Religions > Bible > Pope: Religious Symbols Should Be Allowed In Public Places
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12 Dec 2006 07:32:31 PM |
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Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
VATICAN CITY: Religious symbols should be allowed in public places,
Pope Benedict XVI told a group of Italian Catholic legal experts on
Saturday.
"Hostility to all forms of recognition of the political and cultural
importance of religion and in particular the presence of any religious
symbols in public institutions ... is not a sign of healthy secularism,
but the degeneration of secularism," the Pope said.
"The state cannot consider religion to be simply an individual feeling
that can be confined to the private sphere," said the head of the
world's 1.1 billion Catholics.
Religion "should be recognized as a common public presence," and its
symbols should be allowed in offices, schools, courtrooms, hospitals,
prisons and so on, the 79-year-old pontiff added.
"An areligious vision of life, thought and ethics" has led to an
erroneous conception of secularism, "a term that seems to have become
the essential emblem ... of modern democracy," he lamented.
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12 Dec 2006 08:13:59 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope complaining
about?
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Man is a marvelous curiosity, he thinks he is the Creator's pet, he even
believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to
admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays
to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea.
-- Mark Twain
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13 Dec 2006 08:17:28 AM |
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In article <Xns9897B98768ACE255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope complaining
about?
• Anything to draw attention away from the altar-boy scandle is good for
the one true church. What next, His Holiness!!! goes to Disney World?
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| User: "Ben Kaufman" |
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13 Dec 2006 06:02:50 AM |
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On 13 Dec 2006 02:13:59 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope complaining
about?
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native country, Germany,
that did it.
Ben
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| User: "gebobs" |
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13 Dec 2006 08:02:04 AM |
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Ben Kaufman wrote:
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native country, Germany,
that did it.
Touche!
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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13 Dec 2006 08:28:04 AM |
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In article <1166018524.285930.217930@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gebobs" <gebobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ben Kaufman wrote:
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany,
that did it.
Touche!
Reality really sucks.
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| User: "Carl Kaufmann" |
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13 Dec 2006 11:21:40 PM |
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•R L Measures wrote:
In article <1166018524.285930.217930@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gebobs" <gebobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ben Kaufman wrote:
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany,
that did it.
Touche!
Reality really sucks.
It's that well-known liberal bias.
(Thank you Mr. Colbert)
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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14 Dec 2006 06:41:32 AM |
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In article <Bd5gh.33424$1J1.11754@newsfe17.lga>, Carl Kaufmann
<cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
•R L Measures wrote:
In article <1166018524.285930.217930@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gebobs" <gebobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ben Kaufman wrote:
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for
public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany,
that did it.
Touche!
Reality really sucks.
It's that well-known liberal bias.
** Say what?
(Thank you Mr. Colbert)
** who's he?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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15 Dec 2006 10:38:24 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:41:32 -0800, •R L Measures wrote:
In article <Bd5gh.33424$1J1.11754@newsfe17.lga>, Carl Kaufmann
<cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
•R L Measures wrote:
In article <1166018524.285930.217930@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gebobs" <gebobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ben Kaufman wrote:
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for
public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany,
that did it.
Touche!
Reality really sucks.
It's that well-known liberal bias.
** Say what?
(Thank you Mr. Colbert)
** who's he?
Oh you poor, deprived soul...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"The problem with defending the purity of the English language
is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse *****. We don't
just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other
languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their
pockets for new vocabulary." -James D. Nicoll
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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16 Dec 2006 06:06:57 AM |
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In article <-KmdnS-pp-YdUh_YnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@giganews.com>, "Mark K.
Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 04:41:32 -0800, •R L Measures wrote:
In article <Bd5gh.33424$1J1.11754@newsfe17.lga>, Carl Kaufmann
<cwkaufmann@cox.net> wrote:
•R L Measures wrote:
In article <1166018524.285930.217930@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"gebobs" <gebobs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ben Kaufman wrote:
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for
public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany,
that did it.
Touche!
Reality really sucks.
It's that well-known liberal bias.
** Say what?
(Thank you Mr. Colbert)
** who's he?
Oh you poor, deprived soul...
• _____
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13 Dec 2006 08:23:24 AM |
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In article <9mqvn2tvujgusu98cok18ialln0m0hjpab@4ax.com>, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 02:13:59 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope complaining
about?
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for public
display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native country,
Germany,
that did it.
• Good point, Ben.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- - - George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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13 Dec 2006 08:46:12 AM |
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(•R L Measures) wrote in
news:r-1312060623240001@192.168.1.102:
In article <9mqvn2tvujgusu98cok18ialln0m0hjpab@4ax.com>, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 02:13:59 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope
complaining about?
