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"David Matthieu P.P." |
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25 Nov 2004 12:04:18 PM |
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PROSPERITY GOSPEL TESTIMONIAL. |
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
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Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
I have enjoyed your site for quite some time and have downloaded it so I
could read over and over again. You have many powerful testimonies - I am
especially delighted to see that you are taking a stand against the
Charismatic movement and its false doctrines. Believe me, I can say that
because I used to be a member of a Charismatic church, and it was horrible.
When I went into the church five years ago, I had a wonderful husband and
three lovely children all under the age of six. We had moved to another
town and the only two churches available within reasonable driving distance:
Methodist and Charismatic. My husband wanted to go to the Charismatic
church, and despite misgivings I said okay. After all, I thought all
churches were practically the same, so what difference would it make?
Unfortunately, there was a HUGE difference although we didn't notice it
right away. The tongues thing really bothered me, but my husband thought
that this was really a sign from God and how wonderful it all was. The
people were exceptionally friendly to us (AT THE TIME) - it was really like
a cult, now that I think about it.
After the birth of our fourth child two years ago, the pastor brought in an
"evangelist" who had a "new word from God" for the congregation. This was
my introduction to the "prosperity gospel." The "preacher" told us that it
was God's will for all of us to be rich. He himself drove a Cadillac and
had over a million dollars in the bank. He got the money from the churches
he visited - he'd try to fleece us dry! He would tell us that we needed to
give money in order to receive it from God. Well he came back three times
and each time he raked in over five thousand dollars from church members!
But as he got richer, we just got poorer. The last sermon this man
preached, he said that we were "coming out in style" and that God was going
to give us all of our monetary dreams if we would just "name it and claim
it."
My husband "named and claimed" three million dollars that night, but it
didn't come. I didn't expect it to - I was sick of this church and its
false teachings. I saw what it was doing to our oldest daughter - she was 8
at the time and becoming rebellious, insolent, etc. After a year went by
and that money didn't come, my husband started seeing a "Christian
counselor" who also happened to be a woman. She told him that I was somehow
holding him back, so he "named and claimed" a new wife (all behind my
back!).
I didn't even see it coming until I came home one night and my 8 year old
daughter was sitting out on the porch with the baby screaming in her arms
and the other two children sobbing beside her. My husband, who told me that
he would watch the kids that night while I went grocery shopping, had LEFT
instead and locked the children outside!!! When I opened up the house, it
was completely ransacked. Everything of value was gone (including my baby's
crib, which my father had made by hand, and all of the baby's new clothes!).
I later learned that he pawned things to finance his trip, WITH THE
"CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR" to Florida!
He filed for divorce a few months ago but I am fighting it. I don't want a
divorce, I want him to get right with God! He wants nothing to do with his
children and is living in sin on some boat down in the Keys with the
"Christian counselor." When I went to the Charismatic pastor about it, he
told me to give him the divorce and claim a new husband, for God would
provide! I left the church that day, and that has nearly been a year ago.
The children and I have moved back with my father (who is a devoted
Christian and opened his arms and house up to us right away) because we
could not afford the house payments and we are attending a BIBLE-PREACHING
church finally. I still pray for my husband...
As you can see, what has been said about the Charismatic movement on your
site is absolutely true. It is a wicked, evil perversion of the Word of
God. I am just glad that my eyes have been opened to see this. Keep
preaching the truth, for that is what this dying world needs to hear. Amen.
In Christ Jesus,
Mrs. S R
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| User: "jw no" |
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27 Nov 2004 12:22:56 PM |
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
Subject:
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
He filed for divorce a few months ago but I am fighting it. I don't want
a
divorce, I want him to get right with God! He wants nothing to do with
his
children and is living in sin on some boat down in the Keys with the
"Christian counselor."
In Christ Jesus,
Mrs. S R
Good for you that you are not giving up on your marriage. Your husband is
in jeapordy of spiritual ruin, if not further ruination of his life. He
needs someone who is going to pray for him and, figuratively speaking, fight
for him as well as the preservation of your marriage. Here is a principle
from God's Word, the book of Hosea, that applies. Hosea's wife left him for
other lovers. It is a picture of Isreal forsaking the true God for a false
god. It tells how God did not just give up on Israel when the people
turned away from the true God and committed spiritual adultery with false
gods. God did not just let them go, he did everything in his power to make
it difficult for them to leave, and to cause them to desire to return.
