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Pornography's Impact on Married Love
Homiletic & Pastoral Review (via Catholic Culture) ^ | June 2007 |
John Buri
Posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:00 AM PDT by markomalley
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
by John Buri, Ph.D.
Most Catholic men know it is wrong. Deep down, they know that when
they use pornography, they are yielding to their lustful desires and
they are sliding into sin. But many of these men, even some of the
most well-intentioned of them, have managed to convince themselves
that if there is any harm in the use of pornography, that harm is
minimal and that it is, at most, only harming themselves. Because the
use of pornography is so often a hidden behavior, they tend to think
of it as an individual sin, one that is private and whose consequences
are personal. But the fact of the matter is that participating in
pornography is anything but private and personal. Even if done alone,
it is a communal sin, and worse yet, it is a sin against the most
intimate of communal partners - one's spouse.
A good example of the communal nature of this sin can be captured in
the marriage of a close friend of mine. Todd had dated many women as a
young man and when he was 24 he began to date the love of his life. He
and that woman who had captured his heart, Kristi, have now been
married for almost 18 years.
One night as Todd and I were talking, I commented to him how impressed
I was that he and Kristi had remained so close over all these years. I
told him that I was especially impressed by the fact that he still
admired Kristi physically. Whether I saw the two of them together or
whether Todd was simply talking about Kristi when she wasn't there, it
was obvious that she was still "very hot" in his eyes.
I was taken aback by Todd's response. The first thing he said was (and
this part wasn't all that surprising): "I think we had better grab a
couple more beers before we start talking about this one." At that
point Todd proceeded to tell me the story behind the fact that he
really did find his wife very attractive.
"About 10 years ago I was on a family vacation with Kristi and our
children and a song came on the radio. The words of the song went
something like this: "Yes, my darling, you look wonderful tonight."
And as I looked over at Kristi, I realized that I would have a
difficult time singing these words to her - this woman who had been so
beautiful, so alluring, had now become physically boring and
unattractive."
At this point, Todd stopped to gather himself. It was clear that this
was not an easy thing for him to talk about. He proceeded to tell me
how after that day in the car, he began to think seriously about why
he no longer found Kristi as beautiful as he once did. Had she really
changed all that much? And he had to admit to himself that, no, she
was still a very attractive woman.
The marital ravages of pornography
I will never forget what Todd told me next. He said, "John, when I was
a young man, I had dabbled in some pornography, but I stopped when I
started dating Kristi - she didn't like it, and besides, I didn't need
it. But after we had been married a few years, I ended up going back
to the pornography.
"It started one night when I was up late working on the computer and I
stumbled across a website. Well, to make a long story short, I started
to use pornography more and more often. I guess deep down I knew it
wasn't right, but I kept telling myself that it wasn't hurting anyone,
at least no one but maybe me.
"And then it happened. One night a couple weeks after our family
vacation, Kristi found me at the computer with the pornography. To say
she was upset would be putting it mildly - let's just say we did not
sleep in the same room for several nights . . . Kristi informed me
that I could sleep with my computer! Well, I had a lot of time to
reflect on what was happening to my marriage. I started to think
seriously about how the love, respect, and desire I had felt for
Kristi was slipping away."
Pornography and married love: What the research has to say
Todd and I talked for a long time that night, and as we talked, I made
it clear to him that what had happened to his affection for Kristi was
not unusual or surprising - it's going to happen in those marriages
where men use pornography. What Todd was finding out the hard way
(through personal experience) has been verified in numerous research
studies - when men expose themselves to physically attractive
pornographic women, they begin to find their partners less beautiful
and they slowly become less satisfied with them.
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.1
Subsequent investigations of this contrast effect have used pictures
of physically attractive women as well as popular erotica. Researchers
have found that after repeated exposure to such materials: men judged
their wives as less satisfying, they reported that they felt less love
for their wives, they rated their partners as having less sexual
appeal, they reported lower commitment to their wives, and they judged
their partners as less attractive and less desirable.2
A vocation to love
Todd told me that he struggled for some time with the reality of what
pornography was doing to his marriage. As he put it: "I thought about
it a lot. I obviously knew that Kristi didn't like it, but more
importantly, I slowly came to realize that it was sucking the life
(and the love) out of our marriage. I knew I needed to give it up, but
whenever I tried, I found that it had more of a hold on me than I
thought.
"But I knew what I needed to do and I was determined to do it. I ended
up going to confession and the priest was so understanding and
supportive that I ended up seeing him on a regular basis. As it turns
out, his ongoing direction and encouragement were invaluable. At his
suggestion, I placed a copy of the Memorare up in the corner of the
computer screen. I began to pray and to fast that I could give up the
pornography, and more regularly than ever before I began to
participate in the sacrament of reconciliation and to receive the
Eucharist (several times a week). And, you know, I haven't used
pornography now for over five years. It took a while, but that
affection for Kristi slowly returned and now it is better than ever.
She is one beautiful and sexy woman. She's the only one I need and
she's the only one I want."
A trespass against love
A few years ago I was giving a talk in a parish in Minneapolis and
during the talk a woman in the audience asked a very personal
question. She said: "My husband uses pornography on a regular basis
and over the past couple of years he has started to criticize my
appearance and he has become more and more dissatisfied with our sex
life. Is it possible that these things are related to his use of
pornography?"
As this woman spoke, two things occurred to me. First, it was obvious
that there was nothing wrong with her appearance - by any objective
standard, she was an attractive woman. Secondly, I was struck by the
fact that she must have been quite desperate; after all, she had asked
such a personal question in a large room full of people.
And as I walked away that night, I found myself reflecting on the
reality of pornography. I thought about its trespass against the sixth
commandment, but even more, I thought about its trespass against love.
