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25 Dec 2004 08:21:46 AM |
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POEM: Was "The Meaning of Hell" |
I didn't see my post propagate on usenet.
This was posted earlier to Uncle Davey:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon"
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,alt.bible
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: THE MEANING OF HELL
"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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3 The ungodly, filled with guilty fears,
Behold his wrath prevailing;
There's a meaning for Hell:
Spending eternity around an angry, veangeful, moody God with "wrath
prevailing".
JHWH needs an anger management class.
The folks who make it to the afterlife spend their days debating whether
they made it to Heaven or Hell.
In woe they rise, but all their tears
And sighs are unavailing:
The day of grace is past and gone:
Trembling they stand before his throne,
All unprepared to meet him.
I wouldn't want to go to such a place, and if you're honest with yourself
for one moment, you wouldn't either.
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
Silly superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
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25 Dec 2004 08:29:44 AM |
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Now that was good.
I left off the last line.
"Sharon" <mail@creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:1103985561.df2c7499e9398aa441b2c819a1dec450@teranews...
I didn't see my post propagate on usenet.
This was posted earlier to Uncle Davey:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon"
Newsgroups: talk.origins,alt.atheism,alt.bible
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: THE MEANING OF HELL
"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
news:cqjmb4$mgi$0@pita.alt.net...
3 The ungodly, filled with guilty fears,
Behold his wrath prevailing;
There's a meaning for Hell:
Spending eternity around an angry, veangeful, moody God with "wrath
prevailing".
JHWH needs an anger management class.
The folks who make it to the afterlife spend their days debating whether
they made it to Heaven or Hell.
In woe they rise, but all their tears
And sighs are unavailing:
The day of grace is past and gone:
Trembling they stand before his throne,
All unprepared to meet him.
I wouldn't want to go to such a place, and if you're honest with yourself
for one moment, you wouldn't either.
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
Silly superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
we simply throw a dollar into the plate.
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25 Dec 2004 12:17:22 PM |
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I changed a couple of the verses:
"Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, invented out of despair."
It reminded me of what I once saw on a movie about apes. The scientist in
the movie said that if you come into contact with the alpha male of a
gorillas or orangutan -- unless you want to get attacked, you should lower
your head and not make eye contact. It's telling the leader "you're under
submission to him".
Bears, [so I've heard told] if you lay on the ground and play dead they're
less likely to maul you.
So too, on the movie "Gandhi", as horses were running toward a crowd of
Indians -- one of them told everyone "Lay down!" so the horses wouldn't
trample them. True enough... the horses did not step on these bowing
indians, despite the men on horseback trying to drive the horses in on the
crowd.
In all three examples above, this resembles the act of one kneeling "in
prayer."
Could this be an example of where prayer evolved from?
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My question is this: There's some things in nature which man simply has no
control over, but that in itself is a frightening reality. It seems too
unbearable to deal with. Did man begin "worship" of animals and eventually
developed a god concept which too, could be bowed to and prayed to, in an
attempt to control the forces of nature? Thinking the force within the
volcano could be reasoned with -- like he would to an ape, that he might be
spared the famines, floods, lightnings and plagues?
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, invented out of despair.
Foolish superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
we simply throw a dollar into the plate.
-12/25/2004
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25 Dec 2004 04:34:21 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail@creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote:
Did man begin "worship" of animals and eventually developed
a god concept which too, could be bowed to and prayed to, in an
attempt to control the forces of nature?
Seems obvious to me.
Most, if not all, religions before classical Greece had animal or
part-animal gods. The best example of this is probably Egypt with its
various animal headed gods such as Anubis, Isis, Horus, etc. Native
American spirits are also largely animal spirits, with the most
respect given to those that could kill a person (bear, wolf, whale,
etc.).
Chris
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25 Dec 2004 01:12:31 PM |
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In all three examples above, this resembles the act of one kneeling "in
prayer."
Could this be an example of where prayer evolved from?
SUBMISSION (a defense mechanism) IN THE ANIMAL WORLD...
The Rolly Polly
Some roll up into a ball when disturbed...
http://scene.asu.edu/habitat/activities/isopod_behavior.html
Isopods are small crustaceans related to lobsters, crabs and crayfish.
Most species of isopods are marine, but some are terrestrial.
Common names for terrestrial isopods are pill bug, rolly polly, potato bug
and sowbug.
