little friend
is only perpetuated by this
-illusion- of brilliance.
and, this Satan seeks to purloin
and use -your- temporary flame to
feed and perpetuate [his] illusion.
that is, you are born with an evanescent
flame from God, one which is as the grass
of the field, here today and passed tomorrow,
and Satan can transfix -his- illusion
of Self over -your- temporary existance.
what God seeks to accomplish is to annoint you
with oil, and burn the Fire of the Holy Spirit
in your midst with the intent of a full duplication
of God's character in unique identity parameters.
Satan is a phantom thief
God is a Living Presence
you are a host with a temporary dwelling
here's some statements by some
other people with some statements
by me interposed after <<<carats
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Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the
father as well as the soul of the son is mine:
the soul that sins shall die.
Psalms 63:1
A Psalm of David, when he was in the
Wilderness of Judah. O God, thou art my God,
I seek thee, my soul thirsts for thee; my flesh
faints for thee, as in a dry and weary land
where no water is.
Genesis 6:3
Then YHWH said, "My spirit shall not abide in man
for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be
a hundred and twenty years."
Job 32:8
But it is the spirit in a man, the breath of
the Almighty, that makes him understand.
Ecclesiastes 12:7
and the dust returns to the earth as it was,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
<<<man is a living lump of flesh to which God
<<<imparts life and gives a glimpse of understanding.
<<<this lump of flesh is mortal. it dies.
<<<and that bit of God returns to God.
<<<hold on, that's not all...
John 5:26
For as the Father has life in himself,
so he has granted the Son also to have
life in himself,
<<<God has life inherent, man does not.
<<<man's life, like that of all creatures
<<<comes from God, on loan. man is a
<<<temporary mortal creature.
Matthew 6:27
And which of you by being anxious can
add one cubit to his span of life?
<<<nothing you do can make your life any longer.
Matthew 16:26
For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole
world and forfeits his life? Or what shall a man give
in return for his life?
<<<your life can be forfeit.
<<<man cannot ransom his own life.
<<<man has no eternal life inherent in him.
<<<man's life is temporary.
Matthew 18:9
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it
out and throw it away; it is better for you
to enter life with one eye than with two eyes
to be thrown into the hell of fire.
<<<here you have "life" contrasted with "hell fire"
<<<and "gehenna" is a garbage dump.
<<<life vs. incineration.
Hebrews 12:29
for our God is a consuming fire.
<<<God is [like] Fire.
<<<i say [like] because it
<<<is somewhat figurative.
Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the
lake of fire. This is the second death,
the lake of fire;
<<<this "lake of fire" is the "second death"
<<<not "eternal life" in hell fire.
<<<death is life's opposite.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the
free gift of God is eternal life in
Christ Jesus our Lord.
<<<death is the opposite of life.
<<<the wages of sin is death,
<<<*not* eternal life in torment.
<<<the GIFT of God is eternal life thru Christ.
<<<why?
<<<because Christ was granted the right
<<<to have life inherent in himself
<<<as the Father has life in himself.
<<<man does *not* have life in himself.
<<<Man is MORTAL.
<<<God will grant "life" to those that God chooses.
1 Corinthians 3:14-15
If the work which any man has built on the
foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer
loss, though he himself will be saved, but
only as through fire.
<<<see, this is why they go on about laying up
<<<treasure for yourself "in heaven" becuz,
<<<anything that won't pass thru the "veil of fire"
<<<will not be "yours".
<<<and those that "die" die.
<<<and the spirit in man, small s,
<<<just reverts to the owner, God.
<<<God is [like] Fire.
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obviously, the fire that alit on the disciples
on the Day of Pentacost or "First Fruits"
did not burn them to death or even
wound them in any way.
but they saw what appeared
to be fire alighting on people.
so, don't get too hung up on
"consuming fire" as if it must,
therefore leave a pile of
ashes behind.
not always.
the Fire of God can anihilate -and- make alive.
a directive intelligence.
this is sort of what the
entire offer thru Christ is;
a Gift of Spiritual Integrity.
and, that is *not* something that
human beings are born with.
human beings are born with a
small glimpse of understanding.
and human beings cannot will themselves
to live or raise themselves up after
that life on loan fizzles out.
and yeah, sure, this flesh existance
does, somewhat, resemble a crucible
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| User: "The Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects" |
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| Title: Re: people |
09 Aug 2003 05:20:35 AM |
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On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 05:21:03 -0400, Timothy Sutter <a202010@lycos.com>
wrote:
do people change?
yeah sure, the physical nature
matures from infancy and ages
and dies.
8<---
Nope, not at all. It's the world which flutters and rattles past, and
People stand still, gawping at it. If They had any sense, They'd grab
something and hang on. Aging is due to Temporal concussion. I.e. Old
age hitting People hard in the back of the head when They were jerking
off or doing something equally pointless like bookkeping, and should
have been paying attention and dodging for Their life and testicles,
like Jesus on rollerskates on the freeway.
I have this on good authority, after lenghty consultation and
deliberation with the wart under my sixth left toe. So don't you try
and argue with my wart, mister.
***
"From an academic point of view, evangelical Christianity is a very
interesting meme, just like ebola is an interesting virus."
- Carl M. - 09 02 2002
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: Re: people |
09 Aug 2003 05:51:30 AM |
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The Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects wrote:
Timothy Sutter wrote:
do people change?
yeah sure, the physical nature
matures from infancy and ages
and dies.
8<---
Nope, not at all.
well, this sort of thing as i've described;
#the physical nature matures
#from infancy and ages and dies.
is true for most people who have been
born on earth while not necessarily
true for all people.
It's the world which flutters and rattles past, and
People stand still, gawping at it. If They had any sense,
They'd grab something and hang on.
and yet, -you- don't know what that "something" is.
you simply speak of a thing that
you have no clear reckoning of.
and so, your communications are meaningless.
Aging is due to Temporal concussion.
i'm not interested in buying your "wonder drugs."
I have this on good authority, after lenghty consultation and
deliberation with the wart under my sixth left toe. So don't you try
and argue with my wart, mister.
such doesn't need to be argued with,
but only dismissed as idle and
foolish prattle.
"From an evangelical Christian point of view,
the 'academic' standard of excellance is a, somewhat,
interesting meme, just like ebola is an interesting virus."
all -you- have to 'pass on' is a
hatred for everything "christian"
it's not -really- all that interesting.
oftentimes it simply appears
as if you hate yourselves.
and someone has none-too-cleverly shifted
-that- focus over on to some vague and ill
defined "christian" which you may now
hate with impunity.
it does cruel things to -your- insides.
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: Re: people |
09 Aug 2003 06:35:43 AM |
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The Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects wrote:
Timothy Sutter wrote:
The Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects wrote:
Timothy Sutter wrote:
do people change?
yeah sure, the physical nature
matures from infancy and ages
and dies.
8<---
Nope, not at all.
well, this sort of thing as i've described;
#the physical nature matures
#from infancy and ages and dies.
is true for most people who have been
born on earth while not necessarily
true for all people.