The promise that was given on the wedding day - "I will love you and
honor you all the days of my life" - is betrayed every time
pornography is entertained by a married man or a married woman. It is
anything but an individual sin, and its consequences are anything but
private. Is it any wonder that marriage and family counselors are more
and more frequently finding themselves working with marriages that
have been riddled by the use of pornography?
End notes
Kenrick, D. T., & Gutierres, S. E. (1980). Contrast effects and
judgments of physical attractiveness: When beauty becomes a social
problem. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 38, 131-140.
Melamed, L., & Moss, M. K. (1975). The effect of context on ratings of
attractiveness of photographs. Journal of Psychology, 90, 129-136.
Bergner, R. M., & Bridges, A. J. (2002). The significance of heavy
pornography involvement for romantic partners: Research and clinical
implications. Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 28, 193-206.
Gutierres, S. E., Kenrick, D. T., & Partch, J. J. (1999). Beauty,
dominance, and the mating game: Contrast effects in self-assessment
reflect gender differences. Personality and Social Psychology
Bulletin, 25, 1126-1134.
Kenrick, D. T., Gutierres, S. E., & Goldberg, L. L. (1989). Influence
of popular erotica on judgments of strangers and mates. Journal of
Experimental Social Psychology, 25, 159-167.
Kenrick, D. T., Neuberg, S. L., Zierk, K. L., & Krones, J. M. (1994).
Evolution and social cognition: Contrast effects as a function of sex,
dominance, and physical attractiveness. Personality and Social
Psychology Bulletin, 20, 210-217.
Malamuth, N. M. (1984). Aggression against women: Cultural and
individual causes. In N. M. Malamuth & E. Donnerstein (Eds.),
Pornography and sexual aggression (pp. 19-52). Orlando, FL: Academic
Press.
Schneider, J. P. (2000). Effects of cybersex addiction on the family.
Sexual Addiction and Compulsivity, 7, 31-58.
Weaver, J. B., Masland, J. L., & Zillman, D. (1984). Effect of erotica
on young men's aesthetic perception of their female sexual partners.
Perceptual and Motor Skills, 58, 929-930.
Zillman, D., & Bryant, J. (1988). Effects of prolonged consumption of
pornography on family values. Journal of Family Issues, 9, 518-544.
Zillman, D., & Bryant, J. (1988). Pornography's impact on sexual
satisfaction. Journal of Applied Social Psychology, 18, 438-453.
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Dr. John Buri is a professor at the University of St. Thomas in Saint
Paul, Minnesota, where he has been teaching in the Psychology
Department for over 30 years. For the past several years, Dr. Buri has
been active in archdiocesan marriage preparation in the Twin Cities.
Portions of this article have come from his recently published book
How To Love Your Wife. Dr. Buri has been married for 34 years and he
and his wife have six children.
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John Buri
Posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:00 AM PDT by markomalley
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
by John Buri, Ph.D.
Most Catholic men know it is wrong. Deep down, they know that when
they use pornography, they are yielding to their lustful desires and
they are sliding into sin.
Then they should just throw away their bibles if they don't like it.
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Homiletic & Pastoral Review (via Catholic Culture) ^ | June 2007 |
John Buri
Posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:00 AM PDT by markomalley
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
by John Buri, Ph.D.
Most Catholic men know it is wrong. Deep down, they know that when
they use pornography, they are yielding to their lustful desires and
they are sliding into sin.
Then they should just throw away their bibles if they don't like it.
--
Denis Loubet
dlou...@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet- Hide quoted text -
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Song of Solomon, Bible versus to wank by
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Posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:00 AM PDT by markomalley
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
by John Buri, Ph.D.
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Do you really believe in the crap that you post or do you just try to gouge
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Pornography's Impact on Married Love
Homiletic & Pastoral Review (via Catholic Culture) ^ | June 2007 |
John Buri
Posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:00 AM PDT by markomalley
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
by John Buri, Ph.D.
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Do you really believe in the crap that you post or do you just try to gouge
people's reactions?
I wonder if the person who posted this was a man or a woman.
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www.tawny-kitaen.com
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Don't get married in the first place - lol For Chist's sake (duh), marriage
so 1st century anyway ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
These idiot's need to head back to the caves or understand reality for *****'s
sake...
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
"Married Love" you say? Yes I'm sure Anna Nicole Smith who "married love" was
quite worried about the "Pornography" problem even though she WAS the porn
herself -rofl...
by John Buri, Ph.D.
Most Catholic men know it is wrong. Deep down, they know that when
they use pornography, they are yielding to their lustful desires and
they are sliding into sin. But many of these men, even some of the
most well-intentioned of them, have managed to convince themselves
that if there is any harm in the use of pornography, that harm is
minimal and that it is, at most, only harming themselves. Because the
use of pornography is so often a hidden behavior, they tend to think
of it as an individual sin, one that is private and whose consequences
are personal. But the fact of the matter is that participating in
pornography is anything but private and personal. Even if done alone,
it is a communal sin, and worse yet, it is a sin against the most
intimate of communal partners - one's spouse.
A good example of the communal nature of this sin can be captured in
the marriage of a close friend of mine. Todd had dated many women as a
young man and when he was 24 he began to date the love of his life. He
and that woman who had captured his heart, Kristi, have now been
married for almost 18 years.
One night as Todd and I were talking, I commented to him how impressed
I was that he and Kristi had remained so close over all these years. I
told him that I was especially impressed by the fact that he still
admired Kristi physically. Whether I saw the two of them together or
whether Todd was simply talking about Kristi when she wasn't there, it
was obvious that she was still "very hot" in his eyes.
I was taken aback by Todd's response. The first thing he said was (and
this part wasn't all that surprising): "I think we had better grab a
couple more beers before we start talking about this one." At that
point Todd proceeded to tell me the story behind the fact that he
really did find his wife very attractive.
"About 10 years ago I was on a family vacation with Kristi and our
children and a song came on the radio. The words of the song went
something like this: "Yes, my darling, you look wonderful tonight."
