Religions > Bible > Proof that Carl Walther is a false-christian deceiver
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"Pastor Steve Winter" |
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09 Dec 2005 09:42:40 AM |
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Proof that Carl Walther is a false-christian deceiver |
All can see how Carl Walther cannot even begin to defend the
stupid garbage he would peddle to you and how all he can muster
is an attack against a music store that doesn't claim to be
Christian at all. What a malicious hypocrite Carl Walther is!
You can see some of what Carl is jealous of at www.prime.org
These filth like Carl Walther are not really angry because I call
them false-christian scum, but rather because I prove them to be
false-christian scum from their own Bibles.
The best defense against any Satanic deceiving scum like Carl
Walther is simply education and information. If you know the
Bible for yourself then no slimy Satanic scum like Carl Walther
can deceive you with his lies.
So lets study the Bible:
Basic Bible salvation, what subject could be more important in
this hour in which the last moments in the history of mankind
fill the headlines with their fury.
What subject angers the sweet talking false-christian trinity
preacher like the subject of basic Biblical salvation? There is
a reason for that, you know.
Some would teach you that the Bible is not comprehendible so you
might as well not try, but I believe that the Bible is there for
us to understand.
Isaiah 35:8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it
shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass
over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though
fools, shall not err therein.
God declares did not give his Word to confuse or alienate people.
He gave it to show us the way and give us true light and
understanding. Even a fool will stand before God without excuse.
Psalms 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light
unto my path.
How many have ever walked in an unfamiliar area without any
light, yet so many choose to exercise their God given free will
to do just that with their spiritual path?
If we want true salvation then we need to reject the man made
fables of the worldly man made religions spewed by devils like
Carl Walther, we must instead look at what was taught by Jesus
Christ, then preached upon His authority by Peter, and then
practiced by the Apostles faithfully. If we do that then we see
two essential elements that make up the Christian new birth.
Those elements are water and spirit. These truths do not
contradict the scriptures regarding belief but provide the
foundation upon which to exercise true Biblical belief, which is
based upon obedience (another concept that the false-christians
really hate).
The false-christian needs to face reality. Was Noah saved by
grace through faith by the mercy of God? Would not he have
drowned if he had refused to obey and build the ark? Was Noah
somehow waterproof? Don't let your false preacher or some pride
engorged, malicious, bumbling pig like Carl Walther take you
down, friend.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
Those essential elements are: WATER and SPIRIT. We should take
note that a grown man was told by God manifest in the flesh that
he had to be born of water and that he had to be born of the
Spirit.
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of
eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
How can you continue to believe your false preacher that grace
means that there is nothing to obey?
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.
Why would a real man of God try to talk you OUT of putting on
Christ as so many of the false-christian preachers do when they
fight against Jesus Name Baptism?
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
Yes even with that verse we still have the devil's crowd like
Carl Walther deceiving souls. Look at that verse. Is it telling
you to do one thing or to do two things? What part of the word
"and" do you not comprehend?
If you pay good money for a wash AND wax for your car, what do
you expect?
Jesus Christ gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of God. What
will become of those who reject what Peter did with those keys.
It has become common that the devil's workmen try to teach people
that Peter disobeyed Jesus. They say something like, "Well I
will take Jesus's words over Peter's any day."
If we can't trust the Apostles we have a big problem. Was it not
the Apostles who told us what Jesus said?
Some attack me for being less than tolerant towards the devils's
deceivers, but what does Paul tell the Christians to do when scum
like Carl Walther come on the scene?
2 Cor 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off
occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they
glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming
themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel
of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works.
Notice also what role that Satan's servants like Carl Walther
will play. They will pretend to be teaching righteousness. They
will get jobs as preachers.
Can we reject Peter without rejecting the One who sent him?
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell
shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.
Are those false-preachers like Carl Walther who want you to
disregard Peter's salvation message really your friend? Are
they telling you the truth?
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and
abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the
father of it.
So we don't need to be surprised when the devil's servants like
Carl Walther lie, OK?
I hope and pray that all can see that one can't reject Peter
without rejecting the Lord Jesus Christ who gave Peter the keys
to the kingdom of heaven. So let's study what Peter taught.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both
Lord and Christ.
37 ¶ Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart,
and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and
brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one
of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and
ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all
that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
How can anyone, even in their wildest imagination, believe that
they are among the "called of God" when they reject the Acts 2:38
salvation that Peter preached on the authority of the Lord Jesus
Christ?
We need to take note that water baptism is to be done in Jesus
Name. Monotheists have no problem with that, but polytheists
really stumble on that and thereby expose themselves that they
truly are polytheistic and really are teaching three god squad
members. In the Bible when people received the Holy Ghost, they
spoke with other tongues.
