Bible Bob wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:58:51 -0700, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Carl wrote:

{Folks, do you see how ridiculous the above sounds? However this is
pretty much what "Bible Bob" arrogantly demands. It has to be HIS
way by HIS rules or else HE is obligated to call our points "trash"
and engage in self-righteous ad hominem. The fact of the matter is
that "Bible Bob" is unable to defend his heresies especially when
learned, Godly men refute his heresies time and time again with
information they provided in the past.

Which is exactly what BB say about you. In fact most of you fundies
here would need philosopher's cages if you met in public.

All of you talk like Martin Luther who said believe him or be
damned.

"I do not admit that my doctrine can be judged by anyone, even the
angels. He who does not receive my doctrine cannot be saved"
-- Martin Luther Werke (Erlangen),XXIX , 217-33, on Maritian, 15.


The difference is that you think it makes sense and he saw how
insane it was.



"All the article of our christian faith, which God has revealed to
us in His Word, are in the presence of reason shearly impossible,
absurd and false. ...Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has.
...She is the devils greatest *****... a ***** eaten by scabs and
leprosy, who ought to be trodden underfoot and destroyed, she and
her wisdom...Throw dung in her face...drown her in baptism"
-- Martin Luther

Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his
Reason. -- Martin Luther

"If by any effort of reason I could conceive how God, Who shows so
much anger and iniquity, could be merciful and just, there would be
no need of faith."
-- Martin Luther

Mike,

Not bad; even if it is aimed at me.

BB

Don't flatter yourself. You are no better than most of the other nutjobs who
make the claim.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:10:12 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:42:00 -0400, Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:01:06 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:

"Bible Bob" prove line by line, verse by verse, point by point the position
taken by the following individuals on the Trinity and the deity of Jesus
Christ:

John Ankerberg
James White
Norman Geisler
Woodrow Kroll
John Weldon

If you are unable to provide solid, unarguable refutations on these
individuals' positions on the Trinity and the deity of Jesus Christ then you
obviously do not trust in God because if you did you would know His Word and
would be willing and able to completely refute their stance.

{Folks, do you see how ridiculous the above sounds? However this is pretty
much what "Bible Bob" arrogantly demands. It has to be HIS way by HIS rules
or else HE is obligated to call our points "trash" and engage in
self-righteous ad hominem. The fact of the matter is that "Bible Bob" is
unable to defend his heresies especially when learned, Godly men refute his
heresies time and time again with information they provided in the past. The
heresies "Bible Bob" presents aren't new. They've been around quite a while
and have been thoroughly refuted many, many times. So all "Bible Bob" can do
is deny, deny, deny and then attempt to smear and besmirch while he
proclaims his superior knowledge and understanding. Okay, fine. Let's say
for arguments' sake that his knowledge and understanding is superior; I then
put forth the superior knowledge and understanding of the 5 men I listed
above and can many, many more who know more about Biblical languages,
exegesis, proper scholarly methods, orthodoxy and just simple Bible truths
than "Bible Bob" does in his boasting and bragging of his thirty-some-odd
years of study. Unfortunately, these gentlemen are too busy to bother with a
smalltime heretic like "Bible Bob" but frankly, I would love to see an
organized, structured debate between "Bible Bob" and any one of the
gentlemen listed above. I am certain that "Bible Bob" wouldn't stand a
chance and would be humiliated in public. But afterwards, deny, deny, deny
that he was. For that is the way of the heretic.}

May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/

Carl,

Grow up.

You prove from the word of God what you think is true.

Grow up, Bob!
You CAN'T prove from the Word of God what YOU believe is true!

Of course I can.

and what I am willing to do. Suppose, for example, that I believe ten
thousand things are true. Those ten thousand things would be what I
believe. I am able to prove them to be true but am not willing to
devote the time and energy necessary to explain them to someone who
wouldn't understand the explanations.