And as I looked over at Kristi, I realized that I would have a
difficult time singing these words to her - this woman who had been so
beautiful, so alluring, had now become physically boring and
unattractive."
At this point, Todd stopped to gather himself. It was clear that this
was not an easy thing for him to talk about. He proceeded to tell me
how after that day in the car, he began to think seriously about why
he no longer found Kristi as beautiful as he once did. Had she really
changed all that much? And he had to admit to himself that, no, she
was still a very attractive woman.
The marital ravages of pornography
I will never forget what Todd told me next. He said, "John, when I was
a young man, I had dabbled in some pornography, but I stopped when I
started dating Kristi - she didn't like it, and besides, I didn't need
it. But after we had been married a few years, I ended up going back
to the pornography.
"It started one night when I was up late working on the computer and I
stumbled across a website. Well, to make a long story short, I started
to use pornography more and more often. I guess deep down I knew it
wasn't right, but I kept telling myself that it wasn't hurting anyone,
at least no one but maybe me.
"And then it happened. One night a couple weeks after our family
vacation, Kristi found me at the computer with the pornography. To say
she was upset would be putting it mildly - let's just say we did not
sleep in the same room for several nights . . . Kristi informed me
that I could sleep with my computer! Well, I had a lot of time to
reflect on what was happening to my marriage. I started to think
seriously about how the love, respect, and desire I had felt for
Kristi was slipping away."
Pornography and married love: What the research has to say
Todd and I talked for a long time that night, and as we talked, I made
it clear to him that what had happened to his affection for Kristi was
not unusual or surprising - it's going to happen in those marriages
where men use pornography. What Todd was finding out the hard way
(through personal experience) has been verified in numerous research
studies - when men expose themselves to physically attractive
pornographic women, they begin to find their partners less beautiful
and they slowly become less satisfied with them.
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.1
Subsequent investigations of this contrast effect have used pictures
of physically attractive women as well as popular erotica. Researchers
have found that after repeated exposure to such materials: men judged
their wives as less satisfying, they reported that they felt less love
for their wives, they rated their partners as having less sexual
appeal, they reported lower commitment to their wives, and they judged
their partners as less attractive and less desirable.2
A vocation to love
Todd told me that he struggled for some time with the reality of what
pornography was doing to his marriage. As he put it: "I thought about
it a lot. I obviously knew that Kristi didn't like it, but more
importantly, I slowly came to realize that it was sucking the life
(and the love) out of our marriage. I knew I needed to give it up, but
whenever I tried, I found that it had more of a hold on me than I
thought.
"But I knew what I needed to do and I was determined to do it. I ended
up going to confession and the priest was so understanding and
supportive that I ended up seeing him on a regular basis. As it turns
out, his ongoing direction and encouragement were invaluable. At his
suggestion, I placed a copy of the Memorare up in the corner of the
computer screen. I began to pray and to fast that I could give up the
pornography, and more regularly than ever before I began to
participate in the sacrament of reconciliation and to receive the
Eucharist (several times a week). And, you know, I haven't used
pornography now for over five years. It took a while, but that
affection for Kristi slowly returned and now it is better than ever.
She is one beautiful and sexy woman. She's the only one I need and
she's the only one I want."
A trespass against love
A few years ago I was giving a talk in a parish in Minneapolis and
during the talk a woman in the audience asked a very personal
question. She said: "My husband uses pornography on a regular basis
and over the past couple of years he has started to criticize my
appearance and he has become more and more dissatisfied with our sex
life. Is it possible that these things are related to his use of
pornography?"
As this woman spoke, two things occurred to me. First, it was obvious
that there was nothing wrong with her appearance - by any objective
standard, she was an attractive woman. Secondly, I was struck by the
fact that she must have been quite desperate; after all, she had asked
such a personal question in a large room full of people.
And as I walked away that night, I found myself reflecting on the
reality of pornography. I thought about its trespass against the sixth
commandment, but even more, I thought about its trespass against love.
The promise that was given on the wedding day - "I will love you and
honor you all the days of my life" - is betrayed every time
pornography is entertained by a married man or a married woman. It is
anything but an individual sin, and its consequences are anything but
private. Is it any wonder that marriage and family counselors are more
and more frequently finding themselves working with marriages that
have been riddled by the use of pornography?
End notes
Kenrick, D. T., & Gutierres, S. E. (1980). Contrast effects and
judgments of physical attractiveness: When beauty becomes a social
problem. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 38, 131-140.
Melamed, L., & Moss, M. K. (1975). The effect of context on ratings of
attractiveness of photographs. Journal of Psychology, 90, 129-136.
Bergner, R. M., & Bridges, A. J. (2002). The significance of heavy
pornography involvement for romantic partners: Research and clinical
implications. Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 28, 193-206.
Gutierres, S. E., Kenrick, D. T., & Partch, J. J. (1999). Beauty,
dominance, and the mating game: Contrast effects in self-assessment
reflect gender differences. Personality and Social Psychology
Bulletin, 25, 1126-1134.
Kenrick, D. T., Gutierres, S. E., & Goldberg, L. L. (1989). Influence
of popular erotica on judgments of strangers and mates. Journal of
Experimental Social Psychology, 25, 159-167.
Kenrick, D. T., Neuberg, S. L., Zierk, K. L., & Krones, J. M. (1994).
Evolution and social cognition: Contrast effects as a function of sex,
dominance, and physical attractiveness. Personality and Social
Psychology Bulletin, 20, 210-217.
Malamuth, N. M. (1984). Aggression against women: Cultural and
individual causes. In N. M. Malamuth & E. Donnerstein (Eds.),
Pornography and sexual aggression (pp. 19-52). Orlando, FL: Academic
Press.
Schneider, J. P. (2000). Effects of cybersex addiction on the family.
Sexual Addiction and Compulsivity, 7, 31-58.
