Religions > Bible > PHONY-Pastor Dave: Very Likely a PATHOLOGICAL Liar.
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PHONY-Pastor Dave: Very Likely a PATHOLOGICAL Liar. |
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:00:51 GMT,
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Pastor" Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Phony-pastor Dave probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
Wrong. You LIE all the time, and then call yourself a "pastor."
Document one lie.
ROTFL!!!! Just "one?" I could probably use the bandwidth
that a binary would consume, just to reproduce the lies you
tell within any given month! Including THIS one that you posted
just minutes or hours ago:
"We all got the truth a long time ago. Unfortunately
for you, that has nothing to do with the speech you
keep posting, in an effort to avoid the truth."
Prove that was a lie.
Moron. My next paragraph explained that.
DAMN, but you are one very STUPID troll !!!
A reference you made again today to the detailed outline
I often use as a SIG, which makes total dog meat of the stance
of Anti-Choicers like you, regarding abortion. Neither you, nor
anyone else, has EVER been able to disprove ANY of the facts
that it contains. Despite the fact that I've been indicting your
loathsome agenda against women, with it, for about 4-1/2 years
now. It appears again below -- mocking you! Because you can
do NOTHING to disprove it.
Anti-Choice is for losers. Welcome to that club. Because liars
like you *also* are losers. Making you a loser twice over.
They have been disproved many times. Ignoring that
doesn't prove a thing.
Blatant LIE.
You still have not documented one lie by me.
Blatant LIE -- ***PSEUDO***-pastor.
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(Here's the outline that he can't even BEGIN to disprove
ANY part of. It totally destroys any credibilitity that the loathsome
and sociopathic Anti-Choice agenda may ever have had. And just
as I predicted in another post to him today, he therefore deleted it.
Anti-Choicers can COUNT on it's continuing to HAUNT them
until the day arrives when their fetid agenda joins its equally
hateful first cousin, segregation, in extinction.)
-- Craig Chilton
(To E-mail me, remove the "_".)
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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| Title: Re: PHONY-Pastor Dave: Very Likely a PATHOLOGICAL Liar. |
06 Jan 2005 06:03:25 AM |
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"Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,478 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:41f4dd91.180765134@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:00:51 GMT,
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Pastor" Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Craig Chilton probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
You don't have much room to call anyone a liar Craig. Why don't you prove
some of the ***** you post here all the time before you go around calling
other people liars.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,477 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!" |
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| Title: Re: PHONY-Pastor Dave: Very Likely a PATHOLOGICAL Liar. |
06 Jan 2005 07:56:05 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:03:25 -0600,
Mindless Bigot, "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Craig Chilton probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
You don't have much room to call anyone a liar Craig. Why don't
you prove some of the ***** you post here all the time before you go
around calling other people liars.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU should talk, cowardly-anonymous loser of a bigot. You are as
DUMB as Dave is dishonest. Since to any person having a working
brain, the facts presented in the outline below are as obvious and
self-evident as is the fact that the sun emits light.
So thanks for starting our January 6th off with a big laugh -- you
who are idiotic enough to BE an Anti-Choice sociopath.
REMINDER -- There is NO such thing as a FACT that supports of
jusrifies FORCING **any** woman to gestate-to-term against her will...
which would be a very real form of RAPE.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
(To E-mail me, remove the "_".)
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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06 Jan 2005 08:13:46 AM |
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+Hello,+
Abortion, done properly, is ok, however the way it is being done, such
as:
"Live-birth Abortion", is horrible, and unbelievable. If "abortion"
were done in a
civilized manner it would be nothing more than a late period, or better
yet,
the after sex-pill would be the best. However if the woman is too
stupid to
abort in an intelligent manner, do we really want her progeny
populating
our space?
Giving civilized abortion a stigma is what is causing all the trouble.
It is the
people saying legal abortion is bad that are causing the "Live-birth
Abortion"
nightmare etc.
paminfarm.com
paminifarm.tripod.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Jan 2005 10:37:29 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:56:05 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Craig Chilton --
Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,477 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!!) pontificated:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:03:25 -0600,
Mindless Bigot, "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Craig Chilton probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
You don't have much room to call anyone a liar Craig. Why don't
you prove some of the ***** you post here all the time before you go
around calling other people liars.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU should talk, cowardly-anonymous loser of a bigot. You are as
DUMB as Dave is dishonest.
And yet, you have been unable to cite one lie by me.
Since to any person having a working
brain, the facts presented in the outline below are as obvious and
self-evident as is the fact that the sun emits light.
And this is what you call "facts". Insults. That says
a lot about you.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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06 Jan 2005 12:52:31 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:n8qqt05h1r45r05b9t6r0kplcumddipjuh@4ax.com...
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:56:05 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Craig Chilton --
Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,477 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!!) pontificated:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:03:25 -0600,
Mindless Bigot, "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Craig Chilton probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
You don't have much room to call anyone a liar Craig. Why don't
you prove some of the ***** you post here all the time before you go
around calling other people liars.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU should talk, cowardly-anonymous loser of a bigot. You are as
DUMB as Dave is dishonest.
And yet, you have been unable to cite one lie by me.
You keep telling us abortion is forbidden by God. Where's that at, again?
