| Topic: |
Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Vera Six" |
| Date: |
08 Feb 2004 12:29:45 AM |
| Object: |
Psa 119:105-112; Matthew 6:9-13 |
Psa 119:105-112 (KJV)
NUN.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
I have sworn,
and I will perform it,
that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
I am afflicted very much:
quicken me, O LORD,
according unto thy word.
Accept, I beseech thee,
the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD,
and teach me thy judgments.
My soul is continually in my hand:
yet do I not forget thy law.
The wicked have laid a snare for me:
yet I erred not from thy precepts.
Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever:
for they are the rejoicing of my heart.
I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes always,
even unto the end.
I would like to share what a Sister at my church has said today.
If we turn to Your light, we reflect it - but we have to turn to
you, ask for your will.
Mat 6:9-13
Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory,
for ever.
Amen.
Let us light candles ...
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* Growing Deeper *
** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
*** http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ***
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| User: "Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Psa 119:105-112; Matthew 6:9-13 |
08 Feb 2004 08:32:25 AM |
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"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04lak$12r3ae$6@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
Psa 119:105-112 (KJV)
NUN.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
I have sworn,
and I will perform it,
that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
I am afflicted very much:
quicken me, O LORD,
according unto thy word.
Accept, I beseech thee,
the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD,
and teach me thy judgments.
My soul is continually in my hand:
yet do I not forget thy law.
The wicked have laid a snare for me:
yet I erred not from thy precepts.
Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever:
for they are the rejoicing of my heart.
I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes always,
even unto the end.
I would like to share what a Sister at my church has said today.
If we turn to Your light, we reflect it - but we have to turn to
you, ask for your will.
Mat 6:9-13
Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory,
for ever.
Amen.
Let us light candles ...
() () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () ()
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--
* Growing Deeper *
** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
*** http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ***
Ever read this?
Miracles Do Happen........
The brand new pastor and his wife, newly assigned to their first
ministry, to reopen a church in urban Brooklyn, arrived in early October
excited about their opportunities. When they saw their church, it Was very
run down and needed much work. They set a goal to have everything done in
time to have their first service on Christmas Eve. They worked hard,
repairing pews, plastering walls, painting, etc., and on Dec. 18 were ahead
of schedule and just about finished. On DEC 19 a terrible tempest -a
driving rainstorm hit the area and lasted for two days. On the 21st, the
pastor went over to the church. His heart sunk when he saw that the roof
had leaked, causing a large area of plaster about 6 feet by 8 feet to fall
off the front wall of the sanctuary just behind the pulpit, beginning about
head high. The pastor cleaned up the mess on the floor, and not knowing
what else to do but postpone the Christmas Eve service, headed home. On the
way he noticed that a local business was having a flea market type sale for
charity so he stopped in. One of the items was a beautiful, handmade, ivory
colored, crocheted table cloth with exquisite work, fine colors and a cross
embroidered right in the center. It was just the right size to cover up the
hole in the front wall. He bought it and headed back to the church. By this
time it had started to snow. An older woman running from the opposite
direction was trying to catch the bus. She missed it. The pastor invited
her to wait in the warm church for the next bus 45 minutes later.
She sat in a pew and paid no attention to the pastor while he got a
ladder, hangers, etc., to put up the tablecloth as a wall tapestry. The
pastor could hardly believe how beautiful it looked and it covered up the
entire problem area. Then he noticed the woman walking down the center
aisle. Her face was like a sheet. "Pastor," she asked, "Where did you get
that tablecloth?" The pastor explained. The woman asked him to check the
lower right corner to
see if the initials, EBG were crocheted into it there. They were. These
were the initials of the woman, and she had made this tablecloth 35 years
before, in Austria.
The woman could hardly believe it as the pastor told how he had just
gotten the tablecloth. The woman explained that before the war she and her
husband were well-to-do people in Austria. When the Nazis came, she was
forced to leave. Her husband was going to follow her the next week. She
was captured, sent to prison and never saw her husband or her home again.
The pastor wanted to give her the tablecloth; but she made the pastor keep
it for the church. The pastor insisted on driving her home, that was the
least he could do. She lived on the other side of Staten Island and was only
in Brooklyn for the day for a housecleaning job. What a wonderful service
they had on Christmas Eve. The church was almost full. The music and the
spirit were great. At the end of the service, the pastor and his wife
greeted everyone at the door and many said that they would return. One
older man, whom the pastor recognized from the neighborhood, continued to
sit in one of the pews and stare, and the pastor wondered why he wasn't
leaving. The man asked him where he got the tablecloth on the front wall
because it was identical to one that his wife had made years ago when they
lived in Austria before the war and how could there be two tablecloths so
much alike?
He told the pastor how the Nazis came, how he forced his wife to
flee for her safety, and he was supposed to follow her, but he was arrested
and put in a concentration camp. He never saw his wife or his home again for
all the 35 years in between. The pastor asked him if he would allow him to
take him for a little ride. They drove to Staten Island and to the same
house where the pastor had taken the woman three days earlier. He helped the
man climb the three flights of stairs to the woman's apartment, knocked on
the door and he saw the greatest Christmas reunion he could ever imagine.
Yours truly in Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder:Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA for tax exemptions.
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
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| User: "Vera Six" |
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| Title: Re: Psa 119:105-112; Matthew 6:9-13 |
08 Feb 2004 09:17:47 AM |
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"Raymond" <NOSPAM-rwknapp@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:40264884$1_2@rain.i-cable.com...
"Vera Six" <verasix@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:c04lak$12r3ae$6@ID-223228.news.uni-berlin.de...
Psa 119:105-112 (KJV)
NUN.
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
I have sworn,
and I will perform it,
that I will keep thy righteous judgments.
I am afflicted very much:
quicken me, O LORD,
according unto thy word.
Accept, I beseech thee,
the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD,
and teach me thy judgments.
My soul is continually in my hand:
yet do I not forget thy law.
The wicked have laid a snare for me:
yet I erred not from thy precepts.
Thy testimonies have I taken as an heritage for ever:
for they are the rejoicing of my heart.
I have inclined mine heart to perform thy statutes always,
even unto the end.
I would like to share what a Sister at my church has said today.
If we turn to Your light, we reflect it - but we have to turn to
you, ask for your will.
Mat 6:9-13
Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts,
as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory,
for ever.
Amen.
Let us light candles ...
() () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () ()
|| || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || ||
() () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () () ()
|| || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || || ||
() () () () () () () () () ()
|| || || || || || || || || ||
--
* Growing Deeper *
** Where Jesus is Lord ... **
*** http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ***
Ever read this?
Miracles Do Happen........
The brand new pastor and his wife, newly assigned to their first
ministry, to reopen a church in urban Brooklyn, arrived in early October
excited about their opportunities. When they saw their church, it Was very
run down and needed much work. They set a goal to have everything done in
time to have their first service on Christmas Eve. They worked hard,
repairing pews, plastering walls, painting, etc., and on Dec. 18 were ahead
of schedule and just about finished. On DEC 19 a terrible tempest -a
driving rainstorm hit the area and lasted for two days. On the 21st, the
pastor went over to the church. His heart sunk when he saw that the roof
had leaked, causing a large area of plaster about 6 feet by 8 feet to fall
off the front wall of the sanctuary just behind the pulpit, beginning about
head high. The pastor cleaned up the mess on the floor, and not knowing
what else to do but postpone the Christmas Eve service, headed home. On the
way he noticed that a local business was having a flea market type sale for
charity so he stopped in. One of the items was a beautiful, handmade, ivory
colored, crocheted table cloth with exquisite work, fine colors and a cross
embroidered right in the center. It was just the right size to cover up the
hole in the front wall. He bought it and headed back to the church. By this
time it had started to snow. An older woman running from the opposite
direction was trying to catch the bus. She missed it. The pastor invited
her to wait in the warm church for the next bus 45 minutes later.