Weaver, J. B., Masland, J. L., & Zillman, D. (1984). Effect of erotica
on young men's aesthetic perception of their female sexual partners.
Perceptual and Motor Skills, 58, 929-930.
Zillman, D., & Bryant, J. (1988). Effects of prolonged consumption of
pornography on family values. Journal of Family Issues, 9, 518-544.
Zillman, D., & Bryant, J. (1988). Pornography's impact on sexual
satisfaction. Journal of Applied Social Psychology, 18, 438-453.
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Dr. John Buri is a professor at the University of St. Thomas in Saint
Paul, Minnesota, where he has been teaching in the Psychology
Department for over 30 years. For the past several years, Dr. Buri has
been active in archdiocesan marriage preparation in the Twin Cities.
Portions of this article have come from his recently published book
How To Love Your Wife. Dr. Buri has been married for 34 years and he
and his wife have six children.
--
I'm a compASSionate CUNTservative neoCONdescender with
a twist of blASSphemy thrown in for truth :)))
BTW...***** the jesus myth
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On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
Homiletic & Pastoral Review (via Catholic Culture) ^ | June 2007 |
John Buri
Posted on 07/10/2007 5:45:00 AM PDT by markomalley
Pornography's Impact on Married Love
by John Buri, Ph.D.
Most Catholic men know it is wrong. Deep down, they know that when
they use pornography, they are yielding to their lustful desires and
they are sliding into sin.
Is this because they are born knowing it? Or God has a special way of
letting Catholic Men know when they are sliding into sin? Do they
have to be up to date on the sacraments to know this deep inside?
But many of these men, even some of the
most well-intentioned of them, have managed to convince themselves
that if there is any harm in the use of pornography, that harm is
minimal and that it is, at most, only harming themselves. Because the
use of pornography is so often
one of your
a hidden behaviorz,
You tend to think
of it as an individual sin, one that is private and whose consequences
are personal. But the fact of the matter is that participating in
pornography is anything but private and personal.
Write on, Mr. Exhibitionist!
Even if done alone,
it is a communal sin, and worse yet, it is a sin against the most
intimate of communal partners - one's spouse.
A good example of the communal nature of this sin can be captured in
the marriage of a close friend of mine.
Given your assumptions, Todd really shouldn't be talking about sex to
you. Unless you're gay.
Todd had dated many women as a
young man and when he was 24 he began to date the love of his life. He
and that woman who had captured his heart, Kristi, have now been
married for almost 18 years.
you using their real names? or you just flat out making this up?
One night as Todd and I were talking, I commented to him how impressed
I was that he and Kristi had remained so close over all these years. I
told him that I was especially impressed by the fact that he still
admired Kristi physically. Whether I saw the two of them together or
whether Todd was simply talking about Kristi when she wasn't there, it
was obvious that she was still "very hot" in his eyes.
the whole visualizing todd's wife as a hottie seems very non religious
but i was brought up protestant - we don't do that kind of *****
I was taken aback by Todd's response. The first thing he said was (and
this part wasn't all that surprising): "I think we had better grab a
couple more beers before we start talking about this one." At that
point Todd proceeded to tell me the story behind the fact that he
really did find his wife very attractive.
"About 10 years ago I was on a family vacation with Kristi and our
children and a song came on the radio. The words of the song went
something like this: "Yes, my darling, you look wonderful tonight."
that would be Clapton. where do you draw the line between porn and
rock and roll? just curious.
And as I looked over at Kristi, I realized that I would have a
difficult time singing these words to her - this woman who had been so
beautiful, so alluring, had now become physically boring and
unattractive."
At this point, Todd stopped to gather himself. It was clear that this
was not an easy thing for him to talk about. He proceeded to tell me
how after that day in the car, he began to think seriously about why
he no longer found Kristi as beautiful as he once did. Had she really
changed all that much? And he had to admit to himself that, no, she
was still a very attractive woman.
what does the car trip and the song have to do with it?
The marital ravages of pornography
I will never forget what Todd told me next. He said, "John, when I was
a young man, I had dabbled in some pornography, but I stopped when I
started dating Kristi - she didn't like it, and besides, I didn't need
it. But after we had been married a few years, I ended up going back
to the pornography.
"It started one night when I was up late working on the computer and I
stumbled across a website. Well, to make a long story short, I started
to use pornography more and more often. I guess deep down I knew it
wasn't right, but I kept telling myself that it wasn't hurting anyone,
at least no one but maybe me.
"And then it happened. One night a couple weeks after our family
vacation, Kristi found me at the computer with the pornography. To say
she was upset would be putting it mildly - let's just say we did not
sleep in the same room for several nights . . . Kristi informed me
that I could sleep with my computer! Well, I had a lot of time to
reflect on what was happening to my marriage. I started to think
seriously about how the love, respect, and desire I had felt for
Kristi was slipping away."
what idiots
at least they stopped reproducing for a period of time
Pornography and married love: What the research has to say
Todd and I talked for a long time that night, and as we talked, I made
it clear to him that what had happened to his affection for Kristi was
not unusual or surprising - it's going to happen in those marriages
where men use pornography. What Todd was finding out the hard way
(through personal experience) has been verified in numerous research
studies - when men expose themselves to physically attractive
pornographic women, they begin to find their partners less beautiful
and they slowly become less satisfied with them.
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.1
Subsequent investigations of this contrast effect have used pictures
of physically attractive women as well as popular erotica. Researchers
have found that after repeated exposure to such materials: men judged
their wives as less satisfying, they reported that they felt less love
for their wives, they rated their partners as having less sexual
appeal, they reported lower commitment to their wives, and they judged
their partners as less attractive and less desirable.2
A vocation to love
Todd told me that he struggled for some time with the reality of what
pornography was doing to his marriage. As he put it: "I thought about
it a lot. I obviously knew that Kristi didn't like it, but more
importantly, I slowly came to realize that it was sucking the life
(and the love) out of our marriage. I knew I needed to give it up, but
whenever I tried, I found that it had more of a hold on me than I
thought.