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06 Jan 2005 06:52:30 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:52:31 -0600,
"Ouroboros Rex" wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Mindless Bigot, "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Craig Chilton probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
You don't have much room to call anyone a liar Craig. Why don't
you prove some of the ***** you post here all the time before you go
around calling other people liars.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU should talk, cowardly-anonymous loser of a bigot. You are as
DUMB as Dave is dishonest.
And yet, you have been unable to cite one lie by me.
You keep telling us abortion is forbidden by God. Where's
that at, again?
If he provides you with the Anti-Choicers' stock answer, remind
him not to step on any ants.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
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(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
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06 Jan 2005 11:16:49 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:37:29 GMT,
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Mindless Bigot, "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Craig Chilton probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
You don't have much room to call anyone a liar Craig. Why don't
you prove some of the ***** you post here all the time before you go
around calling other people liars.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU should talk, cowardly-anonymous loser of a bigot. You
are as DUMB as Dave is dishonest.
And yet, you have been unable to cite one lie by me.
That, in itself was yet *another* of your lies. I catch you in
them constantly, and call you on them. And you lied again in
your next statement, farther down.
Since to any person having a working brain, the facts
presented in the outline below are as obvious and
self-evident as is the fact that the sun emits light.
And this is what you call "facts". Insults.
That outline (which you omitted again, craven COWARD that
you are, since it INDICTS you and your ilk for the hateful bigots
that you are) contains NO insults.
And everything I've said about *you* is 100% accurate, BASED
upon things YOU have said.
The outline you COWERED from is back again to haunt you.
And it will keep returning until the loathsome Anti-Choice agenda
becomes extinct.
-- Craig Chilton
(To E-mail me, remove the "_".)
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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| Title: Re: PHONY-Pastor Dave: Very Likely a PATHOLOGICAL Liar. |
06 Jan 2005 10:36:17 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 06:44:10 GMT, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Craig Chilton --
Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,478 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
Forever!!) pontificated:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:00:51 GMT,
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Pastor" Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Phony-pastor Dave probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
You see, whenever you can't refute my statements, you
start a new thread, with one goal in mind. To make
false accusations and trash me. But that's who you are
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,477 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!" |
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| Title: Re: PHONY-Pastor Dave: Very Likely a PATHOLOGICAL Liar. |
06 Jan 2005 11:01:38 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:36:17 GMT,
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
PHONY-Pastor" Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Phony-pastor Dave probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
You see, whenever you can't refute my statements, you
start a new thread, with one goal in mind. To make
false accusations and trash me. But that's who you are
Nope. A pathological liar is what *you* are. And everyone
can see that very plainly. Refuting **any** person who is ignorant
enough to be an RRR cultist is a cakewalk for any person having
a good knowledge of the relevant facts. NO facts even exist that
support their agendas of hate against millions of people. And
relevant facts ABOUND that **support** personal liberties. And
that's why egalitarians routinely make dog meat of the lame and
vacuous arguments of hateful bigots like you.
Everything I've stated outright about you is true. And every
speculation I've made about you has a very high probablility of
being true. Such as the possibility of your being a pathological
liar. Since if by any chance you're not a pathological one, you
certainly are a **habitual** one, and you did it again in this post.
You have the credibility of a dead cockroach, pseudo-pastor.
== Previous post restored below, for the convenience of the
readers, so they can easily see all of this for themselves. ==
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 03:00:51 GMT,
PHONY-Pastor Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Pastor" Dave wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
[[[ READERS: If pathological liars were candidates for
cackle factories, Phony-pastor Dave probably would
be doing his posting from a rubber room in one.
Because in this post, it becomes very apparent that
he's so PROGOUNDLY ignorant, he isn't even AWARE
that almost every post he puts up contains one or more
very OBVIOUS lies. ]]]
[ ... ]
Wrong. You LIE all the time, and then call yourself a "pastor."
Document one lie.
ROTFL!!!! Just "one?" I could probably use the bandwidth
that a binary would consume, just to reproduce the lies you
tell within any given month! Including THIS one that you posted
just minutes or hours ago:
"We all got the truth a long time ago. Unfortunately
for you, that has nothing to do with the speech you
keep posting, in an effort to avoid the truth."
Prove that was a lie.
Moron. My next paragraph explained that.
DAMN, but you are one very STUPID troll !!!
A reference you made again today to the detailed outline
I often use as a SIG, which makes total dog meat of the stance
of Anti-Choicers like you, regarding abortion. Neither you, nor
anyone else, has EVER been able to disprove ANY of the facts
that it contains. Despite the fact that I've been indicting your
loathsome agenda against women, with it, for about 4-1/2 years
now. It appears again below -- mocking you! Because you can
do NOTHING to disprove it.
Anti-Choice is for losers. Welcome to that club. Because liars
like you *also* are losers. Making you a loser twice over.
They have been disproved many times. Ignoring that
doesn't prove a thing.
Blatant LIE.
You still have not documented one lie by me.
Blatant LIE -- ***PSEUDO***-pastor.
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(Here's the outline that he can't even BEGIN to disprove
ANY part of. It totally destroys any credibilitity that the loathsome
and sociopathic Anti-Choice agenda may ever have had. And just
as I predicted in another post to him today, he therefore deleted it.
Anti-Choicers can COUNT on it's continuing to HAUNT them
until the day arrives when their fetid agenda joins its equally
hateful first cousin, segregation, in extinction.)
-- Craig Chilton
(To E-mail me, remove the "_".)
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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