On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:37:45 -0800, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Scott" <chayim@cox.net> spake thusly:

ignoring the old testament prophets spells DOOM and people build an
understanding off of the additions to the foundation and not setting a
view
on solid foundation..

why NOT TAKE THE PROPHETS for what they say/ you people are being seduced
by demonic doctrines,, and WIDE IS THE PATH that leads to destruction and
MANY GO THERE..

does not matter what this or that group does.. read the prophets,, there
is
clear physical kingdom there, STOP IGNORING THE PROMISES GIVEN TO LITERAL
AND PHYSICAL HEBREWS CALLED JEWS..

failure to accept these things can result in one's should being utterly
lost
to them. don't ignore ALL THE PROPHETS , failure to heed and understand
their literal meanings can lead to your destructions..

get ahold of yourselves, this doctrine is setting you up to be against GOD
THE FATHER.. its the doctrine of demons.

You seem to forget your foot in mouth doctrine that you
were exposed on a short time ago. And yet, your ego
keeps inflating and you just can't admit that you might
be wrong. But here ya go, Scott. Let's take every
word of the prophets literally and see what happens.

Now it is your contention that in the new heaven and
Earth, there is no more dying, because you take it
literally. Look at what Revelation has to say...

Revelation 21:1-4

1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the
first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and
there was no more sea.
2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming
down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride
adorned for her husband.
3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying,
Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will
dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God
himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor
crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the
former things are passed away.

Note v4. "there shall be no more death".

Now let's see what the prophet Isaiah had to say about
the new heaven and Earth...

Isaiah 65:17-20

17) For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth:
and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into
mind.
18) But be ye glad and rejoice forever in that which I
create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing,
and her people a joy.
19) And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my
people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard
in her, nor the voice of crying.
20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the
child shall die a hundred years old; but the sinner
being a hundred years old shall be accursed.

So here we are. A new heaven and a new Earth. You
claim it is literal, so let's see what happens if we
apply it literally. Well, lookey there! "the child
shall DIE a hundred years old".

So which is it, Scott? Is there no more death? Or
does the child die 100 years old?

Now you go ahead and pretend that you have some
righteous anger going and blast me for saying the Bible
is lying. The REALITY is, that YOU are saying that the
Bible contradicts itself. If these passages are taken
LITERALLY, then the Bible does indeed contradict
itself.

But hey, go ahead and tell everyone else how they don't
understand the Bible and how they don't care about what
the prophets say, etc., while all the while, you're
busy pitting the Bible against itself.

Your ego is about the size of a football stadium and
when you get proven wrong, you then falsely categorize
people into groups that they don't even belong to,
because you THINK that by doing so, you can AVOID the
rebuttal they made.

I am certainly not perfect and have been wrong before.
The difference between you and I though, is that you do
not allow for the possibility that you could be wrong.

I have been a pastor for quite some time now. I am
very intelligent (152 IQ). I am very well studied in
various areas of science, history and of course, the
Bible, which I have been studying, along with the
history, life and times of the people involved, for
over 20 years now, not counting my unfortunate Roman
Catholic days as a kid. But you go ahead and assume
that you are right and I have no idea what the Bible
says. Yea, that makes sense. (:


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Pastor Dave Raymond

Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide

"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99

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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html

I am certainly not perfect and have been wrong before.
The difference between you and I though, is that you do
not allow for the possibility that you could be wrong.