"Therefore, behold, I will hedge up your way with thorns, And wall her in,
So that she cannot find her paths. She will chase her lovers, But not
overtake them;Yes, she will seek them, but not find them. Then she will say,
"I will go and return to my first husband, For then it was better for me
than now." (Hosea 2).
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| User: "Lynette" |
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26 Nov 2004 11:13:31 PM |
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30ml56F3318dkU1@uni-berlin.de...
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
Subject:
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
I didn't even see it coming until I came home one night and my 8 year old
daughter was sitting out on the porch with the baby screaming in her arms
and the other two children sobbing beside her. My husband, who told me
that
he would watch the kids that night while I went grocery shopping, had
LEFT
instead and locked the children outside!!! When I opened up the house,
it
was completely ransacked. Everything of value was gone (including my
baby's
crib, which my father had made by hand, and all of the baby's new
clothes!).
I later learned that he pawned things to finance his trip, WITH THE
"CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR" to Florida!
I've heard this same story dozens of times...I am sad to say....
In one church and another. PEOPLE wake up!!
Just another dirty stinking 2-timing S.O.B. what used Jesus
or his church doctrine as an excuse or cover for his blatent selfishness.
He filed for divorce a few months ago but I am fighting it. I don't want
a
divorce, I want him to get right with God! He wants nothing to do with
his
children and is living in sin on some boat down in the Keys with the
"Christian counselor."
What REALLY needs to be done is you ex-hubby needs
to have someone to CRACK HIM UPSIDE HIS HEAD
with a street shovel or similar pole'd-type tool or implement
untill he's *****-eye'd silly!! Any man who'd abandon his
biological children (...regardless if he's a christian or is not)
is a SELFISH ***** who needs a good old
fashoned *****-WHUPPIN to snap him out of his fantasy
lifestyle, in this case with that young c-nt ***** he ran away with.
(who's he think he is??? PTL's Jimmy Baaker the II ???)
Also, he ain't going to get "right with G-d" honey, until some
other man someplace, or perhaps you dearie, smacks his
silly coward ***** around a streetcorner or an alley
someplace back to reality.
Time for some *good ole fashoned* physical corrective action like
grandma or grandpop would have administered if they got their
hands around the neck of this sorry ***** ***** and that homewrecker
***** he's living with, sweetie. This is the only way jackasses like your
ex will ever learn anything honey! Sooner U realize it the better.
When I went to the Charismatic pastor about it, he
told me to give him the divorce and claim a new husband, for God would
provide!
(translation: "Your on your own sister, cause' I got's me a fat church
with $$ paying suckers and couldn't care less about you!"
That so-called 'pastor' is another lying 2-face lazy ***** schmuck
perverter of the Word what needs to have a wake-up call in
the form of a steel-toe boot shoved up his polyester suitpants side-ways!
I left the church that day, and that has nearly been a year ago.
The children and I have moved back with my father (who is a devoted
Christian and opened his arms and house up to us right away) because we
could not afford the house payments and we are attending a
BIBLE-PREACHING
church finally. I still pray for my husband...
Pray for him?? I'd had taken out a contract out for
his sorry *****! If you do pray for him sweetie, pray
that his current mistress or the next skank he sleeps
with gives him the LORANA BOBBIT TREATMENT !!!
That is what this ***** deserves honey!
His p-nis served to him on-a-china dishplate
like that gal from Long Island did a few years ago
to that other two-timing putz Buttifuco!
As you can see, what has been said about the Charismatic movement on your
site is absolutely true. It is a wicked, evil perversion of the Word of
God. I am just glad that my eyes have been opened to see this. Keep
preaching the truth, for that is what this dying world needs to hear.
Amen.
In Christ Jesus,
Mrs. S R
Amen also SR, but don't let that ex of yours get away without
some pain and misery which is what he deserves for what he
did to you any his children. Any man who abandons his kids
like you described circumstances above should have his head
cut off (meaning the smaller one - grin) Just like those Talibans
do in Iraq.