She sat in a pew and paid no attention to the pastor while he got a
ladder, hangers, etc., to put up the tablecloth as a wall tapestry. The
pastor could hardly believe how beautiful it looked and it covered up the
entire problem area. Then he noticed the woman walking down the center
aisle. Her face was like a sheet. "Pastor," she asked, "Where did you get
that tablecloth?" The pastor explained. The woman asked him to check the
lower right corner to
see if the initials, EBG were crocheted into it there. They were. These
were the initials of the woman, and she had made this tablecloth 35 years
before, in Austria.
The woman could hardly believe it as the pastor told how he had just
gotten the tablecloth. The woman explained that before the war she and her
husband were well-to-do people in Austria. When the Nazis came, she was
forced to leave. Her husband was going to follow her the next week. She
was captured, sent to prison and never saw her husband or her home again.
The pastor wanted to give her the tablecloth; but she made the pastor keep
it for the church. The pastor insisted on driving her home, that was the
least he could do. She lived on the other side of Staten Island and was only
in Brooklyn for the day for a housecleaning job. What a wonderful service
they had on Christmas Eve. The church was almost full. The music and the
spirit were great. At the end of the service, the pastor and his wife
greeted everyone at the door and many said that they would return. One
older man, whom the pastor recognized from the neighborhood, continued to
sit in one of the pews and stare, and the pastor wondered why he wasn't
leaving. The man asked him where he got the tablecloth on the front wall
because it was identical to one that his wife had made years ago when they
lived in Austria before the war and how could there be two tablecloths so
much alike?
He told the pastor how the Nazis came, how he forced his wife to
flee for her safety, and he was supposed to follow her, but he was arrested
and put in a concentration camp. He never saw his wife or his home again for
all the 35 years in between. The pastor asked him if he would allow him to
take him for a little ride. They drove to Staten Island and to the same
house where the pastor had taken the woman three days earlier. He helped the
man climb the three flights of stairs to the woman's apartment, knocked on
the door and he saw the greatest Christmas reunion he could ever imagine.
Yours truly in Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder:Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA for tax exemptions.
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
Hi Raymond,
what a sweet story...
Now you have me crying. A story to melt every heart...
Wonderful. Thank you.
I thank the Lord that I met you.
In Him,
Vera
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| User: "David Matthieu P.P." |
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| Title: Re: A CULT ON USENET |
09 Feb 2004 02:17:53 PM |
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"oldwetdog" <old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet> wrote in message
news:102be2iho75tqdd@corp.supernews.com...
Vera Six wrote:
Hi people around,
<massive snip>
Warning: There is a Cult operating on Usenet!
--------------------------------------------
This is a Repost of "It Happened on ACC"
URL to google archive:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10240pepe8t9i84%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
-----
You may also want to see: "Subject: Examples of Ridicule"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10251sms41a4m5a%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
------
You may also want to see: "subject: Example of a Cult Gang Bang"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1024ll51et99la6%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
------
You may also want to see: "subject: The Cult and False Prophets"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1025tcmh820otcf%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
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From: oldwetdog <old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: IT HAPPENED ON ACC !
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:47:46 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
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google archive: O yes please!
It happened on ACC!
"A Cult on alt.christnet.christianlife"
"A Cult opperates on Usenet"
"A News Group Cult"
"usenet cult"
Griz and his cult had a good thing going. They were making progress in
recruiting members, and the group was growing, they were making progress
toward fulfilling the "Vision." Then problems started to mount. DMPP
would not quit. M&BT arrived and brought the situation to a critical
level. Then CULL arrived, and new members were asking questions.
A new "recruit" suddenly declined membership in the gang, and began to
question Griz. A second person demanded Griz's accountability. Then
others began questioning the "leadership." Griz could not prove himself
innocent, and every effort lead to defeat or embarrassment.
The leadership team met to discuss options. It was decided to fake the
departure of two or three members to win sympathy from a few of the
weaker/non-participating members of the Cult. This brought in some new
solders. This 'fake retreat' also gave ammunition to hurl at those who
did not approve of the Cult's methods. Still, the rebellion against Griz
and his Cult did not abate.
The leadership met and agreed to "surrender" to the demands of their
"attackers." A false surrender was arranged. Then, on January 8, 2004,
when Griz had "retreated from the field," all the gang members attacked
those who thought "they" had won freedom from Griz's dictatorship. The
most visible target was OWD. He had just posted two articles, "Control"
and "Context," which Griz could not answer. All the "Building Crew"
attacked AD HOMINEM! The Building Crew also attacked their old enemies
and reopened all the old wounds.
Then Vera began to attack acting like DMPP and M&BT: Attack, attack, but
reply to none. The Building Crew, of course, protected her: "Leave her
alone, she is hurt and angry, she'll work it out in a couple of days."
Then Vera posts, "No, I'm not angry... I'm exercising my freedom." For
most of the day, there was all this freedom, filled with rampant anger,
freedom used as an opportunity to vent anger and hate.
This Conspiracy by Griz, Vera and the "Building Crew" was two sided:
First, revenge--we will attack them just as they have attacked us, and
prove that freedom makes it impossible to manage the NG. Second, make
them beg Griz to return.
However, this "change" in (or surrender of) leadership was also
something else: "shift of focus." It took everyone's eyes off the
accusations Griz could not disprove. Still, if Griz was wrong before the
"change," then even if he is no longer Leader/moderator of ACC, Griz is
still wrong. There has been no admission of his error; there has been no
statement that he will change his conduct or method. Clearly, Griz and
the Building Crew intend to use the same method of operation "until" or
"unless" there is a statement otherwise. In fact, this is proved by
their conduct in the hours immediately after, and the days since, "the
change."
That phony surrender has been repeated. Griz has (it is claimed)
retreated to Christnet.Christianlife, yahoo.groups and Vera's private
web site. Yet he continues as leader of the "Building Crew" (who now
wishes to be known as "The Fellowship").
Various members of the Griz Cult have faked retreats from ACC, only to
return in a few days and again begin their personal attacks using the
same methods used between Dec. 30, 2003 and Jan. 31, 2004. Various
members of the Cult have assumed false names or identities, or assumed a
NIC to act as a sock puppet and reenter ACC to wage war for the Gang.
These methods of war practiced by the Cult include:
A) False accusations and Ad Hominem attack. A member attacks, then other
members of the Cult Gang Bang (aka "dog pile")the victim. While the
Soldiers attack their victim, the "lovers" begin to preach "peace,
Peace!" And, "Why can't you just let it go?" The casual observer will
notice, however, that this loving request for peace is not made to the
soldiers of the Cult, but to their victim. Of course, as long as the
victim continues to defend him/her self they are guilty of the sin of
stubbornly refusing to end the argument.
B) The use of Slander. One member of the Gang will take something from
the victim's past (this may be a confessed fault, a medical diagnosis or
any perceived weakness) which can be used wrongfully for the purpose of
Slander. Other members will then chime in and say, "Oh, I knew there was
something wrong with [name]." The victim is now left with the option of
attempting to defend their self against slander, or allow the slander to
stand. If the victim attempts to defend, the soldiers will (as above)
gang bang the victim.
C.) When asked to supply evidence for accusations, the gang will refuse
a request for proof; and indeed one member replied, "I don't have to..."
The gang then continues their attack on the victim even though they have
refused to give evidence, since the accusation is proven by the fact
that they made it and the victim denied it.
D.) In the event that one of the Gang is caught in a lie (false
accusation is a lie), and the victim of the lie submits evidence of the
lie, the gang's soldiers will attack saying, "you have judged [name]."
Or, "This is not correction, it is Condemnation." Or, "This is nothing
but "Focus Shifting" to take our eyes off of Jesus." Or, "You are
exhibiting the sin of "the spirit of invalidation of Witness." However,
in no way will the lie, as made by the false accuser, be acknowledged or
an apology offered. In fact, should the affair be forgotten, the gang
will renew their attack on their intended victim.
E.) Gang fights are always about "we" and "you" The members of the Griz
Cult, both acknowledged and secret, will always take the side of the
Cult and defend from, or attack, those who oppose the lies, false
accusations and Gang Bang tactics of the Cult members. The members of
the Cult make it clear that protection of the Cult is more important
than the Truth of God's Word, or unity among Christians.