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for
public display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany, that did it.
• Good point, Ben.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- - - George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
"Those who have not learned the lessons of history are destined to relive
it. Must the rest of us relive it, too?"
Petr Beckmann, 1974
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep
under bridges, beg in the streets or steal bread.
- Anatole France (1844-1924)
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13 Dec 2006 09:41:05 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
r@somis.org (=B7R L Measures) wrote in
news:r-1312060623240001@192.168.1.102:
In article <9mqvn2tvujgusu98cok18ialln0m0hjpab@4ax.com>, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 02:13:59 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope
complaining about?
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for
public display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany, that did it.
=B7 Good point, Ben.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- - - George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
"Those who have not learned the lessons of history are destined to relive
it. Must the rest of us relive it, too?"
Petr Beckmann, 1974
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the
country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep
under bridges, beg in the streets or steal bread.
- Anatole France (1844-1924)
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13 Dec 2006 11:34:47 AM |
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In article <Xns989844EBED9D0255229@130.133.1.4>, Enkidu
<ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
r@somis.org (•R L Measures) wrote in
news:r-1312060623240001@192.168.1.102:
In article <9mqvn2tvujgusu98cok18ialln0m0hjpab@4ax.com>, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
On 13 Dec 2006 02:13:59 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope
complaining about?
How can he forget the last time folks adopted a religious symbol for
public display, which is pretty inexcusable because it was his native
country, Germany, that did it.
• Good point, Ben.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "
- - - George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
"Those who have not learned the lessons of history are destined to relive
it. Must the rest of us relive it, too?"
Petr Beckmann, 1974
• Good one. cheers.
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13 Dec 2006 09:50:38 AM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 02:13:59 +0000, Enkidu wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote in
news:1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
I pass several churches every day. The are on public streets. They
display crosses and barnyard scenes. My neighborhood is filled with
Christian Christmas decorations. What the ***** is the Pope complaining
about?
He doesn't rule with impunity the way popes used to?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned
and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and
the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong
its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until
all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic
is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety than ever
before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions
may prove groundless." -Abraham Lincoln
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12 Dec 2006 08:38:27 PM |
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"Sound of a sTrumpet" <> wrote in message
"An areligious vision of life, thought and ethics" has led to an
erroneous conception of secularism, "a term that seems to have become
the essential emblem ... of modern democracy," he lamented.
Benny seems to lament a lot.
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13 Dec 2006 01:23:23 AM |
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In article <1165973551.892585.154240@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
VATICAN CITY: Religious symbols should be allowed in public places,
Pope Benedict XVI told a group of Italian Catholic legal experts on
Saturday.
"Hostility to all forms of recognition of the political and cultural
importance of religion and in particular the presence of any religious
symbols in public institutions ... is not a sign of healthy secularism,
but the degeneration of secularism," the Pope said.
"The state cannot consider religion to be simply an individual feeling
that can be confined to the private sphere," said the head of the
world's 1.1 billion Catholics.
Religion "should be recognized as a common public presence," and its
symbols should be allowed in offices, schools, courtrooms, hospitals,
prisons and so on, the 79-year-old pontiff added.
"An areligious vision of life, thought and ethics" has led to an
erroneous conception of secularism, "a term that seems to have become
the essential emblem ... of modern democracy," he lamented.
I wonder how the Pope would like it if someone tried to erect a 100 ft
high statue of Buddha right in the middle of St. Peter's Square.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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13 Dec 2006 07:32:05 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
VATICAN CITY: Religious symbols should be allowed in public places,
Pope Benedict XVI told a group of Italian Catholic legal experts on
Saturday.
Absolutely! I completely support his right to place religious symbols
in whatever public portions of the Vatican he deems appropriate. Your
point was...?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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13 Dec 2006 11:03:13 PM |
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On 13-Dec-2006, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
VATICAN CITY: Religious symbols should be allowed in public places,
Pope Benedict XVI told a group of Italian Catholic legal experts on
Saturday.
Absolutely! I completely support his right to place religious symbols
in whatever public portions of the Vatican he deems appropriate. Your
point was...?
Hey, I say we take a crescent and star to the Vatican
and hang it up, just for the Pope.
Susan
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14 Dec 2006 05:29:35 PM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 05:03:13 GMT, wrote:
On 13-Dec-2006, raven1 <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
VATICAN CITY: Religious symbols should be allowed in public places,
Pope Benedict XVI told a group of Italian Catholic legal experts on
Saturday.
Absolutely! I completely support his right to place religious symbols
in whatever public portions of the Vatican he deems appropriate. Your
point was...?