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| User: "u2 fan" |
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25 Nov 2004 03:03:30 PM |
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"name and claim" how bizzare ... Let's assume a few things ...
who has "power" on this earth to provide evil ? Satan ...
claiming $3M seems like excessive greed and selfishness ( satan ) , no doubt
the money would be used for pleasure
claiming a "new" wife seems like adultery ( satan )
deception from the "charismatic" preacher ( satan )
all satan so far ...
a satanic "church" empowered by sin ... why be suprised at all, it was
prophesied 2000 years ago
Mt7v15-23 look at the FRUIT of that "church" = lots of greedy people hungry
for $$$, they have been decevied by false Christs ( Mt 24v5 )
"Christs" that provide all a persons SINFUL desires
A real tragity is unbelievers can get drawn into these cults and think they
are saved, they only read their bible when "preacher" tells them to open it
hence they have no idea about what it really means to know Christ, they know
a "Christ" that promises money and pleasure and we act suprised unbelivers
are hungry for that, we should not act suprised.
You'll note many false churches don't tell people to repent but just "follow
a money Christ" ( mammon )
ie a prayer saying "I'll chase the money Christ for the rest of my life
faithfullly expecting my account to have $1M" etc...
It is a common set up ...
Find out peoples needs, promise "god" can solve their problems, and bring
them in ...
make them feel they are doing the right thing ie "putting money on the altar
is the way to manipulate god to do his stuff"
It is a tragety that people follow these demons and never know the real
Christ.
"Many will come in my name" Mt 24v5
Thankfully we can be assured the Lord will save the day.
Who knows 1000 nukes later and a few $T poorer and we may see Jesus.
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30ml56F3318dkU1@uni-berlin.de...
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
Subject:
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
I have enjoyed your site for quite some time and have downloaded it so I
could read over and over again. You have many powerful testimonies - I am
especially delighted to see that you are taking a stand against the
Charismatic movement and its false doctrines. Believe me, I can say that
because I used to be a member of a Charismatic church, and it was
horrible.
When I went into the church five years ago, I had a wonderful husband and
three lovely children all under the age of six. We had moved to another
town and the only two churches available within reasonable driving
distance:
Methodist and Charismatic. My husband wanted to go to the Charismatic
church, and despite misgivings I said okay. After all, I thought all
churches were practically the same, so what difference would it make?
Unfortunately, there was a HUGE difference although we didn't notice it
right away. The tongues thing really bothered me, but my husband thought
that this was really a sign from God and how wonderful it all was. The
people were exceptionally friendly to us (AT THE TIME) - it was really
like
a cult, now that I think about it.
After the birth of our fourth child two years ago, the pastor brought in
an
"evangelist" who had a "new word from God" for the congregation. This was
my introduction to the "prosperity gospel." The "preacher" told us that
it
was God's will for all of us to be rich. He himself drove a Cadillac and
had over a million dollars in the bank. He got the money from the
churches
he visited - he'd try to fleece us dry! He would tell us that we needed
to
give money in order to receive it from God. Well he came back three times
and each time he raked in over five thousand dollars from church members!
But as he got richer, we just got poorer. The last sermon this man
preached, he said that we were "coming out in style" and that God was
going
to give us all of our monetary dreams if we would just "name it and claim
it."
My husband "named and claimed" three million dollars that night, but it
didn't come. I didn't expect it to - I was sick of this church and its
false teachings. I saw what it was doing to our oldest daughter - she was
8
at the time and becoming rebellious, insolent, etc. After a year went by
and that money didn't come, my husband started seeing a "Christian
counselor" who also happened to be a woman. She told him that I was
somehow
holding him back, so he "named and claimed" a new wife (all behind my
back!).
I didn't even see it coming until I came home one night and my 8 year old
daughter was sitting out on the porch with the baby screaming in her arms
and the other two children sobbing beside her. My husband, who told me
that
he would watch the kids that night while I went grocery shopping, had LEFT
instead and locked the children outside!!! When I opened up the house, it
was completely ransacked. Everything of value was gone (including my
baby's
crib, which my father had made by hand, and all of the baby's new
clothes!).
I later learned that he pawned things to finance his trip, WITH THE
"CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR" to Florida!
He filed for divorce a few months ago but I am fighting it. I don't want
a
divorce, I want him to get right with God! He wants nothing to do with
his
children and is living in sin on some boat down in the Keys with the
"Christian counselor." When I went to the Charismatic pastor about it, he
told me to give him the divorce and claim a new husband, for God would
provide! I left the church that day, and that has nearly been a year ago.