The devil's servants have found that the best way to keep people
from seeking the real Baptism of the Holy Ghost is to convince
them they already have it and then just hold them by their
religious pride. But why would anyone desiring and claiming a
true Biblical experience be so adamantly against such a basic
Bible principle.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began
to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy
Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied
Paul also said:
1 Corinthians 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more
than ye all:
There are examples in the Bible where people received the Holy
Ghost before they were baptised in Jesus Name. There are also
examples where people were baptised in Jesus Name before they
received the Holy Ghost. Both are valid salvation experiences
since the Bible documents both scenarios as valid.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
Whenever either ingredient of the Christian New Birth was
missing, the Apostles of Jesus IMMEDIATELY added the missing one.
If a person was baptized in Jesus Name then the Apostles prayed
for them to receive the Holy Spirit. (that also proves that
people don't automatically receive the Holy Ghost when they
"believe" as some of Satan's ministers teach. When people
received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues,
the Apostles immediately baptized them in Jesus Name.
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized,
he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles
and signs which were done.
14 ¶ Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that
Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter
and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they
might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were
baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the
Holy Ghost.
Note how they had been baptized.
Acts 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost
fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished,
as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was
poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then
answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized,
which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
So how did the Apostles know that Gentiles had received the same
Holy Ghost they had?
Those who had even been baptised personally by John the Baptist
were re-baptised in Jesus name for the remission of their sins.
John's baptism was only for a temporary period of time. Jesus
Name baptism does remit sins by the POWER of the shed blood of
God.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at
Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to
Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye
believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard
whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And
they said, Unto John’s baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of
repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on
him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the
Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost
came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And all the men were about twelve.
So with that verse 2 up there, how are Satan's ministers still
convincing people that they automatically receive the Holy Ghost
when they first "believe"?
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and
wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
How does a person have their sins washed away? Clearly it is by
being baptized in Jesus Name which is the METHOD whereby one
calls on the Name of the Lord.
Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are
risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who
hath raised him from the dead.
Note the essentiality of both WATER and SPIRIT:
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so
be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not
the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Bible speaks of the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ as
EXACTLY the same Spirit.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but
he that believeth not shall be damned.
How could Jesus have been more clear regarding the essentiality
of Jesus Name baptism?
James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only,
deceiving your own selves.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into
the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Remember here that Jesus was telling a grown man what he STILL
needed to do in order to be saved. The grown man still had to
be reborn of WATER and of the SPIRIT.
This is totally consistent with the plan of salvation that Peter,
the "man with the keys to the kingdom" preached on the birthday
of the New Testament Church.
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and
upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell
shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in
heaven.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and
to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
Acts 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort,
saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized:
and the same day there were added [unto them] about three
thousand souls.
If your false-preacher has told you that you don't need to obey
Acts 2:38, I want you to consider these next verses and consider
what God has in store for scum like Carl Walther and any stupid
enough to go with him.
2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty
angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the
presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
How can people be so gullible that they don't think they need to
obey the Gospel?
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at
the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end
be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias
saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
See in the above verse how the Apostles considered a "non-obeyer"
like the accursed Carl Walther to be a "non-believer"?
Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into
Christ have put on Christ.
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Carl Walther is a false-christian deceiver |
11 Dec 2005 10:37:56 AM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
All can see how Carl Walther cannot even begin to defend the
stupid garbage he would peddle to you and how all he can muster
is an attack against a music store that doesn't claim to be
Christian at all. What a malicious hypocrite Carl Walther is!
No one can see anything about Carl here, you cut all that he wrote out,
and then you went insane with this attack on him. You sir are the
HYPOCRITE!
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
You can see some of what Carl is jealous of at www.prime.org
No one is jealous of you! NOT A SOUL we all feel sorry for you, that
you feel you must curse, lie, and deceive! Again no one is jealous of
your silly actions and filthy unclean postings.
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Carl Walther is a false-christian deceiver |
11 Dec 2005 09:03:05 PM |
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"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
Well just look at the level of low life scum crawling out of the
sewer to try to defend a deceiver like Carl Walther! Is it not
the filthy fake oneness missionary Raymond Knapp! and even the
low life false-christian dirt John Fraser!
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also,
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.
The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach the real
Apostolic doctrine. He also claims to have been saved BEFORE
baptism in a Baptist cult.
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, DECEIVER
Raymond Knapp is.
Quoting from http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp1-15-2005.txt In this USENET post,
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."
http://www.impsmail.org/rk04102005.txt In this 4/10/2005 USENET
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism
It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual ***** trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined to
take him seriously.
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.