"But I knew what I needed to do and I was determined to do it. I ended
up going to confession and the priest was so understanding and
supportive that I ended up seeing him on a regular basis. As it turns
out, his ongoing direction and encouragement were invaluable. At his
suggestion, I placed a copy of the Memorare up in the corner of the
computer screen. I began to pray and to fast that I could give up the
pornography, and more regularly than ever before I began to
participate in the sacrament of reconciliation and to receive the
Eucharist (several times a week). And, you know, I haven't used
pornography now for over five years. It took a while, but that
affection for Kristi slowly returned and now it is better than ever.
She is one beautiful and sexy woman. She's the only one I need and
she's the only one I want."
A trespass against love
A few years ago I was giving a talk in a parish in Minneapolis and
during the talk a woman in the audience asked a very personal
question. She said: "My husband uses pornography on a regular basis
and over the past couple of years he has started to criticize my
appearance and he has become more and more dissatisfied with our sex
life. Is it possible that these things are related to his use of
pornography?"
As this woman spoke, two things occurred to me. First, it was obvious
that there was nothing wrong with her appearance - by any objective
standard, she was an attractive woman. Secondly, I was struck by the
fact that she must have been quite desperate; after all, she had asked
such a personal question in a large room full of people.
And as I walked away that night, I found myself reflecting on the
reality of pornography. I thought about its trespass against the sixth
commandment, but even more, I thought about its trespass against love.
The promise that was given on the wedding day - "I will love you and
honor you all the days of my life" - is betrayed every time
pornography is entertained by a married man or a married woman. It is
anything but an individual sin, and its consequences are anything but
private. Is it any wonder that marriage and family counselors are more
and more frequently finding themselves working with marriages that
have been riddled by the use of pornography?
End notes
Kenrick, D. T., & Gutierres, S. E. (1980). Contrast effects and
judgments of physical attractiveness: When beauty becomes a social
problem. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 38, 131-140.
Melamed, L., & Moss, M. K. (1975). The effect of context on ratings of
attractiveness of photographs. Journal of Psychology, 90, 129-136.
Bergner, R. M., & Bridges, A. J. (2002). The significance of heavy
pornography involvement for romantic partners: Research and clinical
implications. Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy, 28, 193-206.
Gutierres, S. E., Kenrick, D. T., & Partch, J. J. (1999). Beauty,
dominance, and the mating game: Contrast effects in self-assessment
reflect gender differences. Personality and Social Psychology
Bulletin, 25, 1126-1134.
Kenrick, D. T., Gutierres, S. E., & Goldberg, L. L. (1989). Influence
of popular erotica on judgments of strangers and mates. Journal of
Experimental Social Psychology, 25, 159-167.
Kenrick, D. T., Neuberg, S. L., Zierk, K. L., & Krones, J. M. (1994).
Evolution and social cognition: Contrast effects as a function of sex,
dominance, and physical attractiveness. Personality and Social
Psychology Bulletin, 20, 210-217.
Malamuth, N. M. (1984). Aggression against women: Cultural and
individual causes. In N. M. Malamuth & E. Donnerstein (Eds.),
Pornography and sexual aggression (pp. 19-52). Orlando, FL: Academic
Press.
Schneider, J. P. (2000). Effects of cybersex addiction on the family.
Sexual Addiction and Compulsivity, 7, 31-58.
Weaver, J. B., Masland, J. L., & Zillman, D. (1984). Effect of erotica
on young men's aesthetic perception of their female sexual partners....
read more =BB
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11 Jul 2007 05:57:39 AM |
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On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style burkhas on *all*
women, not just banning pornography. After all, a man can see a
beautiful woman anywhere. On a billboard, on a TV show, in a movie, on a
city street... we better ban all display of the female form, just in
case a man sees a woman more beautiful than his wife.
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11 Jul 2007 10:08:07 AM |
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On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style burkhas on *all*
women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive. Porn has become a form of free speech and while men are
able to decide for themselves what is good for them, so are women.
Women don't have to babysit you boys in making their own choices.
After all, a man can see a> beautiful woman anywhere. On a billboard,
on a TV show, in a movie, on a city street... we better ban all
display of the female form, just in> case a man sees a woman more
beautiful than his wife.
Again, it isn't up to women to keep men tied and true; that is
totally up to each man. He must follow his own moral code, and any
woman married to a pornmeister must follow hers. It has been my
observation that when men play, so do their wives...at least here in
the west.
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11 Jul 2007 06:30:56 PM |
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In article <1184166487.070367.91170@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RHVwculz?=" |
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12 Jul 2007 12:56:41 AM |
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On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.
Exactly. Even if the chicks aren't in the porn, they still exist.
Sure, only some dudes'll see em and have their marriage fantasy deal
fall apart - but aren't we all brothers? Those guys shouldn't have to
shoulder on alone.
We all need to see the beautiful naked ladies, be in this together.
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11 Jul 2007 09:10:15 PM |
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On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does. Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's
choices; all women need to do is to make better choices in men. If
women are seeing pornmeisters, they can stop seeing them. If they are
married to pornmeisters they can divorce them.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.-
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it. If
women start divorcing pornmeisters men will learn not to become
pornmeisters. It's just that simple. If men want to jack off to
porn rather than to pair bond and have families, they can do that.
It's like Dolly said, "Walter, you can always cuddle up to your cash
register; it's a little lumpy ....but it rings!". :-)
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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11 Jul 2007 09:39:17 PM |
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In article <1184206215.325916.258910@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s,
and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures
and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed
"the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does.
Nope, not in the slightest.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's
choices;
Which is not something I was arguing. I said the original article's
logic, taken to its ultimate conclusion would call for that.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who uses the term
"pornmeister" as a legitimate part of his/her vocabulary.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.-
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO
ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on the spurious logic of the original
article. You seem to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing-- namely how women can
best avoid the heartbreak of pornography.