The children and I have moved back with my father (who is a devoted
Christian and opened his arms and house up to us right away) because we
could not afford the house payments and we are attending a BIBLE-PREACHING
church finally. I still pray for my husband...
As you can see, what has been said about the Charismatic movement on your
site is absolutely true. It is a wicked, evil perversion of the Word of
God. I am just glad that my eyes have been opened to see this. Keep
preaching the truth, for that is what this dying world needs to hear.
Amen.
In Christ Jesus,
Mrs. S R
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| User: "j w" |
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25 Nov 2004 08:03:12 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 21:03:30 -0000, "u2 fan" <20806@aha.no> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"name and claim" how bizzare ... Let's assume a few things ...
who has "power" on this earth to provide evil ? Satan ...
claiming $3M seems like excessive greed and selfishness ( satan )
Oh, really? How much would YOU spend to open a small neighborhood
clinic or library?
You can ALWAYS find a negative angle if you try hard enough.
, no doubt
the money would be used for pleasure
"No doubt." At least we know where YOUR values are.
claiming a "new" wife seems like adultery ( satan )
That was the woman's point. You ARE dull.
deception from the "charismatic" preacher ( satan )
That was the woman's point. You ARE dull.
all satan so far ...
You keep forgetting to say, in your opinion.
a satanic "church" empowered by sin ... why be suprised at all, it was
prophesied 2000 years ago
Tell the Pentecostal (Pretenders) that.
Mt7v15-23 look at the FRUIT of that "church" = lots of greedy people hungry
for $$$, they have been decevied by false Christs ( Mt 24v5 )
"Christs" that provide all a persons SINFUL desires
Well, let's suppose that this person was praying for the $3 million
for a new church complex. Would THAT make a difference?
Dr. Robert Schuller, (Crystal Cathedral), a friend of a friend, prayed
for some $20 million to build a church that would survive an 8.0
earthquake (I believe that's the correct number). God put on his heart
that a building/church built of crystal would be the most likely to
withstand such a natural disaster.
It was Dr. Schuller's vision that should "the big one" strike Los
Angeles, and LEVEL the city, the one building that would remain
standing would be
a church.
The Crystal Cathedral was born.
A real tragity is unbelievers can get drawn into these cults and think they
are saved, they only read their bible when "preacher" tells them to open it
hence they have no idea about what it really means to know Christ,
If you have watched the false prophets Benny Hinn and Rod Parsley with
anywhere near the regularity that I have (to monitor the enemy), both
Benny and Rod REGULARLY FORBID their drones to bring Bibles into the
service. "You don't NEED to monitor what I preach! I preach straight
from the lips of the Holy Ghost!"
And the drones believe it. I have YET to meet a Pretender who knew
the Bible. If they were truly Bible students, they wouldn't be
pretenders. They go to "church" to receive a miracle. As Oral taught,
"Expect a miracle."
And that is all they are receiving. False miracles.
they know
a "Christ" that promises money and pleasure and we act suprised unbelivers
are hungry for that, we should not act suprised.
Who is surprised? I am not. I have been preaching against the
pretenders ( to deaf ears, I might add) for 20 years.
You'll note many false churches don't tell people to repent but just "follow
a money Christ" ( mammon )
As the New Testament accurately predicted.
jw
ie a prayer saying "I'll chase the money Christ for the rest of my life
faithfullly expecting my account to have $1M" etc...
It is a common set up ...
Find out peoples needs, promise "god" can solve their problems, and bring
them in ...
make them feel they are doing the right thing ie "putting money on the altar
is the way to manipulate god to do his stuff"
It is a tragety that people follow these demons and never know the real
Christ.
"Many will come in my name" Mt 24v5
Thankfully we can be assured the Lord will save the day.
Who knows 1000 nukes later and a few $T poorer and we may see Jesus.
"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30ml56F3318dkU1@uni-berlin.de...
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
Subject:
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
I have enjoyed your site for quite some time and have downloaded it so I
could read over and over again. You have many powerful testimonies - I am
especially delighted to see that you are taking a stand against the
Charismatic movement and its false doctrines. Believe me, I can say that
because I used to be a member of a Charismatic church, and it was
horrible.