Please note that the most recent examples of these methods of Gang
Warfare have continued unabated since about January 8, 2004, and can in
fact be shown in practice by this witness back to October 2003. Some
witnesses testify that these tactics have been used by Griz and his Cult
for about 2 years. While the members of the Cult continue to follow
Griz, any visitor, reader or lurker, or poster in
alt.christnet.christianlife, christnet.christianlife, the Cult's home
page or their "group" in yahoo.groups should expect to see this Cult
continue its methods of gang warfare.
Members of the Cult (are; or may or may not) include:
Griz (Craig)
Pablo
Cal (CBrown7281)
Mike Barefield
Ben mitts
Brian Garrison
TBC/Aarons Rod
Frank
Vera
Jeannette/Abby
Joy (JPF)
PureJoyAgain
Delightful (Faith)
Chayil
At any time, Cult members may function as follows:
Warriors
or Peace makers
The Cult, at times, may appear to be organized as follows:
(They will have their own names for their individual office or
'position' in their "on-line church" as based on the "fivefold ministry.")
Minister: Griz
Elders: Cal, Mike
Word of Knowledge: Pablo
Prophet: fervent
The blind: Frank
Recruiter: Vera
Court Jesters: Ben mitts, TBC/Aarons Rod
The members appear to communicate with each other by:
A "Chat room" on their home page,
personal E-mail,
Instant Messenger,
and/or cell phones.
Cult members consider it their right and priviledge to "lie for Jesus."
In fact, "lying for Jesus" seems to be the rite of passage.
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Those who Love Truth search for it, those who hate Truth, lie
google is your friend
--
oldwetdog
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"Sophistry is not a system of ideas, but a vicious attitude of the
mind." Jacques Maritain
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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Beware of Vera Six AKA Vera 666 and her Cult!
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| User: "Acevedo-Kabatoff" |
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| Title: Re: A CULT ON USENET |
09 Feb 2004 01:55:22 AM |
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c065hp$12lu71$1@ID-188549.news.uni-berlin.de...
"oldwetdog" <old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet> wrote in message
news:102be2iho75tqdd@corp.supernews.com...
Vera Six wrote:
Hi people around,
<massive snip>
Warning: There is a Cult operating on Usenet!
--------------------------------------------
This is a Repost of "It Happened on ACC"
URL to google archive:
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10240pepe8t9i84%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
-----
You may also want to see: "Subject: Examples of Ridicule"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=10251sms41a4m5a%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
------
You may also want to see: "subject: Example of a Cult Gang Bang"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1024ll51et99la6%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
------
You may also want to see: "subject: The Cult and False Prophets"
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=1025tcmh820otcf%40corp.supernews.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain
---------------------------------
From: oldwetdog <old*wet*dog@netscapeD0Tnet>
Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: IT HAPPENED ON ACC !
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:47:46 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Message-ID: <10240pepe8t9i84@corp.supernews.com>
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Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4
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Lines: 174
google archive: O yes please!
It happened on ACC!
"A Cult on alt.christnet.christianlife"
"A Cult opperates on Usenet"
"A News Group Cult"
"usenet cult"
Griz and his cult had a good thing going. They were making progress in
recruiting members, and the group was growing, they were making progress
toward fulfilling the "Vision." Then problems started to mount. DMPP
would not quit. M&BT arrived and brought the situation to a critical
level. Then CULL arrived, and new members were asking questions.
A new "recruit" suddenly declined membership in the gang, and began to
question Griz. A second person demanded Griz's accountability. Then
others began questioning the "leadership." Griz could not prove himself
innocent, and every effort lead to defeat or embarrassment.
The leadership team met to discuss options. It was decided to fake the
departure of two or three members to win sympathy from a few of the
weaker/non-participating members of the Cult. This brought in some new
solders. This 'fake retreat' also gave ammunition to hurl at those who
did not approve of the Cult's methods. Still, the rebellion against Griz
and his Cult did not abate.
The leadership met and agreed to "surrender" to the demands of their
"attackers." A false surrender was arranged. Then, on January 8, 2004,
when Griz had "retreated from the field," all the gang members attacked
those who thought "they" had won freedom from Griz's dictatorship. The
most visible target was OWD. He had just posted two articles, "Control"
and "Context," which Griz could not answer. All the "Building Crew"
attacked AD HOMINEM! The Building Crew also attacked their old enemies
and reopened all the old wounds.
Then Vera began to attack acting like DMPP and M&BT: Attack, attack, but
reply to none. The Building Crew, of course, protected her: "Leave her
alone, she is hurt and angry, she'll work it out in a couple of days."
Then Vera posts, "No, I'm not angry... I'm exercising my freedom." For
most of the day, there was all this freedom, filled with rampant anger,
freedom used as an opportunity to vent anger and hate.
This Conspiracy by Griz, Vera and the "Building Crew" was two sided:
First, revenge--we will attack them just as they have attacked us, and
prove that freedom makes it impossible to manage the NG. Second, make
them beg Griz to return.
However, this "change" in (or surrender of) leadership was also
something else: "shift of focus." It took everyone's eyes off the
accusations Griz could not disprove. Still, if Griz was wrong before the
"change," then even if he is no longer Leader/moderator of ACC, Griz is
still wrong. There has been no admission of his error; there has been no
statement that he will change his conduct or method. Clearly, Griz and
the Building Crew intend to use the same method of operation "until" or
"unless" there is a statement otherwise. In fact, this is proved by
their conduct in the hours immediately after, and the days since, "the
change."
That phony surrender has been repeated. Griz has (it is claimed)
retreated to Christnet.Christianlife, yahoo.groups and Vera's private
web site. Yet he continues as leader of the "Building Crew" (who now
wishes to be known as "The Fellowship").
Various members of the Griz Cult have faked retreats from ACC, only to
return in a few days and again begin their personal attacks using the
same methods used between Dec. 30, 2003 and Jan. 31, 2004. Various
members of the Cult have assumed false names or identities, or assumed a
NIC to act as a sock puppet and reenter ACC to wage war for the Gang.
These methods of war practiced by the Cult include:
A) False accusations and Ad Hominem attack. A member attacks, then other
members of the Cult Gang Bang (aka "dog pile")the victim. While the
Soldiers attack their victim, the "lovers" begin to preach "peace,
Peace!" And, "Why can't you just let it go?" The casual observer will
notice, however, that this loving request for peace is not made to the
soldiers of the Cult, but to their victim. Of course, as long as the
victim continues to defend him/her self they are guilty of the sin of
stubbornly refusing to end the argument.
B) The use of Slander. One member of the Gang will take something from
the victim's past (this may be a confessed fault, a medical diagnosis or
any perceived weakness) which can be used wrongfully for the purpose of
Slander. Other members will then chime in and say, "Oh, I knew there was
something wrong with [name]." The victim is now left with the option of
attempting to defend their self against slander, or allow the slander to
stand. If the victim attempts to defend, the soldiers will (as above)
gang bang the victim.
C.) When asked to supply evidence for accusations, the gang will refuse
a request for proof; and indeed one member replied, "I don't have to..."
The gang then continues their attack on the victim even though they have
refused to give evidence, since the accusation is proven by the fact
that they made it and the victim denied it.
D.) In the event that one of the Gang is caught in a lie (false
accusation is a lie), and the victim of the lie submits evidence of the
lie, the gang's soldiers will attack saying, "you have judged [name]."
Or, "This is not correction, it is Condemnation." Or, "This is nothing
but "Focus Shifting" to take our eyes off of Jesus." Or, "You are
exhibiting the sin of "the spirit of invalidation of Witness." However,
in no way will the lie, as made by the false accuser, be acknowledged or
an apology offered. In fact, should the affair be forgotten, the gang
will renew their attack on their intended victim.
E.) Gang fights are always about "we" and "you" The members of the Griz
Cult, both acknowledged and secret, will always take the side of the
Cult and defend from, or attack, those who oppose the lies, false
accusations and Gang Bang tactics of the Cult members. The members of
the Cult make it clear that protection of the Cult is more important
than the Truth of God's Word, or unity among Christians.