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| User: "Hyerdahl" |
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| Title: Re: Pornography's Devastating Impact On Married Love |
12 Jul 2007 08:28:02 PM |
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On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184206215.325916.258...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s,
and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures
and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed
"the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does.
Nope, not in the slightest.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's
choices;
Which is not something I was arguing. I said the original article's
logic, taken to its ultimate conclusion would call for that.
You cannot "call" for something over which you have no rights
tho....that would just be seen as an attempt to control women in order
that men not be aroused. No one in the west would buy that snake oil.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who uses the term
"pornmeister" as a legitimate part of his/her vocabulary.
Not my problem.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.-
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO> ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on the spurious logic of the original
article. You seem to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing-- namely how women can
best avoid the heartbreak of pornography
What heartbreak? All women need to do is to dress as they please and
say no to pornmeisters. Voila: No heartbreak!
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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13 Jul 2007 05:29:48 AM |
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In article <1184290082.542833.24890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184206215.325916.258...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late
1970s,
and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown
pictures
and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was
that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was
termed
"the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women
will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more
negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does.
Nope, not in the slightest.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's
choices;
Which is not something I was arguing. I said the original article's
logic, taken to its ultimate conclusion would call for that.
You cannot "call" for something over which you have no rights
tho....that would just be seen as an attempt to control women in order
that men not be aroused. No one in the west would buy that snake oil.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who uses the term
"pornmeister" as a legitimate part of his/her vocabulary.
Not my problem.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.-
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO>
ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on the spurious logic of the original
article. You seem to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing-- namely how women can
best avoid the heartbreak of pornography
What heartbreak? All women need to do is to dress as they please and
say no to pornmeisters. Voila: No heartbreak!
Wow. So proud of yourself that you felt the need to respond to the same
post twice?
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13 Jul 2007 09:37:30 AM |
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On Jul 13, 3:29 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184290082.542833.24...@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
(edit)
What heartbreak? All women need to do is to dress as they please and
say no to pornmeisters. Voila: No heartbreak!
Wow. So proud of yourself that you felt the need to respond to the same
post twice?-
It's not really a matter of "pride"; it's a matter of point. :-)
BTW, have you seen any female dogs chasing Rover into that lake? :-)
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13 Jul 2007 12:54:39 AM |
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On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
What heartbreak? All women need to do is to dress as they please and
say no to pornmeisters. Voila: No heartbreak!
Nah hyerdahl, women who dress "as they please" always end up
attracting unwanted attentions from male predators in predation nation
US and A.
Those gals who tone down their sexuality in order to reduce the
possibility of unwanted attention from throbbing cocks are wise gals.
See hyerdahl, if I had a ***** N two bumps I'd be shooving them in
men's faces 24/7/365... but after I'd "met the meat" I'd choose
otherwise.
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13 Jul 2007 09:25:58 AM |
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On Jul 12, 10:54 pm, "conno...@hotmail.com" <conno...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:28 am, Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
What heartbreak? All women need to do is to dress as they please and
say no to pornmeisters. Voila: No heartbreak!
Nah hyerdahl, women who dress "as they please" always end up
attracting unwanted attentions from male predators in predation nation
US and A.
Women have law and guns, con. Thus rapists actions are addressed no
matter how women dress.
Those gals who tone down their sexuality in order to reduce the
possibility of unwanted attention from throbbing cocks are wise gals.
Perhaps, but there's more than one way to skin a sexist, con. Women
can indeed dress as they please and simply arm themselves, with
friends, with arms, or with martial arts and even when these fail,
women have law.
See hyerdahl, if I had a ***** N two bumps I'd be shooving them in
men's faces 24/7/365... but after I'd "met the meat" I'd choose
otherwise.
Not all women are vegan, con. :-) And the thing about rape is, it's
against the law. You tend to forget that.
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12 Jul 2007 09:16:53 AM |
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On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184206215.325916.258...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s,
and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures
and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed
"the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does.
Nope, not in the slightest.
You want to cite men's ideas and options and I want to cite women's.
You only want one side of the debate heard, apparently.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's> > choices;
Which is not something I was arguing. I said the original article's
logic, taken to its ultimate conclusion would call for that.
You can't "call" for what you don't own. So your only argument is
fantasy. Western women are not going to wear burqas in any event so
that option is lost to you. My point here is that how men react to
porn is their choice and how women react is theirs. Thus, I'm
supportive of free speech and action.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who uses the term
"pornmeister" as a legitimate part of his/her vocabulary.
I am not responsible for your difficulty. A pornmeister is what he
is.
I never claimed women aren't free to do anything. I was responding to
the assertion that porn is bad because it shows a man fantastically
beautiful women and then he finds his wife less attractive as a result.
Well, a man can see beautiful women everywhere, not just in porn, so if
this is a problem, then banning or eliminating porn doesn't seem to be
the solution.-
I do not want to ban porn at all. I'm simply stating the obvious fact
that women need not accpt pornography as part of their own lives.
They can acheive that by not befriending, dating or marrying
pornmeisters. It's a simple cure to a complex problem.
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO> ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on the spurious logic of the original
article. You seem to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing-- namely how women can
best avoid the heartbreak of pornography
Women ARE addressing their own issues surrounding pornography by
divorcing men who are either pornmeisters or men who are addicted to
porn. However, you and I seem to agree that free speech ROCKS.
Remember, when you come here to debate, you alone, do not determine
the nature of the debate. Other people are free to comment ...to make
the debate fair and balanced.
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13 Jul 2007 05:29:11 AM |
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In article <1184249813.548324.236710@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184206215.325916.258...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does.
Nope, not in the slightest.
You want to cite men's ideas and options and I want to cite women's.
I'm not citing "men's ideas and options" at all. I was commenting on one
person's dubious logic.