When I went into the church five years ago, I had a wonderful husband and
three lovely children all under the age of six. We had moved to another
town and the only two churches available within reasonable driving
distance:
Methodist and Charismatic. My husband wanted to go to the Charismatic
church, and despite misgivings I said okay. After all, I thought all
churches were practically the same, so what difference would it make?
Unfortunately, there was a HUGE difference although we didn't notice it
right away. The tongues thing really bothered me, but my husband thought
that this was really a sign from God and how wonderful it all was. The
people were exceptionally friendly to us (AT THE TIME) - it was really
like
a cult, now that I think about it.
After the birth of our fourth child two years ago, the pastor brought in
an
"evangelist" who had a "new word from God" for the congregation. This was
my introduction to the "prosperity gospel." The "preacher" told us that
it
was God's will for all of us to be rich. He himself drove a Cadillac and
had over a million dollars in the bank. He got the money from the
churches
he visited - he'd try to fleece us dry! He would tell us that we needed
to
give money in order to receive it from God. Well he came back three times
and each time he raked in over five thousand dollars from church members!
But as he got richer, we just got poorer. The last sermon this man
preached, he said that we were "coming out in style" and that God was
going
to give us all of our monetary dreams if we would just "name it and claim
it."
My husband "named and claimed" three million dollars that night, but it
didn't come. I didn't expect it to - I was sick of this church and its
false teachings. I saw what it was doing to our oldest daughter - she was
8
at the time and becoming rebellious, insolent, etc. After a year went by
and that money didn't come, my husband started seeing a "Christian
counselor" who also happened to be a woman. She told him that I was
somehow
holding him back, so he "named and claimed" a new wife (all behind my
back!).
I didn't even see it coming until I came home one night and my 8 year old
daughter was sitting out on the porch with the baby screaming in her arms
and the other two children sobbing beside her. My husband, who told me
that
he would watch the kids that night while I went grocery shopping, had LEFT
instead and locked the children outside!!! When I opened up the house, it
was completely ransacked. Everything of value was gone (including my
baby's
crib, which my father had made by hand, and all of the baby's new
clothes!).
I later learned that he pawned things to finance his trip, WITH THE
"CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR" to Florida!
He filed for divorce a few months ago but I am fighting it. I don't want
a
divorce, I want him to get right with God! He wants nothing to do with
his
children and is living in sin on some boat down in the Keys with the
"Christian counselor." When I went to the Charismatic pastor about it, he
told me to give him the divorce and claim a new husband, for God would
provide! I left the church that day, and that has nearly been a year ago.
The children and I have moved back with my father (who is a devoted
Christian and opened his arms and house up to us right away) because we
could not afford the house payments and we are attending a BIBLE-PREACHING
church finally. I still pray for my husband...
As you can see, what has been said about the Charismatic movement on your
site is absolutely true. It is a wicked, evil perversion of the Word of
God. I am just glad that my eyes have been opened to see this. Keep
preaching the truth, for that is what this dying world needs to hear.
Amen.
In Christ Jesus,
Mrs. S R
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| Title: Re: PROSPERITY GOSPEL TESTIMONIAL. |
26 Nov 2004 02:00:25 PM |
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Well, let's suppose that this person was praying for the $3 million
for a new church complex. Would THAT make a difference?
every difference
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| User: "j w" |
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26 Nov 2004 08:04:18 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:00:25 -0000, "u2 fan" <20806@aha.no> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Well, let's suppose that this person was praying for the $3 million
for a new church complex. Would THAT make a difference?
every difference
Then we agree; so may I recommend that you do not judge the person for
asking for $50 million dollars before you know where the $50 million
is going.
If it's going into cancer research, I'd send my $10 without a blink.
jw
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| User: "j w" |
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26 Nov 2004 08:09:16 PM |
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:00:25 -0000, "u2 fan" <20806@aha.no> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Well, let's suppose that this person was praying for the $3 million
for a new church complex. Would THAT make a difference?
every difference
To make a 2nd point, I came over to see my mom during my university
days, and she was writing a check. I asked her who she was sending
money to, and she said she'd been watching Jim Bakker, and he had
asked for $5 million "to buy Chinese Bibles for Chinese believers who
had no access to Bibles."
I objected; she was on a Social Security income. She insisted she'd do
without food to buy Bibles for the Chinese. She was also paying for my
schooling, and I was concerned that she was burning both ends.
She went ahead and sent her (undisclosed amount) check to Jim Bakker.