Please note that the most recent examples of these methods of Gang
Warfare have continued unabated since about January 8, 2004, and can in
fact be shown in practice by this witness back to October 2003. Some
witnesses testify that these tactics have been used by Griz and his Cult
for about 2 years. While the members of the Cult continue to follow
Griz, any visitor, reader or lurker, or poster in
alt.christnet.christianlife, christnet.christianlife, the Cult's home
page or their "group" in yahoo.groups should expect to see this Cult
continue its methods of gang warfare.
Members of the Cult (are; or may or may not) include:
Griz (Craig)
Pablo
Cal (CBrown7281)
Mike Barefield
Ben mitts
Brian Garrison
TBC/Aarons Rod
Frank
Vera
Jeannette/Abby
Joy (JPF)
PureJoyAgain
Delightful (Faith)
Chayil
At any time, Cult members may function as follows:
Warriors
or Peace makers
The Cult, at times, may appear to be organized as follows:
(They will have their own names for their individual office or
'position' in their "on-line church" as based on the "fivefold
ministry.")
Minister: Griz
Elders: Cal, Mike
Word of Knowledge: Pablo
Prophet: fervent
The blind: Frank
Recruiter: Vera
Court Jesters: Ben mitts, TBC/Aarons Rod
The members appear to communicate with each other by:
A "Chat room" on their home page,
personal E-mail,
Instant Messenger,
and/or cell phones.
Cult members consider it their right and priviledge to "lie for Jesus."
In fact, "lying for Jesus" seems to be the rite of passage.
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Those who Love Truth search for it, those who hate Truth, lie
google is your friend
--
oldwetdog
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"Sophistry is not a system of ideas, but a vicious attitude of the
mind." Jacques Maritain
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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Beware of Vera Six AKA Vera 666 and her Cult!
David Matthieu warns us to beware of Vera Six and her cult.
Vera Six has a tremendous hatred for God's 4th Comandment,
but this is not an issue to David Matthieu. Stop David, stop
and see that you have adopted some of Vera's teachings, you
have much in common, stop fighting with your nestlings.
And see that you both likely attend phallic capped churches,
the Egyptian obelisks you place on the roofs of your churches
are no different that the penis whoreship in Hinduism and
no different tham the phallic minarettes in Islam. Stop and
see that you and Vera have much in common, please stop
fighting. You people call Adventists cultists because we
desire to try to honor God's 4th Commandment, give your
heads a shake, it is you people that have a hatred of God's
4th Commandment. And the trees that you turn into decorated
idols amount to violations of both God's First and Second
Commandments, the evergreen has been worshipped for
centuries as a fertility symbol for it remains green all year
(violation of God's First Commandment), while the balls that
you hang on it are representations of the sun and the moon
(violations of God's Second Commandment). And calling the
pagan holiday "Christmas" is a violation of God's Third
Commandment, for it is not His mass but is instead a
pagan mass commemorating the return of the sun from the
south (by December 25th it is visibly rising from the south).
Then having me tortured for years in psychiatric facilities for
saying so is nothing short of a violation of God's Sixth
Commandment. AND THEN CLOSING YOUR EVIL
GOD-DAMNED HEARTS TO THE SUFFERING THAT
YOU PEOPLE PERPETRATED UPON ME WHILE
SAYING THAT IT IS I THAT IS WITHOUT LOVE
is a violation of God's Ninth Commandment. I lost summer
after summer after summer after summer after summer
after summer after summer to psychiatric torture, and then
lost the subsequent summers as well for I grew increasingly
frantic to flee the country with each passing arrest and chemical
lobotomy, and so the subsequent summers were effectively
lost as well as I spent them in utter fear for my life while
anticipating my following arrest. You people are the *****
of the earth, you people are compassionless God-damned
turds, David, you are just as much as a cultist as Vera, and
just as compassionless. The only real compassion you
people have, is for your traditions. I begged and begged in
vain for assistance to flee Canada, it was horrendous what
the psychiatrists did to me, while you people unite in
collectively spending billions of dollars annually on turning
trees into decorated idols. You people are the God-damned
***** if the earth and I am on my knees begging God to
terminate your lives, to terminate the lives of your children,
and destroy your forests and your crops. I beg God for
viral plagues. You people consider yourselves Holy but
you people are the God-damned ***** of the earth. And
you people used my interest in math as an additional
reason to have me arrested and tortured, and when I
meet with your kids in restaurants and show them
evidence that their very names are a gift from God,
they are so cheap that they can't even offer to buy me
a cookie for my labour, nor pay me minimum wage for
my work so I that I could attempt to flee this country
on my own dime. God answer my prayers, give me
the power to smite these people. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<K1HVb.436362 You > David Matthieu warns us to beware of Vera Six and her cult.
Vera Six has a tremendous hatred for God's 4th Comandment,
but this is not an issue to David Matthieu. Stop David, stop
and see that you have adopted some of Vera's teachings, you
have much in common, stop fighting with your nestlings.
And see that you both likely attend phallic capped churches,
the Egyptian obelisks you place on the roofs of your churches
are no different that the penis whoreship in Hinduism and
no different tham the phallic minarettes in Islam. Stop and
see that you and Vera have much in common, please stop
fighting. You people call Adventists cultists because we
desire to try to honor God's 4th Commandment, give your
heads a shake, it is you people that have a hatred of God's
4th Commandment.
snipped
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Donna sez to Daryl:
A goggle search using the words David Matthieu and Sabbath
will bring up numerous posts of David Matthieu. In them, he
supports obedience to the fourth commandment.
I can not recall David ever calling Adventists cultists, either.
So, please furnish us with some documentation that supports your
accusation with an accurate quote from David. Thank you.
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp
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| User: "Raymond" |
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19 Feb 2004 09:16:59 PM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:46b06428.0402190724.7f96ec29@posting.google.com...
"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<K1HVb.436362
You > David Matthieu warns us to beware of Vera Six and her cult.
Vera Six has a tremendous hatred for God's 4th Comandment,
but this is not an issue to David Matthieu. Stop David, stop
and see that you have adopted some of Vera's teachings, you
have much in common, stop fighting with your nestlings.
And see that you both likely attend phallic capped churches,
the Egyptian obelisks you place on the roofs of your churches
are no different that the penis whoreship in Hinduism and
no different tham the phallic minarettes in Islam. Stop and
see that you and Vera have much in common, please stop
fighting. You people call Adventists cultists because we
desire to try to honor God's 4th Commandment, give your
heads a shake, it is you people that have a hatred of God's
4th Commandment.
snipped
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Donna sez to Daryl:
A goggle search using the words David Matthieu and Sabbath
will bring up numerous posts of David Matthieu. In them, he
supports obedience to the fourth commandment.
I can not recall David ever calling Adventists cultists, either.
So, please furnish us with some documentation that supports your
accusation with an accurate quote from David. Thank you.
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
Do you accept what Jesus said to do as COMMANDMENTS?
Are you a Jew?
Rev 12:10-12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,"Now salvation, and strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the
accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has
been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the
word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you,
having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." NKJV
The folks you joined up with were not in Heaven with them already saved by
the blood of the Lamb JESUS. Your with the group of Jews that rejected
Jesus and they did keep the Ten Commandments of God, and disobeyed the Lord
JESUS CHRIST!
Enjoy you rejection, you will stand in the judgment with your friendly
Jewish rejecters. and yes Woe to you and your kind. I like the bible when
it is read in context and in order, not a verse pulled out at the end and
passed off as the whole. You know you sins, you will pay for them, enjoy
the War. Those that are saved maybe looking on, from Heaven where God is,
and the Saviour. One is saved by the blood, not a day.
Raymond
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| User: "Donna Kupp" |
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20 Feb 2004 09:41:09 AM |
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"Raymond" <NOSPAM-rwknapp@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<40357cd4_1@rain.i-cable.com>...
"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:46b06428.0402190724.7f96ec29@posting.google.com...
"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<K1HVb.436362
Raymond asks Donna:
Do you accept what Jesus said to do as COMMANDMENTS?
Donna sez: If I didn't, then I would break the first
Commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Raymond asks:
Are you a Jew?