.... Gran bent over and picked up a rolly-polly bug. It curled up in a ball
in the palm of her hand. "See, Maggie. It's afraid of me. It rolled up
http://www.electricscotland.com/kids/stories/hatebugs.htm
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'I wonder what else she knows?' 'A Tortoise can't curl himself up' Mother
Jaguar went on, ever so many times ... 'He only draws his head and legs into
his shell. ...
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/people/home/idris/Stories/Kipling_Armadillo.htm
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DNR
.... When threatened, a hognose snake spreads its head and neck, somewhat
like a cobra
would, then rolls over and plays dead if it continues to be disturbed. ...
http://dnr.state.il.us/lands/education/snakes/snakefacts.htm
Eastern Hognose Snake, eNature.com
.... A stout-bodied snake with pointed, slightly upturned snout and wide
neck. ... fails to
discourage a would-be predator, it rolls over and plays dead with mouth ...
http://tinyurl.com/49ber
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But what if a big fish comes after the sea cucumber? Somehow recognizing
that it is a larger fish, the little creature does something very different!
It forces all its intestines out through its mouth! The fish goes after them
and leaves the sea cucumber alone. Then it crawls under a rock and rests
awhile as new intestines grow back.
http://evolution-facts.org/2evlch16.htm
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| User: "none" |
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25 Dec 2004 01:02:37 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:17:22 +0000, Sharon wrote:
[...]
Bears, [so I've heard told] if you lay on the ground and play dead
they're less likely to maul you.
this supposedly depends on the species of bear. some will attack in order
to defend their territory, and are pacified if/when you look "dead
enough"; others, again, will attack mostly because they're hungry and
would just proceed to eat you if you stopped fighting. if you're headed
out into bear country, it would be prudent to find out how your local
species of bruin usually behaves and what kinds of weapons would be smart
to bring along.
not that it matters to your actual point, of course.
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| User: "Sharon" |
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25 Dec 2004 01:50:27 PM |
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"none" <none@no.where> wrote in message
news:99OdnZsTwPMDIFDcRVn-vw@flxtek.net...
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:17:22 +0000, Sharon wrote:
[...]
Bears, [so I've heard told] if you lay on the ground and play dead
they're less likely to maul you.
this supposedly depends on the species of bear. some will attack in order
to defend their territory, and are pacified if/when you look "dead
enough"; others, again, will attack mostly because they're hungry and
would just proceed to eat you if you stopped fighting. if you're headed
out into bear country, it would be prudent to find out how your local
species of bruin usually behaves and what kinds of weapons would be smart
to bring along.
not that it matters to your actual point, of course.
Even in school being taught the tornado drill, we were told to get on our
hands and knees and put our hands over our necks.
But perhaps your point is relevant to mine. It depends on the bear's
momentary temperament and whether or not it's stomach is empty. So they say
if you bow to a bear -- it'll likely leave you alone. What you've said is
that doesn't always work. So the same goes for prayer to God. Why waste time
praying to God, when the god is going to do whatever it feels like anyway?
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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25 Dec 2004 02:03:20 PM |
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In article <1104005347.61b7deb24eb1ee3d8161b5e2fd93df61@teranews>,
"Sharon" <mail@creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote:
"none" <none@no.where> wrote in message
news:99OdnZsTwPMDIFDcRVn-vw@flxtek.net...
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:17:22 +0000, Sharon wrote:
[...]
Bears, [so I've heard told] if you lay on the ground and play dead
they're less likely to maul you.
this supposedly depends on the species of bear. some will attack in order
to defend their territory, and are pacified if/when you look "dead
enough"; others, again, will attack mostly because they're hungry and
would just proceed to eat you if you stopped fighting. if you're headed
out into bear country, it would be prudent to find out how your local
species of bruin usually behaves and what kinds of weapons would be smart
to bring along.
not that it matters to your actual point, of course.
Even in school being taught the tornado drill, we were told to get on our
hands and knees and put our hands over our necks.
But perhaps your point is relevant to mine. It depends on the bear's
momentary temperament and whether or not it's stomach is empty. So they say
if you bow to a bear -- it'll likely leave you alone. What you've said is
that doesn't always work. So the same goes for prayer to God. Why waste time
praying to God, when the god is going to do whatever it feels like anyway?
Which is my point exactly. If God knows exactly what you're going
through, he'll know whether you're truly repentant or not. And if you're
not, he'll know why. And he'll *understand.* :)
This is why, when people ask why I'm an atheist, I say "that's the way
God made me!"