Fortunately she died before he got busted. It would have broken her
heart. When his books were examined, I noted one reference in
particular. He'd taken in some $10 million "for Chinese Bibles", but
not 1 penny had been spent for Bibles.
What had he bought? More Rolls Royces, a new mansion, a new pleasure
yacht, etc.
My anger was soothed by understanding that Jim Bakker would pay DEARLY
for such, but that my mother's heart would be blessed for her effort.
jw
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| User: "Bible Studies with Satan" |
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27 Nov 2004 01:44:44 PM |
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David Matthieu P.P. wrote:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
Subject:
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
I have enjoyed your site for quite some time and have downloaded it so I
could read over and over again. You have many powerful testimonies - I am
especially delighted to see that you are taking a stand against the
Charismatic movement and its false doctrines. Believe me, I can say that
because I used to be a member of a Charismatic church, and it was horrible.
Camel, needle.
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| User: "u2 fan" |
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25 Nov 2004 03:47:49 PM |
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They will worship the image of the beast ... Rev 13
Who knows maybe all these TV evangelists are numbbing the public into image
worship.
Knowledge gain ( Dan 12 )
People like gaining knowledge ... yet knowledge can be "study" or
"experience"
Faster knowledge gain is done these days through Web / Tv etc...
Watching the TV evangelists one could obtain many "techniques" of god
manipulation, yet it's all so "lifeless"
..... Rev 13
Communication is now global ... a few years back all you'd know was the
folks in your town / city
Satan uses "prosperity" gospel most effectively through global means, it the
medium that is empty of experience and full of knowledge and promise.
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A Parable
Little John lives in a green field with blue skys and sunshine everyday,
suddenly a Plasma screen drops down from the sky.
John now sees many things beyond his green field and blue sky, things that
seduce him and his sinful nature.
John climbs up the mountain and sees the grey concrete city in the distance
and all the night lights and glossy people, he is seduced by immorality and
greed
John runs to the city and becomes a SLAVE of sin.
( John was better off in the green field and blue sky )
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25 Nov 2004 04:50:18 PM |
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"u2 fan" <20806@aha.no> wrote in message
news:co5ju6$fue$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
They will worship the image of the beast ... Rev 13
Who knows maybe all these TV evangelists are numbbing the public into
image
worship.
There is one verse that does not seem to fit the universal state of
spiritual deception depicted in the book of Revelation by Saint John.
According to the popular interpretation of Revelation 13: 15, men will be
forced to worship the image of the beast. This explanation supported by many
famous Pastors is in absolute contradiction with the other verses written by
Saint John who clearly stated that deceived by false miracles men will
worship the beast.
Rv:13:15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that
the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would
not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
As all reader can see in some version of the Bible this important part of
the above verse is translated "would not worship", this may not be evident
but there is a difference between "do not worship" and "would not worship".
The nuance may not be clear for all yet, so first let us place Rev 13: 15 in
context:
Rv 13:13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from
heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them
that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which
had the wound by a sword, and did live.
These verses precceding Rv 13:15 clearly explain that those who dwell on the
earth will be deceived through miracles and great wonders. As I have also
explained in other posts, in the verse Rv 13:15 the worship of the
beast is directly linked to preaching.
The Lord Jesus Christ said in Jn:10:27: "My sheep hear my Voice,
and I know them, and they follow me." In John 10:5 we can also
read these words of Jesus: "And a stranger will they not follow,
but will flee from him: for they know not the Voice of strangers."
That Voice which is not preaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ should be
ignored. We need to be careful not to listen to that Voice the Holy
Scriptures have been warning us to stay away from. The prophecy of the book
of Daniel also warned us concerning that Voice:
Dan 7:11. I beheld then BECAUSE OF THE VOICE OF THE GREAT
WORDS WHICH THE HORN SPAKE: I beheld even till the beast
was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Specifically in the Chapter 13 of the book of Revelation Saint John wrote
about the Voice of the Beast, even though having two horns like a Lamb, he
"spoke" like a Dragon. The scriptures are warning us to always be on guard
and not to listen to that Voice. Furthermore as we can also read in the same
chapter 13 of the Book of Revealtion that the Voice of the Beast is uttering
blasphemies.
Rv:13:5: AND THERE WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM A MOUTH
SPEAKING GREAT THINGS and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given
unto him to CONTINUE forty and two months.