Donna sez:
I am a Gentile who is a spiritual Jew of Romans 2:28-29:
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;
neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)
Raymond wrote:
Rev 12:10-12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,"Now salvation, and strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the
accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has
been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the
word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you,
having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." NKJV
The folks you joined up with were not in Heaven with them already saved by
the blood of the Lamb JESUS. Your with the group of Jews that rejected
Jesus and they did keep the Ten Commandments of God, and disobeyed the Lord
JESUS CHRIST!
Enjoy you rejection, you will stand in the judgment with your friendly
Jewish rejecters. and yes Woe to you and your kind. I like the bible when
it is read in context and in order, not a verse pulled out at the end and
passed off as the whole. You know you sins, you will pay for them, enjoy
the War. Those that are saved maybe looking on, from Heaven where God is,
and the Saviour. One is saved by the blood, not a day.
Donna sez: It seems to me that you are the one who is falsely
accusing a believer in Jesus Christ! This is the Biblical definition
of a saint:
"Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12 (KJV)
Two factors are required of us: We must have FAITH IN JESUS
and we must OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. If you are against
the necessity of obeying The Ten Commandments, then you are
preaching another gospel than the one Jesus and the apostles
preached. Here is the proof:
JESUS COMMISSIONED HIS DISCIPLES TO BAPTIZE
AND TEACH GENTILES
TO OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS --NOT JUST THE JEWS!
Jesus Christ:
"Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS*,
baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS
whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matt 28:19-20 (KJV)
Jesus gave The Great Commission to his disciples after His
resurrection; and, they were to make disciples, or,
Christians of ALL NATIONS. (See marginal reading of KJV)
Please notice the chain of command through Jesus to The Father.
Here, Jesus said that he did not change The Father's words.
"For I have not spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore,
even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
John 12:49-50 (KJV)
Yes Indeed, Jesus, The Father and the apostles speak
these words to ALL NATIONS:
"...If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"
Matt 19:17
The scriptures and reputable reference works agree that the eleven
disciples were told to teach the Commandments of God to "ALL NATIONS"
Donna Kupp
* Nations = Gentiles
(1) "Nations (ethnos) Like the Hebrew 'goyim,' ethne: has the basic
meaning of 'nations', but also, by extension, 'foreign countries.'
And since Israel is a religious state, the word is further extended to
mean 'pagan lands.' Similarly, 'ethnikoi', which means the
'nationals'
of a certain country, is extended to mean 'foreigners' and 'pagans.'
An example of the original meaning is 'Go out and teach all nations'
(Matthew 28:19)"
(2) Strong's Greek/Hebrew Dictionary #1484; NATIONS:
1484 ethnos (eth'-nos); probably from 1486; a race (as of the same
habit),
i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by
implication, pagan):
KJV-- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
(3) Thayer's Definition #1484; NATIONS:
1484 ethnos-
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living
together; a company, a troop, a swarm
2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus,
THE HUMAN RACE
3) a race, a nation, a people, a group
4) in the Old Testament, foreign nations not worshiping the true God,
pagans, Gentiles
5) Paul uses the term for Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians
(4) Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words: GENTILES
A. Nouns.
1. ethnos ^1484^, whence Eng., "heathen," denotes, firstly, "a
multitude or company"; then, "a multitude of people of the
same
nature or genus, a nation, people";
it is used in the singular, of the Jews, e. g., <Luke 7:5; 23:2; John
11:48,50-52>; IN THE PLURAL, OF NATIONS (Heb., goiim) OTHER THAN
ISRAEL.
dk
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp
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| User: "Daryl S. Kabatoff" |
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20 Feb 2004 10:58:07 PM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:46b06428.0402200741.2a8afcbd@posting.google.com...
"Raymond" <NOSPAM-rwknapp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<40357cd4_1@rain.i-cable.com>...
"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
news:46b06428.0402190724.7f96ec29@posting.google.com...
"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<K1HVb.436362
Raymond asks Donna:
Do you accept what Jesus said to do as COMMANDMENTS?
Donna sez: If I didn't, then I would break the first
Commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Raymond asks:
Are you a Jew?
Donna sez:
I am a Gentile who is a spiritual Jew of Romans 2:28-29:
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;
neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)
Raymond wrote:
Rev 12:10-12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,"Now salvation, and
strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for
the
accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night,
has
been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by
the
word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
12
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to
you,
having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." NKJV
The folks you joined up with were not in Heaven with them already saved
by
the blood of the Lamb JESUS. Your with the group of Jews that rejected
Jesus and they did keep the Ten Commandments of God, and disobeyed the
Lord
JESUS CHRIST!
Enjoy you rejection, you will stand in the judgment with your friendly
Jewish rejecters. and yes Woe to you and your kind. I like the bible
when
it is read in context and in order, not a verse pulled out at the end
and
passed off as the whole. You know you sins, you will pay for them,
enjoy
the War. Those that are saved maybe looking on, from Heaven where God
is,
and the Saviour. One is saved by the blood, not a day.
Donna sez: It seems to me that you are the one who is falsely
accusing a believer in Jesus Christ! This is the Biblical definition
of a saint:
"Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12 (KJV)
Two factors are required of us: We must have FAITH IN JESUS
and we must OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. If you are against
the necessity of obeying The Ten Commandments, then you are
preaching another gospel than the one Jesus and the apostles
preached. Here is the proof:
JESUS COMMISSIONED HIS DISCIPLES TO BAPTIZE
AND TEACH GENTILES
TO OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS --NOT JUST THE JEWS!
Jesus Christ:
"Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS*,
baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS
whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matt 28:19-20 (KJV)
Jesus gave The Great Commission to his disciples after His
resurrection; and, they were to make disciples, or,
Christians of ALL NATIONS. (See marginal reading of KJV)
Please notice the chain of command through Jesus to The Father.
Here, Jesus said that he did not change The Father's words.
"For I have not spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore,
even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
John 12:49-50 (KJV)
Yes Indeed, Jesus, The Father and the apostles speak
these words to ALL NATIONS:
"...If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"
Matt 19:17
The scriptures and reputable reference works agree that the eleven
disciples were told to teach the Commandments of God to "ALL NATIONS"
Donna Kupp
* Nations = Gentiles
(1) "Nations (ethnos) Like the Hebrew 'goyim,' ethne: has the basic
meaning of 'nations', but also, by extension, 'foreign countries.'
And since Israel is a religious state, the word is further extended to
mean 'pagan lands.' Similarly, 'ethnikoi', which means the
'nationals'
of a certain country, is extended to mean 'foreigners' and 'pagans.'
An example of the original meaning is 'Go out and teach all nations'
(Matthew 28:19)"
(2) Strong's Greek/Hebrew Dictionary #1484; NATIONS:
1484 ethnos (eth'-nos); probably from 1486; a race (as of the same
habit),
i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by
implication, pagan):
KJV-- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
(3) Thayer's Definition #1484; NATIONS:
1484 ethnos-
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living
together; a company, a troop, a swarm
2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus,
THE HUMAN RACE
3) a race, a nation, a people, a group
4) in the Old Testament, foreign nations not worshiping the true God,
pagans, Gentiles
5) Paul uses the term for Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians
(4) Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words: GENTILES
A. Nouns.
1. ethnos ^1484^, whence Eng., "heathen," denotes, firstly, "a
multitude or company"; then, "a multitude of people of the
same
nature or genus, a nation, people";
it is used in the singular, of the Jews, e. g., <Luke 7:5; 23:2; John
11:48,50-52>; IN THE PLURAL, OF NATIONS (Heb., goiim) OTHER THAN
ISRAEL.
dk
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp
I think Donna is the wisest of the people posting in religious
usenet groups. She is absolutely devoted to Jesus Christ and
His Father, Who together have provider her with a very large
dose of Their Holy Spirit. She spends much of her time
patiently rebuking error, and does it very well. I can recognize
His gentle voice and His Spirit in Donna, I compare myself
to Donna (and Jesus dwelling in her) and see that I fall far
short. I urge people to pay greater attention to Donna.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
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"Raymond" <NOSPAM-rwknapp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Raymond asks Donna:
Do you accept what Jesus said to do as COMMANDMENTS?