Hey, I say we take a crescent and star to the Vatican
and hang it up, just for the Pope.
How about some statues of lions and gladiators?
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Whence then comes evil?
-Epicurus, 3rd c. BCE
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13 Dec 2006 01:22:05 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
VATICAN CITY: Religious symbols should be allowed in public places,
Pope Benedict XVI told a group of Italian Catholic legal experts on
Saturday.
They are in the UK. Today I was 'treated' to the tacky sight of a
massive nativity scene in the middle of the Arndale Centre in
Manchester, complete with a rather frightening plastic Jesus. I don't
really mind all the Santa stuff, and stars are quite pretty, but that
thing was a bloody monstrosity.
Nicola
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13 Dec 2006 12:26:32 PM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@myway.com> wrote:
"The state cannot consider religion to be simply an individual feeling
that can be confined to the private sphere," said the head of the
world's 1.1 billion Catholics.
Maybe in Italy, but in the US the government is *required by law* to
consider religion an individual feeling.
--
rukbat at optonline dot net
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been
witnessed. Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
- Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 11-28-2004
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12 Dec 2006 09:08:31 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
The Pope is an idiot. It is a sad testament to the force of habit that
so many people still find him credible.
--
MarkA
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12 Dec 2006 09:43:16 PM |
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MarkA wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
The Pope is an idiot. It is a sad testament to the force of habit that
so many people still find him credible.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity. Don=E2=80=99t
have to kill a person just smash statues, crucifixes, any kind of
=D7=95=D7=A4=D7=A1=D7=99=D7=9C=D7=99=D7=94=D7=9D Pesalim that God has given=
mankind the knowledge to be
rid of in the Torah.
Exodus 20:1-7
1=2E And God spoke all these words, saying,
2=2E I am the Lord your God, who have brought you out of the land of
Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3=2E You shall have no other gods before me.
4=2E =D7=9C=D7=90 =D7=AA=D7=A2=D7=A9=D7=94 =D7=9C=D7=9A =D7=A4=D7=A1=D7=9C =
YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOU ANY ENGRAVENED
IMAGE, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is
in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
5=2E You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them; for I the
Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate
me;
6=2E And showing mercy to thousands of those who love me, and keep my
commandments.
7=2E You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain; for the
Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
AND IN THE MISHNAH OF DEUTERONOMY: 4:15-21
15. Take therefore good heed to yourselves; for you saw no manner of
form on the day when the Lord spoke to you in Horeb out of the midst of
the fire;
16. Lest you corrupt yourselves, and make you an engraved image, the
form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17. The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any
winged bird that flies in the air,
18. The likeness of any thing that creeps on the ground, the likeness
of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth;
19. And lest you lift up your eyes to the skies, and when you see the
sun, and the moon, and the stars, all the host of the skies, should you
be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the Lord your God has
allotted to all nations under the whole sky.
20. But the Lord has taken you, and brought you out of the iron
furnace, out of Egypt, to be for him a people of inheritance, as you
are this day.
21. And the Lord was angry with me for your sakes, and swore that I
should not go over the Jordan, and that I should not go into that good
land, which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance;
A person can become very strong mentally and physically not only by
work, lifting weights, exercise etc., but by destroy Pesalim.
And also 4:23
23. Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the Lord
your God, which he made with you, and make you an engraved image, or
the likeness of any thing, which the Lord your God has forbidden you.
24. For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
7:5
5=2E But thus shall you deal with them; you shall destroy their altars,
and break down their =D7=95=D7=A4=D7=A1=D7=99=D7=9C=D7=99=D7=94=D7=9D image=
s, and cut down their
Asherim, and burn their carved idols with fire.
6=2E For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God
has chosen you to be a special people to himself, above all peoples
that are upon the face of the earth.
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12 Dec 2006 09:47:29 PM |
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"NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1165981396.193181.107380@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
MarkA wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
The Pope is an idiot. It is a sad testament to the force of habit
that so many people still find him credible.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity. Don’t
[snip stupidity]
The Pope may be an idiot, but he's not the *only* idiot. They are
legion, and you are among them.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
The next time someone tells me that Jesus died for my sins, I'm tempted
to reply, "Oh yeah? Well, Prometheus spent several thousand years
getting his liver ripped out by a vulture just so you could cook your
food -- and HE doesn't threaten to punish you if you don't worship him!"
