bob young wrote:

Chris wrote:

bob young wrote:

Chris wrote:

bob young wrote:

Chris wrote:

For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every
family in heaven and on earth

heaven is a myth, earth is real

is named, that according to the riches of
his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his
Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts
through faith-that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may have
strength to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and
length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ that
surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of
God.
(Ephesians 3:14-19)

Oh how Christians we need to pray for this... Don't just let
Christianity be to you just some kind of Genie or intellectual
argument... Pray for this, He offers so much more...

Chris

and you have not explained why man A who is good goes to heaven
while man B, who did not quite make it by being just a little more sinful,
roasts in burning coals in an unknown place called Hell for eternity.

Chris,

Thanks for replying.

The answer is so simple that you fail to see it because you don't think
there is
a God. If you did, then your mind should seek to understand many
questions:

you did not address the point above where a man slightly more sinful than his
friend gets burned alive whilst friend sits next to a god in paradise.

I did at the bottom of this message, please tell me more specifically
as to how my answer did not satisfy you?

I think below you are using diversionary tactics - let's take a look:

You simply give your answers outside of God as to how you live and die.
That is your problem. You can't see things any other way. Since you
fail to even take the first step towards faith and believing such
fiction as evolution, how can you ever expect to proceed?

1) Why do I live and die?

as a member of the earth's billions of species i live and die as they do, and so do
you

2) Why do I sin?

Sin has been hijacked by the priesthood. You know, of course, that sinners do not
attend church services?

3) Where did I come from?

The evolutionary process. As this is only partially understood and may never be
fully understood it in no way means there is a god out there that fits in so well
with the desires of homo sapiens

4) Why is there suffering all around me?

See 3 above

God has given plenty of clues through His creation, a moral law that
exists inside of every person, a sense of futility in this life, a
conscience unlike any other living creature, death all around us
showing there is something wrong between us and our Creator.

WRONG. Morality comes from within us, there are a billion moral people in China
today that have no religion at all. Morals like sin have been adopted by the
priesthood as something to preach about. People who go shoplifting seldom go to
church

Until you get to the point that you believe there is a God, you'll
never think that this God _might_ have written His law on our hearts...
This law is our conscience that bears witness of our thoughts which is
accusing us...

eeeerm - not understood

I'm refering to morality here.. But not necessarily morality between
us and others, but rather a sense of morality between us and God...
This morality is what has been written in our hearts and it accuses us
of our sin against God. But since you fail to even believe in a God,
so how can you believe this?

Until you get to the point that you believe there is a God, you'll
never think that we might have offended this God by our sin....

Until you get to the point that you believe there is a God, you'll
never think that he might have provided a way for reconciliation...

Until you get to the point that you believe there is a God, you'll
never think that he might have sent His son Jesus Christ to die for us
sins, to cover our sins, only if you believe in Him...

But you need to get to step 1 first...

Until you get to the point that you believe you have a Creator, you'll
never answer the difference between man A and man B.

I did not seek to know the difference between my imaginary two men, all I was doing
was pointing out the banal stupidity of the heaven concept. Every religion has a
heaven even Buddhism, and they do not even have a god.

Point understood, but obviously I don't agree because I haven't bought
hook, line, and sinker into this theory evolution that takes more faith
than believing in a Creator of the universe.

Chris

Cheers

Bob

The scriptures
clearly spell out this answer --- man A simply realizes his sinfulness
and need for reconciliation and man B has chosen to not believe...
Thus his sin condemns him and he is never reconciliation between him
and his Creator.

Chris

do you never question your silly mythology from primitive times?

He has never offered anything. The 'offers' such as they are, come from
other humans like you.

Show me where any god has ever appeared and done anything

''Thanks in advance.

Oh and here's a bit more about 'heaven and hell'..........................




Someone in heaven heard that his best friend down on earth had just passed
away.

ÒOh I'm so looking forward to seeing him againÓ the man said. ÒSorryÓ said
God, ÒBut he will not be coming here because he has been a little bit more
sinful than you, so your friend, will be going to the other place called
HellÓ.

So here's this man, sitting for eternity in paradise next to his loving
God, whilst his friend, who had been just a little more sinful than he, is
about to roast for eternity on burning coals in a place called Hell.

You do not understand Christiainity. We are all enemies of God and our
works by themself will only bring further condemnation. We need need
reconciliation to this God whom we have offended
by our sin. And this reconciliation is only offered through Jesus
Christ.

Chris

Is it conceivable that anything could be more banal, juvenile, or crassly
stupid?

Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong

.. You simply choose to ignore it. You don't have to look
far into your> being or into the world to see the hand of God.

Mary Walker wrote:

"Chris" <look2god@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I would look carefully at your belief system to determine who is brain
washed. You
sure you haven't exchanged the truth of God for a lie? Oh that is
right, you are one
of the evolved beings on this earth who shares similar traits of a
monkey. Think
about what you believe -- who is brainwashed again?

Chris

Circular logic. Your logic uses the assumption that the Christian God
actually exists and you carry your arguament along from that premise.

Go ahead, use your logic on the day of judgement and see what it brings
you. You
are right, I use this assumption that God exists because it is innately
in every
human being... You simply choose to ignore it. You don't have to look
far into your
being or into the world to see the hand of God.

Hi, SBHDYBH,

Exactly what had happen in the Christian people and world...........
Besides your, here were some other even more horrific happenings:
- Christians killed all the non-believers during the Crusade
- Christians of British and Spainsh origin killed all the
indigineous Indians in North/South
America
- Christian America now killing the Iraqis for the oil
Any one care to comment..........?

My own contention is that if there is a god, he will certainly punish
all the Christians in due course...........................right?

Yap
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:

"Chris" <look2god@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You may call me what you want. Here is what is written about you:

The fool says in his heart, There is no God.
(Psalms 53:1)

the fool believes in sky pixies and worships a MASS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING
COLD-HEARTED ***** christian god that sits on his FAT, LAZY ***** and laughs
his ***** off while a child is being raped and murdered