It's the world which flutters and rattles past, and
People stand still, gawping at it. If They had any sense,
They'd grab something and hang on.
and yet, -you- don't know what that "something" is.
It's in the nature of the whirlwinds of Chaos to throw up a wide
selection of tasty thingies. If you're lucky, you won't end up with a
car antenna trough your eye.
still doesn't show that you
know what that "something" is
and instead just you spouting off
about stuff you don't know persoanlly.
as usual.
you simply speak of a thing that
you have no clear reckoning of.
and so, your communications are meaningless.
A-ha! But maybe it's the other way around!
no, as you say below, you
are meaningless and idle.
Nah. I'm just babbling to you.
great, just so your "friends" know
you're just a downtime slave.
Aging is due to Temporal concussion.
i'm not interested in buying your "wonder drugs."
Good. That's good. How'bout some ordinary weed, then?
if you mean maryjuaner it should grow by
the roadside and i wouldn't have to buy
it from you or any other criminal element.
but, -you- people like it being illegal
so -you- can charge more money for a "weed"
I have this on good authority, after lenghty consultation and
deliberation with the wart under my sixth left toe. So don't you try
and argue with my wart, mister.
such doesn't need to be argued with,
but only dismissed as idle and
foolish prattle.
If you don't argue with my wart, I won't argue with you book.
you can argue with anything you like to argue with.
your 'wart' is lieing to you.
"From an evangelical Christian point of view,
the 'academic' standard of excellance is a, somewhat,
interesting meme, just like ebola is an interesting virus."
all -you- have to 'pass on' is a
hatred for everything "christian"
it's not -really- all that interesting.
Spot on. It's just not interesting enough to be worth the trouble
hating. It's more fun poking it and seeing what it does.
but you hate it anyway.
and the only one who get's poked is you.
oftentimes it simply appears
as if you hate yourselves.
Who? Where? We? Who's that then?
if you call yourself "rejects"
i can suggest to you that
you feel like "rejects"
Christ doesn't 'feel' like a "reject"
-you- do.
sometimes we say that we "reject society and man's world"
but we never call ourselves "rejects"
and someone has none-too-cleverly shifted
-that- focus over on to some vague and ill
defined "christian" which you may now
hate with impunity.
Oh. So we're the vague and ill defined "christian-haters",
which you can pity with impunity?
did -you- write the quote you quoted?
so, now you make defense for my arguments
against your other little friend who makes
up stories about viruses and he's now -you.
little knowing that all of -your-
"knowledge" has been handed to
you from elseware.
even your conjectures about
specific people you've never met.
while i simply make a generalized statement about a quote.
it does cruel things to -your- insides.
While my insides can take a little more punishment for a good cause,
define your "good cause"
and tempting as your offer to let me hate you is, I think I'll pass.
so you personalize a general statement by me.
and now, you're stuck with that.
But don't give up. I'm sure you'll eventually
find someone to feed your unnatural urges for you.
if you'd open your eyes,
you'd see that people from your
very own little play pen have
done just this.
called me "dangerous"
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: God is Life |
09 Aug 2003 04:22:06 AM |
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so, basically,
God is Life,
God is The Living God,
God did not create death,
death is not God's creation.
from before; a being who failed to recognize
God's Creative uniqueness darkened [his]
understanding, fabricating a Lie.
God recognizes the Lie
but the Lie is not God.
man was intended, in part, for
God's entry into the material realm,
along with a full duplication of God's
own character with unique
identity parameters.
our little friends, man, grabbed for the Lie
and brought death into the material realm.
death is still not God's creation,
it's just a material artifact of
the Lie that denies God's
Creative uniqueness.
so, God, the source of Living Waters,
enters fully into the material
realm as Jesus.
etc....skipping ahead...
Jesus did not so much die,
as he swallowed up death.
you could say, that Death
itself died in Christ.
and now, God has full manipulative
authority over a thing, death, which
was not created by God nor was
God's intention from the onset.
God cannot die and does not
die and did not create death,
but
God entered into the material world and
apprehended death and began dismantling
our other little friend's divided house.
well, that house is crushed, as if it
never stood, but, as for the finallity
of a thing, all in good time.
from before; a being who failed to recognize
God's Creative uniqueness darkened [his]
understanding, fabricating a Lie.
God recognizes the Lie
but the Lie is not God.
so, basically, "Lucifer/Satan"
carries around this impression
that [he] is "God"
not a defect of manufacturing,
but a personal corruption.
cuz look,
it's safe to suggest that human beings
don't remember their birth or their
ultimate beginnings.
but on in life, human beings can
develop memories that carry back
beyond their own personal beginnings.
that is, while you may not remember
your own birth, you can "remember"
that George Washington was the first
president of the United States of America.
so, then, look at our little friend "Lucifer/Satan"
Created in Brilliance, Perfect in all ways...
-not- created as a blank slate, but also,
not Created in isolation.
also, some of "Lucifer/Satan's" 'memories'
had to have been of things that predate
[his] own Creation.
so, some of [his] 'psychic' make-up,
by necessity, was of The Creator, YHWH God.
but what he did, was trade the evidence
of [his] Creation in for [his] own personal
Ideation that [he] was to be esteemed
as greater than YHWH God.
he darkened and covered up [his] understanding
of the evidence of [his] Creation, and sought
to spark an evidence of [his] own that [he]
had no beginning.
the evidence of [his] status as Creation
was clear for [he] was not alone.
others who were 'like God' spread
their wings above the Mercy Seat,
as well.
-this- trade was a personal corruption.
and one not shared by others 'like God'
so look, "Lucifer/Satan" still carried this
darkened understanding around with [him] when
[he] was allowed access to the human beings
in the Garden.
truth is, "Lucifer/Satan" carried a 'knowledge
of good and evil' which [he] had birthed
in [his] own personal corruption.
note:
YHWH God didn't say to the man;
"don't eat from that because
you will become like me and
I don't want that"
neither did YHWH God say;
"don't eat from that or -I- will kill you"
but our little friend the 'serpent'
said;
"if you eat of that you will become like "God""
but they didn't become "like God"
they became like "Lucifer/Satan"
with a darkened understanding
and personally corrupted.
ashamed and morally bankrupt.
but still able to pretend to themselves
that everything was fine just the way it
was just so long as they could manufacture
their own personal cover-ups for their
own personal view of inadequacy.
and if anything was astray,
it was someone else's fault.
not "Godlike" attributes.
as we suggest to you that YHWH God went so
far as to accept an admonishment of sorts
onto YHWH God for a corruption that was
not YHWH God's Creation.
and in so doing, disarm the fear of Death.
a fear that Lies against Faith.
a Faith that is the evidence of Love.
a Love that perpetutes renews and redeems Life.
a Life that has no beginning.
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but they didn't become "like God"
they became like "Lucifer/Satan"
with a darkened understanding
and personally corrupted.
but look, God doesn't intimately
know theft and murder,
God intimately knows Love.