You only want one side of the debate heard, apparently.
No, I'd love to hear the other side of the debate ON THE ISSUE I RAISED.
Unfortunately, you seem hell-bent on debating something else entirely.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's> > choices;
Which is not something I was arguing. I said the original article's
logic, taken to its ultimate conclusion would call for that.
You can't "call" for what you don't own. So your only argument is
fantasy. Western women are not going to wear burqas in any event so
that option is lost to you.
I really don't think I've encountered someone as dense as you on Usenet
in a very long time. Let's go through this one more time, shall we? I
NEVER claimed or suggested that women should wear burkhas, therefore no
option was "lost to me". I merely commented that the person who posted
the original article seemed to be arguing that women should wear burkhas
If you have a problem with burkha-wearing women, talk to the person who
posted the original article because it's was HIS IDEA. It wasn't mine.
My point here is that how men react to
porn is their choice and how women react is theirs. Thus, I'm
supportive of free speech and action.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who uses the term
"pornmeister" as a legitimate part of his/her vocabulary.
I am not responsible for your difficulty. A pornmeister is what he
is.
But you are responsible for your own credibility and using words like
"pornmeister" doesn't help it at all.
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO>
ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on the spurious logic of the original
article. You seem to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing-- namely how women can
best avoid the heartbreak of pornography
Women ARE addressing their own issues surrounding pornography by
divorcing men who are either pornmeisters or men who are addicted to
porn.
My dog likes to swim in the lake, but only on very hot days.
Other people are free to comment ...to make
the debate fair and balanced.
I have no problem with fair and balanced. You, on the other hand, seem to
have a huge problem with relevancy.
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13 Jul 2007 09:36:22 AM |
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On Jul 13, 3:29 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184249813.548324.236...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184206215.325916.258...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:30 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184166487.070367.91...@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 3:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style
burkhas on *all* women, not just banning pornography.
That's just silly; after all, women are free to exclude pornmeisters
from their lives and still find men who are not pornmeisters,
attractive.
That response has nothing to do with what I said.
Sure it does.
Nope, not in the slightest.
You want to cite men's ideas and options and I want to cite women's.
I'm not citing "men's ideas and options" at all. I was commenting on one
person's dubious logic.
But that "logic" held within it an option to place the burden for
men's sexual appetites on women. I simply clarified that.
You only want one side of the debate heard, apparently.
No, I'd love to hear the other side of the debate ON THE ISSUE I RAISED.
Unfortunately, you seem hell-bent on debating something else entirely.
My comments were directed at YOUR options.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect men's> > choices;
Which is not something I was arguing. I said the original article's
logic, taken to its ultimate conclusion would call for that.
You can't "call" for what you don't own. So your only argument is
fantasy. Western women are not going to wear burqas in any event so
that option is lost to you.
I really don't think I've encountered someone as dense as you on Usenet
in a very long time.
If I am too "dense" for you, it is your OPTION to ignore me, or you
can continue on with your desire to engage in a one-man show.
Let's go through this one more time, shall we? I
NEVER claimed or suggested that women should wear burkhas, therefore no
option was "lost to me". I merely commented that the person who posted
the original article seemed to be arguing that women should wear burkhas
If you have a problem with burkha-wearing women, talk to the person who
posted the original article because it's was HIS IDEA. It wasn't mine.
No. It was YOUR option, based on HIS idiodic position. I was simply
suggesting that this would never occur in the western world since men
don't own women's rights here. You seem to be making too much out of
this, but it's your nickel.
My point here is that how men react to
porn is their choice and how women react is theirs. Thus, I'm
supportive of free speech and action.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who uses the term
"pornmeister" as a legitimate part of his/her vocabulary.
I am not responsible for your difficulty. A pornmeister is what he
is.
But you are responsible for your own credibility and using words like
"pornmeister" doesn't help it at all.
Men who buy or sell porn are, IMO, pornmeisters. You need not call
them that if you don't like the term. There is nothing wrong with
using that term.
All women need to do to change this behavior is to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on the spurious logic of the original
article. You seem to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing-- namely how women can
best avoid the heartbreak of pornography
Women ARE addressing their own issues surrounding pornography and avoiding what you call "the heartbreak of pornography" by
divorcing men who are either pornmeisters or men who are addicted to
porn.
My dog likes to swim in the lake, but only on very hot days.
Possibly, but the question then becomes one of whether any female dogs
chase him down there when he's done reading your "Hustler".
Other people are free to comment ...to make
the debate fair and balanced.
I have no problem with fair and balanced. You, on the other hand, seem to
have a huge problem with relevancy.-
Not at all; It's perfectly relevant to talk about whether options you
suggest are possible in order to make them valid. In a free and equal
society, women decide these issues FOR themselves. It's not up to
you.
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13 Jul 2007 08:27:46 PM |
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In article <1184337382.790514.16550@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerdahl3@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 13, 3:29 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
In article <1184249813.548324.236...@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Hyerdahl <Hyerda...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:39 pm, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
But that "logic" held within it an option
to place the burden for men's sexual appetites
on women. I simply clarified that.
"The Wire" is an American television drama set
and produced in Baltimore, Maryland.
You only want one side of the debate
heard, apparently.
No, I'd love to hear the other side of
the debate ON THE ISSUE I RAISED. Unfortunately,
you seem hell-bent on debating something else
entirely.
My comments were directed at YOUR options.
The Lal Masjid (translated: Red Mosque) is a mosque
located in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan. The
Lal Masjid was built in 1965 and is named for its
red walls and interiors.
Women need not wear burqas simply to affect
men's choices
Which is not something I was arguing. I said
the original article's logic, taken to its
ultimate conclusion would call for that.
You can't "call" for what you don't own. So your
only argument is fantasy. Western women are not
going to wear burqas in any event so that option
is lost to you.