- Felix
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| User: "Sharon" |
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25 Dec 2004 04:09:49 PM |
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"Double Felix" <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote in message
news:nick-F7EF9F.12211225122004@news.west.cox.net...
But perhaps your point is relevant to mine. It depends on the bear's
momentary temperament and whether or not it's stomach is empty. So they
say
if you bow to a bear -- it'll likely leave you alone. What you've said is
that doesn't always work. So the same goes for prayer to God. Why waste
time
praying to God, when the god is going to do whatever it feels like
anyway?
Which is my point exactly. If God knows exactly what you're going
through, he'll know whether you're truly repentant or not. And if you're
not, he'll know why. And he'll *understand.* :)
This is why, when people ask why I'm an atheist, I say "that's the way
God made me!"
(One of my favorite people) Gandhi:
"God is the source of Light and Life and yet He is above and beyond all
these. God is conscience. He is even the atheism of the atheist."
http://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap10.htm
- Felix
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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27 Dec 2004 12:15:12 PM |
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In article <1104013644.04431351692a7538e651fdd8bcf7c6df@teranews>,
"Sharon" <mail@creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote:
"Double Felix" <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote in message
news:nick-F7EF9F.12211225122004@news.west.cox.net...
But perhaps your point is relevant to mine. It depends on the bear's
momentary temperament and whether or not it's stomach is empty. So they
say
if you bow to a bear -- it'll likely leave you alone. What you've said is
that doesn't always work. So the same goes for prayer to God. Why waste
time
praying to God, when the god is going to do whatever it feels like
anyway?
Which is my point exactly. If God knows exactly what you're going
through, he'll know whether you're truly repentant or not. And if you're
not, he'll know why. And he'll *understand.* :)
This is why, when people ask why I'm an atheist, I say "that's the way
God made me!"
(One of my favorite people) Gandhi:
"God is the source of Light and Life and yet He is above and beyond all
these. God is conscience. He is even the atheism of the atheist."
http://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap10.htm
Isn't that the guy who used to drink his own ***** for his "spiritual health?"
;)
- Felix
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| User: "Sharon" |
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27 Dec 2004 12:34:43 PM |
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"Double Felix" <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote in message news:nick-
(One of my favorite people) Gandhi:
"God is the source of Light and Life and yet He is above and beyond all
these. God is conscience. He is even the atheism of the atheist."
http://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap10.htm
Isn't that the guy who used to drink his own ***** for his "spiritual
health?"
;)
Not that I know of. Gandhi was a good man. Pee or not, he made a lot of
sense in a senseless world filled of religious fanatics.
- Felix
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| User: "Double Felix" |
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27 Dec 2004 01:10:22 PM |
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In article <1104173617.b0bec54943ae70d604c02bbf8a70013d@teranews>,
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote:
"Double Felix" <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote in message news:nick-
(One of my favorite people) Gandhi:
"God is the source of Light and Life and yet He is above and beyond all
these. God is conscience. He is even the atheism of the atheist."
http://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap10.htm
Isn't that the guy who used to drink his own ***** for his "spiritual
health?"
;)
Not that I know of. Gandhi was a good man. Pee or not, he made a lot of
sense in a senseless world filled of religious fanatics.
Very true! He was a major influence on my uncle's Quaker friend, Bayard
Rustin. And Bayard brought that inspiration to Martin Luther King, Jr.
Nevertheless, I can't help but think of what Edmund Blackadder told
Baldrick...
"Yes, if this is the same mother who confidently proclaimed that you
were a 'tall, handsome stallion of a man,' I should treat her opinions
with extreme caution." :)
- Felix
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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27 Dec 2004 01:22:53 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC), Double Felix
<nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote:
In article <1104173617.b0bec54943ae70d604c02bbf8a70013d@teranews>,
"Sharon" <mail-@-creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote:
"Double Felix" <nick@SKIPTHESECAPSbackpack.com> wrote in message news:nick-
(One of my favorite people) Gandhi:
"God is the source of Light and Life and yet He is above and beyond all
these. God is conscience. He is even the atheism of the atheist."
http://www.mkgandhi.org/momgandhi/chap10.htm
Isn't that the guy who used to drink his own ***** for his "spiritual
health?"