God recognizes that which is not Love.
God scans the 'hearts' and
minds of human beings.
can suggest that "Lucifer/Satan"
has no 'secret' of which God
is not fully aware.
'aware' being the operative term.
this overexaggeration of self is
not Love, and God -is- Love, and
therefore when God reads this in
your mind, God recognizes that
as -not- Love.
so, look at theft murder and misrepresentation.
God can not know theft murder or
misrepresentation because all the
stuff belongs to God, right down
to the Life itself.
but when one does these actions,
these actions are recognized by God
as stemming from a source which
is -not- Love.
you have an other 'god'
and this other 'god' is so subtle,
that God can read the intent in your
mind -even- when you don't explicitly
carry the actions out.
but you can't sit there and point
at the 'devil' cuz [he's] already
pointing at you.
the 'devil' accuses you of being
like [him] and that accusation
bears a malignant growth in you,
because you fear death.
so, you become that scared little
creature who surrounds himself
in a fortress of futility.
devoid of Love
Love being incomprehensible thru
the veil of self centered fear.
and you are in desparate need of some
Mighty Hand to pull you out of this
dreary open casket in the center of Hell.
and now you agree.
"Talitha Cumi" "little lamb, arise"
"Lazarus, ["God has helped"] come forth"
be filled with Love and live forevermore.
what if our little friend Lucifer became
like a candle that had no Fire, only as
he considered himself, he carried around
the memory of his diminished brilliance.
just remember, Lucifer
was not denied any thing.
Lucifer was created in Perfection, sealed the sum.
it was an injustice that Lucifer
invented that was the birth of the Lie.
Lucifer saw "God" as a thing to be grasped.
but Lucifer is -not- The Creator
and won't become the Creator
by any means.
obviously, there is, at the very least,
one attribute that God cannot bestow
on any Creation.
and that is The Identification -as- Creator.
God can Create a Being that 'seals the sum,'
but that Creation can -never-
be identified as Creator.
and this Identification carries with
it a Life all its own that will not
be subject to mimicry.
God isn't 'holding back'
this Identification is simply non-transferrable.
and we praise and admire God -as- Creator.
we never seek a thing
for ourselves that is
not ours to have.
We accept the Gracious Gift of Life.
and we praise and admire God -as- Creator.
and, God can endow the
Creation with creative
abilities,
but, God will never take on
the attribution of 'creation'.
God alone is Creator and -never- "creation"
what is man that you
should consider him?
you made him lower than
the immortals to raise
him above.
man is malleable
man's character can be molded
the immortals were created immutable
the immortals were created in perfection.
some displayed a covetous nature.
this covetousness is Unjust.
these saw equallity with God
a thing to be grasped. they covetted
a stature that was not their own.
they saw the Divine manifestation
in themselves, assumed there was
no greater attribute, and desired
to take that which was
not their own.
thus disqualifying themselves of Love.
if God had been responsible for the covetousness
found in certain of the immortals, then all of them
would have become covetous and there'd be no such
thing as a Michael or a Gabriel.
but, Death did enter
and only God could swallow
that up thru Christ.
YHWH is Savior
YHWH is your friend
YHWH is God
they birthed a Lie.
but the Lie is a phantom.
as we shine a Light of Truth
the Lie can be dispelled.
the Lie has no reality of its own.
they should be Perfect beneath the Lie.
the Lie is blinding them to who they are.
they haven't changed.
they simply don't know who they are.
but they will
and so will you.
man is part and parcel of the
remediation effort that was
ordained before the beginning.
God did not bring the covetous nature
in to being by Divine forethought.
but, realizing the possibility of
such an arisal, had a remediation
effort at the ready.
and we see Jesus.
who emptied himself and became
as lower than the immortals
to suffer death.
it was not possible that
the grave could hold down
the indestructible life.
as perfect Love was manifested within those walls.
and Jesus has taken his human
attribute in to a place of
equality with God.
not by covetous desire,
but by willful submission.
God took the crucible
and made it his own.
God made himself lower than God,
and proved once and for all,
that God is God, and there
is no other.
for he did not covet
equality with God.
equality he possessed,
in Glory, before
the beginning.
he emptied himself,
and became a thing
despised.
proving Love
rising out of the belly of the great fish.
your sign is made manifest.
now, it is our duty to shine a Light
in the eyes of the fallen immortals.
and lift them back up to the prior state.
in Love for our God,
who alone is God.
see, nothing really -changed- about those
immortals when they discovered who they were.
the major change was in their own self Image.
they saw -themselves- in a different Light.
they saw -themselves- as beneath God.
but they held on to the manifestation
of the covetous injustice they had displayed.
and God cast them in to the crucible that is Earth.
and as the King of Babylon waltzed out on to
the balcony, looked over Babylon, the great city,
and those immortal words left his lips;
"was it not I?"
and in the moment those words crossed his lips,
he lost his reason and became
as an animal in the forest.
but 7 years later,
his reason was returned to him,
and he praised and honored
The Most High who dwells
in unapproachable Light
see, in the moment our friend, who walked
among the fiery stones, on the mountain
of God, said; "I will be like the Most High"
a cold shiver ran down his spine and
he came to the realization that he
was not Most High, at all.
the realization was locked in the words themselves.
he didn't say, "i am greater than the Most High"
no, he said, "I -will be- _like_ the Most High"
thunderstruck, he fell headlong in to madness.
and Jesus watched as he fell all
the way down into the material realm.
not with glee
the Garden of Gethsemene awaited
six feet from madness
"why do you seek me with clubs and torches in the night?"
"i told you who i was and why i came here."
"can't you stay awake for five minutes?"
"why do you seek the living among the dead?"
"before your fathers were, I am"
that stuff can't hold me,
i'm only here for...
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09 Aug 2003 04:23:35 AM |
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--
I'm half the man i used to be.
only
i haven't fallen apart
i've fallen together.
i used to be 16 people
and now i'm only 8.