I really don't think I've encountered someone as dense
as you on Usenet in a very long time.
If I am too "dense" for you, it is your OPTION to
ignore me, or you can continue on with your desire
to engage in a one-man show.
The wimple piranha, Catoprion mento, is a specialized
species of piranha that feeds on fish scales.
Let's go through this one more time, shall we? I NEVER
claimed or suggested that women should wear burkhas,
therefore no option was "lost to me". I merely
commented that the person who posted the original
article seemed to be arguing that women should wear
burkhas If you have a problem with burkha-wearing
women, talk to the person who posted the original
article because it's was HIS IDEA. It wasn't mine.
No. It was YOUR option, based on HIS idiodic position.
I was simply suggesting that this would never occur
in the western world since men don't own women's rights
here. You seem to be making too much out of this, but
it's your nickel.
The Nu'uanu Pali was the site of the Battle of Nu'uanu,
one of the bloodiest battles in Hawaiian history, in
which King Kamehameha I conquered the island of Oahu,
bringing it under his rule.
If women are seeing pornmeisters
I have a hard time taking anyone seriously
who uses the term "pornmeister" as a legitimate
part of his/her vocabulary.
I am not responsible for your difficulty. A pornmeister
is what he is.
But you are responsible for your own credibility and
using words like "pornmeister" doesn't help it at all.
Men who buy or sell porn are, IMO, pornmeisters. You
need not call them that if you don't like the term.
There is nothing wrong with using that term.
Manzanar in the Owens Valley, between the towns of Lone Pine,
California, to the south, and Independence, California, to the
north, is most widely-known as the site of one of ten American
concentration camps where Japanese Americans were imprisoned
during World War II. It is located approximately 230 miles
northeast of Los Angeles, California.
All women need to do to change this behavior is
to not accept it.
For the last time, I'M NOT ARGUING THAT WOMEN SHOULD
OR SHOULD NOT DO ANYTHING. I'm merely commenting on
the spurious logic of the original article. You seem
to be trying to force a disagreement with me over
something I have no interest in even discussing--
namely how women can best avoid the heartbreak of
pornography
Women ARE addressing their own issues surrounding pornography
and avoiding what you call "the heartbreak of pornography"
by divorcing men who are either pornmeisters or men who
are addicted to porn.
My dog likes to swim in the lake, but only on very hot days.
Possibly, but the question then becomes one of whether
any female dogs chase him down there when he's done
reading your "Hustler".
Yog-Sothoth (The Lurker at the Threshold) is a fictional
character in the Cthulhu Mythos by H.P. Lovecraft. Yog-Sothoth
is an Outer God and is coterminous with all time and space yet
is supposedly locked outside of the universe we inhabit.
Yog-Sothoth knows all and sees all. To "please" this deity could
bring knowledge of many things. However, like most beings in
the mythos, to see it or learn too much about it is to court
disaster. Some authors state that the favour of the god requires
a human sacrifice or eternal servitude.
Other people are free to comment ...to make
the debate fair and balanced.
I have no problem with fair and balanced. You, on
the other hand, seem to have a huge problem with relevancy.
Not at all; It's perfectly relevant to talk about whether
options you suggest are possible in order to make them
valid. In a free and equal society, women decide these
issues FOR themselves. It's not up to you.
Robert Philip Hanssen is a former American FBI agent who
engaged in spying for the Soviet Union and Russia against
the U.S. for a period of at least 15 years. He is currently
in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day at the Supermax
Federal Penitentiary in Florence, Colorado.
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11 Jul 2007 11:17:30 AM |
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On Jul 11, 6:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
??????????
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style burkhas on *all*
women, not just banning pornography. After all, a man can see a
beautiful woman anywhere. On a billboard, on a TV show, in a movie, on a
city street... we better ban all display of the female form, just in
case a man sees a woman more beautiful than his wife.
The SOT is usually stupid, but this is heroically stupid. A man's lust
isn't a function of the pulchritude of any woman. While in the Army I
spent several months in a place where the women initially looked
simian to me. It took about 2 weeks before my whole concept of beauty
changed and a girl that I would have thought homely before, suddenly
became angelic. Lust is a vice that accommodates itself to the
environment.
Of course, if your wife follows the great American maturity curve and
becomes fat, sloppy and careless after the second child, and greets
you in bed more with reluctance than enthusiasm, your eye might start
to roam. American women spend a lot of time whining about the lack of
romance in the typical American male. Actually, I think the problem is
reversed. I think most American males are romantic and considerate.
The women get fixated on imaginary ideal males whose qualities are
unachievable by any real man, and then blame their husbands for not
making the grade.
In any event, "the contrast effect" is short-lived, unless, of course,
the contrast has less to do with beauty per se than with sexual
accommodation and satisfaction. If the wife is fat and dumpy, if she
carps, nags and complains, and if she proves no good in bed, yes,
there might be a "contrast." Maybe the message should be, if your
husband is regularly enjoying pornography, the wife should get
introspective and see what she can do to improve the romance at home.
If that means losing weight, dressing better, looking good, and trying
to pleasure him in bed, then do it. If not, he's liable to go beyond
porn to find some real chippie who will do all that for him.
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11 Jul 2007 02:26:01 PM |
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On Jul 11, 12:17 pm, Wexford <wrya...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 11, 6:57 am, BTR1701 <btr1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Jul 10, 6:38 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
??????????
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1863534/posts
This particular avenue of research began back in the late 1970s, and
it initially consisted of studies in which men were shown pictures and
movies of beautiful women and were then asked to judge the
attractiveness of other women. What the researchers found was that
after viewing these beautiful women, the men's judgments of the
attractiveness of other women were more negative. This was termed "the
contrast effect" - in contrast to beautiful women, other women will
pale by comparison and will end up being evaluated more negatively.
This seems to be an argument for requiring Muslim-style burkhas on *all*
women, not just banning pornography. After all, a man can se | | | | |