Carl worships men and named some of his deities above. As their self
proclaimed prophet he demanded that I explain the doctrines of his
false gods. I will put no other gods before my God Who is the one one
true God and Father of my Lord Jesus Christ. Carl is mad at me
because I won't join in his harlotry and uses illogical childish
taunts such as above where he implies that if I don't join in his
whoring after other gods that I don't trust in God.

Carl's point is well-taken. IT's a time-honored tradition going back
to Jesus and the Apostles referring to the prophets of the Old
Testament.

Carl has no point founded on the truth of the word of God. Carl is
like a Pryor of the 'Ori who thinks that that people should do what he
says or be destroyed. To equate Carl with Jesus and the Apsotles is
to equate Jesus and the Apostles with Satan.

Carl has said, you won't listen to him, you won't listen to me, there
are a dozen Christians in here who you will not listen to.

Carl says a lot of things that are not true and uses the opinions of
men to validate his man made belief system. So do you.

We therefore submit the views of the scholars of our time, just like
Jesus submitted the views of the prophets who were the scholars of His
time!

Bad comparison. Jesus quoted men of God who spoke for God the words
of God. You guys quote men who do not speak the word of God by
revelation for God. You quote opinions of men and doctrines of devils
and neither of those are equivalent to what Jesus quoted.

And you don't know enough Bible to out-debate the scholarship of our
time. You wouldn't last 5 minutes against Dr Charles Stanley, you
wouldn't last 5 minutes against Dr Jess Moody, you wouldn't last 5
minutes against Dr John MacArthur.

That is silly. I would not lower my standards to debate the word of
God. Why would I waste my time talking to the gods that you worship.
Your behavior indicates that your gods have not helped you. Why would
I be stupid enough to waste my time on false gods that can't even help
you?

You're all bluster, no scholarship!

You are the one doing the talking and not using any "scholarship" to
back up what he says.

And I go right back to what I told you YEARS ago:

Bob, the only person you are fooling is you!

While fooling people may be your goal in life and what you dwell on in
your fantasies; it is not mine.

john w

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:21:37 -0700,

On Jun 13, 6:15 am, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:01:06 -0400, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com>
wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

"Bible Bob" prove line by line, verse by verse,

Carl, not 24 hours ago, you posted the following:
Heretics like "Bible Bob" aren't worthy of my time anymore per Titus
3:9,10.

You are sounding double-minded, sir.

john w

The "point by point" part was posted before I finally just decided to
end the nonsense with "Bible Bob." I posted the "aren't worthy of my
time" post via several "Bible Bob" posts to make it absolutely clear
that I am finished with him and wanted to make sure it could not be
missed. Yesterday was not a good day for me and I was a bit aggravated
over some personal issues and "Bible Bob"'s false accusations got me a
little angry. I don't need that sort of aggravation from a heretic so
after some prayer and scriptural reading, I felt God calling on me to
end it with "Bible Bob." If I am sounding double-minded then I must
tell you that it was not my intention to do so. As you know, I am
human and make mistaks...er...mistkeas...er...errors. :-)

Translation:
I have been caught in error and lying so many times that I am deathly
afraid that people will not worship me the way I want to be
worshipped.

has even exposed me as being an imitator of SW and thinks that just
because I talk like him and walk like him and quack like him that I am
like him. BB exposing me as an idolater that worships men gets under
my skin. Sure it is true; but so what. As long as I can talk about
praying and type big words like Hermeneutics and Exegesis and name the
names of my gods I can fool some of the people some of the time. All
I want to do is fool people into thinking I am what I am not. What's
wrong with that. People get freaky in different ways; why can't I get
my freak on in my own way?

[Which reminds me, thank you again for pointing out my messup on the
intro to the John 1:1,14 article I put together. I appreciate it.]

On a totally unrelated note, how's the photography going? Does it help
center your focus when you are out with your camera (or cameras -- I
don't know how extensive your equipment is) taking photos? Eventually
I want to upgrade to a Canon EOS digital camera of some sort with
three basic lens (standard, zoom and wide-angle). Right now I have an
Olympus point-and-shoot that does a pretty good job.

May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/