--
real funny thing is that it
isn't really all that funny.
in fact, it may even have a practical
application inasmuch as understanding
one's own personality traits can assist
in the remediation of various troubles.
just take for example some
trait like 'patience'
some view patience as a
fruitful product of
the 'spirit'
and some view lashing out in anger
and impatience as a hazardous by-product
of the physical nature of the body
and material mind.
so, just suppose, for a brief second,
that, in this respect, you really were,
what amounted to, two people.
and a 'spirit' man and a 'material' man were
both making contributions to the outward
manifestation of your personality.
that is, your actions.
sure, you'd -like- the 'spirit' man
to overcome in this particular struggle
and give you increased patience.
not just because some person suggested to you
that patience is the -finer- quality, but because
you can demonstrate to yourself that patience is,
in fact, the more -advantageous- quality.
but you are still alive in the flesh.
so, you'd like that spiritual quality to take
hold in the flesh and manifest itself as if
it were a quality possessed by that same flesh.
that is, you suggest to yourself
that you'd like to 'crucify the flesh'
and what God does is grow out the bad
trait with a fruitful growth of
a good trait.
and over time, or all at once,
the conflict disappears and you
consolidate factors of your personal
manifestation as you grow in to
the stature of Christ.
and where at one time, you may have had
two contributions to a paticular character trait,
now, you have become a single unified front,
no longer fighting with yourself over a trivial
matter that may have been just the reptilian's
first line of defense.
shake rattle and roll.
and now, when confronted with the "fiery darts"
of the accuser, you find that those darts ain't
so fiery, and they fall way short of your shield of Faith.
so, when an -outward- influence pops up and suggests
that you smash and grab, you'll already have that
matter settled in your own house, and that influence
will not trigger an immediate conflict within that
house and incapacitate your actions
for the next several moments.
plenty of time for you to fall victim
to that outward influence's smash
and grab policy.
take a breath, find your spirit, and dance to its lead.
and seek guidance from the Holy Spirit.
and a 'spirit' man and a 'material' man were
both making contributions to the outward
manifestation of your personality.
that is, your actions.
sure, you'd -like- the 'spirit' man
to overcome in this particular struggle
and give you increased patience.
like the primary focus of your material persona
might be a self indulgent, impatient and angry one.
so basically, you ask yourself;
"what's in it for me?"
"why should i -not- be self indulgent impatient and angry?"
one reason is that your
material persona can
be tricked.
your body can send 'you' signals that tell
'you' that your needs have been properly
met when in reality, you are naked starving
and entirely bereft of security.
so, you make a greedy lunge for the
chocolate pudding and stuff your face
till you don't feel hungry anymore.
yeah, your body stops sending you signals of need,
-but- your body has not been properly nourished either.
and there you are convinced that all is well,
and sometime later you are called on to climb
to the top of a stairway to get to the next
bowl of strawberry iced cream.
only you have to get thru
a pack of wild dogs to get
near to those stairs.
mind you, this is just a hypothetical.
no real dogs will be biting you just yet.
but you seem to be finding that your body
has made no allowance for anything much
more than that lunge for easy access.
and then you find yourselves
at war when access isn't so easy.
and warfare troubles you.
and you'd like to eat your pudding in peace.
or at least, some portion of your
overall persona would like to have
a moment to recline.
and then you've answered yourself.
"-that's- what's in it for me"
only your material persona never
realizes that all on its own.
never realizes that it can get
more rest more joy more peace
if it didn't seek to immediately
fulfill its own perception of want.
but your spirit man thrives on these
more than on a large bowl of pudding.
and you can switch 'pudding' with all the
stuff that sends you messages that your
needs have been met, for a while, and
those needs arise again.
our friend Jesus said it this way;
"when you drink -that- water,
you will thirst again"
"if you drink from the fountain -i- have,
you will never thirst again"
i'd suggest that it was an easy bet that
everyone on this planet wants their needs
to be met and to never thirst again.
but your most vital and basic needs
are not food and clothing and shelter.
sure, they _seem_ to be your most essential needs,
but your material nature can lie to you.
you -need- peace and joy and love
and -that- springs up from Christ.
and all the rest is already there for you,
but when everyone makes the mad lunge
all at the same time, much is lost.
take Christ in to you.
see the Life giving Spirit materalize within you.
that's what's in it for you.
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09 Aug 2003 12:54:30 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:3F34BD97.376D@lycos.com...
--
I'm half the man i used to be.
only
i haven't fallen apart
i've fallen together.
i used to be 16 people
and now i'm only 8.
--
real funny thing is that it
isn't really all that funny.
in fact, it may even have a practical
application inasmuch as understanding
one's own personality traits can assist
in the remediation of various troubles.
just take for example some
trait like 'patience'
some view patience as a
fruitful product of
the 'spirit'
and some view lashing out in anger
and impatience as a hazardous by-product
of the physical nature of the body
and material mind.
so, just suppose, for a brief second,
that, in this respect, you really were,
what amounted to, two people.
and a 'spirit' man and a 'material' man were
both making contributions to the outward
manifestation of your personality.
that is, your actions.
sure, you'd -like- the 'spirit' man
to overcome in this particular struggle
and give you increased patience.
not just because some person suggested to you
that patience is the -finer- quality, but because
you can demonstrate to yourself that patience is,
in fact, the more -advantageous- quality.
but you are still alive in the flesh.
so, you'd like that spiritual quality to take
hold in the flesh and manifest itself as if
it were a quality possessed by that same flesh.
that is, you suggest to yourself
that you'd like to 'crucify the flesh'
and what God does is grow out the bad
trait with a fruitful growth of
a good trait.
and over time, or all at once,
the conflict disappears and you
consolidate factors of your personal
manifestation as you grow in to
the stature of Christ.
and where at one time, you may have had
two contributions to a paticular character trait,
now, you have become a single unified front,
no longer fighting with yourself over a trivial
matter that may have been just the reptilian's
first line of defense.
shake rattle and roll.
and now, when confronted with the "fiery darts"
of the accuser, you find that those darts ain't
so fiery, and they fall way short of your shield of Faith.
so, when an -outward- influence pops up and suggests
that you smash and grab, you'll already have that
matter settled in your own house, and that influence
will not trigger an immediate conflict within that
house and incapacitate your actions
for the next several moments.
plenty of time for you to fall victim
to that outward influence's smash
and grab policy.
take a breath, find your spirit, and dance to its lead.
and seek guidance from the Holy Spirit.
and a 'spirit' man and a 'material' man were
both making contributions to the outward
manifestation of your personality.
that is, your actions.
sure, you'd -like- the 'spirit' man
to overcome in this particular struggle
and give you increased patience.
like the primary focus of your material persona
might be a self indulgent, impatient and angry one.
so basically, you ask yourself;
"what's in it for me?"
"why should i -not- be self indulgent impatient and angry?"
one reason is that your
material persona can
be tricked.
your body can send 'you' signals that tell
'you' that your needs have been properly
met when in reality, you are naked starving
and entirely bereft of security.
so, you make a greedy lunge for the
chocolate pudding and stuff your face
till you don't feel hungry anymore.
yeah, your body stops sending you signals of need,
-but- your body has not been properly nourished either.
and there you are convinced that all is well,
and sometime later you are called on to climb
to the top of a stairway to get to the next
bowl of strawberry iced cream.
only you have to get thru
a pack of wild dogs to get
near to those stairs.
mind you, this is just a hypothetical.
no real dogs will be biting you just yet.
but you seem to be finding that your body
has made no allowance for anything much
more than that lunge for easy access.
and then you find yourselves
at war when access isn't so easy.
and warfare troubles you.
and you'd like to eat your pudding in peace.
or at least, some portion of your
overall persona would like to have
a moment to recline.
and then you've answered yourself.