Pastor sTeve Winter http://www.heathenholidays.com
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Dr. Knapp" |
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11 Dec 2005 10:11:49 PM |
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Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
Well just look at the level of low life scum crawling out of the
sewer to try to defend a deceiver like Carl Walther! Is it not
the filthy fake oneness missionary Raymond Knapp! and even the
low life false-christian dirt John Fraser!
Thank you Steve you just proved my point again, you can not in any
intelligent way respond to a post.
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| User: "Takin up space @ home" |
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12 Dec 2005 06:33:53 PM |
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Dr. Knapp wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
Well just look at the level of low life scum crawling out of the
sewer to try to defend a deceiver like Carl Walther! Is it not
the filthy fake oneness missionary Raymond Knapp! and even the
low life false-christian dirt John Fraser!
Thank you Steve you just proved my point again, you can not in any
intelligent way respond to a post.
It has occurred to me many times that the person speaking is not
raymond knapp. it's amazing how your english and grammar alternate
between very bad broken english, and nearly good grammar. How long have
you commies been using the alias of knapp, eh ? Judging by your broken
english in other posts, you must be a "brain damaged" slope.
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| User: "Raymond" |
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12 Dec 2005 09:49:13 PM |
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Takin' up space @ home wrote:
Dr. Knapp wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
Well just look at the level of low life scum crawling out of the
sewer to try to defend a deceiver like Carl Walther! Is it not
the filthy fake oneness missionary Raymond Knapp! and even the
low life false-christian dirt John Fraser!
Thank you Steve you just proved my point again, you can not in any
intelligent way respond to a post.
It has occurred to me many times that the person speaking is not
raymond knapp. it's amazing how your english and grammar alternate
between very bad broken english, and nearly good grammar. How long have
you commies been using the alias of knapp, eh ? Judging by your broken
english in other posts, you must be a "brain damaged" slope.
I really do not think that much has occurred to you, as seen by the
post of yours. Thank you for the nearly good grammar remarks. I am
trying to work on that, since I been in Asia for over 42 years now.
Then the commies have real good English, they have the best teachers
from the USA and UK to train them. Then your last remark is strange
coming from a person that does not even use a personal name and such
when you do reply. Well the world is made up of all kinds of people,
and you have the freedom to use broken or good English if you like.
Then really what does your reply have to do with anything said before.
I do hope you feel better getting that off your chest.
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| User: "Raymond" |
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12 Dec 2005 09:49:17 PM |
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Takin' up space @ home wrote:
Dr. Knapp wrote:
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> spake thusly and wrote:
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
Well just look at the level of low life scum crawling out of the
sewer to try to defend a deceiver like Carl Walther! Is it not
the filthy fake oneness missionary Raymond Knapp! and even the
low life false-christian dirt John Fraser!
Thank you Steve you just proved my point again, you can not in any
intelligent way respond to a post.
It has occurred to me many times that the person speaking is not
raymond knapp. it's amazing how your english and grammar alternate
between very bad broken english, and nearly good grammar. How long have
you commies been using the alias of knapp, eh ? Judging by your broken
english in other posts, you must be a "brain damaged" slope.
I really do not think that much has occurred to you, as seen by the
post of yours. Thank you for the nearly good grammar remarks. I am
trying to work on that, since I been in Asia for over 42 years now.
Then the commies have real good English, they have the best teachers
from the USA and UK to train them. Then your last remark is strange
coming from a person that does not even use a personal name and such
when you do reply. Well the world is made up of all kinds of people,
and you have the freedom to use broken or good English if you like.
Then really what does your reply have to do with anything said before.
I do hope you feel better getting that off your chest.
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| User: "John Fraser" |
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| Title: Re: Proof that Carl Walther is a false-christian deceiver |
11 Dec 2005 12:20:26 PM |
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Good afternoon Raymond;
"Raymond" <rwknapp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134319076.173743.176080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Pastor Steve Winter wrote:
All can see how Carl Walther cannot even begin to defend the
stupid garbage he would peddle to you and how all he can muster
is an attack against a music store that doesn't claim to be
Christian at all. What a malicious hypocrite Carl Walther is!
No one can see anything about Carl here, you cut all that he wrote out,
and then you went insane with this attack on him. You sir are the
HYPOCRITE!
You cannot even reply to the person in any intelligent way, all you do
is prove you are nothing and not worth reading.
You can see some of what Carl is jealous of at www.prime.org
No one is jealous of you! NOT A SOUL we all feel sorry for you, that
you feel you must curse, lie, and deceive! Again no one is jealous of
your silly actions and filthy unclean postings.
What's to be jealous of: a church whose pastor refuses to post a civic
address which exists in a country which promotes religious freedom? Perhaps
he doesn't want to experience the fruit he hurls so gleefully at others.
Cheers,
John
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