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"Pastor Dave" |
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28 Jan 2008 07:25:31 PM |
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@PING: CHUCKY CHUCKLES, THE CHRISTIAN HATER! |
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:25:23 -0800, "Chuck Stamford"
<shell__stamford@cox.net> said the following:
Regarding Spiritman's claim that believers in Christ are
God's elect, Chuck responded to "Spiritman" with the
following, claiming that it is the Jews who are God's elect:
CHUCK: This is a lie against the God who created you,
and you should be ashamed.
So let's see if Chuck is right about what Spiritman posted:
"Spiritman" <Spiritman@q.com> wrote in message
Those who did not/do not believe Jesus was the Messiah
sent from God who was manifest in the flesh were/are
anti-Christ. This goes for Atheists, Muslims, Buddhists,
and all who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah sent
from God who was manifest in the flesh.
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ
is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit
of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;
and even now already is it in the world." - 1 John 4:3
It seems that what Spiritman posted is right on target!
But when it comes to the Jews, many Christians
ignorantly proclaim that those who practice Judaism
in Israel, who are said to be Jews, who have nothing
to do with Christ, are God's very elect. Truth is, they
are not, they are anti-Christ.
This is a lie against the God who created you,
and you should be ashamed.
So then, Chuck thinks that the Jews who reject Christ,
are God's elect!
Now we know that you stated that should a third temple
be rebuilt, complete with the animal sacrifices that are
the purpose of the temple, that you would stand there,
raising your hands, praising God for it, even though
animal sacrifices for sin spits at the cross. And Paul said
the following about it, even when the temple still stood:
Galatians 3:1-4
1) O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you
that you should not obey the truth, before whose
eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among
you as crucified?
2) This only I want to learn from you: Did you
receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by
the hearing of faith?
3) Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit,
are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
4) Have you suffered so many things in vain;
If indeed it was in vain?
According to Paul, it is foolishness to go to Judaism!
Can you tell us Chuck, how you explain the following
passage to us?...
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise,
and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce,
if it were possible, even the elect." - Mark 13:22
So how is it that Jesus said that "false Christs" would
arise and if possible, fool the elect, if the elect are as
you say, those who call Jesus a false Christ: namely
the Jews?
"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of
a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect
from the four winds, from one end of heaven to
the other." - Matthew 24:31
Now according to you Chuck, this isn't about Christians
being gathered, but rather, all those Jews who hate
Jesus Christ, because according to you, they are His elect!
"And [you] have put on the new man, which is renewed
in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER GREEK, NOR JEW,
CIRCUMCISION, NOR UNCIRCUMCISION, Barbarian,
Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL AND
IN ALL. Put on therefore, as THE ELECT OF GOD,
holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness,
humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering... EVEN
AS CHRIST FORGAVE YOU... Let the word of Christ
dwell in you richly in all wisdom..." - Col 3:10-12,13b,16a
Now let us notice that this is written to a church
in Colossae and speaks of CHRISTIANS and says
that there is no "Jew or Greek (Gentile)", but rather,
all are one in Christ and Paul calls for them to forgive
one another AS CHRIST FORGAVE THEM! Now how
is that possible, if it is about national Jews, when by
\rejecting Christ, they ARE NOT IN CHRIST and do
not have the blood of Christ covering (washing away)
their sins?!? Hello?!?
PAUL CALLS *_CHRISTIANS_* THE ELECT, CHUCK!!!
Oh but wait, that can't be, because it's only the Jews
who are God's elect! So I guess the Bible must be
telling lies here, right Chuck?!
Paul said this to a church is Colossae, which according
to Chuck, if he's right about who the elect are, consisted
of Jews who rejected Christ!
So Christian churches, according to Chuck, consisted
of non-Christian, Jewish Jesus haters! Huh?!?
Now I know that you and Vera and others like to call me
(and GK and SM) "anti-Semites" because we point these
things out to you about your false doctrine, but the
question is, why don't you ever say it about the Apostles?
I mean after all, if what you're claiming about us is true
(which it isn't, but you are trying to deceptively twist
what we say, to rally support against us, because you
know we have blown your false doctrine out of the water
and so you try to distract from that), then you should be
all over the Apostles on this! I mean hey, let's look at
the biggest anti-Semites of all (under your claims) had
to say about the Jews! You know, those crazy Jewish
Apostles, Chucky! :)
These are the passages that silence all of those Futurist,
"To Hell with God; Let's worship the Jews!" idiots that
post here and who have never once responded to these
verses and been able to carry on their claims. They run
away and then pull this same crap again and again!
So let's see what those crazy Anti-Semite Apostles were
up to back then and see what they said to and about the
Jews, shall we?! :)
Acts 2:22-23
22) YE MEN OF ISRAEL, hear these words; Jesus
of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you
by miracles and wonders and signs, which God
did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves
also know:
23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel
and foreknowledge of God, YE have taken, and
by wicked hands HAVE CRUCIFIED AND SLAIN.
Acts 5:24-30
24) Now when the high priest and the captain of
the temple and the chief priests heard these things,
they doubted of them whereunto this would grow.
25) Then came one and told them, saying, Behold,
the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the
temple, and teaching the people.
26) Then went the captain with the officers, and
brought them without violence: for they feared
the people, lest they should have been stoned.
27) And when they had brought them, they
set them before the council: and the high priest
asked them,
28) Saying, Did not we straitly command you that
ye should not teach in this name? And, behold,
ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine,
AND INTEND TO BRING THIS MAN'S BLOOD
UPON US!
29) Then Peter and the other Apostles answered
and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30) The God of our fathers raised up JESUS,
WHOM YE SLEW AND HANGED ON A TREE.