"-that's- what's in it for me"
only your material persona never
realizes that all on its own.
never realizes that it can get
more rest more joy more peace
if it didn't seek to immediately
fulfill its own perception of want.
but your spirit man thrives on these
more than on a large bowl of pudding.
and you can switch 'pudding' with all the
stuff that sends you messages that your
needs have been met, for a while, and
those needs arise again.
our friend Jesus said it this way;
"when you drink -that- water,
you will thirst again"
"if you drink from the fountain -i- have,
you will never thirst again"
i'd suggest that it was an easy bet that
everyone on this planet wants their needs
to be met and to never thirst again.
but your most vital and basic needs
are not food and clothing and shelter.
sure, they _seem_ to be your most essential needs,
but your material nature can lie to you.
you -need- peace and joy and love
and -that- springs up from Christ.
and all the rest is already there for you,
but when everyone makes the mad lunge
all at the same time, much is lost.
take Christ in to you.
see the Life giving Spirit materalize within you.
that's what's in it for you.
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: Re: Jesus Christ is Savior |
09 Aug 2003 01:15:57 PM |
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Matthew 6
1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men,
to be seen by
them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2Therefore, when
you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the
hypocrites do in
the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from
men. Assuredly, I
say to you, they have their reward. 3But when you do a charitable
deed, do not let
your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4that your
charitable deed may be
in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward
you openly.[1]
(1) 5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For
they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that
they may be seen
by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6But you,
when you pray, go
into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your
Father who is in the
secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you
openly.[2] 7And
when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For
they think that
they will be heard for their many words.
8"Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things
you have need of
before you ask Him. 9In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory
forever. Amen.[3]
14"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father
will also forgive you.
15But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your
Father forgive your
trespasses.
16 "Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a
sad countenance.
For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be
fasting. Assuredly, I
say to you, they have their reward. 17But you, when you fast,
anoint your head and
wash your face, 18so that you do not appear to men to be fasting,
but to your Father
who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will
reward you
openly.[4]
(2) 19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth
and rust destroy
and where thieves break in and steal; 20but lay up for yourselves
treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break
in and steal.
21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
(3) 22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is
good, your whole
body will be full of light. 23But if your eye is bad, your whole
body will be full of
darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how
great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one
and love the other,
or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You
cannot serve God and
mammon.
(4) 25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what
you will eat or what
you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not
life more than food
and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air,
for they neither sow
nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds
them. Are you not of
more value than they? 27Which of you by worrying can add one cubit
to his stature?
28"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow:
they neither toil nor spin; 29and yet I say to you that even
Solomon in all his glory was
not arrayed like one of these. 30Now if God so clothes the grass of
the field, which
today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much
more clothe you, O
you of little faith?
31"Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What
shall we drink?' or
"What shall we wear?' 32For after all these things the Gentiles
seek. For your heavenly
Father knows that you need all these things. 33But seek first the
kingdom of God and
His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34Therefore do not worry
about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things.
Sufficient for the day is
its own trouble.
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| User: "Rev. 11D Meow!" |
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09 Aug 2003 01:48:20 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:3F353A5D.3D57@lycos.com...
Matthew 6
1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men,
to be seen by
them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2Therefore, when
you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the
hypocrites do in
the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from
men. Assuredly, I
say to you, they have their reward. 3But when you do a charitable
deed, do not let
your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4that your
charitable deed may be
in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward
you openly.[1]
(1) 5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For
they love to pray
standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that
they may be seen
by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6But you,
when you pray, go
into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your
Father who is in the
secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you
openly.[2] 7And
when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For
they think that
they will be heard for their many words.
8"Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things
you have need of
before you ask Him. 9In this manner, therefore, pray:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts,
As we forgive our debtors.
13And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory
forever. Amen.[3]
14"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father
will also forgive you.
15But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your
Father forgive your
trespasses.
16 "Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a
sad countenance.
For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be
fasting. Assuredly, I
say to you, they have their reward. 17But you, when you fast,
anoint your head and
wash your face, 18so that you do not appear to men to be fasting,
but to your Father
who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will
reward you
openly.[4]
(2) 19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth
and rust destroy
and where thieves break in and steal; 20but lay up for yourselves
treasures in heaven,
where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break
in and steal.
21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
(3) 22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is
good, your whole
body will be full of light. 23But if your eye is bad, your whole
body will be full of
darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how
great is that darkness!
24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one
and love the other,
or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You
cannot serve God and
mammon.
(4) 25 "Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what
you will eat or what
you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not
life more than food
and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air,
for they neither sow
nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds
them. Are you not of
more value than they? 27Which of you by worrying can add one cubit
to his stature?
28"So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the
field, how they grow:
they neither toil nor spin; 29and yet I say to you that even
Solomon in all his glory was
not arrayed like one of these. 30Now if God so clothes the grass of
the field, which
today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much
more clothe you, O
you of little faith?
31"Therefore do not worry, saying, "What shall we eat?' or "What
shall we drink?' or
"What shall we wear?' 32For after all these things the Gentiles
seek. For your heavenly
Father knows that you need all these things. 33But seek first the
kingdom of God and
His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34Therefore do not worry
about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things.
Sufficient for the day is
its own trouble.
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09 Aug 2003 02:13:50 PM |
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so?
I see your telesophy crap is just that... CRAP!
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:3F354582.1F02@lycos.com...
Matthew 9
(1) 1 So He got into a boat, crossed over, and came to His own
city. 2Then behold,
they brought to Him a paralytic lying on a bed. When Jesus saw
their faith, He said to
the paralytic, "Son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you."
3And at once some of the scribes said within themselves, "This Man
blasphemes!"
4But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in
your hearts? 5For
which is easier, to say, "Your sins are forgiven you,' or to say,
"Arise and walk'? 6But
that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive
sins"--then He
said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed, and go to your
house." 7And he arose
and departed to his house.
8Now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled[1] and glorified
God, who had given
such power to men.
(2) 9 As Jesus passed on from there, He saw a man named Matthew
sitting at the tax
office. And He said to him, "Follow Me." So he arose and followed
Him.
10Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that
behold, many tax
collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His
disciples. 11And when the
Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, "Why does your
Teacher eat with tax
collectors and sinners?"
12When Jesus heard that, He said to them, "Those who are well have
no need of a
physician, but those who are sick. 13But go and learn what this
means: "I desire mercy
and not sacrifice.'[2] For I did not come to call the righteous,
but sinners, to
repentance."[3]
(3) 14 Then the disciples of John came to Him, saying, "Why do we
and the Pharisees
fast often,[4] but Your disciples do not fast?"
15And Jesus said to them, "Can the friends of the bridegroom mourn
as long as the
bridegroom is with them? But the days will come when the bridegroom
will be taken
away from them, and then they will fast. 16No one puts a piece of
unshrunk cloth on
an old garment; for the patch pulls away from the garment, and the
tear is made
worse. 17Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the
wineskins break, the
wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new
wine into new
wineskins, and both are preserved."
(4) 18 While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came
and worshiped Him,
saying, "My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on
her and she will
live." 19So Jesus arose and followed him, and so did His disciples.