6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme
his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and
to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues, and nations.
When we compare the above verses of Rv13: to Dan 7:25 we realize
that these passages are conveying exactly the same message using
slightly different wording. When juxtaposed, Dan 7:25 and these
verses of Rev 13 are giving us some amazing insights about this end
time event we are discussing.
Dan:7:25: And HE SHALL SPEAK GREAT WORDS AGAINST
THE MOST HIGH, and shall wear out the saints of the most
High, and think to change times and laws:and they shall be given
into his hand UNTIL a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is in the chapter 13 of the book of Revelation that Saint John wrote
the specific verse 15 disclosing valuable information and clarifying
the prophetic verses we have consulted above. I pasted again below the
literal translation of the verse 15 with reference numbers from the Lexicon
of Strong:
Rev: 13:15. And was given to it to give |4151| A SPIRIT
to the image of the beast, that even |2980| could
SPEAK the image of the beast, and might make as many
as not would worship the image of the beast,
that {they} be killed. (Literal Bible with Strong's numbers)
Strong's Ref. # 4151 Romanized pneuma, pronounced
pnyoo'-mah from GSN4154; a current of air, i.e. breath
(blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit,
i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital
principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an
angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit,
the Holy Spirit:
KJV--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind.
I repeat again in the literal translation with the reference # 4151 of the
Strong Concordance it is clear that a "spirit" is associated with the
worship of the beast. Let read again the Reference #2980 of
the Greek lexicon of Strong:
Strong's Ref. # 2980 Romanized laleo, pronounced lal-eh'-o
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk,
i.e. utter words:
KJV--preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.
Saint John is not the only one disclosing that the spirit of the cult of the
beast will use his Voice to preach, in 2Cor:11:4 we also have
the testimony of the Apostle Paul warning us that the Voice of the beast
shall change the original Gospel and preach another Gospel.
Further more Saint Paul foretold, that Voice will even preach another Jesus,
the Apostle confirmed that another spirit will be received
by the Churches as it is also divulged by Saint John in Rv 13:15. The Voice
of the Beast is speaking blasphemy against God, calling unclean
spirits of devils Holy Spirit of God and preaching doctrines of devils.
Because of the great wonders and the fact that the Voice of the beast will
deceitfully preach the Gospel, as many as who"would not worship" the beast
shall receive the Anointing of Delusion and Death. The Voice of the Beast
will completely distort the Gospel Old and New Testament, changing the
commandments of God and deviously manipulating the timing of important
events such as Crucifiixion, Resurrection, Reign of Christ, Tribulation and
Rapture etc. As prophesied in the books of Daniel and Revelation the Voice
of the Beast shall deceive and control the whole Church in it's entirety and
the Saints shall be given into his Hands "until" a time and times and the
dividing of time.
Rv:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose
names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world.
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25 Nov 2004 02:30:19 PM |
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 13:04:18 -0500, "David Matthieu P.P."
<johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/took.txt
Subject:
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 13:27:37 -0500
From: SR
To:
I have enjoyed your site for quite some time and have downloaded it so I
could read over and over again. You have many powerful testimonies - I am
especially delighted to see that you are taking a stand against the
Charismatic movement and its false doctrines. Believe me, I can say that
because I used to be a member of a Charismatic church, and it was horrible.
When I went into the church five years ago, I had a wonderful husband and
three lovely children all under the age of six. We had moved to another
town and the only two churches available within reasonable driving distance:
Methodist and Charismatic. My husband wanted to go to the Charismatic
church, and despite misgivings I said okay. After all, I thought all
churches were practically the same, so what difference would it make?
Unfortunately, there was a HUGE difference although we didn't notice it
right away. The tongues thing really bothered me, but my husband thought
that this was really a sign from God and how wonderful it all was. The
people were exceptionally friendly to us (AT THE TIME) - it was really like
a cult, now that I think about it.
After the birth of our fourth child two years ago, the pastor brought in an
"evangelist" who had a "new word from God" for the congregation. This was
my introduction to the "prosperity gospel." The "preacher" told us that it
was God's will for all of us to be rich. He himself drove a Cadillac and
had over a million dollars in the bank. He got the money from the churches
he visited - he'd try to fleece us dry! He would tell us that we needed to
give money in order to receive it from God. Well he came back three times
and each time he raked in over five thousand dollars from church members!