Donna sez: If I didn't, then I would break the first
Commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Raymond asks:
Are you a Jew?
Donna sez:
I am a Gentile who is a spiritual Jew of Romans 2:28-29:
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;
neither is that circumcision,
which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)
So your saying your a Jew spiritual but did not obey the commandments for
circumcision?
Raymond wrote:
Rev 12:10-12
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,"Now salvation, and
strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for
the
accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night,
has
been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by
the
word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
12
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the
inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to
you,
having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." NKJV
The folks you joined up with were not in Heaven with them already saved
by
the blood of the Lamb JESUS. Your with the group of Jews that rejected
Jesus and they did keep the Ten Commandments of God, and disobeyed the
Lord
JESUS CHRIST!
Enjoy you rejection, you will stand in the judgment with your friendly
Jewish rejecters. and yes Woe to you and your kind. I like the bible
when
it is read in context and in order, not a verse pulled out at the end
and
passed off as the whole. You know you sins, you will pay for them,
enjoy
the War. Those that are saved maybe looking on, from Heaven where God
is,
and the Saviour. One is saved by the blood, not a day.
Donna sez: It seems to me that you are the one who is falsely
accusing a believer in Jesus Christ! This is the Biblical definition
of a saint:
Falsely is easy to say, only the Lord really knows. To jump to that
conclusions before you replied to my questions about being a Jew, does not
make anything I said false. They were Questions,not accusing. If the
answer were other then the way you replied, then maybe you could have a
point. A Saint is a believer in Jesus Christ. Why do you feel you needed
to explain that to a Pastor is beyond me.
"Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus." Rev 14:12 (KJV)
Really that verse does not give a definition of a saint, it gives the
definition of "patience".
Two factors are required of us: We must have FAITH IN JESUS
and we must OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. If you are against
the necessity of obeying The Ten Commandments, then you are
preaching another gospel than the one Jesus and the apostles
preached. Here is the proof:
The Commandments here are not the Jewish Ten Commandments given by Moses
from God to the Jews not spiritual Jews but physical living Israel Jews.
JESUS COMMISSIONED HIS DISCIPLES TO BAPTIZE
AND TEACH GENTILES
TO OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS --NOT JUST THE JEWS!
To all the WORLD was the commission to His disciples, then I am a Missionary
also, and been in many nations of the World preaching and teaching and
building churches, outreaches etc. as Jesus said to do, have you obeyed that
commandment?
Jesus Christ:
"Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS*,
baptizing them in the name of the Father,
and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS
whatsoever I have COMMANDED YOU:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto the end of the world. Amen."
Matt 28:19-20 (KJV)
Jesus gave The Great Commission to his disciples after His
resurrection; and, they were to make disciples, or,
Christians of ALL NATIONS. (See marginal reading of KJV)
What makes you think the KJV of my bible has marginal readings?? I have
referance bibles, that full about half a page for information on each verse,
then that is not marginal readings.
Please notice the chain of command through Jesus to The Father.
Here, Jesus said that he did not change The Father's words.
There is no such thing as Chain of Command as God is not divided with lower
take order parts, and give order parts. What kind of God do you see The
Almighty as? God is God, One God, no others, no chain in the Godhead.
You just made the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as not equal in anyway. You
got one boss and other as siblings, or worse. Why would you even think that
God would change Gods words, Jesus is God, I would suppose you do believe,
unless again a question your a Jehovah Witness and deny the deity of Jesus
Christ as only "a son".
"For I have not spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore,
even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
John 12:49-50 (KJV)
Yes Indeed, Jesus, The Father and the apostles speak
these words to ALL NATIONS:
I have no idea what got you off on this, I have no argument that the Gospel
is to reach all nations, it is part of my job to do just that. I wonder if
you even know to whom you are posting, then maybe your just new to this
newsgroup?
"...If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments"
Matt 19:17
The scriptures and reputable reference works agree that the eleven
disciples were told to teach the Commandments of God to "ALL NATIONS"
All His Commandments, JESUS commandments to the Church, not the Ten
Commandments to Isreal.
Donna Kupp
* Nations = Gentiles
(1) "Nations (ethnos) Like the Hebrew 'goyim,' ethne: has the basic
meaning of 'nations', but also, by extension, 'foreign countries.'
And since Israel is a religious state, the word is further extended to
mean 'pagan lands.' Similarly, 'ethnikoi', which means the
'nationals'
of a certain country, is extended to mean 'foreigners' and 'pagans.'
An example of the original meaning is 'Go out and teach all nations'
(Matthew 28:19)"
No apply that to verse 20 of Matthew 28: it would help matters.
(2) Strong's Greek/Hebrew Dictionary #1484; NATIONS:
1484 ethnos (eth'-nos); probably from 1486; a race (as of the same
habit),
i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by
implication, pagan):
KJV-- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
(3) Thayer's Definition #1484; NATIONS:
1484 ethnos-
1) a multitude (whether of men or of beasts) associated or living
together; a company, a troop, a swarm
2) a multitude of individuals of the same nature or genus,
THE HUMAN RACE
3) a race, a nation, a people, a group
4) in the Old Testament, foreign nations not worshiping the true God,
pagans, Gentiles
5) Paul uses the term for Gentile (non-Jewish) Christians
(4) Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words: GENTILES
A. Nouns.
1. ethnos ^1484^, whence Eng., "heathen," denotes, firstly, "a
multitude or company"; then, "a multitude of people of the
same
nature or genus, a nation, people";
it is used in the singular, of the Jews, e. g., <Luke 7:5; 23:2; John
11:48,50-52>; IN THE PLURAL, OF NATIONS (Heb., goiim) OTHER THAN
ISRAEL.
You better believe it, only what is interesting is you intent to make it
all, and then imply all that to All the Commendments fould in the whole
bible. Which to the Jews, covered all kinds of things from getting up,
eating, drinking, what to wear, how to cook, what to cook, what to do in
daily things, such as money, buying, selling. loans, fighting, killing,
murder, love, children, who is to do what, and thousands of other laws, that
they also were commanded to obey and follow. Which brings us to why Jesus
came, show them that those things in everyday life were good, as he pointed
that out to the Tithe givers in the NT. He was pointing out salvation is
not obeying laws, but in believing in Jesus the Saviour, not the ten
commandments, not the Law but JESUS Christ and His blood given on the cross
to redemn them under the law.
We are saved not by obeying commandments, but by the Grace of the Lord Jesus
Christ.
Rom 3:24-26
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in
Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through
faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had
passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at
the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier
of the one who has faith in Jesus. NKJV
1 Cor 1:29-31
29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in
Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God - and righteousness and
sanctification and redemption - 31 that, as it is written, "He who glories,
let him glory in the LORD."
NKJV
Eph 1:7-14
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in
all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the
dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one
all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth - in
Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined
according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the
counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the
praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of
your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy
Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the
redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. NKJV
dk
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
Are you the "woman" here? Do you think the "dragon" is going after you?
Was this woman to your understanding MARY the mother of Jesus, or Eve, or
the Church or what? Many believe this to not to the Christian, or the
Church as a whole, but only to them born Jews, that became believers in
Jesus Christ, and to them that did obey the Commandments for salvation till
they found Jesus, the Jews as well as the dragon did make war on them, will
make war on them. As they are seen as traitors to the Law of Moses, which
was the Jewish way to obeying God. Unless you were born a Jew, you not a
physical Jew, no matter how you cut it.
Then the Book of Revelation is not read verse by verse, it covers chapters,
as well as a good bible knowledge of the Old Testament the Book of Daniel
and others. Blessed is he that reads it and UNDERSTAND it, you play games
to pick on verse out of contents, and try to make it say what you want.
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
Which I do not think you know or have, or could even understand, one thing
for sure it has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Try the Seven or a
hundred or more proofs of what a real Christian is and one will see what the
counterfeit is. You will know them by their fruits.
Now these are the commandments to the REAL not counterfeit Christian in
Christianity. Follow them and you shall live.