;)
Not that I know of. Gandhi was a good man. Pee or not, he made a lot of
sense in a senseless world filled of religious fanatics.
Very true! He was a major influence on my uncle's Quaker friend, Bayard
Rustin. And Bayard brought that inspiration to Martin Luther King, Jr.
Nevertheless, I can't help but think of what Edmund Blackadder told
Baldrick...
"Yes, if this is the same mother who confidently proclaimed that you
were a 'tall, handsome stallion of a man,' I should treat her opinions
with extreme caution." :)
If you follow the chain backwards, the young Ghandi was influenced by
Charles Bradlaugh and Annie Besant while he was studying law in
London. He attended Bradlaugh's funeral.
- Felix
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02 Jan 2005 03:13:04 PM |
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In article <1104005347.61b7deb24eb1ee3d8161b5e2fd93df61@teranews>,
"Sharon" <mail@creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote:
"none" <none@no.where> wrote in message
news:99OdnZsTwPMDIFDcRVn-vw@flxtek.net...
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:17:22 +0000, Sharon wrote:
[...]
Bears, [so I've heard told] if you lay on the ground and play dead
they're less likely to maul you.
this supposedly depends on the species of bear. some will attack in order
to defend their territory, and are pacified if/when you look "dead
enough"; others, again, will attack mostly because they're hungry and
would just proceed to eat you if you stopped fighting. if you're headed
out into bear country, it would be prudent to find out how your local
species of bruin usually behaves and what kinds of weapons would be smart
to bring along.
*
I would advise you to bring along a friend. Then, if a bear chases
you, you don't need to outrun the bear. You do need to outrun your
friend.
earle
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25 Dec 2004 04:14:52 PM |
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(human flesh, chicken, turkey, beef...)
1 -2 lbs. coarsely chopped vegetables
(carrots, potatoes, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage...)
Bell pepper
onions
garlic
ginger
salt pepper, etc.
Olive oil
butter
Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil,
place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter.
Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.
Serve with hot dinner rolls, fruit salad and sparkling water.
Bébé Buffet 1
Show off with whole roasted children replete with apples in mouths -
and babies? heads stuffed with wild rice. Or keep it simple with a
hearty main course such as stew, lasagna, or meat loaf.
Some suggestions
Pre-mie pot pies, beef stew, leg of lamb, stuffed chicken, roast pork spiral ham,
Cranberry pineapple salad, sweet potatoes in butter, vegetable platter, tossed salad with tomato and avocado, parsley new potatoes, spinich cucumber salad, fruit salad
Bran muffins, dinner rolls, soft breadsticks, rice pilaf, croissants
Apple cake with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee
The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table.
They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose.
Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from
carrying
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| User: "Sharon" |
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25 Dec 2004 02:46:44 PM |
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place top crust and with a fork, seal the crusts together
then poke holes in top.
Return to oven and bake for 30 minutes, or until pie crust is golden brown.
Sudden Infant Death Soup
SIDS: delicious in winter, comparable to old fashioned Beef and Vegetable Soup.
Its free, you can sell the crib, baby clothes, toys, stroller... and so easy to
procure if such a lucky find is at hand (just pick him up from the crib and
he?s good to go)!
SIDS victim, cleaned
½ cup cooking oil
Carrots
onions
broccoli
whole cabbage
fresh green beans
potato
turnip
celery
tomato
½ stick butter
1 cup cooked pasta (macaroni, shells, etc.)
Remove as much meat as possible, cube, and brown in hot oil.
Add a little water, season, then add the carcass.
Simmer for half an hour keeping the stock thick.
Remove the carcass and add the vegetables slowly to the stock,
so that it remains boiling the whole time.
Cover the pot and simmer till vegetables are tender
(2 hours approximately).
Continue seasoning to taste.
Before serving, add butter and pasta,
serve piping with hot bread and butter.
Offspring Rolls
Similar to Vietnamese style fried rolls, they have lots of meat
(of course this can consist of chicken, beef, pork, or shrimp).
Who can resist this classic appetizer; or light lunch served with
a fresh salad? Versatility is probably this recipe?s greatest virtue,
as one can use the best part of a prime, rare, yearling, or the
morticians occasional horror: a small miracle stopped short by a
drunk driver, or the innocent victim of a drive-by shooting...