20And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years
came from behind
and touched the hem of His garment. 21For she said to herself, "If
only I may touch His
garment, I shall be made well." 22But Jesus turned around, and when
He saw her He
said, "Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well."
And the woman was
made well from that hour.
23When Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the flute players
and the noisy
crowd wailing, 24He said to them, "Make room, for the girl is not
dead, but sleeping."
And they ridiculed Him. 25But when the crowd was put outside, He
went in and took
her by the hand, and the girl arose. 26And the report of this went
out into all that
land.
27 When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed Him,
crying out and
saying, "Son of David, have mercy on us!"
28And when He had come into the house, the blind men came to Him.
And Jesus said
to them, "Do you believe that I am able to do this?"
They said to Him, "Yes, Lord."
29Then He touched their eyes, saying, "According to your faith let
it be to you." 30And
their eyes were opened. And Jesus sternly warned them, saying, "See
that no one
knows it." 31But when they had departed, they spread the news about
Him in all that
country.
32 As they went out, behold, they brought to Him a man, mute and
demon-possessed.
33And when the demon was cast out, the mute spoke. And the
multitudes marveled,
saying, "It was never seen like this in Israel!"
34But the Pharisees said, "He casts out demons by the ruler of the
demons."
(5) 35 Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching
in their synagogues,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and
every disease
among the people.[5] 36But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved
with
compassion for them, because they were weary[6] and scattered, like
sheep having no
shepherd. 37Then He said to His disciples, "The harvest truly is
plentiful, but the
laborers are few. 38Therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send
out laborers into
His harvest."
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Matthew 16
(1) 1 Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked
that He would
show them a sign from heaven. 2He answered and said to them, "When
it is evening
you say, "It will be fair weather, for the sky is red'; 3and in the
morning, "It will be foul
weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.' Hypocrites![1]
You know how to
discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of
the times. 4A wicked
and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be
given to it except
the sign of the prophet[2] Jonah." And He left them and departed.
(2) 5 Now when His disciples had come to the other side, they had
forgotten to take
bread. 6Then Jesus said to them, "Take heed and beware of the
leaven of the
Pharisees and the Sadducees."
7And they reasoned among themselves, saying, "It is because we have
taken no
bread."
8But Jesus, being aware of it, said to them, "O you of little
faith, why do you reason
among yourselves because you have brought no bread?[3] 9Do you not
yet
understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and
how many baskets
you took up? 10Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how
many large baskets
you took up? 11How is it you do not understand that I did not speak
to you concerning
bread?--but to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and
Sadducees." 12Then they
understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of
bread, but of the
doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
(3) 13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He
asked His disciples,
saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?"
14So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others
Jeremiah or one of
the prophets."
15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
16Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of
the living God."
17Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon
Bar-Jonah, for flesh and
blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18And I also say
to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church,
and the gates of
Hades shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give you the keys
of the kingdom of
heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and
whatever you
loose on earth will be loosed[4] in heaven."
20Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that
He was Jesus the
Christ.
(4) 21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He
must go to
Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests
and scribes, and be
killed, and be raised the third day.
22Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far
be it from You,
Lord; this shall not happen to You!"
23But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are
an offense to Me,
for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of
men."
(5) 24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone desires to come
after Me, let him
deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25For whoever
desires to save his
life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find
it. 26For what profit is it
to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or
what will a man give in
exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of Man will come in the glory
of His Father with
His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
(6) 28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who
shall not taste death
till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
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09 Aug 2003 03:00:38 PM |
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09 Aug 2003 03:13:13 PM |
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Matthew 23
(1) 1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
2saying: "The scribes
and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3Therefore whatever they tell
you to observe,[1]
that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for
they say, and do not
do. 4For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on
men's shoulders; but
they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5But
all their works they
do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and
enlarge the borders of
their garments. 6They love the best places at feasts, the best
seats in the
synagogues, 7greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by
men, "Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8But you, do not be called "Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the
Christ,[2] and you are
all brethren. 9Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is
your Father, He who
is in heaven. 10And do not be called teachers; for One is your
Teacher, the Christ.
11But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And
whoever exalts
himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be
exalted.
13"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut
up the kingdom of
heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you
allow those who are
entering to go in. 14Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you devour
widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you
will receive
greater condemnation.[3]
15"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel
land and sea to win
one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son
of hell as
yourselves.
16"Woe to you, blind guides, who say, "Whoever swears by the
temple, it is nothing;
but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to
perform it.' 17Fools and
blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that
sanctifies[4] the gold? 18And,
"Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by
the gift that is on
it, he is obliged to perform it.' 19Fools and blind! For which is
greater, the gift or the
altar that sanctifies the gift? 20Therefore he who swears by the
altar, swears by it
and by all things on it. 21He who swears by the temple, swears by
it and by Him who
dwells[5] in it. 22And he who swears by heaven, swears by the
throne of God and by
Him who sits on it.
23"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe
of mint and anise
and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law:
justice and mercy
and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others
undone. 24Blind
guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
25"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse
the outside of the
cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and
self-indulgence.[6] 26Blind
Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the
outside of them may be
clean also.
27"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like
whitewashed tombs
which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of
dead men's bones and all
uncleanness. 28Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men,
but inside you
are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build
the tombs of the
prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30and say, "If
we had lived in the
days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in
the blood of the
prophets.'
31"Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons
of those who
murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your
fathers' guilt. 33Serpents,
brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
34Therefore, indeed, I
send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will
kill and crucify, and
some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from
city to city,
35that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth,
from the blood of
righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom
you murdered
between the temple and the altar. 36Assuredly, I say to you, all
these things will come
upon this generation.
(2) 37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and
stones those who
are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children
together, as a hen gathers
her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your
house is left to you
desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you
say, "Blessed is He who
comes in the name of YHWH!"'[7]
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09 Aug 2003 06:13:08 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Matthew 26
(1) 1 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these
sayings, that He said to
His disciples, 2"You know that after two days is the Passover, and
the Son of Man will
be delivered up to be crucified."
3Then the chief priests, the scribes,[1] and the elders of the
people assembled at the
palace of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas, 4and plotted to
take Jesus by
trickery and kill Him. 5But they said, "Not during the feast, lest
there be an uproar
among the people."
(2) 6 And when Jesus was in Bethany at the house of Simon the
leper, 7a woman
came to Him having an alabaster flask of very costly fragrant oil,
and she poured it on
His head as He sat at the table. 8But when His disciples saw it,
they were indignant,
saying, "Why this waste? 9For this fragrant oil might have been
sold for much and
given to the poor."
10But when Jesus was aware of it, He said to them, "Why do you
trouble the woman?
For she has done a good work for Me. 11For you have the poor with
you always, but
Me you do not have always. 12For in pouring this fragrant oil on My
body, she did it for
My burial. 13Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is
preached in the whole
world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to
her."
(3) 14 Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the
chief priests 15and
said, "What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?"