Eph 4:25-5:14
Therefore, putting away lying, "Let each one of you speak truth with his
neighbor," for we are members of one another. 26 "Be angry, and do not sin":
do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28
Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with
his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for
necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do
not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of
redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking
be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another,
tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
Ephesians 5
5:1 Walk in Love
Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. 2 And walk in love, as
Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a
sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be
named among you, as is fitting for saints; 4 neither filthiness, nor foolish
talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of
thanks. 5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor
covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of
Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of
these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7
Therefore do not be partakers with them.
8 Walk in Light
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as
children of light 9(for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness,
righteousness, and truth), 10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. 11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather
expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are
done by them in secret. 13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest
by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light. 14 Therefore He says:
"Awake, you who sleep,
Arise from the dead,
And Christ will give you light."
NKJV
Do all that, and you will have one busy life in God.
Yours truly in Jesus,
Pastor Raymond W. Knapp, TH.B, D.D
Founder:Pioneers For Jesus, approved by the IRS USA for tax exemptions.
Christian Glorify Grace Church,3rd Floor, 14-16 Wo Fung Street, Luen Wo
Market,Fanling, N.T. Hong Kong China
Christian Corner Stone Church, TST, NT, Hong Kong
The services are all in Chinese except when I preach and use English with a
translator.
http://www.pioneers-for-jesus.org/Pioneers_for_Jesus/newsletters/2003/sept-2003.htm
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| User: "Raymond" |
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19 Feb 2004 09:03:15 PM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<K1HVb.436362
You > David Matthieu warns us to beware of Vera Six and her cult.
Vera Six has a tremendous hatred for God's 4th Comandment,
but this is not an issue to David Matthieu. Stop David, stop
and see that you have adopted some of Vera's teachings, you
have much in common, stop fighting with your nestlings.
And see that you both likely attend phallic capped churches,
the Egyptian obelisks you place on the roofs of your churches
are no different that the penis whoreship in Hinduism and
no different tham the phallic minarettes in Islam. Stop and
see that you and Vera have much in common, please stop
fighting. You people call Adventists cultists because we
desire to try to honor God's 4th Commandment, give your
heads a shake, it is you people that have a hatred of God's
4th Commandment.
snipped
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Donna sez to Daryl:
A goggle search using the words David Matthieu and Sabbath
will bring up numerous posts of David Matthieu. In them, he
supports obedience to the fourth commandment.
I can not recall David ever calling Adventists cultists, either.
So, please furnish us with some documentation that supports your
accusation with an accurate quote from David. Thank you.
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp
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| User: "Daryl S. Kabatoff" |
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19 Feb 2004 11:58:57 AM |
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"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<K1HVb.436362
You > David Matthieu warns us to beware of Vera Six and her cult.
Vera Six has a tremendous hatred for God's 4th Comandment,
but this is not an issue to David Matthieu. Stop David, stop
and see that you have adopted some of Vera's teachings, you
have much in common, stop fighting with your nestlings.
And see that you both likely attend phallic capped churches,
the Egyptian obelisks you place on the roofs of your churches
are no different that the penis whoreship in Hinduism and
no different tham the phallic minarettes in Islam. Stop and
see that you and Vera have much in common, please stop
fighting. You people call Adventists cultists because we
desire to try to honor God's 4th Commandment, give your
heads a shake, it is you people that have a hatred of God's
4th Commandment.
snipped
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Donna sez to Daryl:
A goggle search using the words David Matthieu and Sabbath
will bring up numerous posts of David Matthieu. In them, he
supports obedience to the fourth commandment.
I can not recall David ever calling Adventists cultists, either.
So, please furnish us with some documentation that supports your
accusation with an accurate quote from David. Thank you.
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp
Donna is right, I am wrong. I spoke presumptuously about
David Matthieu and apologize. I saw David Matthieu involved
in a dialogue with Vera Six and never saw him address the
issue of God's Sabbath, yet as Donna points out, David
Matthieu's ministry involves defending God's true Sabbath
day. I am sorry David Matthieu, in speaking in error I have
managed to waste Donna's valuable time, and the time of
readers. I am a bit on edge as a result of the incessant attacks
I face, I need to slow down and recognize there are some
people out there that are indeed defending God's Eternal Moral
Code, David Mathieu being one of them. Thankyou Donna
for bringing this up and doing so in a non-abrasive manner.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
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19 Feb 2004 07:40:12 PM |
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"Daryl S. Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> lurched into the group and
farted the following noxious cloud:
I face, I need to shut the ***** up and recognize there are some
people out there that are indeed defending God's Eternal Moral
Code, David Mathieu being one of them. Thankyou Donna
for bringing this up and doing so in a non-abrasive manner, unlike me, with
my calls for the "death of your children" and my habit of referring to women
as "better dead or in my bed".
-Daryl S. Kabatoff-All-around net-kook and pathological liar.
<<<snipped a lot of psycho crap from Shawn "pedophile-boy" Kabatoff>>>
The following (courtesy of Waxy.org) is sort of an unofficial "FAQ"
explaining the psychotic nonsense posted to Usenet by Shawn Daryl
Kabatoff AKA "Dar", AKA "Probababbilities". And now AKA "marcia and
me".
WARNING: Read below before even thinking about responding to this
twit.
http://www.waxy.org/archive/2002/05/21/dar_kaba.shtml#000643
Usenet has the tendency to provide a public forum for those who would
normally be scribbling in a closet. For example, take Daryl "Shawn"
Kabatoff. For the last few years, he's methodically gathered
"statistics" from various sources, ranging from local newspaper
obituary pages to the food court of the Saskatoon Midtown Plaza mall.
With all the raw data he's collected, he's attempting to prove daily
that our full names are in "mathematical harmony" with our birthdays.
His rants normally focus on a single individual he's met or read
about, starting with calculations related to their birthdate and full
names, blending in whatever other personal information about their
family members, spouses, birthplace, and career he's been able to
glean. From there, it descends into a mix of numerology, religious
zealotry, and personal torment. I've never seen anything like it.
With all the prime numbers, Fibonacci sequences and biblical
references, it's like reading the notebooks of Maximillian Cohen and
John Nash combined. Unsurprisingly, several posts unfold to reveal a
history of painful mental illness. If you have some time, take a look.
I've detailed his posting history and a several sample posts below.
Usenet Posting History:
January 27, 1999 to July 5, 2000 as
December 9, 2000 to May 4, 2001 as
Oct 30, 2001 to Oct 31, 2001 as
January 20, 2002 to April 17, 2002 as (original
posts have been
removed from Google Groups archive)
April 26, 2002 to Present as
Selected Posts:
Tessa Lynne Smith
Dastageer Sakhizai and Helen Smith
Brett David Maki
Andrew Meredith Cotton
Kathryn Lee Hipperson
Amanda Dawn Newton
Mona Marie Etcheverry
Tony Peter Nuspl
Lisa Charlene McMillan
Grant Allyn Wood
Comments
scarier still is that saskatoon is my hometown, though not my current
residence. and every single place he's mentioned in his posts (most
notably nervous harold's and the roastary) were either places i've
been (as it's a small city of 200K) or hangouts, ie. the two places
mentioned. chances are i could email some friends back home and find
out if they know of him, they (my friends that is) being of the
broadway-centred slacker ilk. myself, too, until i got out of there.
eh, anyways. thought it odd to see all this. midtown mall. i ate my
meals there, whilst waiting several days in line for star wars episode
one, at the theatre across the street.
posted by andy raad on May 22, 2002 06:20 PM
Fascinating. It's like he's trying to take chaos and bind it into
whatever rules he can find, religious, logical and otherwise. Numbers
and math have a reliable pattern, something that can always be proven
to true or false. People and religion do not. It reminds me of Darren
Aronofsky's movie Pi. It's the story of an paraniod genius who is
trying to find a pattern in Pi. A group that takes interest in his
work is convinced that the existence of Pi, a number whose existence
can be proven but no quantified, is proof of the existence of God.
Kabatoff's hunt for patterns in something as random as name selection
is a way to reconcile his deeply logical thought process with his
conflicting religious views.
posted by matt on May 23, 2002 11:19 AM
Exactly. I probably shouldn't have, but I e-mailed Daryl yesterday,
asking him if he'd be willing to create a numerological analysis for
me. I also asked him if he had seen either Pi or A Beautiful Mind, and
what he thought of them. If he replies, I'll be sure to post it.
posted by Andy Baio on May 23, 2002 11:24 AM
I baked many pumpkin pies for Shawn (he likes pumpkin pies). I rubbed
pumpkin pie all over my breasts for him, and my breasts turned orange.