2 cups finely chopped very young human flesh
1 cup shredded cabbage
1 cup bean sprouts
5 sprigs green onion, finely chopped
5 cloves minced garlic
4-6 ounces bamboo shoots
Sherry
chicken broth
oil for deep frying (1 gallon)
Salt
pepper
soy & teriyaki
minced ginger, etc.
1 tablespoon cornstarch dissolved in a little cold water
1 egg beaten
Make th
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25 Dec 2004 04:32:39 PM |
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"Sharon" <mail@creation-vs-evolution.us> wrote in message
news:4416121008.08d2eab64da7af4c1418b5b3ae88ab87@teranews...
place top crust and with a fork, seal the crusts together
then poke holes in top.
Return to oven and bake for 30 minutes, or until pie crust is golden
brown.
Sudden Infant Death Soup
Not very appetizing.
But here's one of my favorite recipes!
1 cup peanut butter (Peter Pan now has Honey Roast Peanut Butter) simply
delicious.
½ cup oil
2 tablespoons water
2 eggs
cake mix
chocolate chips.
stir -- and roll into balls and bake five to ten minutes at 350 degrees F
serve.
delicious and easy recipe.
<snipping Geofrey Dahmer>
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25 Dec 2004 03:25:58 PM |
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the beef roast into pieces
that will fit in the grinder.
Run the meat through using a 3/16 grinding plate.
Add garlic, onions and seasoning then mix well.
Add just enough water for a smooth consistency, then mix again.
Form the sausage mixture into patties or stuff into natural casings.
Stillborn Stew
By definition, this meat cannot be had altogether fresh,
but have the lifeless unfortunate available immediately after delivery,
or use high quality beef or pork roasts (it is cheaper and better to
cut up a whole roast than to buy stew meat).
1 stillbirth, de-boned and cubed
¼ cup vegetable oil
2 large onions
bell pepper
celery
garlic
½ cup red wine
3 Irish potatoes
2 large carrots
This is a simple classic stew that makes natural gravy,
thus it does not have to be thickened.
Brown the meat quickly in very hot oil, remove and set aside.
Brown the onions, celery, pepper and garlic.
De-glaze with wine, return meat to the pan and season well.
Stew on low fire adding small amounts of water and
seasoning as necessary.
After at least half an hour, add the carrots and potatoes,
and simmer till root vegetables break with a fork.
Cook a fresh pot of long grained white rice.
Pre-mie Pot Pie
When working with prematurely delivered newborns (or chicken) use sherry;
red wine with beef (buy steak or roast, do not pre-boil).
Pie crust (see index)
Whole fresh pre-mie; eviscerated, head, hands an
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| Title: Re: QUESTION about the evolution of human psychology/religion |
25 Dec 2004 08:58:36 PM |
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Sharon wrote:
I changed a couple of the verses:
"Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, invented out of despair."
It reminded me of what I once saw on a movie about apes. The scientist in
the movie said that if you come into contact with the alpha male of a
gorillas or orangutan -- unless you want to get attacked, you should lower
your head and not make eye contact. It's telling the leader "you're under
submission to him".
Bears, [so I've heard told] if you lay on the ground and play dead they're
less likely to maul you.
So too, on the movie "Gandhi", as horses were running toward a crowd of
Indians -- one of them told everyone "Lay down!" so the horses wouldn't
trample them. True enough... the horses did not step on these bowing
indians, despite the men on horseback trying to drive the horses in on the
crowd.
In all three examples above, this resembles the act of one kneeling "in
prayer."
Could this be an example of where prayer evolved from?
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My question is this: There's some things in nature which man simply has no
control over, but that in itself is a frightening reality. It seems too
unbearable to deal with. Did man begin "worship" of animals and eventually
developed a god concept which too, could be bowed to and prayed to, in an
attempt to control the forces of nature? Thinking the force within the
volcano could be reasoned with -- like he would to an ape, that he might be
spared the famines, floods, lightnings and plagues?
Guess anything was possible for the primitive mind.
Another point is the extremely long period of early man without virtually ny
change or inventive developments. In our society we are used to rapid
changes, in theirs things were virtually the same the day you were borne to
the day you died and this went on for tens of thousands of generations. No
wonder our modern brains still long for a 'leader of the pack' just as they
did then when the leader meant food and relative security.
It needs no stretch of the imagination to accept that many pack leaders
invented gods to bolster their power and influence, especially when it was
beginning to falter.
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, invented out of despair.
Foolish superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
we simply throw a dollar into the plate.
-12/25/2004
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