And they counted out to
him thirty pieces of silver. 16So from that time he sought
opportunity to betray Him.
(4) 17 Now on the first day of the Feast of the Unleavened Bread
the disciples came
to Jesus, saying to Him, "Where do You want us to prepare for You
to eat the
Passover?"
18And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him,
"The Teacher says,
"My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at your house with My
disciples.""'
19So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they
prepared the Passover.
20When evening had come, He sat down with the twelve. 21Now as they
were eating,
He said, "Assuredly, I say to you, one of you will betray Me."
22And they were exceedingly sorrowful, and each of them began to
say to Him, "Lord,
is it I?"
23He answered and said, "He who dipped his hand with Me in the dish
will betray Me.
24The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe
to that man by
whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that
man if he had not
been born."
25Then Judas, who was betraying Him, answered and said, "Rabbi, is
it I?"
He said to him, "You have said it."
(5) 26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed[2] and
broke it, and gave it
to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
27Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them,
saying, "Drink from it,
all of you. 28For this is My blood of the new[3] covenant, which is
shed for many for
the remission of sins. 29But I say to you, I will not drink of this
fruit of the vine from
now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's
kingdom."
30And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of
Olives.
Jesus Predicts Peter's Denial
(6) 31 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble
because of Me this
night, for it is written:
"I will strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'[4]
32But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee."
33Peter answered and said to Him, "Even if all are made to stumble
because of You, I
will never be made to stumble."
34Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you that this night,
before the rooster crows,
you will deny Me three times."
35Peter said to Him, "Even if I have to die with You, I will not
deny You!"
And so said all the disciples.
(7) 36 Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and
said to the
disciples, "Sit here while I go and pray over there." 37And He took
with Him Peter and
the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply
distressed. 38Then
He said to them, "My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death.
Stay here and
watch with Me."
39He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed,
saying, "O My Father, if it is
possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will,
but as You will."
40Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said
to Peter, "What!
Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41Watch and pray, lest you
enter into
temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak."
42Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, "O My
Father, if this cup
cannot pass away from Me unless[5] I drink it, Your will be done."
43And He came and
found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy.
44So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time,
saying the same
words. 45Then He came to His disciples and said to them, "Are you
still sleeping and
resting? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is being
betrayed into the
hands of sinners. 46Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at
hand."
(8) 47 And while He was still speaking, behold, Judas, one of the
twelve, with a great
multitude with swords and clubs, came from the chief priests and
elders of the people.
48Now His betrayer had given them a sign, saying, "Whomever I kiss,
He is the One;
seize Him." 49Immediately he went up to Jesus and said, "Greetings,
Rabbi!" and kissed
Him.
50But Jesus said to him, "Friend, why have you come?"
Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and took Him. 51And
suddenly, one of those
who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword,
struck the servant of
the high priest, and cut off his ear.
52But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who
take the sword will
perish[6] by the sword. 53Or do you think that I cannot now pray to
My Father, and
He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54How
then could the
Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?"
55In that hour Jesus said to the multitudes, "Have you come out, as
against a robber,
with swords and clubs to take Me? I sat daily with you, teaching in
the temple, and
you did not seize Me. 56But all this was done that the Scriptures
of the prophets might
be fulfilled."
Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled.
(9) 57 And those who had laid hold of Jesus led Him away to
Caiaphas the high priest,
where the scribes and the elders were assembled. 58But Peter
followed Him at a
distance to the high priest's courtyard. And he went in and sat
with the servants to
see the end.
59Now the chief priests, the elders,[7] and all the council sought
false testimony
against Jesus to put Him to death, 60but found none. Even though
many false
witnesses came forward, they found none.[8] But at last two false
witnesses[9] came
forward 61and said, "This fellow said, "I am able to destroy the
temple of God and to
build it in three days."'
62And the high priest arose and said to Him, "Do You answer
nothing? What is it these
men testify against You?" 63But Jesus kept silent. And the high
priest answered and
said to Him, "I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if
You are the Christ, the
Son of God!"
64Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to
you, hereafter you will
see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and
coming on the clouds of
heaven."
65Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, "He has spoken
blasphemy! What
further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His
blasphemy!
66What do you think?"
They answered and said, "He is deserving of death."
67Then they spat in His face and beat Him; and others struck Him
with the palms of
their hands, 68saying, "Prophesy to us, Christ! Who is the one who
struck You?"
(10) 69 Now Peter sat outside in the courtyard. And a servant girl
came to him,
saying, "You also were with Jesus of Galilee."
70But he denied it before them all, saying, "I do not know what you
are saying."
71And when he had gone out to the gateway, another girl saw him and
said to those
who were there, "This fellow also was with Jesus of Nazareth."
72But again he denied with an oath, "I do not know the Man!"
73And a little later those who stood by came up and said to Peter,
"Surely you also are
one of them, for your speech betrays you."
74Then he began to curse and swear, saying, "I do not know the
Man!"
Immediately a rooster crowed. 75And Peter remembered the word of
Jesus who had
said to him, "Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three
times." So he went out
and wept bitterly.
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Mark 14
(1) 1 After two days it was the Passover and
the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief
priests and the scribes sought how they might
take Him by trickery and put Him to death. 2But
they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be
an uproar of the people."
(2) 3 And being in Bethany at the house of
Simon the leper, as He sat at the table, a
woman came having an alabaster flask of very
costly oil of spikenard. Then she broke the flask
and poured it on His head. 4But there were
some who were indignant among themselves,
and said, "Why was this fragrant oil wasted?
5For it might have been sold for more than
three hundred denarii and given to the poor."
And they criticized her sharply.
6But Jesus said, "Let her alone. Why do you
trouble her? She has done a good work for Me.
7For you have the poor with you always, and
whenever you wish you may do them good; but
Me you do not have always. 8She has done
what she could. She has come beforehand to
anoint My body for burial. 9Assuredly, I say to
you, wherever this gospel is preached in the
whole world, what this woman has done will also
be told as a memorial to her."
(3) 10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve,
went to the chief priests to betray Him to them.
11And when they heard it, they were glad, and
promised to give him money. So he sought how
he might conveniently betray Him.
(4) 12 Now on the first day of Unleavened
Bread, when they killed the Passover lamb, His
disciples said to Him, "Where do You want us to
go and prepare, that You may eat the
Passover?"
13And He sent out two of His disciples and said
to them, "Go into the city, and a man will meet
you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him.
14Wherever he goes in, say to the master of
the house, "The Teacher says, "Where is the
guest room in which I may eat the Passover
with My disciples?"' 15Then he will show you a
large upper room, furnished and prepared; there
make ready for us."
16So His disciples went out, and came into the
city, and found it just as He had said to them;
and they prepared the Passover.
17In the evening He came with the twelve.
18Now as they sat and ate, Jesus said,
"Assuredly, I say to you, one of you who eats
with Me will betray Me."