-- Andrew Lias
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| User: "Peter Barber" |
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12 Dec 2006 10:09:25 PM |
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NefeshBarYochai wrote:
MarkA wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:32:31 -0800, Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1751058/posts
Pope advocates religious symbols in public places
Daily News and Analysis India-AFP
Posted on 12/09/2006 1:32:24 PM PST by fabrizio
The Pope is an idiot. It is a sad testament to the force of habit that
so many people still find him credible.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity. Don=E2=80=
=99t
have to kill a person just smash statues, crucifixes, any kind of
=D7=95=D7=A4=D7=A1=D7=99=D7=9C=D7=99=D7=94=D7=9D Pesalim that God has giv=
en mankind the knowledge to be
rid of in the Torah.
<snip>
Please explain how destruction of the "idolatry of the Catholic Church"
would contribute to world peace, and how any union of Christians,
Muslims and Jews would last, given the history of the last two
millennia.
In fact, you can start by explaining how on Earth you would unite the
three groups to start with. This alone will probably get you
short-listed for the Nobel Peace Prize.
PS. Remember, most of the world's religious don't believe what you do.
Therefore, appeal to the Bible as a factual source will result in an
automatic mark of zero.
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| User: "Surfer" |
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13 Dec 2006 07:50:45 AM |
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On 12 Dec 2006 19:43:16 -0800, "NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity.
I feel it might be more acceptable to promote "multifaith humanism".
This term suggests that all religions have something good in them, but
that none have a monopoly of truth. That in turn suggests that
whenever dogma conflicts with humanism, we should reject dogma in
favor of humanism.
If everyone became a multifaith humanist, then religious symbols might
become a non-issue.
Regards,
Surfer
Pantheistic multifaith humanist
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- "Faith in wilderness, or in nature as a creative force...
- is a philosophy, a faith; it is even, if you like,
- a religion.
- It puts your ultimate trust not in human intelligence,
- but in whatever it is that created
- human intelligence."
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- http://www.pantheist.net
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| User: "•R L Measures" |
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13 Dec 2006 08:27:08 AM |
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In article <j310o25c2akpjnfp0e0gl3hv3tj8i9getm@4ax.com>, Surfer
<surfer@no.spam.net> wrote:
On 12 Dec 2006 19:43:16 -0800, "NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity.
I feel it might be more acceptable to promote "multifaith humanism".
This term suggests that all religions have something good in them, but
that none have a monopoly of truth. That in turn suggests that
whenever dogma conflicts with humanism, we should reject dogma in
favor of humanism.
If everyone became a multifaith humanist, then religious symbols might
become a non-issue.
• When I read the Sermon on the Mount, I get the impression that the
speaker thereof was a humanist.
cheers, S.
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| User: "Azaliah" |
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13 Dec 2006 11:54:18 AM |
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:20:45 +1030, while bungee jumping,
Surfer <surfer@no.spam.net> shouted thusly:
On 12 Dec 2006 19:43:16 -0800, "NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity.
I feel it might be more acceptable to promote "multifaith humanism".
This term suggests that all religions have something good in them, but
that none have a monopoly of truth. That in turn suggests that
whenever dogma conflicts with humanism, we should reject dogma in
favor of humanism.
If everyone became a multifaith humanist, then religious symbols might
become a non-issue.
Regards,
Surfer
Pantheistic multifaith humanist
A self defeating religion. Humanism places man as his own
god. Read John 14:6. Take care.
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
<((>< <((>< <((><
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
- John 17:17
..
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| User: "DarkAngel" |
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| Title: Re: Pope: Religious Symbols Should Be Allowed In Public Places |
13 Dec 2006 12:19:21 PM |
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Azaliah wrote:
Humanism places man as his own god. Read John 14:6.
How about Genesis 1:27?
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No Gods. No Masters.
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| User: "MarkA" |
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13 Dec 2006 10:15:42 PM |
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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 09:54:18 -0800, Azaliah wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 00:20:45 +1030, while bungee jumping, Surfer
<surfer@no.spam.net> shouted thusly:
On 12 Dec 2006 19:43:16 -0800, "NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We've been saying this for centuries;
That the Christians, Muslims, and Jews were to unite and destroy the
idolatry of the Catholic Church there would be a great tranquility of
peace that would or will descend from heaven on to humanity.
I feel it might be more acceptable to promote "multifaith humanism".
This term suggests that all religions have something good in them, but
that none have a monopoly of truth. That in turn suggests that whenever
dogma conflicts with humanism, we should reject dogma in favor of
humanism.
If everyone became a multifaith humanist, then religious symbols might
become a non-issue.
Regards,
Surfer
Pantheistic multifaith humanist
A self defeating religion. Humanism places man as his own god. Read John
14:6. Take care.
At least it's a god who is accountable for his actions.
--
MarkA
(this space accidentally filled in)
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