Yea, apparently, according to Chuck's doctrine,
the Apostles were the biggest anti-Semites of all! :)
So to Chuck and his cronies, the Jews who reject Christ,
are God's elect! Those who killed Christ, are God's elect!
No Chuck, the problem is not "Spiritman", but you!!!
The Jews claim that the Messiah has not come!
They call Jesus, at best, a sorcerer! Or maybe
a "good teacher, but he lied when he claimed
to be the Messiah and his parlor tricks were
just that".
But hey, they're the elect, right Chuckles?!
Gee, if all people have to do is deny Christ to be the elect
then maybe we should all deny Christ and convert to
Judaism and we too can be the elect!!!
And apparently, killing Christ earns you special privilege
with God, according to Chucky Chuckles and Vera and
the other cronies!
No Chuck, it isn't about any of us lying! It is about YOU
and YOUR lies and your absolute perversion of Scripture,
pitting it against itself, so that it ends up saying the
exact opposite of what it actually says!
And FYI, while you think that all national Jews will
be saved, that was not the prophecy...
"And many of the children of Israel shall he turn
to the Lord their God." - Luke 1:16
Note that it says "many", which doesn't even necessarily
mean "most"; just "many". You can convert many,
without most being saved and Romans 9:27 says that
only a remnant of them would be saved, which proves
that in those passages, the "all Israel" is not "all of
national Israel", but is the church, which it says is
some Jews, plus whatever the "fullness of the Gentiles"
is and that's what makes up, "all Israel", or it wouldn't
say about national Jews, "only a remnant" would be
saved, Chucky! And Luke 1:16, quoted above, would
have said, "ALL the children of Israel", if it meant ALL
national Jews, not "many"!
And I know you foolish idiots believe that the Jews can
go to God without Christ, through the Law, but Jesus
was a Jew and what did He say, Chuckles???
"Jesus saith unto him, *I* am the way, the truth, and
the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me."
- John 14:6
According to the Lord Jesus Christ, NO ONE comes to
God, except THROUGH HIM!!! That means that there
is NO OTHER WAY TO GOD, CHUCK!!!
The Law is not the way! And it was nailed to the cross!
"But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy,
and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the
guiltless." - Matthew 12:7
And finally, the following sums it up, since Jesus' ministry
was to the Jews and that is who He is talking about here!:
John 15:22-24
22) If I had not come and spoken unto them,
they had not had sin: but now they have no
cloak for their sin.
He came and He spoke to the Jews and so,
they had no cloak for their sin!
23) He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
Now lookey there, Chuckles! It says that those
who hate Christ, hate the Father also! Jesus
Christ Himself said that, sir!
So tell us all, Chucky... How is it that Jews
can reject Christ and have Him killed, which
obviously shows some hatred, don't ya think
and yet, according to you, still be saved through
the Law, when Jesus said that to hate Him and
reject Him, means to hate the Father, who is God?!
Can you explain that one to us please, Chucky boy?
We're waiting to hear this one, believe me!!! :)
24) If I had not done among them the works
which none other man did, they had not had
sin: but now have they both seen and hated
both me and my Father.
Now notice what it says here! Jesus said that
He came and preached to them and did great
works among them and that THEY HATED HIM,
CHUCK!!! So now what? It means that THEY
HATE GOD ALSO!!!
There is no way around this, Chuck! The Jews
who reject Christ, hate the Father God, just as
Jesus said! Now how does that equate to being
saved, Chuck?! How can they be saved apart
from Christ, through the Law, when He said
that to reject Him is to hate the Father also?!
Now Jews can hate God and be saved?!?
That's what you're saying, when you make
these foolish claims of yours, Chuckles!
Scripture will always beat you Chuck, because you're
always on the wrong side of the Gospel! Stop worshipping
Jews and your vain, "It's all about me, me, me and my time!"
doctrine and start believing what Scripture says and start
worshipping Christ, instead of trying to make His cross
of no value!!!
"For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is
made void, and the promise made of none effect."
- Romans 4:14
It seems that what Spiritman posted is right on target!
The lie is you pretending to be a Christian!
And while you knock Preterism, you only show yourself
to be foolish, since you do it with false claims like this
one about the Jews being God's elect! Those who God
has selected to be part of His Kingdom in Christ, which
is spiritual, not physical, are "God's elect"!
It isn't Preterists that always end up not only
contradicting Scripture, but constantly pitting
it against itself! That's YOU and your false
Futurist doctrine!
The Jews claim that the Messiah has not come!
You say they're the elect!
And then you claim that Preterists are twisting Scripture?!
<chuckle>
--
"Fantasy abandoned by reason, produces impossible monsters."
- Francis Goya
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| Title: Re: @PING: CHUCKY CHUCKLES, THE CHRISTIAN HATER! |
28 Jan 2008 11:48:30 PM |
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There you go again, lying about someone else and attempting character
assassination in the process. Please prove to me via the Holy
Scriptures where character assassination as you are attempting to do
in this thread (entitled by you "@Ping: CHUCKY CHUCKLES, THE CHRISTIAN
HATER!") is condoned by God? C'mon Dave, you do it so often you need
to show us scriptural justification if you can.
The reason you won't? Because there IS NO SCRIPTURAL JUSTIFICATION for
the character assassination attempts you commit on a daily basis.
Why do you lack self-control?
Why are you prone to insults?
Why do you post such dishonesty daily?
Why do you lack patience?
Why are you such a brawler on Usenet?
Why do you exhibit so little gentleness?
Why are you so contentious?
Why are you quick-tempered?
Why are you overbearing?
These are all legitimate questions that you need to answer. Maybe you
won't answer to us, but you need to answer these questions honestly to
yourself? And you will HAVE to answer to God for these things.
I pray you will seek spiritual counseling ASAP.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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