19And they began to be sorrowful, and to say
to Him one by one, "Is it I?" And another said,
"Is it I?"[1]
20He answered and said to them, "It is one of
the twelve, who dips with Me in the dish. 21The
Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of
Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of
Man is betrayed! It would have been good for
that man if he had never been born."
(5) 22 And as they were eating, Jesus took
bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them
and said, "Take, eat;[2] this is My body."
23Then He took the cup, and when He had
given thanks He gave it to them, and they all
drank from it. 24And He said to them, "This is
My blood of the new[3] covenant, which is shed
for many. 25Assuredly, I say to you, I will no
longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that
day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."
26And when they had sung a hymn, they went
out to the Mount of Olives.
(6) 27 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will
be made to stumble because of Me this
night,[4] for it is written:
"I will strike the Shepherd,
And the sheep will be scattered.'[5]
28"But after I have been raised, I will go before
you to Galilee."
29Peter said to Him, "Even if all are made to
stumble, yet I will not be."
30Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you
that today, even this night, before the rooster
crows twice, you will deny Me three times."
31But he spoke more vehemently, "If I have to
die with You, I will not deny You!"
And they all said likewise.
(7) 32 Then they came to a place which was
named Gethsemane; and He said to His
disciples, "Sit here while I pray." 33And He took
Peter, James, and John with Him, and He began
to be troubled and deeply distressed. 34Then
He said to them, "My soul is exceedingly
sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and
watch."
35He went a little farther, and fell on the
ground, and prayed that if it were possible, the
hour might pass from Him. 36And He said,
"Abba, Father, all things are possible for You.
Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not
what I will, but what You will."
37Then He came and found them sleeping, and
said to Peter, "Simon, are you sleeping? Could
you not watch one hour? 38Watch and pray,
lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed
is willing, but the flesh is weak."
39Again He went away and prayed, and spoke
the same words. 40And when He returned, He
found them asleep again, for their eyes were
heavy; and they did not know what to answer
Him.
41Then He came the third time and said to
them, "Are you still sleeping and resting? It is
enough! The hour has come; behold, the Son of
Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners.
42Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at
hand."
(8) 43 And immediately, while He was still
speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, with a great
multitude with swords and clubs, came from the
chief priests and the scribes and the elders.
44Now His betrayer had given them a signal,
saying, "Whomever I kiss, He is the One; seize
Him and lead Him away safely."
45As soon as he had come, immediately he
went up to Him and said to Him, "Rabbi, Rabbi!"
and kissed Him.
46Then they laid their hands on Him and took
Him. 47And one of those who stood by drew his
sword and struck the servant of the high priest,
and cut off his ear.
48Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Have
you come out, as against a robber, with swords
and clubs to take Me? 49I was daily with you in
the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me.
But the Scriptures must be fulfilled."
50Then they all forsook Him and fled.
51 Now a certain young man followed Him,
having a linen cloth thrown around his naked
body. And the young men laid hold of him,
52and he left the linen cloth and fled from them
naked.
(9) 53 And they led Jesus away to the high
priest; and with him were assembled all the
chief priests, the elders, and the scribes. 54But
Peter followed Him at a distance, right into the
courtyard of the high priest. And he sat with
the servants and warmed himself at the fire.
55Now the chief priests and all the council
sought testimony against Jesus to put Him to
death, but found none. 56For many bore false
witness against Him, but their testimonies did
not agree.
57Then some rose up and bore false witness
against Him, saying, 58"We heard Him say, "I will
destroy this temple made with hands, and within
three days I will build another made without
hands."' 59But not even then did their testimony
agree.
60And the high priest stood up in the midst and
asked Jesus, saying, "Do You answer nothing?
What is it these men testify against You?"
61But He kept silent and answered nothing.
Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him,
"Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?"
62Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of
Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and
coming with the clouds of heaven."
63Then the high priest tore his clothes and said,
"What further need do we have of witnesses?
64You have heard the blasphemy! What do you
think?"
And they all condemned Him to be deserving of
death.
65Then some began to spit on Him, and to
blindfold Him, and to beat Him, and to say to
Him, "Prophesy!" And the officers struck Him
with the palms of their hands.[6]
(10) 66 Now as Peter was below in the
courtyard, one of the servant girls of the high
priest came. 67And when she saw Peter
warming himself, she looked at him and said,
"You also were with Jesus of Nazareth."
68But he denied it, saying, "I neither know nor
understand what you are saying." And he went
out on the porch, and a rooster crowed.
69And the servant girl saw him again, and
began to say to those who stood by, "This is
one of them." 70But he denied it again.
And a little later those who stood by said to
Peter again, "Surely you are one of them; for
you are a Galilean, and your speech shows
it."[7]
71Then he began to curse and swear, "I do not
know this Man of whom you speak!"
72A second time the rooster crowed. Then
Peter called to mind the word that Jesus had
said to him, "Before the rooster crows twice,
you will deny Me three times." And when he
thought about it, he wept.
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| Title: YHWH is Savior |
09 Aug 2003 04:24:45 AM |
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God is Love
God has no "sin consciousness"
God doesn't -know- "sin"
God realizes the sin consciousness has arisen
and recognizes it as a lie and contrary to Love.
the elemental material manifestation,
which shall be referred to as "the stuff,"
was good when created.
the stuff itself is good
and has no "sin" consciousness.
the harm in taking from the knowledge
of good and evil was not simply in going
contrary to the firm suggestion of God.
if we liken the knowledge of good and evil to
a "sin consciousness" then we cannot attribute
this "sin consciousness" to either God or to the stuff.
therefore, we acknowledge the manifestation of
this "sin consciousness" as that of the darkened
imaginings of a self deceived liar.
now, we cannot suggest to ourselves that "sin"
simply does not exist and, therefore, may go
about the task of robbing, cheating, stealing
and doing murders just so long as we do
not condemn ourselves for these.
no, these things are the natural product of
the "sin consciousness," which is a consciousness
that is not God's and not a natural component of
the stuff, and do not become Love because
we choose to call it so.
God allows that "sin consciousness"
to bear fruit in the stuff to show
it for exactly what it is.
and what it is is a lie.
the "sin consciousness" lies to the "mind"
of the stuff and creates a lie in the stuff.
the "mind" of the stuff does not comprehend God.
God comprehends God.
the Light of God travels on the medium of Faith.
God bears witness to the "mind" of
the stuff thru the medium of Faith.
the stuff is God's and the stuff is good.
God will reclaim the stuff as God's.
so, God uses you to demonstrate that the
"sin consciousness" is a lie and then tends
to the business of renewing the mind of the
stuff in the image of its Creator which
is Christ who knows no "sin".
exposing the liar as unjust.
and forging a stronger bond of Love.
a full demonstration that God is Light
and in God there is no darkness at all.
God allows that "sin consciousness"
to bear fruit in the stuff to show
it for exactly what it is.
and what it is is a lie.
the "sin consciousness" lies to the "mind"
of the stuff and creates a lie in the stuff.
the reason this does not amount to an absolution
of all responsibility for you, is because you,
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