But as he got richer, we just got poorer. The last sermon this man
preached, he said that we were "coming out in style" and that God was going
to give us all of our monetary dreams if we would just "name it and claim
it."
My husband "named and claimed" three million dollars that night, but it
didn't come. I didn't expect it to - I was sick of this church and its
false teachings. I saw what it was doing to our oldest daughter - she was 8
at the time and becoming rebellious, insolent, etc. After a year went by
and that money didn't come, my husband started seeing a "Christian
counselor" who also happened to be a woman. She told him that I was somehow
holding him back, so he "named and claimed" a new wife (all behind my
back!).
I didn't even see it coming until I came home one night and my 8 year old
daughter was sitting out on the porch with the baby screaming in her arms
and the other two children sobbing beside her. My husband, who told me that
he would watch the kids that night while I went grocery shopping, had LEFT
instead and locked the children outside!!! When I opened up the house, it
was completely ransacked. Everything of value was gone (including my baby's
crib, which my father had made by hand, and all of the baby's new clothes!).
I later learned that he pawned things to finance his trip, WITH THE
"CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR" to Florida!
He filed for divorce a few months ago but I am fighting it. I don't want a
divorce, I want him to get right with God! He wants nothing to do with his
children and is living in sin on some boat down in the Keys with the
"Christian counselor." When I went to the Charismatic pastor about it, he
told me to give him the divorce and claim a new husband, for God would
provide! I left the church that day, and that has nearly been a year ago.
The children and I have moved back with my father (who is a devoted
Christian and opened his arms and house up to us right away) because we
could not afford the house payments and we are attending a BIBLE-PREACHING
church finally. I still pray for my husband...
When I first moved to Seattle in the early 80s, there was a famous
"pentecostal church in a nearby "burgh" called "Burien", which is
where I believe Teresita lives.
I forget the name of the church, but it was infamous with the local
REAL Christian congregations, and I was taught that Pastor Barnett was
a "kook". He was, and a devout follower of Oral Roberts (this was back
in the days BEFORE Benny Hinn and Rod Parsley emerged as HUGE icons).
I finally worked up my nerve to go visit Pastor Barnett's church, and
he was preaching that Sunday about how Jesus was a mere mortal until
he was baptized and received "God via the Holy Ghost."
He further elaborated that when Jesus died, God LEFT him, and a
MAN--moral all the way-- died.
He further explained that the blood of Jesus had NO power; it was
merely a man's blood, meaning we are NOT forgiven, but that each of
has to "work out our own salvation."
I left that cult church with a new appreciation of how far the
pretenders have deviated from the true gospel.
--
A few years later, a HUGE scandal broke. Pastor Barnett was not only
teaching and preaching that adultery was perfectly acceptable,
he DEMANDED that each couple in the church OPENLY SWING (exchange
spouses FOR SEX), and that they swing DURING church.
Those who protested were threatened with "excommunication" from the
"only Real Church" (his).
Any Sunday, any Wednesday, any day the church was open for services,
you could drive by and see 50 cars parked in the parking lot, and the
couples would "divide" and copulate. I can imagine the bumper stickers
on those cars, "If this car's a rockin', don't bother knockin'." as
the "couples" would retire to their autos in the parking lots for
illicit sex.
I drove by several times, out of curiosity, and I DID see "rocking
cars" and vans, and I saw probably half-a-dozen couples at a glance,
on the sidewalks, leaning against the church building, even on the
church's front steps, making out OPENLY, and OPENLY groping each
other. I knew that these "couples" were NOT married to one another,
and that made me ill.
While I don't doubt that many men/women have such FANTASIES, to preach
that as not only normal, acceptable, but REQUIRED behavior for
Christians was simply too bizarre to believe. Even the reporters on
TV were shaking their heads and "tsk tsking", and saying "strange!"
and "That's one church my family WON'T be visiting!"
After some 50 couples had divorced for being unable to handle this
OPEN adulterous spouse swapping AT CHURCH, a hundred or more lawsuits
were filed. "Pastor Barnett" was defrocked, he and the elders were
sued for MILLIONS, and I believe the church was closed down.
Teresita might be able to fill in some details on this.
I continue to be AMAZED by the shenanigans pulled by the pretenders in
the name of God.
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