I am a pumpkin for Shawn.
posted by Trisha Blondie on July 24, 2002 10:41 PM
Um, that's swell. So, you're in love with him?
posted by Andy Baio on July 25, 2002 07:10 AM
Shawn once went to a funeral for a Jehovah Witness that shot himself
and the lemon tarts were very bad, they were not only sour but were
rubbery as well. Shawn said that the guy was some kind of Jehovah
Witness prophet, he saw in advance that the lemon tarts at his funeral
were to be very very bad, and so he shot himself. Shawn said that he
never ate pumpkin pie at a funeral but would like to some day. Shawn
likes pumpkin pie and so I have been practicing to make very good
pumpkin pies.
posted by Trisha Blondie on July 25, 2002 02:49 PM
Shawn said that the lemon tarts were sour, bitter and rubbery.
posted by Trisha Blondie on July 30, 2002 12:32 AM
I don't think this guy takes notes. I think he has Total Recall, and
it has driven him insane...
posted by Todd Smith on December 26, 2002 11:00 AM
Oh... I almost forgot... I didnt spend thousands of dollars a day
tormenting Daryl... We got a deal on tormenting that fiscal year, it
only came to about 37cents a day....
posted by Dr Claw on December 30, 2002 01:56 AM
Mr. Kabatoff attempts to portray himself as a victim, but in fact he
is a violent predatory pedophile who is well known to his local law
enforcement. In his post to multiple newsgroups with the subject
"Collecting Mail For The Coming Anti-Christ", he encourages mothers to
send him photos of their naked daughters. Mr Kabatoff explains, "I
personally did not want photographs being mailed to (the coming
Ant-Christ) that were of underage children unless the parent was
signing consent." He is banned from virtually all the shopping malls
in his community because he stalks young people and sexually harasses
them. He has an extensive arrest record which includes sexual
molestation charges. He's been hospitalized in mental institutions
several times because he likes to accost "nubile cuties." He writes
about his contact with young girls in many posts. Search newsgroup
archives for posts by him containing the word "nubile". As part of his
harrassment, he provides personal details in a public forum, such as
the real names of real children, in these and other posts. About one
girl he met at a mall, he writes, "I wanted Callie in my bed or I
wanted her and her sister dead."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+dead+or+in+my+bed&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=asqm35%24tjq5j%241%40ID-136124.news.dfncis.de&rnu
He not only curses children and prays for their death in his posts, he
also enjoys attending the funerals of young people: "And so, since
nubile sweeties are found in greatest abundance at the funerals of
high school students, then it is the funerals of high school students
that make the very very best funerals, especially if there is food...
I stuff my face (and my pockets) with all the good food and look at
all the pretty nubile sweeties and have the time of my life..
..http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Daryl+Shawn+Kabatoff+nubile+sex&hl=en&l
r=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=LfXN8.63042%24R53.25142039%40twister.socal.rr.
com&rnum=1
Many of his posts are sent to alt.teens.advice. However, he liberally
spams, floods and crossposts his off-topic threatening and offensive
missives to countless newsgroups. Some people HAVE problems and some
folks ARE problems. Don't dismiss Mr. Kabatoff as a harmless nut. When
he sends these posts to any newgroup, please help by reporting him to
his ISP. Thanks.
posted by nospam on January 5, 2003 04:39 AM
I knew of him when I was attending the University of Saskatchewan.
He'd hang out in the Arts computer lab and all you'd see is screens of
numbers racing by on his laptop. I have an original copy of his
"Collecting Mail for the Coming Anti-Christ" pamphlet, and have seen
him be hauled away by campus security on more than one occasion. My
friends and I refer to him as "Crazy Number Man".
posted by Mr. Somebody on April 10, 2003 11:09 AM
I've been posting to (and about) Shawn for over two years with big
gaps in between. He has seen Pi and didn't like it and didn't think it
resembled him at all. (Wrong, it fits him to a tee) He doesn't have
total recall and has stated that he travels with a lap top to notate
items. Also, he uses "cut n' paste" a lot if you read all the way
through his ramblings. He is anti-social as shown by his angry
statements towards those who, by his own admission, have been kind
(but not kind enough) to him. Still, he's intelligent and seems to be
able to "take a joke" on occassion. That's where I came in.
posted by Gambol on May 19, 2003 02:22
ALOHA
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"Thomas" <isleniceguy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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James Takayama posted libel against me using the name
"nospam", now he frequently quotes this libel using
the name "Thomas." -Daryl S. Kabatoff
HALOHA
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See Hebrews 4, here is New Testament Scripture
in chapter 4 telling us to remember to honor God's 4th
Commandment. The pre-incarnate Jesus created
heaven and earth and provided us with the Ten
Commandments. Then He came to earth in human form
and abided by His Ten Commandments. Then He was
crucified on the 6th day of the week, RESTED in the
tomb on the 7th day of the week, then rose on the first
day of the week to resume His ministry (His WORK).
He rose on a Sunday to resume His work while the
filthy churches teach you that His rising on a Sunday
changes His day of rest to Sunday.
Let us strive to enter that rest and honor what God
desires that we honor rather than continue to strive
to hold onto the things that our are important to
our friends, family and ourselves. -Daryl S. Kabatoff
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"Daryl S. Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:BP6Zb.563672$X%5.484892@pd7tw2no...
"Donna Kupp" <dkupp@harborside.com> wrote in message
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"Acevedo-Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<K1HVb.436362
You > David Matthieu warns us to beware of Vera Six and her cult.
Vera Six has a tremendous hatred for God's 4th Comandment,
but this is not an issue to David Matthieu. Stop David, stop
and see that you have adopted some of Vera's teachings, you
have much in common, stop fighting with your nestlings.
And see that you both likely attend phallic capped churches,
the Egyptian obelisks you place on the roofs of your churches
are no different that the penis whoreship in Hinduism and
no different tham the phallic minarettes in Islam. Stop and
see that you and Vera have much in common, please stop
fighting. You people call Adventists cultists because we
desire to try to honor God's 4th Commandment, give your
heads a shake, it is you people that have a hatred of God's
4th Commandment.
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-Daryl S. Kabatoff
Donna sez to Daryl:
A goggle search using the words David Matthieu and Sabbath
will bring up numerous posts of David Matthieu. In them, he
supports obedience to the fourth commandment.
I can not recall David ever calling Adventists cultists, either.
So, please furnish us with some documentation that supports your
accusation with an accurate quote from David. Thank you.
Donna Kupp
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)
The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp
Donna is right, I am wrong. I spoke presumptuously about
David Matthieu and apologize. I saw David Matthieu involved
in a dialogue with Vera Six and never saw him address the
issue of God's Sabbath, yet as Donna points out, David
Matthieu's ministry involves defending God's true Sabbath
day. I am sorry David Matthieu, in speaking in error I have
managed to waste Donna's valuable time, and the time of
readers. I am a bit on edge as a result of the incessant attacks
I face, I need to slow down and recognize there are some
people out there that are indeed defending God's Eternal Moral
Code, David Mathieu being one of them. Thankyou Donna
for bringing this up and doing so in a non-abrasive manner.
-Daryl S. Kabatoff
I see I managed to respond to Donna 154 minutes after
her posting, suitable as there are 154 verses in Lamentations
while I am lamenting. -Daryl
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19 Feb 2004 07:35:35 PM |
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"Daryl S. Kabatoff" <darylsk@shaw.ca> stumbled into the group, dropped
his pants and left the following steaming pile:
I see I managed to respond to Donna 154 minutes after
her posting, suitable as there are 154 verses in Lamentations
while I am lamenting. -Daryl-impotent fool
Of course you loudmouth scumbag, besides molesting young girls you
have nothing better to do than spam Usenet with your psycho crapink,
you being unemployed, useless, petty, bitter, and between your silly,
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